00:08:51 <Psychephylax> heh
01:45:30 <Psychephylax> brb
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02:15:12 <hazmat> hello
02:21:59 <davb> hi hazmat
02:23:52 <hazmat> i'm so happy that people are talking on the bboards ;-)
02:23:56 <talli> hey hazmat
02:23:59 <talli> yeah, finally, huh?
02:24:02 <davb> it is very nice.
02:24:07 <hazmat> i had a big grin on my face for a few minutes after checking my email
02:24:32 <davb> I was thinking before, does say, postgresql, do all their development on the mailing list?
02:24:37 <hazmat> yes
02:24:53 <hazmat> they have multiple mailing lists for different interests.
02:25:27 <davb> ok, so that seems like a pretty good argument, that all stuff, even small stuff be on a bboard somewhere.
02:25:28 <hazmat> the thing is a mailing list lowers the burden of entry into the community because it requires less burden to keep up with. because email is universal. my two cents.
02:25:36 <davb> like all the icky openacs core stuff could be in the openacs-development bboard that most people do not subscibe to, but it's all there if someone needs it.
02:25:54 <davb> right. we 100% need email to bboard or something.
02:25:55 <hazmat> but right now, i'm just happy to have the talks in the open, i'll forget about mailing lists for now.
02:26:05 <davb> right.
02:26:36 <davb> I just meant to make sure the stuff stays out thee and doesn't get forgotten to post to the bboard.
02:26:44 <davb> hi talli
02:27:09 <talli> hey davb
02:27:27 <davb> brb
02:27:39 <talli> hazmat: some people think that if you let people email to the boards, then that increases the "signal to noise"
02:27:45 <talli> of course, that's crap
02:28:06 <talli> anyway, i'll keep myself from venting again
02:28:08 <talli> gotta go
02:28:16 <talli> talk to you guys later
02:31:48 <hazmat> cheers
02:50:46 <davb> http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$2286
02:50:46 <oacs-chump> A: http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$2286 from davb
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02:50:56 <davb> A:|Secret to big money
02:50:56 <oacs-chump> titled item A
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02:51:24 <davb> A: i posted this before, but I really like this idea
02:51:24 <oacs-chump> added comment A1
02:51:26 <davb> weird
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13:32:38 <davb> argh, rr's dns servers are slow these past couple of days
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14:50:29 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] Hi all. A reminder: OPN is still in urgent need of leaf node servers to fill our main rotation. Bandwidth usage is about 100-200Kbps average. We look for multihomed T3 or better to ensure reliability and good connectivity. We're a volunteer project and we depend on you to help us provide the resources we need. If you'd like to help, please take a look at http://openprojects.net/sponsoring_servers.shtml and email lilo@openprojects.net. Thanks!
14:56:36 <_miguel_> _miguel_ (tyler@cable251a238.usuarios.retecal.es) has joined #openacs
14:56:47 <_miguel_> hi guys!!
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15:13:22 <davb> hi _miguel_
15:13:42 <_miguel_> hi
15:13:46 <_miguel_> do you remember me?
15:13:54 <davb> yes :) how are things
15:14:00 <_miguel_> mmm lot of changes
15:22:49 <_miguel_> i quitted the project were i was working on 
15:27:26 <_miguel_> i mean the project about openacs i 
15:28:56 <davb> i see. 
15:30:34 <_miguel_> i got a new job, in the meantime i will try to finish off my degree
15:31:15 <_miguel_> i was sick of my coordinator, didnt know a thing about how to do things, actually there are a lot of people who is leaving the project
15:31:30 <_miguel_> but after my final i will go back with OpenACs
15:31:46 <davb> sounds good.
15:32:04 <davb> too bad that project didn't work out. there are alot of opportunities and potential with openacs though.
15:32:55 <_miguel_> yes, actually i am trying to settle a new project of an enterprise with some friends, but we will need some time to start over with the infraestructure
15:33:23 <_miguel_> and i would like to use OpenACS, at least in the beginning for our corporate intranet
15:39:03 <_miguel_> we are getting in contact with a guy who settled a internet services corporate and he will give us tutorials to share his expertise on how to install internet servers with linux also i am looking for some books (for now i just searched on Amazon) to get some bibliography about the topic (security, administration, etc)
15:39:42 <_miguel_> if you know something of any help
15:39:54 <davb> good idea. I haven't deployed any actual servers, so that is not my area of expertise :)
15:40:39 <_miguel_> ok, what is your area of expertise?
