IRC log of openacs on 2002-05-14

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00:07:38 [talli]
talli is now known as barstool
00:14:56 [shagster]
Okay, how many hits do you think a p133 w/48MB of memory could server, while running 5 others sites, a mail server and and IRC server? :)
00:19:35 [cro]
Are any of them oacs sites and is the databsae on the same box?
00:23:54 [markd2]
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00:24:37 [markd2]
paje, spank barstool
00:27:15 [paje]
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00:27:15 [rbm]
say hi to paje
00:27:24 [markd2]
hi paje!
00:27:28 [markd2]
paje, again!
00:27:28 [paje]
* paje spanks talli
00:27:31 [markd2]
woot!
00:27:35 [til]
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cro has quit ("Time to go home...")
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00:29:41 [rbm]
anyone seen "clockstoppers"?
00:31:08 [uglybarstool]
paje, you bastard~
00:31:08 [paje]
uglybarstool: excuse me?
00:31:13 [uglybarstool]
uglybarstool is now known as talli
00:31:44 [talli]
the tilde is the ultimate offensive punctuation
00:32:05 [rbm]
tilde?
00:32:05 [paje]
tilde is, like, the ultimate offensive punctuation
00:38:04 [talli]
the twiddle
00:38:55 [Psychephylax]
hey
00:39:01 [Psychephylax]
paje seen rbm
00:39:01 [paje]
rbm was last seen on #openacs 6 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: tilde? [Mon May 13 18:33:02 2002]
00:41:17 [markd2]
totally random question
00:41:18 [markd2]
when you introduce someone to the command line / shell for the first time, what kind of examples do you use?
00:41:27 [Psychephylax]
umm
00:41:38 [Psychephylax]
Well, I prefer to take out the fattest book on shells I can find...
00:41:40 [talli]
cd /home/talli/pr0n
00:41:45 [Psychephylax]
Then I introduce that to their head
00:41:48 [markd2]
xv *.jpg
00:41:58 [Psychephylax]
you freaks
00:42:00 [markd2]
and hope you have a gig of RAM to hold all the images in memory
00:42:01 [Psychephylax]
Where's Roberto?
00:42:07 [markd2]
paje murdered him
00:42:07 [paje]
markd2: sorry...
00:42:14 [Psychephylax]
hahahaha
00:42:17 [Psychephylax]
bad paje!
00:42:32 [Psychephylax]
Anyone else find that?
00:42:34 [Psychephylax]
ack
00:42:38 [Psychephylax]
anyone else find that funny?
00:44:54 [lethedrinker]
yup
00:45:14 [Psychephylax]
:)
00:48:11 [talli]
christ almighty!!!!
00:48:41 [talli]
where the hell do i put apps in order for users other than root to access them???
00:48:42 [markd2]
* markd2 looks for the lightning bolt
00:48:59 [markd2]
/usr/local/bin ?
00:48:59 [paje]
hmmm... /usr/local/bin is the better place...
00:49:07 [talli]
that's what i thought!
00:49:09 [talli]
no go
00:49:27 [talli]
ln -s /usr/local/Acrobat4/bin/acroread /user/local/bin
00:49:29 [markd2]
are you wanting to put apps there as a normal user?
00:49:33 [talli]
that seems right, doesn't it?
00:49:38 [talli]
no, i'm root
00:49:41 [markd2]
uh, you have 'user' on the second path
00:49:47 [talli]
ah, ok
00:49:53 [talli]
whoops
00:49:56 [talli]
i meant
00:50:02 [talli]
ln -s /usr/local/Acrobat4/bin/acroread /usr/local/bin
00:50:09 [markd2]
that should work
00:50:11 [markd2]
what's happening when you try to run it?
00:50:31 [Psychephylax]
I use /usr/local/bin is the best
00:50:45 [talli]
final-friggin-ly
00:51:00 [markd2]
hot diggity damn
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talli has quit (Remote closed the connection)
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01:25:56 [talli]
pake, seen cro?
01:26:00 [talli]
paje, seen cro?
01:26:01 [paje]
cro was last seen on #openacs 70 days, 2 hours, 19 minutes and 17 seconds ago, saying: so I can't check directly, sorry. [Mon Mar 4 16:07:41 2002]
01:26:06 [talli]
wrong...
01:29:47 [markd2]
heh
01:30:00 [markd2]
paje was in therapy and missed cro's previous visit
01:30:00 [paje]
markd2: excuse me?
01:30:06 [markd2]
you're excused
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01:35:29 [lethedrinker]
ugh... no a/c at work.. stifling heat...
01:37:44 [vinod]
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01:39:10 [talli]
oh, so vinod has decided to appear
01:39:57 [vinod]
shoot... didn't think talli would be here
01:40:02 [talli]
vinod: when do you arrive in NYC? i want to make sure i have my gas mask by then...
01:40:35 [vinod]
june 1st, but i was there off and on last week
01:42:33 [vinod]
i finally found a place, so now i gotta start doing all the annoying moving tasks
01:42:35 [talli]
ugh. i thought there was something in the air..
01:42:42 [talli]
where's the place?
