00:03:42 booga booga 00:09:01 I just finished the first part of a conversation about some analog videos containing SICP stuff 00:10:22 and looking into the possibility of getting copies to someone willing to do the (intensive) work of putting them in a format hi-res enough to see what he's writing on the board without being so large that each video takes 10 cds... 00:11:35 the conversation was with a student at some sort of graduate level who has some physical access to the videos 00:13:57 I wanted to put this much on the channel so the logbot could store it... I have to leave, myself... but we'll pick this up later 00:18:39 jim: sounds cool 00:45:03 tallihome (~chatzilla@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 01:02:56 w00t 01:23:13 paje, kill! 01:23:21 where is that damn thing when i need it? 01:23:49 muahahaha! now I am unstoppable! 01:23:59 the sum of all fears. 01:24:12 paje dead, and markd2 ruling the town. 01:24:16 is there no one who can save us? 01:24:39 Only cookies can distract me from my evil plans 01:25:03 loggy, chump, anyone -- throw him a cookie! 01:25:22 mmm.. cookies. 01:25:27 stella d'oro 01:25:29 breakfast treat. 01:26:24 interesting sysadmin question for everyone 01:26:35 our super ultra mega-luxo dell server 01:26:37 with RH 7.2 01:26:44 has fancy system monitors 01:26:52 that can tell you everything about the machine's health. 01:27:00 the question... 01:27:10 how often do you send the "i'm ok" email from a server to a pager? 01:27:19 once a day, just to make sure its working? 01:27:54 i'm guessing it's a matter of preference, but i'm wondering what james, big greg, et al. did 01:27:55 find out your sysadmin's sleep schedule 01:28:05 then page in the middle of that 01:28:09 haha 01:28:17 that was the nurse's big trick 01:28:18 in the hospital 01:28:24 always getting me when they knew i was asleep 01:28:28 just for giggles. 01:29:04 Chinese Pager Torture 01:29:24 would anybody be interested in a script that loads the openacs datamodels without aolserver? 01:29:38 sure! 01:29:55 cool, then i'll finish it up. 01:29:58 I need to load up a pg with random stuff for another app I'm working on, and that would be perfect 01:31:55 i'll stick it in the new-file-storage when i'm done. 01:32:36 hmm.. sourceforge has changed its look 01:32:55 and they have a mr. clean looking dude as a "guide" 01:34:43 kinky 01:35:57 rzolf and i were pondering mr. clean the other day 01:37:35 kinky 01:37:37 back when that logo was created 01:37:39 in the 50's 01:37:45 no one had "the look" 01:37:48 except for those on chemo 01:37:53 and... pirates?! 01:37:55 ahem 01:38:09 i can only imagine the ad agency pitching the logo at P&G 01:38:17 they must have been smoking the heavy stuff 01:38:42 they must have been aiming for the Swooning Housewife Market 01:38:50 i guess so 01:38:56 but look at Mr. Clean today 01:39:03 http://www.homemadesimple.com/mrclean/index.htm 01:39:03 A: http://www.homemadesimple.com/mrclean/index.htm from SunDog 01:39:14 he hasn't changed. Still ultra disturbing 01:39:56 good lord 01:39:59 Have you ever seen me wiping a computer screen from the inside, or even wiping my shiny bald head (which I usually do in private)? 01:40:05 http://www.homemadesimple.com/mrclean/goodies.htm 01:40:05 B: http://www.homemadesimple.com/mrclean/goodies.htm from markd2 01:40:10 B:| SunDog gets kinky on us 01:40:10 titled item B 01:40:20 HAHA 01:40:23 oh man 01:40:26 is that a flash game? 01:40:35 that's the "screen saver" 01:40:42 I don't even want to think about a *flash* game 01:41:01 i've got to ask my friends who work at P&G marketing 01:41:08 "like, what's the _deal_ with Mr. Clean..." 01:42:00 i wish I could find more history on the logo 01:42:11 i mean, was there a whole "adventures of mr. clean" TV show or something? 01:42:30 or did they just decide to put a disturbing dude on a bottle & sell it? 01:43:15 probalby the same minds that came up with "hamburglar" and "grimace" 01:43:32 haha... grimace rocks 01:43:33 http://www.mrcleantools.com/ 01:43:35 C: http://www.mrcleantools.com/ from SunDog 01:43:44 wait!! 01:43:47 MR. Clean history!!! 