15:42:40 <davb> good question. I have a little knowledge of all the parts. I am good at figuring out how it all fits together.
15:43:06 <_miguel_> are you working ?
15:43:18 <davb> I am on the line between programmer and designer so I want to put togther CSS based templates for all the pacakges.
15:43:38 <davb> i am working, but not on openacs. I do mostly MS Access programming by day.
15:44:31 <_miguel_> CSS packages?
15:45:55 <_miguel_> what is that?
15:48:27 <_miguel_> as you all guys suggested me, I would like to start over with OpenACS 4.x
15:51:27 <davb> good idea.
15:51:31 <davb> CSS == cascasding style sheets
15:51:52 <_miguel_> ohh yes, now i do remember :)
15:51:52 <davb> so that you can use a stylesheet across the whole system
15:52:33 <_miguel_> I hope now that I am completely free, I could collaborate much tightly with the OpenACS community
16:00:56 <_miguel_> someone told me a lot of months ago that the problem set thing was covered
16:01:11 <davb> interesting. I don't know if anyone has done them.
16:01:24 <_miguel_> ok
16:06:25 <davb> i have to go. talk to you late.
16:06:25 <davb> are
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16:19:59 <_miguel_> bye
16:29:26 <hazmat> davb: you mostly do ms-access programing by day?? 
16:29:56 <hazmat> * hazmat feels a sudden overwhelming sense of sympathy
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18:08:17 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] Hi all. A reminder: OPN is still in urgent need of leaf node servers to fill our main rotation. Bandwidth usage is about 100-200Kbps average. We look for multihomed T3 or better to ensure reliability and good connectivity. We're a volunteer project and we depend on you to help us provide the resources we need. If you'd like to help, please take a look at http://openprojects.net/sponsoring_servers.shtml and email lilo@openprojects.net. Thanks!
18:08:27 <denshi> hey
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18:16:37 <_miguel_> heloo denshi
18:17:15 <denshi> what's up, miguel?
18:18:20 <_miguel_> just log on this channel, i havent being up here for a long time
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18:46:52 <talli> anyone home this afternoon?
18:53:42 <_miguel_> me, for instance :)
18:58:25 <denshi> i as well
19:06:54 <denshi> talli, you still here?
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19:20:37 <talli> biggie smalls really does have amazing friggin' beats
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19:53:00 <denshi> good for him
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20:40:53 <davb> hi talli
20:41:01 <davb> hazmat: thanks :) it almost pays the bills...
20:43:31 <talloooo> hey davb
20:44:16 <talloooo> plugged ya on the bboards there. i'll ask luke when he gets back from his vacation if he's had a chance to think about etp2 at all
20:45:37 <talloooo> davb: you there?
20:46:24 <talloooo> hazmat: do you have the business model of your underwear pyramid scheme somewhere?
20:46:27 <talloooo> i'd love to see it
20:46:40 <talloooo> perhaps submit a case study to harvard business review
20:47:07 <talloooo> the great thing about pyramid schemes is that they have such a wonderful ability to massively disrupt geo-political stability
20:48:10 <talloooo> one could make a strong argument that a pyramid scheme that collapsed the albanian economy resulted in stronger imperialist gains for the US
20:50:28 <talloooo> http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2000/03/jarvis.htm
20:50:29 <oacs-chump> B: http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2000/03/jarvis.htm from talloooo
20:50:48 <talloooo>  The pyramid scheme phenomenon in Albania is important because its scale relative to the size of the economy was unprecedented, and because the political and social consequences of the collapse of the pyramid schemes were profound. At their peak, the nominal value of the pyramid schemes' liabilities amounted to almost half of the country's GDP.
20:50:53 <talloooo> B:  The pyramid scheme phenomenon in Albania is important because its scale relative to the size of the economy was unprecedented, and because the political and social consequences of the collapse of the pyramid schemes were profound. At their peak, the nominal value of the pyramid schemes' liabilities amounted to almost half of the country's GDP.
