00:07:17 markd2 has quit ("wheeeee") 00:07:48 thedocwolf (~nematode@adsl-63-199-231.mia.bellsouth.net) has joined #openacs 00:10:26 docwolf has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:29:44 moo? 00:29:44 moo Weekendophylax, glad to see you back! 00:29:52 hi Weekendophylax 00:29:56 Sup Dave 00:30:18 davb_ (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 00:30:21 davb_ has quit (Client Quit) 00:31:43 Who are you? 00:31:49 We are the Knights that say Nee! 00:35:24 paje, attack! 00:35:24 * paje bites Mark's ankle 00:37:07 mooooo 00:37:12 oom! 00:37:15 paje, moo? 00:37:15 moo thedocwolf, glad to see you back! 00:37:24 that paje is one smart parrot 00:42:19 * rbm sighs 00:42:54 I have to purchase 2 Pocket Quicken licenses to be able to use it in my 2 handhelds 00:53:31 you need pocket gnucash 00:54:40 Roberto, how was your graduation? 00:55:27 yay 00:55:30 no work tomorrow :-D 01:09:19 GEM_ (~mcmullan@MULTICS.MIT.EDU) has joined #openacs 01:09:50 Weekendophylax: It was great. 01:09:58 davb: Is there such product? 01:10:56 Ecellent 01:11:15 I get paid wednesday :-D 01:11:16 thedocwolf has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:11:52 I have to go after Jury Duty and pick it up 01:12:45 rbm: i don't think so :) 01:13:07 Dave, i think roberto would prefer real cash over gnucash :P 01:13:32 Yes, please send me real cash anytime any of you feel like it :) 01:13:42 :D 01:14:37 i'll remember that if I ever see any. 01:14:54 I think Quicken should provide pocket quicken for free for quicken owners 01:15:05 I can't believe I am so stuck on exercise 1.3 in SICP :) 01:15:07 s/^Quicken/Intuit/ 01:15:09 rbm: yeah. 01:15:23 that would make sense. 01:15:43 But no, you have to fork extra $40 for Pocket Quicken _after_ having forked $40 for PC Quicken 01:16:11 they figure, hey, you have extra money for a PDA... 01:16:18 * rbm eyes answers.google.com 01:16:23 wait 01:16:28 you need Pocket Quicken? 01:16:29 hold on 01:18:00 rbm: you going to sign up? 01:18:13 Doh 01:18:18 I can get you MS-Money 01:18:21 lol 01:18:58 I have both Quicken (purchased it 3 years ago) and Money (got it from my bank). I was using quicken since I try not to support M$ in any way. 01:19:34 However, if I could find a Palm-based app that would synchronize with MS money and not be so stubborn as Pocket Quicken, I'd probably use it 01:19:51 davb: for what? 01:20:01 answers.google.com 01:20:12 davb: Oh, I don't know what it is really. Just saw the add on google. 01:20:13 you can answer questions and get paid. 01:20:17 oh really? 01:20:35 yes. between $4-$50 01:21:34 PocketMoney costs $30 for the first copy and they have a "family special" where you can purchase a second copy for $20 01:21:44 PocketQuicken costs $40 01:26:09 Hmmm, PocketQuicken has some nifty "Synchronize transactions" through IR options 01:27:48 talli has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01:28:19 Oh yeah 01:28:25 Happy Cinco de Mayo! 01:30:36 ok. i completed exercise 1.3 but it's ugly. 01:30:38 Dave 01:30:41 how does that work 01:30:45 answers? 01:30:51 you answer people's questions and if you're right they give you money? 01:31:04 kinda. just read it. http://answers.google.com 01:31:42 talli (~chatzilla@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 01:32:00 Shweet 01:32:05 rbm: http://www.appgen.com/ 01:32:12 more money for Roberto :) 01:35:59 that looks cool. 01:36:28 talli: ??? 01:36:42 it's an accounting package that runs on Linux 01:36:52 and windows and OSX 01:41:19 I already have 2 for a desktop. I want one that will talk to the desktop but run on the palm 01:43:11 ah, ok 01:43:26 well, this one works natively on Linux, so i thought you might be interetsed 01:44:33 I've seen ads for it on Linux Journal 01:50:49 if only gnu cash worked on windows 01:53:26 does GNU cash work on Linux? 01:53:53 is it stable? 01:54:00 rbm: have you used it? 01:55:22 rbm: do you think it would take a massive effort to make GNUcash available through OACS? 02:15:23 davb is now known as davb-beach 02:15:47 davb-beach is now known as davb 02:16:41 talli: GNU Cash is pretty stable. The only thing I dislike about it is that it depends on something like 32 libraries. 