01:43:14 [vinod]
:-) in gramercy - 22nd and lex
01:43:20 [talli]
nice
01:43:29 [talli]
hoitie toitie, too
01:43:31 [vinod]
yeah - it's right on the 6 line
01:43:34 [vinod]
heh
01:43:42 [talli]
are you going to get a little dog and walk around in fur coats?
01:43:42 [vinod]
i insisted that i live near julia roberts
01:43:57 [talli]
wait... that's my fantasy. HANDS OFF!
01:44:02 [talli]
haha
01:44:42 [vinod]
there's a restaurant right on the corner called Rolf's
01:45:03 [talli]
do they have gitdown energy drink?
01:45:18 [vinod]
heh - i didn't have the guts to go inside :-)
01:45:21 [talli]
or at least pizza? and FreeBSD?
01:45:42 [talli]
that's good. your guts probably wouldn't have stayed inside for very long otherwise.
01:45:48 [vinod]
haha
01:47:34 [rzolf]
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01:47:40 [rzolf]
my markov chainbot
01:47:45 [rzolf]
alterted me
01:47:47 [rzolf]
to a disturbance
01:47:50 [rzolf]
in this channel.
01:48:10 [rzolf]
but it looks like everything is ok.
01:48:11 [rzolf]
rzolf has left #openacs
01:48:16 [vinod]
haha
01:51:10 [talli]
whoa
01:52:06 [vinod]
the force is strong in that one
01:55:27 [denshi]
vinod!
01:55:37 [markd2]
yuck
01:55:40 [markd2]
vinod factorial
01:56:58 [vinod]
fortunately vinod is equivalent to zero
01:57:02 [denshi]
not exactly
01:57:14 [markd2]
guess it's not as bad as a vinod pictorial
01:57:22 [vinod]
haha
01:57:28 [denshi]
vinod! evaluates to a complex number
01:57:49 [denshi]
with an unusual number of sixes in it
01:58:08 [denshi]
vinod, what's the hurt on your new place?
01:58:17 [denshi]
paje, botsmack
01:58:18 [paje]
* paje slumps into a purple haze
01:58:20 [vinod]
more than i want to admit
01:59:21 [vinod]
* vinod looks to make money on the side selling drugs
02:00:18 [denshi]
wouldn't "Rolf's" down the street have that market covered?
02:01:00 [rzolf]
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02:01:01 [vinod]
heh - good point
02:01:04 [rzolf]
hi.
02:01:09 [denshi]
howdy
02:01:21 [rzolf]
i know I have a checkered past
02:01:36 [vinod]
i have checkered pants too!
02:01:40 [rzolf]
but, i had no idea what those groups i was funding were doing with the money.
02:01:51 [vinod]
lol
02:01:59 [markd2]
maybe that explains BIlly Idol...
02:02:06 [rzolf]
i blame my accountants.
02:02:22 [rzolf]
who all fled to the carribean.
02:03:24 [talli]
vinod: can i reference the log during your trial for running a prescription drug ring?
02:03:39 [markd2]
Vinod, placebo pusher
02:03:50 [vinod]
sure, if i can reference all your comments when you run for office :-)
02:03:52 [rzolf]
in any case. i need to get back to enjoying this biggie sized meal.
02:04:02 [talli]
BLACKMAIL!
02:04:02 [rzolf]
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02:04:23 [talli]
make you a deal...
02:04:51 [talli]
i'll keep quiet on the log if you siphone all the supermodels hooked on diet pills to me
02:04:52 [vinod]
* vinod doesn't need another brooklyn bridge
02:05:06 [talli]
there's only one, baby...
02:05:25 [vinod]
yeah, i know - i bought it from you last year
02:05:26 [talli]
just like this piece of sun-drenched beach front in arizona i've got for you...
02:06:24 [vinod]
so - the stalking business is slow now?
02:08:32 [talli]
yeah. they've taken to posting the court orders on the lamp posts around town.
02:08:38 [talli]
there's no where to hide anymore
02:09:01 [shagster]
Hey, at least I just have to stay out of the post office!
02:09:45 [vinod]
damn government keeping us down
02:10:06 [shagster]
Ummm..yea..that is the ticket!
02:10:19 [talli]
see... i was joking.
02:10:23 [talli]
with shagster, i'm just not sure...
02:10:27 [vinod]
haha
02:10:42 [shagster]
Oh..thanks! :P
02:10:46 [talli]
i mean, there are a lot of balls in Ohio
02:10:58 [shagster]
Less than before, hehe
02:11:12 [shagster]
[to talli]: So what you need on the calendar project?
02:11:15 [vinod]
haha
02:13:38 [talli]
shagster: we're still working everything out
02:13:45 [talli]
right now, we're putting together the specs
02:14:11 [talli]
we're going to "merge" with the libical project: http://www.softwarestudio.org/libical
02:14:54 [talli]
as the non-techie, i must admit i don't know what the hell we need right now
02:17:29 [lethedrinker]
rzolf haha
02:17:38 [lethedrinker]
* lethedrinker waits for a bot appearance
02:17:49 [lethedrinker]
* lethedrinker waits for godot
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* lethedrinker is stunned by godot's appearance
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02:31:29 [markd2]
* markd2 is stunned by talli's phaser
02:31:46 [talli]
i have a phaser?
