IRC log of openacs on 2002-05-07

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00:03:42 [markd2]

booga booga

00:09:01 [jim]

I just finished the first part of a conversation about some analog videos containing SICP stuff

00:10:22 [jim]

and looking into the possibility of getting copies to someone willing to do the (intensive) work of putting them in a format hi-res enough to see what he's writing on the board without being so large that each video takes 10 cds...

00:11:35 [jim]

the conversation was with a student at some sort of graduate level who has some physical access to the videos

00:13:57 [jim]

I wanted to put this much on the channel so the logbot could store it... I have to leave, myself... but we'll pick this up later

00:18:39 [lethedrinker]

jim: sounds cool

00:45:03 [tallihome]

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01:02:56 [UnhappyJurophylx]

w00t

01:23:13 [SunDog]

paje, kill!

01:23:21 [SunDog]

where is that damn thing when i need it?

01:23:49 [markd2]

muahahaha! now I am unstoppable!

01:23:59 [SunDog]

the sum of all fears.

01:24:12 [SunDog]

paje dead, and markd2 ruling the town.

01:24:16 [SunDog]

is there no one who can save us?

01:24:39 [markd2]

Only cookies can distract me from my evil plans

01:25:03 [SunDog]

loggy, chump, anyone -- throw him a cookie!

01:25:22 [SunDog]

mmm.. cookies.

01:25:27 [SunDog]

stella d'oro

01:25:29 [SunDog]

breakfast treat.

01:26:24 [SunDog]

interesting sysadmin question for everyone

01:26:35 [SunDog]

our super ultra mega-luxo dell server

01:26:37 [SunDog]

with RH 7.2

01:26:44 [SunDog]

has fancy system monitors

01:26:52 [SunDog]

that can tell you everything about the machine's health.

01:27:00 [SunDog]

the question...

01:27:10 [SunDog]

how often do you send the "i'm ok" email from a server to a pager?

01:27:19 [SunDog]

once a day, just to make sure its working?

01:27:54 [SunDog]

i'm guessing it's a matter of preference, but i'm wondering what james, big greg, et al. did

01:27:55 [markd2]

find out your sysadmin's sleep schedule

01:28:05 [markd2]

then page in the middle of that

01:28:09 [SunDog]

haha

01:28:17 [SunDog]

that was the nurse's big trick

01:28:18 [SunDog]

in the hospital

01:28:24 [SunDog]

always getting me when they knew i was asleep

01:28:28 [SunDog]

just for giggles.

01:29:04 [SunDog]

Chinese Pager Torture

01:29:24 [lethedrinker]

would anybody be interested in a script that loads the openacs datamodels without aolserver?

01:29:38 [markd2]

sure!

01:29:55 [lethedrinker]

cool, then i'll finish it up.

01:29:58 [markd2]

I need to load up a pg with random stuff for another app I'm working on, and that would be perfect

01:31:55 [lethedrinker]

i'll stick it in the new-file-storage when i'm done.

01:32:36 [SunDog]

hmm.. sourceforge has changed its look

01:32:55 [SunDog]

and they have a mr. clean looking dude as a "guide"

01:34:43 [markd2]

kinky

01:35:57 [SunDog]

rzolf and i were pondering mr. clean the other day

01:37:35 [markd2]

kinky

01:37:37 [SunDog]

back when that logo was created

01:37:39 [SunDog]

in the 50's

01:37:45 [SunDog]

no one had "the look"

01:37:48 [SunDog]

except for those on chemo

01:37:53 [SunDog]

and... pirates?!

01:37:55 [SunDog]

ahem

01:38:09 [SunDog]

i can only imagine the ad agency pitching the logo at P&G

01:38:17 [SunDog]

they must have been smoking the heavy stuff

01:38:42 [markd2]

they must have been aiming for the Swooning Housewife Market

01:38:50 [SunDog]

i guess so

01:38:56 [SunDog]

but look at Mr. Clean today

01:39:03 [SunDog]

http://www.homemadesimple.com/mrclean/index.htm

01:39:03 [oacs-chump]

A: http://www.homemadesimple.com/mrclean/index.htm from SunDog

01:39:14 [SunDog]

he hasn't changed. Still ultra disturbing

01:39:56 [markd2]

good lord

01:39:59 [markd2]

Have you ever seen me wiping a computer screen from the inside, or even wiping my shiny bald head (which I usually do in private)?