20:50:53 <oacs-chump> added comment B1
20:52:50 <davb> i am here, in and out
20:54:30 <talloooo> that's cool, i'm headed out
20:54:38 <talloooo> just drank a cup of coffee with no food in the system
20:54:58 <talloooo> it's drilling a hole in my stomach lining while the caffeine is making it's way through my blood
20:55:16 <davb> oh boy. oh yeah, I guess I will be learning about forms handling this week :)
20:55:31 <talloooo> :)
20:55:36 <talloooo> well, you don't have to
20:55:54 <talloooo> i mean, i didn't mean to say that you *were* working onit
20:56:02 <talloooo> just that you might be able to get to it beforehand
20:56:09 <talloooo> sorry if it came out that way
20:56:29 <talloooo> i will post that it's still not coming, either way
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21:15:26 <davb> barstool: don't worry about it.
21:21:54 <hazmat> barstool: re the pyramid structure, the other thing thats obscene about it is how much money it makes.
21:21:59 <hazmat> and the growth rates
21:22:53 <hazmat> barstool: re a business model... i'm not sure what you mean
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21:36:58 <Psychephylax> happy mothers day to ya all :)
21:37:02 <Psychephylax> Especially dave
21:38:04 <denshi> why?  does mothering oacs-logger count?
21:38:14 <Psychephylax> yes 
21:38:59 <Psychephylax> i'll disrupt court tomorrow
21:40:01 <denshi> just want to tempt a contempt ruling?
21:40:17 <denshi> can a jury member get smacked with contempt?
21:40:17 <Psychephylax> no, wanna get kicked off so I can go back to work
21:40:43 <Psychephylax> Maybe I'll show up without pants
21:42:20 <denshi> just demonstrate some analytical capacity; then you'll get excepted in the jury review portion.
21:43:01 <Psychephylax> nah we're past that stage
21:43:08 <denshi> oops.
21:43:35 <Psychephylax> damn...watching Discovery channel about snakes
21:44:30 <Psychephylax> Black Mamba... One bite injects 20 drops of venom
21:44:43 <Psychephylax> 2 drops are lethal to a human
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22:15:51 <talli> denshi: why you coming in and out?
22:15:55 <talli> working on your network?
22:16:18 <denshi> just trying to keep mozilla in shape.
22:21:06 <talli> ah
22:21:28 <denshi> remember chrismj?
22:21:41 <talli> where does one put a symbolic link so that an app is available to all users of a linux system?
22:21:50 <talli> yeah, i remember chris, he's the guy in austin, right?
22:22:43 <denshi> yeah; I just randomly ran into at Magnolia last night.
22:22:48 <denshi> Austin works like that.
22:23:15 <talli> ah
22:23:24 <talli> god, i imagine that would suck
22:23:37 <talli> i mean, i bet it's the kind of place where everyone has slept with everyone else
22:23:38 <denshi> 800,000 people, and I run into OACSers on a weekly basis
22:24:03 <talli> and there's no avoiding the cousin of your ex-gf best friend who knows everything about you
22:25:31 <denshi> well, new people are always coming in from the Bay Area, but unfortunately they've all slept with each other, so that doesn't control the ex-gf-friend-cousin problem as much as reconstructs it into a two-body problem.
22:25:37 <talli> :)
22:27:55 <denshi> what do you think about a social at the end of this month?
22:28:12 <denshi> or on the 24/25 weekend before it?
22:28:36 <talli> sounds good, but i don't know if i can make it
22:29:15 <denshi> your month picking up?
22:30:00 <talli> no, but the travel budget may be swallowed up by then
22:30:56 <talli> if i can ask another unix newbie question, where should i ln mozilla in order to have the app available to all users?
22:31:11 <denshi> prefix=/usr/local
22:31:18 <talli> ok, that's what i though
22:31:39 <talli> ln mozilla /usr/local/bin ?
22:31:54 <denshi> then the cache, bookmarks, etc will hang out in /home/$USER
22:32:08 <talli> or just: ln mozilla /usr/local/ ?
22:32:39 <denshi> oh, you actually meant ln...
22:32:44 <denshi> where is it now?
22:32:51 <talli> /usr/local/mozilla/
22:32:59 <talli> where should it be?
22:33:05 <talli> in /usr/lib/mozilla?
22:33:18 <denshi> ln -s /usr/local/mozilla/mozilla /usr/local/bin/mozilla
22:33:31 <talli> ah, ok
22:33:34 <talli> thanks
22:36:01 <denshi> time to start the biryani
22:36:06 <talli> thanks
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