02:32:00 [talli]
i thought it was just a vibrato - i mean... i have a phaser!
02:32:41 [talli]
must go watch basketball
02:32:50 [talli]
talli is now known as uglybballwatcher
02:33:42 [denshi]
hello davb-- everyone is taking stock of their armaments
02:33:49 [davb]
sounds scary
02:47:34 [uglybballwatcher]
how does one change their localhost information?
02:47:42 [uglybballwatcher]
is it in /etc/hosts?
02:49:52 [uglybballwatcher]
* uglybballwatcher damns everyone to hell
02:54:48 [denshi]
give me the problem again
02:55:35 [uglybballwatcher]
how do i change the localhost of my box?
02:56:03 [uglybballwatcher]
i guess it's not in /etc/hosts... so where is it?
02:57:16 [davb]
redhat?
02:57:28 [davb]
linuxconf or something like that
02:57:56 [uglybballwatcher]
ah, ok
02:58:01 [davb]
and i think it is in /etc/hssts
02:58:52 [denshi]
no, /etc/hosts is for name lookups
02:59:05 [uglybballwatcher]
got it, thanks
02:59:29 [uglybballwatcher]
brb
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03:00:39 [talli]
appreciate the help, fellas
03:01:38 [denshi]
yes!
03:01:46 [denshi]
I've found a thread-safe scheme!
03:05:10 [davb]
woohoo!
03:09:08 [vinod]
hey davb!
03:09:17 [davb]
hi vinod
03:10:06 [Psychephylax]
hehehehe
03:10:07 [Psychephylax]
Sup
03:10:13 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax pinches dave
03:10:19 [vinod]
hi Psychephylax
03:10:23 [Psychephylax]
Sup V
03:10:32 [denshi]
vinod, docsnack
03:10:38 [Psychephylax]
Check out my galleries: http://www.pbase.com/psychephylax
03:10:59 [vinod]
denshi: thanks!
03:12:40 [davb]
hiya Psychephylax
03:13:32 [davb]
Psychephylax: i was looking at the olympus e-10 today. that is a nice camera.
03:13:43 [Psychephylax]
the E10?
03:13:45 [Psychephylax]
yeah it is
03:13:49 [Psychephylax]
Too expensive though :)
03:14:01 [Psychephylax]
I was scouring dpreview.com Olympus forums
03:14:05 [Psychephylax]
the non-SLR one
03:14:15 [Psychephylax]
and I think about 80% own the 2100UZ
03:14:47 [markd2]
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03:15:16 [Psychephylax]
I couldn't resist
03:15:29 [Psychephylax]
I bought it from a guy who works in a camera store
03:15:33 [talli]
Psychephylax: what camera do you use for underwater photog?
03:15:45 [Psychephylax]
The one the scuba place supplied :-D
03:16:06 [talli]
ah, i see
03:16:08 [Psychephylax]
Although it is possible to get a casing for the 2100UZ
03:16:17 [davb]
Canon makes a great little underwater camera that is really inexpensive.
03:16:45 [davb]
it is clostly related to my water-resistant model. film-based point and shoot they are.
03:16:48 [Psychephylax]
So since the guy sold me the camera and gave me a receipt from the store....I get a year's warranty :)
03:17:48 [davb]
Psychephylax: that is cool. its a nice camera, but huge
03:18:04 [Psychephylax]
No way
03:18:10 [davb]
the 2100?
03:18:14 [Psychephylax]
it's a little bigger than my 2040Z
03:18:18 [davb]
its long anyway.
03:20:09 [Psychephylax]
yeah
03:20:17 [Psychephylax]
jsut wait until you add the attachments :-D
03:20:25 [Psychephylax]
i'm very pleased though
03:22:12 [Psychephylax]
he sold me: Oly 2100UZ (500$), B-300 1.7 Tele (~200$ if you can find one), WCON-08 Wide Angle (~125$), 2x 128MB SmartMedia, 1x 64MB SmartMedia, 3 sets of AA Rechargable, 2 UV Filters, 1 Polarized Filter, 1 Cross Screen filter
03:22:20 [Psychephylax]
For 750$
03:23:14 [davb]
wow
03:23:18 [davb]
i want one!
03:24:50 [Psychephylax]
LOL
03:24:54 [Psychephylax]
You better hurry
03:25:00 [Psychephylax]
They're discontinued
03:25:38 [Psychephylax]
And the general consencus on this is that they are one of the best Olympus cameras on the market available to the consumer without having to take out a 2nd mortage on the house
03:26:01 [denshi]
bbiaw
03:26:18 [Psychephylax]
bye denshi
03:26:35 [davb]
cool.
03:27:13 [davb]
none of the ones I am seeing have that monster zoom.
03:27:18 [davb]
the e10 is only $1299
03:27:53 [davb]
:)
03:27:58 [Psychephylax]
Exactly
03:28:15 [Psychephylax]
I had a long talk with the guy from the store
03:28:31 [Psychephylax]
He was telling me they made the 2100UZ in the same facilities they made the E series cameras
03:28:37 [davb]
neat.