01:40:05 [markd2]

http://www.homemadesimple.com/mrclean/goodies.htm

01:40:05 [oacs-chump]

B: http://www.homemadesimple.com/mrclean/goodies.htm from markd2

01:40:10 [markd2]

B:| SunDog gets kinky on us

01:40:10 [oacs-chump]

titled item B

01:40:20 [SunDog]

HAHA

01:40:23 [SunDog]

oh man

01:40:26 [SunDog]

is that a flash game?

01:40:35 [markd2]

that's the "screen saver"

01:40:42 [markd2]

I don't even want to think about a *flash* game

01:41:01 [SunDog]

i've got to ask my friends who work at P&G marketing

01:41:08 [SunDog]

"like, what's the _deal_ with Mr. Clean..."

01:42:00 [SunDog]

i wish I could find more history on the logo

01:42:11 [SunDog]

i mean, was there a whole "adventures of mr. clean" TV show or something?

01:42:30 [SunDog]

or did they just decide to put a disturbing dude on a bottle & sell it?

01:43:15 [markd2]

probalby the same minds that came up with "hamburglar" and "grimace"

01:43:32 [SunDog]

haha... grimace rocks

01:43:33 [SunDog]

http://www.mrcleantools.com/

01:43:35 [oacs-chump]

C: http://www.mrcleantools.com/ from SunDog

01:43:44 [SunDog]

wait!!

01:43:47 [SunDog]

MR. Clean history!!!

01:43:52 [SunDog]

I found it!

01:43:54 [SunDog]

http://www.mrcleantools.com/history/history.html

01:43:54 [oacs-chump]

D: http://www.mrcleantools.com/history/history.html from SunDog

01:44:15 [SunDog]

"Early advertising depicted Mr. Clean as the ideal household helpmate, cleaning everything from kitchen sinks to attic floors. Mr. Clean’s appearance – big, strong and friendly – created the household cleaner’s identity as a product that provides quick, easy cleaning of almost everything around the house. "

01:45:48 [SunDog]

amazing

01:45:57 [SunDog]

amazing that corporate america would.... do something like that.

01:48:15 [SunDog]

http://enquirer.com/editions/2000/02/09/fin_mr_clean_finally.html

01:48:15 [oacs-chump]

E: http://enquirer.com/editions/2000/02/09/fin_mr_clean_finally.html from SunDog

01:49:45 [SunDog]

" The design of Mr. Clean was based on the classic look of a rugged sailor. The name was derived from a trend denoting the best in the late 1950's: Stan Musial was called Mr. Baseball and Milton Berle, Mr. Television."

01:50:24 [SunDog]

i'm not buying it for a second

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02:14:49 [nblyumbe]

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02:15:07 [Spork]

You know, sometimes Windows angers me greatly

02:15:17 [Spork]

All of a sudden it decided that it will lose Hal

02:15:43 [davb]

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02:15:49 [Spork]

hey Dave

02:15:54 [davb]

hi Spork

02:16:24 [Spork]

So my mis-adventures continue

02:16:35 [Spork]

I installed WinXP

02:16:47 [Spork]

and then I installed Mandrake

02:16:59 [Spork]

and then suddenly Windows decided it lost Hal

02:19:51 [markd2]

poor Hal

02:20:06 [Spork]

yes

02:20:18 [Spork]

I gather I should try to find Hal for windows

02:22:48 [davb]

who/what is hal?

02:24:39 [rbm]

"Dave, what are you doing with those windows disks? Dave?! DAVE!!"

02:25:39 [davb]

?

02:25:50 [davb]

oh, heh :)

02:26:40 [rbm]

davb: HAve you watched 2001, A Space Odissey?