01:43:52 I found it! 01:43:54 http://www.mrcleantools.com/history/history.html 01:43:54 D: http://www.mrcleantools.com/history/history.html from SunDog 01:44:15 "Early advertising depicted Mr. Clean as the ideal household helpmate, cleaning everything from kitchen sinks to attic floors. Mr. Clean’s appearance – big, strong and friendly – created the household cleaner’s identity as a product that provides quick, easy cleaning of almost everything around the house. " 01:45:48 amazing 01:45:57 amazing that corporate america would.... do something like that. 01:48:15 http://enquirer.com/editions/2000/02/09/fin_mr_clean_finally.html 01:48:15 E: http://enquirer.com/editions/2000/02/09/fin_mr_clean_finally.html from SunDog 01:49:45 " The design of Mr. Clean was based on the classic look of a rugged sailor. The name was derived from a trend denoting the best in the late 1950's: Stan Musial was called Mr. Baseball and Milton Berle, Mr. Television." 01:50:24 i'm not buying it for a second 02:14:45 nblyumbe (~nblyumbe@ool-18baa8de.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #openacs 02:14:49 nblyumbe is now known as Spork 02:15:07 You know, sometimes Windows angers me greatly 02:15:17 All of a sudden it decided that it will lose Hal 02:15:43 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 02:15:49 hey Dave 02:15:54 hi Spork 02:16:24 So my mis-adventures continue 02:16:35 I installed WinXP 02:16:47 and then I installed Mandrake 02:16:59 and then suddenly Windows decided it lost Hal 02:19:51 poor Hal 02:20:06 yes 02:20:18 I gather I should try to find Hal for windows 02:22:48 who/what is hal? 02:24:39 "Dave, what are you doing with those windows disks? Dave?! DAVE!!" 02:25:39 ? 02:25:50 oh, heh :) 02:26:40 davb: HAve you watched 2001, A Space Odissey? 02:26:45 yeah 02:26:54 That's where that line (paraphrased) is from 02:26:58 took me a minute :) 02:27:31 ironically, my windows install says "Good evening Dave, everything is running smoothly, and you?" from 2001 02:28:53 hooray for jim searching down the SICP stuff. 02:29:00 So why do you format so much 02:29:07 me? 02:29:18 yup 02:29:25 And what do you guys recommend for a browser? 02:29:31 Has to support Java and Flash 02:29:32 actually the boot sector is hosed again. I am gettign a new hard drive adn installing win2k 02:29:34 Mozilla 02:29:39 rc1 02:29:44 works great 02:30:05 flash and java ok. 02:30:53 SICP the book is surpisingly readable in small installment.s 02:34:28 tallihome is now known as talli 02:35:39 Dpesm 02:35:39 ack 02:35:42 doesn't want to install 02:37:20 markd2 has quit ("wheeeee") 02:39:50 Spork has quit ("time to go search for HAL") 03:02:16 http://www.davidchess.com/words/log.20020503.html#20020504 03:02:17 F: http://www.davidchess.com/words/log.20020503.html#20020504 from davb 03:02:45 F:|David Chess on the CBDTPA 03:02:45 titled item F 03:03:18 F: "Whose instructions do you want your computer to be designed to obey: yours or Disney's? Yours or Microsoft's?" 03:03:18 added comment F1 03:09:05 http://www.nickdenton.org/docs/80_percent_company.mht 03:09:06 G: http://www.nickdenton.org/docs/80_percent_company.mht from davb 03:09:12 G:|The 80% Company 03:09:12 titled item G 03:10:51 G: or read it here: http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$7479 03:10:51 added comment G1 03:12:02 talli is now known as barstool 03:14:10 why do linux distros have such odd names? 03:14:22 SunDog is now known as mega-wolf 03:16:42 gentoo 03:16:45 lin-pus 03:25:12 just get debian 03:25:30 oh yeah, who would make their own distro. gotta be crazy. 03:25:50 davb is now known as davb-sleep 03:26:36 zzzirk has quit ("[x]chat") 04:11:31 so I got this working 04:11:33 I think 04:11:43 UnhappyJurophylx is now known as Tuesdayphylax 06:13:37 barstool has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:28:22 davb-sleep has quit ("Client Exiting") 12:35:59 davb (~chatzilla@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 12:37:21 hmmm 12:37:32 davb has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:37:33 So can they terminate my internship for being out 6 months? 12:54:01 markd2 (~markd2@h166-102-041-158.ip.