03:28:41 [Psychephylax]
Which makes sense as to why they are such high quality cams
03:28:43 [davb]
that is 10x optical zoom?
03:28:49 [Psychephylax]
indeed
03:29:11 [davb]
wow. the C720 is the closest now, 8x
03:29:28 [Psychephylax]
Yeah and no Image Stabilization :)
03:29:29 [Psychephylax]
btw...
03:29:39 [Psychephylax]
Let me e-mail you a 10x zoom shot
03:29:47 [davb]
ah, interesting, the 2100 is still on the olympus page.
03:29:49 [davb]
cool
03:30:27 [Psychephylax]
dave@thedesignexperience.org?
03:31:16 [davb]
yep
03:32:38 [Psychephylax]
sent
03:33:58 [davb]
that is one ugly case :)
03:34:02 [Psychephylax]
lol
03:34:19 [davb]
pertty impressive photo.
03:36:17 [davb]
time to go.
03:36:22 [Psychephylax]
yea
03:36:23 [Psychephylax]
laters
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03:50:51 [rbm]
ooom
03:52:14 [rbm]
what's up?
03:52:41 [talli]
you missed it.
03:52:46 [rbm]
* rbm got tickets for SWE2 for the 16th
03:52:51 [talli]
markd2 had a *major* blow out
03:52:58 [talli]
he went totally nuts on denshi.
03:53:02 [rbm]
oh
03:53:10 [talli]
no one knows why, but he just totally started yelling at him
03:53:23 [rbm]
hmm, I gotta check the logs then
03:53:23 [talli]
calling him insane for liking scheme so much
03:53:28 [talli]
totally ripped him a new one
03:53:35 [talli]
like, i never knew it was in markd2
03:53:40 [rbm]
where's this channel logged to again?
03:53:43 [talli]
but i guess he *really* doesn't like scheme
03:54:34 [talli]
he said things like, "if scheme is so good, how come only trolls and toads can remember how to iterate in it?"
03:54:52 [talli]
he was going totally crazy
03:55:03 [talli]
then all of a sudden, he disappeared
03:55:14 [talli]
and his wife logged in and apologized for everything he siad
03:55:38 [talli]
it was a total paje, he's doing it again moment
03:55:55 [talli]
just ask paje
03:56:44 [talli]
paje, am i telling the truth?
03:56:44 [paje]
wish i knew, talli
03:56:48 [talli]
attaboy
03:58:47 [lethedrinker]
on scheme and lisp lists, there is alot of flaming...
03:58:58 [lethedrinker]
lots of warped personalities... from what i understand
03:59:03 [rbm]
I'm glad I got my Shakira CD in Brazil. I'd be totally mad if it ruined my cd-rom or computer
04:02:29 [talli]
that stuff can't really ruin comptuers, can it?
04:02:35 [talli]
does it infect the computer with a virus?
04:02:46 [talli]
or is the music jsut that bad?
04:05:54 [rbm]
The new Celine Dion CD actually damages iMacs. It foobars the firmware so the machine won't even reboot
04:06:06 [rbm]
(as reported on /. and macuser.com)
04:06:50 [rbm]
I also got Creed's Weathered in Brazil, so I didn't suffer from the corrupt CDs they're selling here in the U.S.
04:09:39 [rbm]
brb
04:10:27 [talli]
christ
04:10:33 [talli]
can't someone sue them for that?
04:10:42 [talli]
willful damage or something?
04:13:49 [rbm]
I don't know. If I had my computer damaged, I sure would get furious
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04:55:22 [denshi]
boo!
05:25:30 [uglybarstool]
hey
05:25:45 [uglybarstool]
did you see Cosmoe, the new AtheOS/Linux combo?
05:25:51 [uglybarstool]
the hacker that is developing it has 3 kids
05:25:59 [uglybarstool]
WTF is he doing hacking an OS together?
05:26:14 [uglybarstool]
maybe his kids are really really annoying?
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[GlobalNotice] Hi all. Just a reminder that user mode +w displays WALLOPS, containing contain non-critical comments and announcements and detailed server admin information. On most clients, "/mode <yournick> +w" will turn them on. We just experienced an intermittent fault with one of the new main hubs. The other hub picked up the load. Thanks for your patience.
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12:39:17 [Psychephylax]
daaamn
12:46:26 [davb]
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12:46:42 [davb]
hi there
12:48:09 [Psychephylax]
hi dave
12:48:18 [Psychephylax]
I just looked up some of the filters
12:48:25 [Psychephylax]
They're like 20-40$ a piece
12:48:37 [Psychephylax]
So, I got 4 filters...that's another 120$ or so
12:48:58 [Psychephylax]
When I got to work I went to harras mother goose over here
12:49:12 [Psychephylax]
The little ones were running around so I wanted to take a picture or two
12:49:34 [Psychephylax]
and she kept hissing at me hehehe
12:49:40 [davb]
heh
12:50:00 [davb]
My brother in law got attacked by a goose, it was pretty funny
12:50:13 [davb]
Psychephylax: that is what the 10x zoom is for :)
12:50:21 [Psychephylax]
Exactly
12:50:35 [Psychephylax]
I just wanted to try the zoom :)
12:50:36 [davb]
Psychephylax: you don't know any Windows XP to Windows 2000 connectivity issues do youi?