02:26:45 [davb]

yeah

02:26:54 [rbm]

That's where that line (paraphrased) is from

02:26:58 [davb]

took me a minute :)

02:27:31 [davb]

ironically, my windows install says "Good evening Dave, everything is running smoothly, and you?" from 2001

02:28:53 [davb]

hooray for jim searching down the SICP stuff.

02:29:00 [Spork]

So why do you format so much

02:29:07 [davb]

me?

02:29:18 [Spork]

yup

02:29:25 [Spork]

And what do you guys recommend for a browser?

02:29:31 [Spork]

Has to support Java and Flash

02:29:32 [davb]

actually the boot sector is hosed again. I am gettign a new hard drive adn installing win2k

02:29:34 [davb]

Mozilla

02:29:39 [davb]

rc1

02:29:44 [davb]

works great

02:30:05 [davb]

flash and java ok.

02:30:53 [davb]

SICP the book is surpisingly readable in small installment.s

02:34:28 [tallihome]

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02:35:39 [Spork]

Dpesm

02:35:39 [Spork]

ack

02:35:42 [Spork]

doesn't want to install

02:37:20 [markd2]

markd2 has quit ("wheeeee")

02:39:50 [Spork]

Spork has quit ("time to go search for HAL")

03:02:16 [davb]

http://www.davidchess.com/words/log.20020503.html#20020504

03:02:17 [oacs-chump]

F: http://www.davidchess.com/words/log.20020503.html#20020504 from davb

03:02:45 [davb]

F:|David Chess on the CBDTPA

03:02:45 [oacs-chump]

titled item F

03:03:18 [davb]

F: "Whose instructions do you want your computer to be designed to obey: yours or Disney's? Yours or Microsoft's?"

03:03:18 [oacs-chump]

added comment F1

03:09:05 [davb]

http://www.nickdenton.org/docs/80_percent_company.mht

03:09:06 [oacs-chump]

G: http://www.nickdenton.org/docs/80_percent_company.mht from davb

03:09:12 [davb]

G:|The 80% Company

03:09:12 [oacs-chump]

titled item G

03:10:51 [davb]

G: or read it here: http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$7479

03:10:51 [oacs-chump]

added comment G1

03:12:02 [talli]

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03:14:10 [SunDog]

why do linux distros have such odd names?

03:14:22 [SunDog]

SunDog is now known as mega-wolf

03:16:42 [mega-wolf]

gentoo

03:16:45 [mega-wolf]

lin-pus

03:25:12 [davb]

just get debian

03:25:30 [davb]

oh yeah, who would make their own distro. gotta be crazy.

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04:11:31 [UnhappyJurophylx]

so I got this working

04:11:33 [UnhappyJurophylx]

I think

04:11:43 [UnhappyJurophylx]

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12:37:21 [Tuesdayphylax]

hmmm

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12:37:33 [Tuesdayphylax]

So can they terminate my internship for being out 6 months?

12:54:01 [markd2]

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12:55:21 [Tuesdayphylax]

hey Mark

12:57:44 [markd2]

'morning

12:58:13 [Tuesdayphylax]

Question

12:58:46 [Tuesdayphylax]

Can a company terminate my internship because of jury duty or does that break some sort of a law?

12:59:23 [Tuesdayphylax]

i know they can't fire people because of Jury Duty but I technically don't even have a job

13:01:26 [markd2]

yeah, internship is sketchy

13:01:28 [markd2]

better find a lawyer

13:02:52 [Tuesdayphylax]

I don't have any

13:03:37 [markd2]

they're everywhere.

13:03:48 [markd2]

you might have this weird phone book printed on yellow paper, there are some lurking in there

13:03:55 [markd2]

just be sure to get your apartment sprayed afterwards

13:04:25 [Tuesdayphylax]

heh

13:05:17 [Tuesdayphylax]

Well, if they fire me...I guess that will just really suck

13:06:52 [Tuesdayphylax]

I don't think my boss will do that and the department I work at answers to noone

13:07:07 [Tuesdayphylax]

basically, we're 80% of the company

13:07:11 [markd2]

think of it as a New Opportunity

13:07:19 [Tuesdayphylax]

heh

13:07:41 [markd2]

aD giving me the boot sucked, but I'm happier now than if I had been able to stay

13:08:13 [Tuesdayphylax]

yeah I just don't want to hear my parents bitching at me

13:08:19 [barstool]

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13:08:21 [Tuesdayphylax]

I already got reamed for being on Jury Duty

13:08:29 [Tuesdayphylax]

paje, get up

13:08:40 [Tuesdayphylax]

hmmm

13:08:42 [Tuesdayphylax]

he's not here

13:08:47 [barstool]

barstool is now known as talli

13:08:49 [markd2]

did you volunteer for the first one?