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 12:55:21 hey Mark 12:57:44 'morning 12:58:13 Question 12:58:46 Can a company terminate my internship because of jury duty or does that break some sort of a law? 12:59:23 i know they can't fire people because of Jury Duty but I technically don't even have a job 13:01:26 yeah, internship is sketchy 13:01:28 better find a lawyer 13:02:52 I don't have any 13:03:37 they're everywhere. 13:03:48 you might have this weird phone book printed on yellow paper, there are some lurking in there 13:03:55 just be sure to get your apartment sprayed afterwards 13:04:25 heh 13:05:17 Well, if they fire me...I guess that will just really suck 13:06:52 I don't think my boss will do that and the department I work at answers to noone 13:07:07 basically, we're 80% of the company 13:07:11 think of it as a New Opportunity 13:07:19 heh 13:07:41 aD giving me the boot sucked, but I'm happier now than if I had been able to stay 13:08:13 yeah I just don't want to hear my parents bitching at me 13:08:19 barstool (~chatzilla@talli.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 13:08:21 I already got reamed for being on Jury Duty 13:08:29 paje, get up 13:08:40 hmmm 13:08:42 he's not here 13:08:47 barstool is now known as talli 13:08:49 did you volunteer for the first one? 13:09:29 What do you mean 13:09:43 you said you volunteered for the most recent jury duty 13:09:48 did you volunteer for the last time? 13:09:52 I took a calculated risk 13:10:11 The pros are equal to cons 13:10:26 if you voluntarily got on the roster for long-term jury duty, then they can ream with a clear concience 13:10:30 if not, then they're l00zers 13:10:46 Well, they don't know I volunteered and I plan on keeping it that way 13:10:52 ok 13:10:58 then they have no real reason to gripe. 13:11:04 I would have a month of Jury Duty within 6 months anyway 13:11:06 Jury Duty is like an Act of God in that case 13:11:18 maybe you should consider that as a career 13:11:22 lol 13:11:28 will they let you AIM during the trialage? 13:11:30 er, IRC 13:11:34 They don't pay me enough 13:11:59 From what they said about the trial is that it's not every day: M,W,F only 13:12:11 after the first couple of months it's going to be even less than that 13:12:16 and we have all of August off 13:12:34 DA goes on vacation...LOL 13:12:36 just work 20 hours on T/Th, and you're back to normal 13:12:45 That's what I figured 13:13:11 Plus, this case is going to be tried right next to my house 13:13:21 Otherwise the other jury duty is in like Guam 13:13:39 sweet! 13:13:45 you can ask the folks there what they call themselves 13:14:00 Guamese? 13:14:00 like folks from Mexico are Mexicans, folks from Jamaica are Jamaicans. 13:14:11 Guamian? 13:14:13 Guano? 13:14:14 or maybe Guamian 13:14:24 Guamians 13:19:41 I could use a Guinness 13:19:50 me too 13:21:37 davb (~chatzilla@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 13:22:09 hi Tuesdayphylax 13:22:12 hey dave 13:22:16 read the log :) 13:31:51 oh I'm gonna get fired for doing my civil duties i just know it 13:32:15 I hear there are exciting career opportunities in the Wendy's food services coroporation 13:32:24 oh yes 13:32:30 But I'd probably eat them out of business 14:09:26 Maybe I'll do some work today 14:09:34 lol 14:27:29 til has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:42:41 desropolis (desropolis@dsl254-091-187.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #openacs 14:43:16 Good day, everyone. 14:44:50 I've got a postgres Q: how do you call a function from in a check constraint? I've got: constraint gr_ratings_rating_ck 14:44:50 check (gr_rating__is_valid(rating, dimension_id) = 0) 14:45:07 I mean: 14:45:09 constraint gr_ratings_rating_ck check (gr_rating__is_valid(rating, dimension_id) = 0) 14:45:14 can you do that? 14:45:39 j. Ellis suggested it. 14:49:15 here is an example from the docs: CHECK (char_length(zipcode) = 5) 14:50:50 nice 14:52:55 Yeah... my script results in an error, though. It tells me that gr_rating__is_valid already exists with the same arguments. It's as if I'm trying to DEFINE the funciton in there rather than just CALL it. 14:53:05 right. 14:53:16 i wonder if is somehow only works on built in functions. 