12:50:49 [Psychephylax]
connectivity issues to what?
12:52:53 [davb]
it takes say 30 seconds to save a one page word file to the 2000 server.
12:53:04 [davb]
from win98 it is practically instantaneous
12:53:26 [Psychephylax]
So you're saving from Win2K to Win2K?
12:53:34 [davb]
XP to win2k
12:53:40 [Psychephylax]
hmm
12:53:42 [Psychephylax]
well...
12:53:50 [Psychephylax]
It has probably something to do with security
12:54:01 [Psychephylax]
XP uses NT kernel so it does all that fancy authentication
12:54:08 [Psychephylax]
where as Win98 will just blindly write
12:56:41 [davb]
yeah, that is what I thought. thanks :)
12:57:30 [Psychephylax]
no problem
12:57:35 [Psychephylax]
Have you seen Roberto?
12:58:26 [davb]
he was on the logs last night, but I did not chat with him
12:58:36 [Psychephylax]
ah
13:01:44 [Psychephylax]
damn
13:01:57 [Psychephylax]
Just got the camera and I'm already e-mailing Olympus for _modifications_
13:01:58 [Psychephylax]
lol
13:04:52 [davb]
you want to mod you camera?
13:06:15 [Psychephylax]
well...sorta
13:06:17 [Psychephylax]
See
13:06:50 [Psychephylax]
The 2040 and all newer cameras made by them have "USB Auto-Connect" which practically allows the camera to "emulate" a removable storage drive
13:07:00 [Psychephylax]
The 2100 doesn't have that feature
13:07:22 [Psychephylax]
so I e-mailed Oly to see if they can "add" it for a fee of sorts
13:08:58 [davb]
interesting
13:09:08 [davb]
yeah, the 2500 has that. but only 3x zoom
13:09:20 [davb]
I want a camera that can take the ibm microdrive
13:09:26 [davb]
i think its up to 1 gig
13:09:37 [Psychephylax]
yeah
13:09:40 [Psychephylax]
but dave
13:09:44 [davb]
although 2 512mb cards probably costs the same
13:09:47 [Psychephylax]
Smart Media works fune
13:09:49 [Psychephylax]
fine rather
13:09:53 [davb]
it just sounds cool :)
13:09:56 [Psychephylax]
heh
13:10:09 [Psychephylax]
seriously though...
13:10:22 [Psychephylax]
If you're considering an Olympus I recommend the 2100UZ
13:10:26 [davb]
the sony that takes the little cdrs is neat too.
13:10:28 [Psychephylax]
I might buy a 2nd one :)
13:10:40 [davb]
I think i want a more compact model :)
13:10:45 [Psychephylax]
heh
13:11:05 [Psychephylax]
You don't plan on adding things like lenses and filters?
13:11:26 [Psychephylax]
another place also said they're discontinued
13:12:18 [davb]
maybe, you can add them to the little ones too.
13:12:20 [Psychephylax]
Alas...I'm also looking for a compact digicam to "always" have with me
13:12:21 [davb]
well some of them anyway.
13:12:25 [Psychephylax]
yeah you can
13:12:30 [Psychephylax]
you need a CLA-1 adapter
13:12:30 [davb]
whats wrong with the 2040?
13:12:40 [Psychephylax]
i'ts big :)
13:13:04 [davb]
get the c40 its 4 megapixel and small.
13:14:21 [Psychephylax]
yeah I was looking into that
13:15:05 [Psychephylax]
It's nice to carry something that you can just slip in your pocket and not have to worry about carrying all the other stuff...smart media cards, batteries, lenses, filters, etc...
13:17:14 [davb]
yeah. i have a D400 with is small, only 1.3 mp
13:29:25 [Psychephylax]
WHen you upgrade I'll buy it from you :-D
13:30:17 [davb]
nah, I am giving it to my kids.
13:30:55 [davb]
argh! too many cool things I don't have time to work on!!
13:37:08 [Psychephylax]
lol
13:37:56 [Psychephylax]
It pays to be resourceful
13:38:02 [Psychephylax]
my cell phone just ran out of juice
13:38:11 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax whips out his travel charger
13:40:34 [Psychephylax]
you think Roberto will mind getting my free 900Mhz Duron instead of a 1.2 or 1.3Ghz Duron?
13:43:33 [davb]
not at all.
13:44:41 [Psychephylax]
ok
13:44:49 [Psychephylax]
I should have memory for him shortly too
13:44:54 [Psychephylax]
I sent out the Money Order
13:45:16 [davb]
that is really cool.
13:47:46 [Psychephylax]
What is?
13:48:01 [davb]
helping out rbm
13:48:04 [Psychephylax]
oh
13:48:12 [Psychephylax]
well, hey...talli got him to Boston :)
13:48:27 [Psychephylax]
least I can do is hook up Rbm with a computer
14:16:36 [rbm]
* rbm wakes up
14:17:17 [rbm]
Wow, cool!