13:09:29 [Tuesdayphylax]

What do you mean

13:09:43 [markd2]

you said you volunteered for the most recent jury duty

13:09:48 [markd2]

did you volunteer for the last time?

13:09:52 [Tuesdayphylax]

I took a calculated risk

13:10:11 [Tuesdayphylax]

The pros are equal to cons

13:10:26 [markd2]

if you voluntarily got on the roster for long-term jury duty, then they can ream with a clear concience

13:10:30 [markd2]

if not, then they're l00zers

13:10:46 [Tuesdayphylax]

Well, they don't know I volunteered and I plan on keeping it that way

13:10:52 [markd2]

ok

13:10:58 [markd2]

then they have no real reason to gripe.

13:11:04 [Tuesdayphylax]

I would have a month of Jury Duty within 6 months anyway

13:11:06 [markd2]

Jury Duty is like an Act of God in that case

13:11:18 [markd2]

maybe you should consider that as a career

13:11:22 [Tuesdayphylax]

lol

13:11:28 [markd2]

will they let you AIM during the trialage?

13:11:30 [markd2]

er, IRC

13:11:34 [Tuesdayphylax]

They don't pay me enough

13:11:59 [Tuesdayphylax]

From what they said about the trial is that it's not every day: M,W,F only

13:12:11 [Tuesdayphylax]

after the first couple of months it's going to be even less than that

13:12:16 [Tuesdayphylax]

and we have all of August off

13:12:34 [Tuesdayphylax]

DA goes on vacation...LOL

13:12:36 [markd2]

just work 20 hours on T/Th, and you're back to normal

13:12:45 [Tuesdayphylax]

That's what I figured

13:13:11 [Tuesdayphylax]

Plus, this case is going to be tried right next to my house

13:13:21 [Tuesdayphylax]

Otherwise the other jury duty is in like Guam

13:13:39 [markd2]

sweet!

13:13:45 [markd2]

you can ask the folks there what they call themselves

13:14:00 [Tuesdayphylax]

Guamese?

13:14:00 [markd2]

like folks from Mexico are Mexicans, folks from Jamaica are Jamaicans.

13:14:11 [markd2]

Guamian?

13:14:13 [markd2]

Guano?

13:14:14 [Tuesdayphylax]

or maybe Guamian

13:14:24 [Tuesdayphylax]

Guamians

13:19:41 [markd2]

I could use a Guinness

13:19:50 [Tuesdayphylax]

me too

13:21:37 [davb]

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13:22:09 [davb]

hi Tuesdayphylax

13:22:12 [Tuesdayphylax]

hey dave

13:22:16 [Tuesdayphylax]

read the log :)

13:31:51 [Tuesdayphylax]

oh I'm gonna get fired for doing my civil duties i just know it

13:32:15 [markd2]

I hear there are exciting career opportunities in the Wendy's food services coroporation

13:32:24 [Tuesdayphylax]

oh yes

13:32:30 [Tuesdayphylax]

But I'd probably eat them out of business

14:09:26 [davb]

Maybe I'll do some work today

14:09:34 [Tuesdayphylax]

lol

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14:42:41 [desropolis]

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14:43:16 [desropolis]

Good day, everyone.

14:44:50 [desropolis]

I've got a postgres Q: how do you call a function from in a check constraint? I've got:constraint gr_ratings_rating_ck

14:44:50 [desropolis]

check (gr_rating__is_valid(rating, dimension_id) = 0)

14:45:07 [desropolis]

I mean:

14:45:09 [desropolis]

constraint gr_ratings_rating_ck check (gr_rating__is_valid(rating, dimension_id) = 0)

14:45:14 [markd2]

can you do that?