02:17:11 holy moly 02:17:24 talli: GNU Cash exports and imports .qif files. There are libraries to parse qif files and making that exposed to OACS wouldn't be trivial, but wouldn't be too hard I think 02:17:35 i see 02:17:51 You could also look at the bonobo stuff, since it hooks up to it I think 02:17:57 it would be a big win if we were able to provide a framework for AOCS to work with accounting tools 02:18:04 roberto@brasileiro:/usr/local/src/debian/irmp3$ apt-cache show gnucash 02:18:10 but not if it recquired 64 libraries 02:18:11 Depends: bonobo (>= 1.0.19), gdk-imlib1, libart2 (>= 1.2.13-5), libaudiofile0 (>= 0.2.3-4), libbonobo2 (>= 1.0.19), libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), libdb3 (>= 3.2.9-1), libesd0 (>= 0.2.23-1) | libesd-alsa0 (>= 0.2.23-1), libfreetype6, libgal19 (>= 0.19), libgdk-pixbuf-gnome2 (>= 0.16.0-1), libgdk-pixbuf2 (>= 0.16.0-1), libghttp1 (>= 1.0.9-8), libglade-gnome0, libglade0, libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0), libgnome32 (>= 1.2.13-5), libgnomeprint15 (>= 0.29-1), libgnomesupport0 (>= 1.2.13- 02:18:23 libgtk1.2 (>= 1.2.10-4), libgtkhtml20 (>= 1.0.1), libguile9 (>= 1:1.4-22), libguppi16, libgwrapguile1, libltdl3, liboaf0 (>= 0.6.7), liborbit0 (>= 0.5.13), libpopt0 (>= 1.6.2-1), libwrap0, libxml1 (>= 1:1.8.14-3), libzvt2 (>= 1.4.1.3-3), oaf (>= 0.6.7), xlibs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), libwww-perl, slib, guile1.4, guile1.4-slib, perl, libfinance-quote-perl, libdate-manip-perl 02:19:19 accounting programs are so complex that i'm not surprised that it recquires so many libraries 02:19:23 talli: I think it exports XML files too 02:19:44 however, i looked at some of their docs and they were like, "this package is written in perl, this one in guile, this one in python, etc..." 02:22:12 rbm: SQL-Ledger would probably be easier to connect to 02:22:32 talli: Yeah. 02:23:00 talli and rbm: you need a service contract :) 02:23:34 for SQL-Ledger or for rbm and my love's to be complete? 02:23:45 davb: I don't even have a contract, much less a service contract :) 02:23:50 heh 02:24:29 * talli needs some sexual contact, screw the service contract 02:41:12 talli: Just got two more people interested in Momentum 02:41:40 nice! 02:41:53 i'm no longer advocating building it in C, btw 02:42:09 that would be my prefernce, but people seem to be scared shitless of C 02:42:29 Oh. What are you thinking of now? 02:42:41 python, i guess 02:42:45 It's got to be a compiled language to be a daemon. 02:43:25 well, that's what i figure 02:43:39 but maybe we'll build the prototype in Python and then push for C 02:43:50 Can you imagine what would happen if every daemon in your system was written in an interpreted language? 02:43:54 there are just some afraid of building a C app and then working on it for two years 02:44:11 rbm: that's my attitude 02:44:28 GEM_ is now known as GEM 02:44:34 also, i think it's critical to support multiple scripting languages 02:44:44 Writing C is surely much harder than Python, but it's not that bad if you observe some guidelines 02:44:53 rbm: *grin* what, you don't think that we should have vmunix.elc? :-) 02:44:57 some have advocated supporting various languages via XML-RPC and SOAP, which is a good idea 02:45:29 talli: Support for scripting languages will surely come if we write good, clean C code. 02:45:37 yes, that's what i think 02:45:45 GEM: :) 02:45:45 Label GEM not found. 02:45:57 oacs-chump: Nobody asked you anything 02:45:57 Not understood: Nobody asked you anything 02:45:58 what is rjr/duster's real name? 02:46:12 gotta fix that. 02:46:25 over at #swhack, their chump takes two :s 02:48:30 Anybody has a P2-class case that you are willing to dispose of? 03:04:42 hey rbm, mind coming in to #momentum to chat with the guy who's chiefly against C? he's very nice, but i'm not able to produce a strong enough argument why a python daemon wouldn't be a good idea. i'm too clueless 03:13:03 talli just tell him you're the boss and what you say goes no ifs ands or buts 03:13:08 :-D 03:13:15 i'm no donb 03:13:24 i'd be happy to do that, but i can't back it up 03:21:22 goodnight 03:21:55 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 03:36:36 talli is now known as barstool 03:57:56 barstool: Sorry, just got back 03:58:05 is the anti-C guy still there? 