14:21:37 [davb]
our access database is apparently inhabited by gremlins
14:21:56 [davb]
that is my official technical diasnosis for all the problems we are having
14:24:18 [rbm]
(:
14:25:06 [davb]
rbm: are you :)s backwards because you are from the southen hemisphere?
14:26:51 [davb]
:)
14:28:38 [davb]
hmmm
14:29:59 [davb]
I guess my geopgrahpy based joke didn't work
14:35:13 [Psychephylax]
ROFL
14:35:17 [Psychephylax]
Nice one dave
14:35:28 [Psychephylax]
Roberto..you awake?
14:36:14 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax goes back to the lab in search of racking screws
14:39:21 [rbm]
davb: hehe. I just do it once in a while to be different
14:45:13 [davb]
ok back to work
15:03:13 [Psychephylax]
Roberto: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3280025~root=forsale~mode=flat
15:03:22 [Psychephylax]
See if you want any motherboards from there...
15:03:38 [Psychephylax]
in terms of features + compatibility with Linux
15:05:26 [davb]
http://www.acm.org/ubiquity/views/j_rubenfeld_1.html
15:05:27 [oacs-chump]
A: http://www.acm.org/ubiquity/views/j_rubenfeld_1.html from davb
15:05:42 [davb]
A:|Knowledge Management for Life: Make the World a Better Place
15:05:42 [oacs-chump]
titled item A
15:05:50 [davb]
A: from Ubiquity
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added comment A1
15:06:25 [rbm]
Psychephylax: There's only one motherboard for sale there
15:07:17 [rbm]
Oh, nevermind
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Psychephylax: I don't know these motherboard. Abit's are usually pretty compatible
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15:46:36 [davb]
hi talli
15:46:48 [talli]
hey davb
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* rbm heads to campus
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17:53:46 [Psychephylax]
Oh yeah
17:53:53 [Psychephylax]
they didn't skimp on the hot peppers this time around
17:54:06 [davb]
Psychephylax: olympus d520 is 284 at amazon.com
17:54:13 [Psychephylax]
Shaweet
17:54:15 [Psychephylax]
btw
17:57:56 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax goes back to work
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19:33:28 [davb]
slow day...
19:36:50 [denshi]
indeed
19:39:26 [davb]
hi denshi.
19:39:41 [denshi]
hey davb
19:39:59 [denshi]
davb, I have determined that it is a good thing to be a designer
19:40:11 [davb]
as in, graphic designer?
19:40:14 [denshi]
you must show us the way
19:40:56 [davb]
heh
19:41:06 [davb]
talk to lars, he is better than me, at least for interface design.
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19:45:11 [davb]
denshi, btw, how did you learn this? :)
19:45:38 [denshi]
by virtue of having no motivation to redo my personal site
19:45:47 [denshi]
I'd rather code than write templates
19:47:43 [davb]
that is why I want to build a system to change the look by changing CSS stylesheets in one place.
19:47:59 [davb]
but we have to write all the package templates to work nicely together.
19:48:06 [davb]
it's on my list :)
19:51:47 [denshi]
what else is on that list?
19:52:28 [davb]
hmmmm.... etp 2, tclsoap (fix package require in aolserver), make money, learn CS...
20:27:58 [rbm]
ooom
20:28:57 [davb]
hi rbm
20:28:59 [davb]
time to go
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20:29:01 [rbm]
hey dav
20:29:06 [rbm]
too late :)
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20:35:16 [djg]
cvs expert around?
20:35:36 [denshi]
yup
20:35:46 [denshi]
porque?
20:36:16 [djg]
hmm, i'm trying to figure how to set a umask on the server...client connects wth :ext:
20:36:20 [djg]
damn doesnt work
20:36:41 [djg]
and the manual hints at that it doesnt work
20:38:20 [denshi]
set a umask that the server imposes on the client?
20:39:06 [djg]
nope, new repository's files should be created with a umask that i set in .profile or whereever
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20:48:59 [denshi]
I don't think umasks in your $ENV are preserved by cvs.
20:49:06 [djg]
yup looks like that
20:49:15 [djg]
http://www.cvshome.org/docs/manual/cvs_2.html#IDX21 kinda says that
20:49:16 [oacs-chump]
B: http://www.cvshome.org/docs/manual/cvs_2.html#IDX21 from djg
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21:08:09 [rbm]
* rbm reads about JavaScript in PDF forms
21:15:12 [rbm]
errr
21:16:14 [denshi]
* denshi thinks rbm has discovered hallucinogens
21:16:22 [rbm]
:)
21:16:26 [denshi]
rbm, codersmack.
21:28:56 [rbm]
what's a codersmack?
21:28:59 [rbm]
paje: codersmack?
21:29:00 [paje]
rbm: wish i knew
21:29:08 [rbm]
paje: botsnack?
21:29:08 [paje]
thanks rbm :)
21:29:21 [rbm]
paje: botsmack?
21:29:22 [paje]
* paje slumps into a purple haze
21:30:49 [denshi]
anyone else host on hub.org?