14:45:39 [desropolis]

j. Ellis suggested it.

14:49:15 [davb]

here is an example from the docs: CHECK (char_length(zipcode) = 5)

14:50:50 [markd2]

nice

14:52:55 [desropolis]

Yeah... my script results in an error, though. It tells me that gr_rating__is_valid already exists with the same arguments. It's as if I'm trying to DEFINE the funciton in there rather than just CALL it.

14:53:05 [davb]

right.

14:53:16 [davb]

i wonder if is somehow only works on built in functions.

14:53:47 [desropolis]

Well. I'll put it off for now. I'll email JBE on it. He suggested it!

14:53:55 [davb]

ok.

14:54:00 [desropolis]

Thanks.

14:54:02 [davb]

brb

14:54:22 [rbm]

* rbm is getting ready to take the GRE later this morning

14:58:00 [desropolis]

Whoops. I was able to do it. I wasn't dropping the function in my drop script. I blush.

15:16:53 [davb]

no problem. we have often found that talking about your problem in the irc channel helps you figure it out.

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15:27:16 [talli]

hey guys

15:27:49 [davb]

hi

15:39:09 [desropolis]

snore.. huh? Oh, sorry I had the window buried. Hi talli

15:39:21 [talli]

hey desropolis

15:39:33 [talli]

how's the ratings project coming along?

15:39:45 [desropolis]

Pretty good. I'm working on it right now.

15:40:02 [talli]

very cool

15:40:16 [talli]

it's great that you've jumped into the project without caring about the "tcl problem"

15:40:40 [talli]

it's wonderful to get new developers, and it seems we get really good ones because they have to be language agnostic

15:41:26 [desropolis]

Yeah. The architecture is awesome. The ideas are solid. If tcl is a problem, I guess you guys haven't thought so.

15:41:31 [talli]

i must admit i'm getting sick of fighting language wars, especially among "python bigots" (sorry lethedrinker)

15:41:34 [markd2]

* markd2 is language antagonistic

15:41:47 [talli]

tcl isn't a problem becuase, well, it works

15:41:53 [talli]

and AOLserver rocks

15:42:10 [talli]

* talli is markd2 monastic

15:42:42 [markd2]

monk-ey boy

15:43:17 [talli]

desropolis: what's your background? how did you end up doing web-KM?

15:43:45 [talli]

speaking of which...

15:43:47 [talli]

http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/3213884.htm

15:43:47 [oacs-chump]

H: http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/3213884.htm from talli

15:44:00 [talli]

H: Microsoft to buy Danish Navision for $1.33 billion

15:44:00 [oacs-chump]

added comment H1

15:44:29 [talli]

H: Musea plans to counter-attack by purchasing CollaborAID for 50 cents (30000000 Kronor)

15:44:30 [oacs-chump]

added comment H2

15:46:28 [desropolis]

Just luck, I guess. Doing KM, that is...

15:46:43 [desropolis]

I worked for a computer learning/CBT company.

15:47:55 [desropolis]

I wrote a performance support tool there, based on the ideas of Hal Christensen.

15:48:01 [desropolis]

He worked there at the time.

15:49:02 [talli]

how did you learn abotu the OACS?

15:49:11 [desropolis]

While there I met a guy who was working on KM stuff. A few years (and contracts) later, he hired me.

15:49:17 [talli]

oh, cool

15:49:30 [desropolis]

Mike Feldstein works with Hal Christensen.

15:49:35 [talli]

ah ha

15:49:36 [desropolis]

I called Hal looking for work.

15:49:53 [desropolis]

He sicced Mike on me.

15:50:09 [talli]

nice

15:51:30 [talli]

killer

15:51:36 [talli]

that makes sense

15:52:29 [desropolis]

I hope so!

15:52:45 [davb]

seems to be a common theme

15:53:11 [desropolis]

Are there other recent converts with the same motivation?