14:53:47 Well. I'll put it off for now. I'll email JBE on it. He suggested it! 14:53:55 ok. 14:54:00 Thanks. 14:54:02 brb 14:54:22 * rbm is getting ready to take the GRE later this morning 14:58:00 Whoops. I was able to do it. I wasn't dropping the function in my drop script. I blush. 15:16:53 no problem. we have often found that talking about your problem in the irc channel helps you figure it out. 15:22:55 til (~tils@62.116.19.11) has joined #openacs 15:27:16 hey guys 15:27:49 hi 15:39:09 snore.. huh? Oh, sorry I had the window buried. Hi talli 15:39:21 hey desropolis 15:39:33 how's the ratings project coming along? 15:39:45 Pretty good. I'm working on it right now. 15:40:02 very cool 15:40:16 it's great that you've jumped into the project without caring about the "tcl problem" 15:40:40 it's wonderful to get new developers, and it seems we get really good ones because they have to be language agnostic 15:41:26 Yeah. The architecture is awesome. The ideas are solid. If tcl is a problem, I guess you guys haven't thought so. 15:41:31 i must admit i'm getting sick of fighting language wars, especially among "python bigots" (sorry lethedrinker) 15:41:34 * markd2 is language antagonistic 15:41:47 tcl isn't a problem becuase, well, it works 15:41:53 and AOLserver rocks 15:42:10 * talli is markd2 monastic 15:42:42 monk-ey boy 15:43:17 desropolis: what's your background? how did you end up doing web-KM? 15:43:45 speaking of which... 15:43:47 http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/3213884.htm 15:43:47 H: http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/3213884.htm from talli 15:44:00 H: Microsoft to buy Danish Navision for $1.33 billion 15:44:00 added comment H1 15:44:29 H: Musea plans to counter-attack by purchasing CollaborAID for 50 cents (30000000 Kronor) 15:44:30 added comment H2 15:46:28 Just luck, I guess. Doing KM, that is... 15:46:43 I worked for a computer learning/CBT company. 15:47:55 I wrote a performance support tool there, based on the ideas of Hal Christensen. 15:48:01 He worked there at the time. 15:49:02 how did you learn abotu the OACS? 15:49:11 While there I met a guy who was working on KM stuff. A few years (and contracts) later, he hired me. 15:49:17 oh, cool 15:49:30 Mike Feldstein works with Hal Christensen. 15:49:35 ah ha 15:49:36 I called Hal looking for work. 15:49:53 He sicced Mike on me. 15:50:09 nice 15:51:30 killer 15:51:36 that makes sense 15:52:29 I hope so! 15:52:45 seems to be a common theme 15:53:11 Are there other recent converts with the same motivation? 15:54:10 denshi (toddg@linux155.ma.utexas.edu) has joined #openacs 15:54:35 my god, it's full of geeks 15:55:43 davb has changed the topic to: OpenACS: Free Web Toolkit my god, it's full of geeks 15:56:17 lol 16:01:35 denshi: http://austin.craigslist.org/sof/3782041.html 16:03:57 hachacha 16:04:13 just as soon as I fix my fscking lan I'll get on it 16:04:35 lame. no leechburg.craigslist.org 16:04:44 d'oh! 16:05:21 i think maybe the roadrunner cable modems refuse to route packets from linux boxen. 16:05:39 * denshi looks around for his lawsuit form 16:06:38 ack. not in new york they don;t 16:11:46 what's the connect type in new york? straight ethernet or PPPoE? 16:13:53 oacs-logger, seen rzolf? 16:14:39 I'm logging. I found 16 answers for 'seen rzolf' (showing 0...4) 16:14:40 0) 2002-05-07 16:13:53 oacs-logger, seen rzolf? 16:14:41 1) 2002-05-03 20:07:31 seen rzolf? 16:14:42 2) 2002-04-29 04:40:36 hazmat was last seen on #openacs 4 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: paje: seen rzolf [Sun Apr 28 22:36:20 2002] 16:14:43 3) 2002-04-29 04:35:39 paje: seen rzolf 16:14:44 4) 2002-04-29 03:20:10 markd2 was last seen on #openacs 2 days, 7 hours, 20 minutes and 44 seconds ago, saying: paje seen rzolf? [Fri Apr 26 14:00:06 2002] 16:15:14 denshi: ethernet i think. 16:15:19 no special stuff is required. 16:15:23 paje is MIA 16:15:24 crap 16:16:40 cro (~cro@defiant.nca.asu.edu) has joined #openacs 16:17:12 Cro Magnum, PI. 16:17:26 :-) 16:18:50 denshi: It magically hands out 3 ip addresses. if you hook up another machine, it dtops one usually. 