21:35:14 [cro]
Denshi: one of my co-workers was looking into it but I don't know if his account is setup yet.
21:37:12 [denshi]
the load average on hub.org is obscene
21:37:35 [denshi]
9:37PM up 3 days, 17:25, 1 user, load averages: 93.63, 58.18, 53.10
21:37:40 [talli]
denshi: we do
21:37:51 [denshi]
do you see better numbers, talli?
21:38:03 [cro]
Could that be an artifact of their "virtual machine" setup?
21:44:20 [rbm]
They set me up an experimental virtual machine there
21:44:36 [rbm]
but I haven't logged in
21:46:13 [talli]
we've had some issues with them in terms of responsiveness
21:51:53 [rbm]
talli: what kinds of issues?
21:52:05 [talli]
like, they were down for a while
21:52:16 [talli]
i'm not entirely sure since i didn't deal with it
21:53:28 [talli]
they've been good, but not amazing
21:53:34 [talli]
i think we've still got an eye on them
21:55:15 [rbm]
Their virtual machine setup sounds really cool, but I've been getting scared by these negative reports
21:55:30 [rbm]
I think it was denshi that said that they might have only one big box
21:55:40 [talli]
ugh
21:55:44 [talli]
one big box, huh?
21:55:52 [talli]
well, open-msg has spoken well of them
21:55:53 [denshi]
maybe they just have one big box for the low bandwidth peons like myself.
21:55:59 [rbm]
I don't know if that's really true though
21:56:51 [denshi]
i think maybe the load average is an artifact of the VM setup. I've seen it spike at over 150, and I don't understand how a system can possibly recover from that. usually a 20 will crash many boxes.
21:57:10 [denshi]
I just kicked nsd over and I started getting reasonable response times again.
21:58:38 [talli]
what units are those load averages in?
21:58:45 [talli]
* talli asks another uniniformed question...
22:06:04 [denshi]
oh shit
22:06:09 [denshi]
no one actually knows
22:11:37 [denshi]
load average is the average number of jobs in the run queue
22:11:42 [Psychephylax]
moo?
22:11:42 [paje]
moo Psychephylax, glad to see you back!
22:12:41 [denshi]
so in theory, a load average of 1.00 is perfect utilization: the processor is finishing tasks as soon as they hop on the queue.
22:13:30 [rbm]
gauche?
22:13:47 [denshi]
a load average of < 1 means the system is lightly loaded; > 1 means there are a bunch of tasks, and that is most typically from the OS swapping like a mofo
22:13:59 [rbm]
U2's latest album is just great
22:14:25 [denshi]
in my experience, on x86 a load average of 20 means that the system will finish swapping when the earth crashes into the sun
22:14:49 [rbm]
heheh
22:15:16 [denshi]
does U2 have a more recent disc than their 2000 disc?
22:16:09 [denshi]
gauche is a multibyte-native scheme interpreter. the creator works at square.
22:16:36 [rbm]
denshi: No
22:17:10 [denshi]
have you listened to "Godspeed You Black Emperor"?
22:17:14 [rbm]
U2 is one of very few bands that I would fork the $50 to go watch their show
22:17:31 [rbm]
denshi: I'm afraid not. Is that the band/singer's name
22:17:34 [rbm]
s/$/?/
22:18:08 [denshi]
band's name. they're.. um... postapocalyptic trance rock?
22:18:32 [rbm]
never heard of trance rock
22:18:42 [rbm]
I used to really like Iron Maiden and Metallica.
22:19:00 [rbm]
I think I still like them, but I haven't heard to them in a long time
22:19:32 [denshi]
the best description I've heard is: "listening to GYBE is like being trapped in a monsterous machine with a minister, and the machine is bleeding to death"
22:20:23 [Psychephylax]
Hey roberto
22:20:29 [rbm]
hey psyche
22:20:34 [Psychephylax]
We're buying stuff
22:20:41 [Psychephylax]
a little bit for you...a little bit for me... :)
22:20:45 [Psychephylax]
I got you Ram
22:21:01 [Psychephylax]
and a processor...You'll have to settle for a free Duron 900 ;)
22:21:27 [rbm]
Psychephylax: free is always the best
22:21:28 [Psychephylax]
Mostly because I spent quiet a bit of money yesterday on new toys
22:21:34 [denshi]
hey psyche, how do I hop on this train?
22:21:42 [Psychephylax]
You have to be broke
22:22:16 [rbm]
* rbm had to pay $1000 for 0 classes today
22:22:16 [denshi]
I'm working on it.
22:22:21 [denshi]
sounds like you are too.
22:26:01 [talli]
* talli adopts a new personal slogan
22:26:05 [talli]
When you know you're a mechanical anus, you've ''got it.''
22:26:16 [rbm]
* rbm wonders what happened to his vnc
22:26:46 [rbm]
it just hangs after "Authentication succeeded"
22:27:11 [talli]
http://www.rickross.com/reference/est/estpt8.html
22:27:12 [oacs-chump]
C: http://www.rickross.com/reference/est/estpt8.html from talli
22:27:33 [talli]
C: ''We're Gonna Tear You Down and Put You Back Together"
22:27:33 [oacs-chump]
added comment C1
22:27:41 [denshi]
talli, you've won the non-sequiter of the year award. is there anything you would like to say to your adoring fans?