04:00:21 * rbm goes back to studying for th GRE 04:02:20 barstool: Writing in Python would be nice, but if I were running a server I wouldn't want an interpreter for each daemon I'm running. 04:03:04 Yes, coding in Python is easier, faster, much less error-prone, better-looking. But you pay a price for all that. 05:20:54 denshi (toddg@linux155.ma.utexas.edu) has joined #openacs 05:21:47 hello, crackmonkeys. 05:22:54 paje, seen rbm? 05:22:54 rbm was last seen on #openacs 1 hours, 19 minutes and 50 seconds ago, saying: Yes, coding in Python is easier, faster, much less error-prone, better-looking. But you pay a price for all that. [Sun May 5 22:03:46 2002] 05:43:37 denshi has quit ("denshi has no reason") 12:38:30 am atlantik 12:43:34 zap (~zapp@adsl-34-53-191.mia.bellsouth.net) has joined #openacs 12:44:08 zap is now known as docwolfd 12:44:11 docwolfd is now known as docwolf 12:47:21 davb (~dave@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 12:47:27 davb has quit (Client Quit) 12:48:14 davb (~chatzilla@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 12:50:42 moo? 12:50:43 moo davb, glad to see you back! 13:13:02 oom 13:13:15 * Weekendophylax enjoys not worrying about rushing to work today 13:39:46 Hi Weekendophylax. 13:52:33 davb has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.6 [Mozilla rv:1.0rc1/20020417]") 14:02:05 davb (~chatzilla@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 14:11:23 Morning 14:13:57 Format now..or format later 14:21:30 beep? 14:41:53 beep 14:43:34 :) 14:45:03 I'm watching some funked up movie about some psycho britch that goes nuts and kills people 14:45:43 wuzza wazza? 14:46:39 shweet 14:46:44 she's gonna kill someone else 14:50:57 ah.....interesting.... 14:51:20 yeah yeah yeah, she's gonna push him in the hole 14:51:23 there he goes 14:51:50 Weekendophylax: do you know which secret setting I need to check to get XP to log onto a windows 2000 domain? 14:52:12 Weekendophylax is now known as Jurorphylax 14:52:23 Some networking stuff 14:52:34 I don't have XP set up to log into a domain 14:52:48 but i think it's in the "right click" on My computer stuff 14:52:54 add the computer to the domain 14:54:00 Right clic on my computer-->Properties-->Computer Name-->Network ID or Change work 14:54:15 What's the dress code for Jury duty lol 14:54:41 cut-offs and a "wife-beater" T-shirt, of course. 14:54:42 it says no shorts, tank tops, t shirts, no sweat suits 14:55:05 by no t-shirts does this mean I have to wear a friggin dress shirt? 14:55:25 i think if you dress up in mid-90's "dot com" attire, you will be safe. 14:55:33 (khakis/polo shirt) 14:55:36 hehe 14:55:47 * Jurorphylax rummages through his closet for a .gone outfit 14:56:12 it says nothing about jeans 14:58:36 I'd much rather have the judge/executioner position 15:00:15 like i'm gonna get picked anyway going around saying "The cop is always! right..." and "He's guilty I tell you...guiiiiiltyyyyy!!!" 15:04:01 thanks Jurorphylax 15:04:29 For what? 15:04:36 that tip. 15:04:57 ? 15:05:07 hOw not to get picked for jury duty? 15:05:14 nah, windows xp 15:05:24 oh 15:06:07 i'm gonna run to the post office and CompUSA 15:06:15 actually ChumpUSA :) 15:06:33 bbl I hope 15:28:40 starets (~starets@home.clickvision.com) has joined #openacs 15:29:24 hi starets 15:30:02 Ahoy! 15:30:28 I must applaud this Peruvian congressman. He rocks. 15:30:29 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25157.html 15:30:30 A: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25157.html from rbm 15:31:11 yep. 15:31:20 I skimmed the letter and it was nice, but has anyone seen anything to indicate that it's for real? The arguments look awfully well put-together for something written by a politician and translated into English. 15:31:27 A:| Peruvian Congressman kicks Microsoft's butt 15:31:27 titled item A 15:31:45 true. 15:31:48 starets: I'm reading it in its entirety 15:32:09 * starets is short on time today 15:32:10 whether or not its true, all free software advocates should use it as a template :) 15:32:57 I think the ideas are sound, I just don't want to be caught quoting a fictitious creation (like all the spammers who assure me that their notes cannot be considered spam under the recent bill...) 15:33:01 If this congressman wrote the bill, he'd be qualified to write such letter. In fact, he probably predicted he'd have to write such letter when he was preparing the bill. 15:33:06 btw, this optical logitech mouse works great. 