15:54:10 [denshi]

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15:54:35 [denshi]

my god, it's full of geeks

15:55:43 [davb]

davb has changed the topic to: OpenACS: Free Web Toolkit <denshi> my god, it's full of geeks

15:56:17 [desropolis]

lol

16:01:35 [talli]

denshi: http://austin.craigslist.org/sof/3782041.html

16:03:57 [denshi]

hachacha

16:04:13 [denshi]

just as soon as I fix my fscking lan I'll get on it

16:04:35 [markd2]

lame. no leechburg.craigslist.org

16:04:44 [denshi]

d'oh!

16:05:21 [denshi]

i think maybe the roadrunner cable modems refuse to route packets from linux boxen.

16:05:39 [denshi]

* denshi looks around for his lawsuit form

16:06:38 [davb]

ack. not in new york they don;t

16:11:46 [denshi]

what's the connect type in new york? straight ethernet or PPPoE?

16:13:53 [denshi]

oacs-logger, seen rzolf?

16:14:39 [oacs-logger]

I'm logging. I found 16 answers for 'seen rzolf' (showing 0...4)

16:14:40 [oacs-logger]

0) 2002-05-07 16:13:53 <denshi> oacs-logger, seen rzolf?

16:14:41 [oacs-logger]

1) 2002-05-03 20:07:31 <markd2> seen rzolf?

16:14:42 [oacs-logger]

2) 2002-04-29 04:40:36 <paje> hazmat was last seen on #openacs 4 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: paje: seen rzolf [Sun Apr 28 22:36:20 2002]

16:14:43 [oacs-logger]

3) 2002-04-29 04:35:39 <hazmat> paje: seen rzolf

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4) 2002-04-29 03:20:10 <paje> markd2 was last seen on #openacs 2 days, 7 hours, 20 minutes and 44 seconds ago, saying: paje seen rzolf? [Fri Apr 26 14:00:06 2002]

16:15:14 [davb]

denshi: ethernet i think.

16:15:19 [davb]

no special stuff is required.

16:15:23 [markd2]

paje is MIA

16:15:24 [denshi]

crap

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16:17:12 [markd2]

Cro Magnum, PI.

16:17:26 [cro]

:-)

16:18:50 [davb]

denshi: It magically hands out 3 ip addresses. if you hook up another machine, it dtops one usually.

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brb

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16:47:00 [desropolis]

I'm off to try my new DSL connection. Going from 384 to 768!

16:47:30 [desropolis]

bye.

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the lan works!

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18:02:27 [denshi]

* denshi gives markd2 a cookie.

18:05:40 [markd2]

mmmm.. cookies

18:24:08 [tallioffice]

denshi: when do you thikn you might have a chance to look at the Apache Portable Runtime?

18:24:34 [tallioffice]

i'd really appreciate if i could get your opinion of the thing

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18:32:41 [somekaka]

http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/news/editorial/3210933.htm

18:32:42 [oacs-chump]

I: http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/news/editorial/3210933.htm from somekaka

18:32:53 [somekaka]

I: IBM overtakes Oracle in total database sales, report says

18:32:53 [oacs-chump]

added comment I1

18:35:04 [jim]

less expensive?

18:44:08 [markd2]

tastes great

18:48:40 [somekaka]

wow

18:48:43 [somekaka]

today's a slow day

18:49:42 [somekaka]

oh... paje'

18:49:47 [somekaka]

paje's not here

18:51:56 [somekaka]

the PG folks are looking to use APR to make PG more portable

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19:31:12 [somekaka]

is the bastard denshi around?

19:39:03 [denshi]

the bastard is back

19:39:24 [somekaka]

hey denshi

19:39:35 [somekaka]

when do you think you might have time to take a look at the APR?

19:42:54 [denshi]

umm.... today?

19:43:00 [denshi]

I'm writing mod_db right now

19:43:47 [denshi]

it's ripped heavily from nsd; it's the db connection pooling, but language neutral so I can use it for mod_scheme

19:44:05 [somekaka]

killer!

19:44:11 [denshi]

is there anything I should look at in the APR whilst plumbing its depths?

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19:44:31 [somekaka]

mod_bd == the new mod_aolserver, right?