22:27:49 [talli]
C: 1975 article about est
22:27:50 [oacs-chump]
added comment C2
22:28:15 [talli]
C: Container of Talli's personal slogan - When you know you're a mechanical anus, you've ''got it.''
22:28:15 [oacs-chump]
added comment C3
22:29:57 [rbm]
anybody knows if that spider-man game being given by Kellog's is any good?
22:32:58 [denshi]
rbm: does it involve mechanical anuses?
22:34:44 [talli]
i believe the term is anusi
22:35:00 [talli]
or perhaps anie
22:35:03 [talli]
aneye
22:36:55 [denshi]
isn't that a small animal from madagascar?
22:38:50 [talli]
dunno. does madacasgar have mechanical animals?
22:40:26 [rbm]
denshi: no, not really.
22:40:49 [rbm]
BTW, my VNC problem was that the Win98 machine where the server is running misteriously crashed (surprise!)
22:41:04 [rbm]
Win98 is a piece of crap
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22:49:46 [rbm]
hail hail davb
22:50:16 [davb]
uh, hi
22:50:16 [paje]
privet, davb
22:51:07 [denshi]
paje, seppuku
22:51:08 [paje]
denshi: i'm not following you...
22:51:12 [denshi]
damn.
22:52:02 [rbm]
how is much is a P2-class case+PS worth?
22:52:14 [rbm]
a regular, pizza-box one
22:54:31 [denshi]
you mean an ATX case + power supply?
22:54:47 [rbm]
yeah
22:54:52 [rbm]
old onwe
22:55:52 [denshi]
no idea.
22:56:16 [denshi]
consult with the wisdom of newegg
22:56:40 [rbm]
* rbm invoked the newegg wizzard
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s/invoked/invokes/
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speak of the mechanical anus
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23:18:00 [markd2]
I'd like you to know I'm 100% organic
23:18:04 [markd2]
well, except for the glasses
23:18:06 [markd2]
and a filling
23:18:41 [markd2]
well, and that bionic pancreas too
23:19:22 [denshi]
I'll be right back; I need to run markd2's cookies through an IR machine.
23:20:12 [talli]
markd2: what about the telescopic neck?
23:20:30 [talli]
and all that four wheel drive jazz?
23:20:43 [markd2]
I don't do jazz
23:20:43 [markd2]
too square
23:21:47 [talli]
yeah, automatons aren't good at improvisation
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* markd2 beeps
23:22:39 [rbm]
Java
23:22:49 [rbm]
JavaScript is really weird
23:24:29 [talli]
are
23:24:32 [talli]
rb
23:24:37 [talli]
whoa
23:25:00 [talli]
you
23:25:09 [talli]
holy
23:25:20 [rbm]
paje: again!
23:25:20 [paje]
* paje spanks talli
23:25:55 [talli]
thanks
23:32:59 [talli]
holy moly: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/05/14/174204&mode=thread&tid=181
23:33:01 [talli]
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/05/14/174204&mode=thread&tid=181
23:33:02 [oacs-chump]
D: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/05/14/174204&mode=thread&tid=181 from talli
23:33:16 [talli]
djg: Apple dual-G4 servers in 1U box
23:33:52 [markd2]
yeah.
23:34:03 [markd2]
looks like Oracle is coming to it too
23:34:11 [markd2]
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2002/may/14quotes.html
23:34:11 [oacs-chump]
E: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2002/may/14quotes.html from markd2
23:34:24 [markd2]
E:| Random press releases of folks supporting Mac OS X Server on the new Xserve
23:34:24 [oacs-chump]
titled item E
23:37:15 [rbm]
* rbm goes home
23:39:25 [denshi]
bye
23:39:50 [markd2]
nite
23:39:51 [denshi]
I think I need more hate to destroy scheme implementors.
23:40:03 [denshi]
markd2, do you have a hate-cookie I could have?
23:43:06 [markd2]
lemme check
23:43:06 [markd2]
I tend to keep those around. not very tasty
23:43:09 [markd2]
found one
23:43:14 [markd2]
* markd2 tosses 2 hate-cookies to densi
23:43:41 [denshi]
what, the one just split into 2 in mid-air?
23:43:45 [talli]
markd2: is cocoa an environment for building server and other applications? or is it just for GUIs?
23:43:53 [denshi]
ooh, this one's neat...
23:43:56 [markd2]
pretty much just GUIs
23:44:03 [markd2]
there is "foundation kit" stuff that's faceless
23:44:12 [markd2]
but you might as well just use perl or python
23:44:25 [talli]
ah, cool
23:44:29 [talli]
or regular old C?
23:44:51 [markd2]
yeah
23:45:26 [talli]
cool
23:45:42 [denshi]
tinyscheme actually calls a key pointer variable "pointer". I find that amusing.
23:45:49 [denshi]
and yet, so choice.
23:48:21 [denshi]
bbl
23:56:40 [Psychephylax]
eh?