15:33:17 got the cordless? 15:33:19 His bill is very similar to the one that is in Brazil's congress right now. 15:33:33 nope. it came with this gateway computer :) 15:33:41 ah. 15:33:43 I am planning on the cordless for home. 15:33:59 rbm: is that a real bill? (peru that is) 15:34:08 i got the cordless and loved it while I had it, but it had no drivers and Mac OS X had no way to switch the buttons for southpaws. 15:34:31 * davb wonders about linux drivers... 15:34:45 * starets hopes davb isn't left-handed. 15:34:50 nope. 15:35:01 although i sometimes switch, but use the buttons the same. 15:35:29 I can use a mouse with either hand as long as the main button is under my index finger; I'm better with the left, though. 15:35:32 * davb goes outside 15:35:47 the big blue room is bright and warm today. 15:37:46 Anyone have an openacs-driven site with a moderately complex layout? What's a typical time to generate a page? 15:41:03 davb: I think it is. I'll find out as soon as I finish reading it (I'm almost done) 15:46:38 davb: This guy is a real congressman according to the Peruvian congress website 15:58:07 cool 15:59:15 heh 15:59:16 they let me do it 15:59:43 did you pull one over on compusa? 16:00:14 starets: my pages don't usually take more then 2 secs, but they are not that complex. 16:00:46 I ran dotlrn to test it out, and it was still pretty responsive. and that was taking data from a bunch of different packages for each page. 16:01:05 nope 16:01:14 I did take pics with their camera though 16:01:23 cool. 16:01:29 hey guys 16:01:31 barstool is now known as talli 16:01:41 paje, get up 16:01:41 * paje get off of barstool 16:01:53 thanks, Jurorphylax 16:02:46 :) 16:02:48 I'm sold 16:02:54 looks like i'm going to be spending 500$ 16:03:00 The zoom on the camera is awesome 16:04:13 which one? 16:04:16 hi talli 16:04:36 vs. full zoom on the "The Low Price sign" 16:05:09 That is considerably impressive 16:05:10 is rbm around today? 16:05:13 hey davb 16:05:18 he was around here this morning 16:05:41 Jurorphylax: that is pretty good. which camera is it? 16:06:51 hey talli 16:06:57 hey rbm 16:07:03 Olympus C-2100 UltraZoom 16:07:05 hey there 16:07:08 you mentioned you got a couple of other people interested in momentum 16:07:14 cool. it that the SLRish one? 16:07:19 who were they? are they good hackers? what are they into? 16:07:30 talli: They are more user-type 16:07:53 ah, that's ok too! 16:08:03 we need high level and user requirements 16:08:12 and evangelists 16:09:04 yes it's the SLRish one 16:09:09 what are their names? 16:10:17 it's odd as they sell the camera for 450$ on their website and 500$ at their store 16:15:59 docwolf has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:16:07 Dam nit 16:16:14 sux living in NY with it's high tax rates 16:16:23 If I lived in NJ I would have gotten 20$ off the camera 16:16:41 really? 16:17:00 yup 16:17:18 If my friend Scott got it...it would be 481$ 16:17:18 order from a vendor out of state :) 16:17:18 if I get it it's like 491 16:17:29 paje 491-481 16:17:30 10 16:17:31 :) 16:17:48 paje, botsnack 16:17:48 thanks Jurorphylax :) 16:17:59 that is for the priviliege of living in this great state! 16:18:05 paje, I sentence you to a life of being the channel bot 16:18:05 Jurorphylax: i'm not following you... 16:18:30 that's probably a good thing as I was headed to the bathroom 16:18:41 time to restore from backup, one of our tables in access mysteriously disapperaed 16:19:12 I'm set 16:19:24 I got a bottle of vodka and a bottle of southern comfort 16:20:09 That'll keep me drunk for a long time 16:20:38 starets has quit ("User disconnected") 16:21:13 davb2 (~chatzilla@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 16:21:23 hi from windows xp 16:21:29 davb2 has quit (Client Quit) 16:26:02 lol 16:39:13 be back later 16:43:35 talli has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.5 [Mozilla rv:0.9.7/20011221]") 16:44:43 talli (~chatzilla@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 17:00:21 talli is now known as tallihome 17:23:52 donb (~donb@dsl-dhogaza.pacifier.net) has joined #openacs 17:29:26 donb has quit ("changing universes") 17:33:54 davb has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:48:29 talli (~talli@xd84b5c59.ip.ggn.net) has joined #openacs 17:52:47 davb2 (~chatzilla@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 17:55:02 davb2 is now known as davb 18:46:49 davb has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.6 [Mozilla rv:1.0rc1/20020417]") 18:54:43 davb (~chatzilla@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 19:19:16 has anyone managed to install KDE3 on debian? 