19:46:08 [somekaka]

re: APR, i would like to know how clean the code, is what kind of headstart it provides a developer and whether it's something to consider using for MOmentum

19:46:35 [somekaka]

there has been a lot of movement on the PG-hackers list about using the APR as a portability layer for PG

19:46:54 [somekaka]

(maybe the APR could even be a portability layer for nsd)

19:47:05 [denshi]

mod_db is just the db- chunk of mod_aolserver. big parts of aolserver are divorcible and useful elsewhere.

19:47:26 [denshi]

is there a particular thread on pg-hacker?

19:47:43 [somekaka]

there's a long friggin' thread that's been going on for the past couple of days

19:47:50 [somekaka]

also, marc fournier was posting on the APR list today

19:49:10 [somekaka]

the question for the APR is whether it's flexible enough to give the developer access to other libraries and tools as well

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19:55:16 [denshi]

that's a pretty extensive thread on pg-hackers

19:55:51 [denshi]

did you see the schema status report?

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[GlobalNotice] Hi all. Just a reminder. OPN is in urgent need of new, reliable servers for our main rotation. We're in particular need of public leaf servers on T3 or better. Actual bandwidth requirements are considerably lower, and can be found along with requirements on http://openprojects.net/sponsoring_servers.shtml . If you're interesting in helping, please take a look and email me at lilo@openprojects.net! Thanks.

20:14:56 [somekaka]

what is the right ocmmand to bunzip2 a kernel source? bunzip2 -vsf kernel?

20:17:29 [denshi]

bunzip2 --stdout | tar -xf

20:17:31 [denshi]

or

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tar xfI kernel.tar.bz2

20:18:10 [somekaka]

ok, thanks

20:18:14 [denshi]

and the first should be 'bunzip2 --stdout kernel.tar.bz2 | tar -xf'

20:18:28 [somekaka]

i just did a bunzip kernel-foo.tar.bz2

20:19:12 [cro]

You can also do tar --bzip2 -xvf kernel.tar.bz2

20:19:20 [cro]

At least on recent versions of tar

20:19:35 [somekaka]

ah, cool, thanks cro

20:19:44 [denshi]

tar is going to melt under the weight of its switches.

20:19:51 [cro]

no kididng

20:20:11 [somekaka]

for debian, does it make sense to build the kernel from source or to just use the images?

20:20:39 [cro]

I used to build from source all the time, now I use the kernel package system.

20:20:50 [somekaka]

yeah, i'm going to use the package system

20:21:20 [cro]

make-kpkg --revision=foo-rev-1 kernel_image rocks.

20:29:11 [somekaka]

if i don't know what my sound card is, does anyone have any suggetsions for what to put in the kernel other than all the friggin choices?

20:29:46 [cro]

You could build them all as modules.

20:30:01 [cro]

I think--I haven't used audio on Linux for a long time.

20:30:44 [somekaka]

ah, ok

20:31:27 [somekaka]

cro: the others will kill me with my parroting, but you may have noticed that the PG-hackers list has been chatting about using the Apache Portable Runtime to get stronger portability for PG

20:31:32 [somekaka]

native compile on Win, that is

20:32:32 [cro]

really? I don't follow pg-hackers...at my real job we are an Oracle shop.

20:33:03 [somekaka]

ah

20:33:04 [cro]

That is interesting, though...I'm a little excited about the APR.

20:33:16 [somekaka]

yeah, tell me about it :)

20:33:38 [somekaka]

i'm trying to start this project called Momentum (http://www.museatech.net/faq/momentum) and i'm advocating building it on top of the APR

20:34:28 [cro]

Whoa, that's a tall order there; if you guys pull that off you'll have the Open Source world beating a path to your door.

20:35:10 [somekaka]

yeah, i think we're in decent shape on it, though

20:35:32 [somekaka]

there's libical which has done a lot of the work so far http://www.softwarestudio.org/libical

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[GlobalNotice] Services is back, we've reverted to the backup as of: May 7 18:30 UTC...it's currently 22:18. We'll be on the lookout for further problems. Thanks for your patience.

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has anyone apt-got openoffice?

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