16:21:58 djg has quit ("BitchX-75p3 -- just do it.") 16:22:10 brb 16:22:12 denshi has quit ("denshi has no reason") 16:24:02 cro has quit (Remote closed the connection) 16:25:10 cro (~cro@defiant.nca.asu.edu) has joined #openacs 16:25:30 markd2 has quit ("Bork") 16:47:00 I'm off to try my new DSL connection. Going from 384 to 768! 16:47:30 bye. 16:47:35 desropolis has left #openacs 16:55:15 denshi (~chatzilla@cs6625176-26.austin.rr.com) has joined #openacs 16:56:19 the lan works! 16:57:01 denshi has quit (Client Quit) 16:57:45 denshi (~chatzilla@cs6625176-26.austin.rr.com) has joined #openacs 17:04:45 mega-wolf has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:31:11 denshi has left #openacs 17:31:25 denshi (~chatzilla@cs6625176-26.austin.rr.com) has joined #openacs 17:58:36 markd2 (~Snak@h166-102-041-155.ip.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 18:02:27 * denshi gives markd2 a cookie. 18:05:40 mmmm.. cookies 18:24:08 denshi: when do you thikn you might have a chance to look at the Apache Portable Runtime? 18:24:34 i'd really appreciate if i could get your opinion of the thing 18:27:19 tallioffice is now known as somekaka 18:32:41 http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/news/editorial/3210933.htm 18:32:42 I: http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/news/editorial/3210933.htm from somekaka 18:32:53 I: IBM overtakes Oracle in total database sales, report says 18:32:53 added comment I1 18:35:04 less expensive? 18:44:08 tastes great 18:48:40 wow 18:48:43 today's a slow day 18:49:42 oh... paje' 18:49:47 paje's not here 18:51:56 the PG folks are looking to use APR to make PG more portable 18:56:55 markd2 has quit ("wheeeee") 19:00:47 davb has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:01:25 davb (~chatzilla@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 19:31:12 is the bastard denshi around? 19:39:03 the bastard is back 19:39:24 hey denshi 19:39:35 when do you think you might have time to take a look at the APR? 19:42:54 umm.... today? 19:43:00 I'm writing mod_db right now 19:43:47 it's ripped heavily from nsd; it's the db connection pooling, but language neutral so I can use it for mod_scheme 19:44:05 killer! 19:44:11 is there anything I should look at in the APR whilst plumbing its depths? 19:44:26 cro has left #openacs 19:44:31 mod_bd == the new mod_aolserver, right? 19:46:08 re: APR, i would like to know how clean the code, is what kind of headstart it provides a developer and whether it's something to consider using for MOmentum 19:46:35 there has been a lot of movement on the PG-hackers list about using the APR as a portability layer for PG 19:46:54 (maybe the APR could even be a portability layer for nsd) 19:47:05 mod_db is just the db- chunk of mod_aolserver. big parts of aolserver are divorcible and useful elsewhere. 19:47:26 is there a particular thread on pg-hacker? 19:47:43 there's a long friggin' thread that's been going on for the past couple of days 19:47:50 also, marc fournier was posting on the APR list today 19:49:10 the question for the APR is whether it's flexible enough to give the developer access to other libraries and tools as well 19:51:05 cro (~cro@defiant.nca.asu.edu) has joined #openacs 19:55:16 that's a pretty extensive thread on pg-hackers 19:55:51 did you see the schema status report? 20:04:08 davb has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.6 [Mozilla rv:1.0rc1/20020417]") 20:12:16 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. Just a reminder. OPN is in urgent need of new, reliable servers for our main rotation. We're in particular need of public leaf servers on T3 or better. Actual bandwidth requirements are considerably lower, and can be found along with requirements on http://openprojects.net/sponsoring_servers.shtml . If you're interesting in helping, please take a look and email me at lilo@openprojects.net! Thanks. 20:14:56 what is the right ocmmand to bunzip2 a kernel source? bunzip2 -vsf kernel? 20:17:29 bunzip2 --stdout | tar -xf 20:17:31 or 20:17:57 tar xfI kernel.tar.bz2 20:18:10 ok, thanks 20:18:14 and the first should be 'bunzip2 --stdout kernel.tar.bz2 | tar -xf' 20:18:28 i just did a bunzip kernel-foo.tar.bz2 20:19:12 You can also do tar --bzip2 -xvf kernel.tar.bz2 20:19:20