19:19:26 how did you do it, if you have? 19:22:03 talli: there aren't KDE 3 packages yet I think 19:24:12 talli has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:28:00 davb has changed the topic to: OpenACS | Free Web Toolkit | "Remember the upgrade scripts" 19:31:37 markd2 (~Snak@h166-102-041-056.ip.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 19:32:05 * markd2 prefers to remember the a la mode 19:32:25 talli (~talli@xd84b5c59.ip.ggn.net) has joined #openacs 19:37:13 http://www.gnu.org.pe/carta1.html 19:37:14 B: http://www.gnu.org.pe/carta1.html from davb 19:38:12 davb: i'm using xfce now 19:38:15 it's pretty cool 19:38:44 B: original letter from MS to DR. EDGAR DAVID VILLANUEVA NU�EZ, Peru 19:38:47 added comment B1 19:38:49 I like it because it is fast, and does exactly what I need and nothing extra. 19:39:42 yeah 19:40:00 although i would like a bit more of a application list 19:40:32 right click on the desktop, I think you can bring up menus. 19:41:18 or left click maybe... 19:41:18 ah, you can 19:41:18 thanks 19:44:21 davb: have you tried lyx? 19:44:37 it's got a docbook template that comes outof the box! 19:45:56 LyX rocks! 19:46:12 i'm going to try it out as a main word processor 19:46:35 i was looking for sometihng that would let me use docbook with a bit more WYSIWIG/M-ness 19:47:01 what you see is what I get? 19:47:20 maybe it's some weird physics thing, being divided by mass 19:47:26 but I thought you were in New York... 19:47:37 whoops 19:47:57 * talli thanks God for giving him markd2 to keep talli in line 19:48:31 windows xp keeps trying to play a cd, even though I don't have one... 19:48:41 talli:i haven't tried it. 19:49:09 But I have looked at the web site :) 19:50:15 the kids in the local LUG like LyX 19:54:17 paje has quit ("regrouping; bbiab") 19:59:18 zzzirk (~lzirkel@dsl081-018-127.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #openacs 20:00:26 hi zzzirk 20:00:30 howdy 20:00:39 it's been awhile since I've stopped by these parts 20:04:43 hello 20:19:53 nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo^to infinity 20:20:00 http://radio.weblogs.com/0103807/stories/2002/04/15/marketingSoftwareWhenYouAreASmallCompany.html 20:20:00 C: http://radio.weblogs.com/0103807/stories/2002/04/15/marketingSoftwareWhenYouAreASmallCompany.html from davb 20:20:14 * Jurorphylax hangs his head 20:20:16 C:|Marketing Software When You Are a Small Company 20:20:18 titled item C 20:20:26 Jurorphylax is now known as UnhappyJurophyla 20:20:31 UnhappyJurophyla is now known as UnhappyJurophylx 20:20:47 * UnhappyJurophylx weeps 20:21:02 :( 20:21:17 I was chosen 20:21:22 and this is a special case 20:21:39 You know how long this case is going to be for? 20:22:38 I suspect a long time. 20:23:02 is this case so special you shouldn't be telling us any of it online? 20:23:24 SIX MONTHS33 20:23:46 I can't talk about the case but I can complain about the servitude! 20:23:56 christ 20:23:58 6 months 20:24:00 that is a while 20:24:06 do you get paid for those 6 months? 20:24:13 what happens if you have a Real Job? 20:24:14 yeah 40$ a day 20:24:31 its not every day is it? 20:24:32 paje, 40 * 5 * 4 * 6 20:24:41 I don't know, but I think we'll find out after I tell my boss I'll be out for 6 months 20:24:43 no paje! 20:24:46 LOL 20:24:49 paje is a retard 20:24:53 that's $4800! 20:24:59 think of the mobos you could get for that 20:25:01 dave, it's not every day so I can make up for it 20:25:17 free food? 20:25:18 Mark, it's from the government 20:25:22 "will serve on grand jury for food" 20:25:27 You know how slow NYS government works? 20:25:46 Dave, you need to explain to mark that NYS gov. crawls slower than a snail on a frying pan 20:25:55