IRC log of openacs on 2002-05-06

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00:29:44 [Weekendophylax]
moo?
00:29:44 [paje]
moo Weekendophylax, glad to see you back!
00:29:52 [davb]
hi Weekendophylax
00:29:56 [Weekendophylax]
Sup Dave
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00:31:43 [Weekendophylax]
Who are you?
00:31:49 [Weekendophylax]
We are the Knights that say Nee!
00:35:24 [Weekendophylax]
paje, attack!
00:35:24 [paje]
* paje bites Mark's ankle
00:37:07 [thedocwolf]
mooooo
00:37:12 [Weekendophylax]
oom!
00:37:15 [thedocwolf]
paje, moo?
00:37:15 [paje]
moo thedocwolf, glad to see you back!
00:37:24 [thedocwolf]
that paje is one smart parrot
00:42:19 [rbm]
* rbm sighs
00:42:54 [rbm]
I have to purchase 2 Pocket Quicken licenses to be able to use it in my 2 handhelds
00:53:31 [davb]
you need pocket gnucash
00:54:40 [Weekendophylax]
Roberto, how was your graduation?
00:55:27 [Weekendophylax]
yay
00:55:30 [Weekendophylax]
no work tomorrow :-D
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01:09:50 [rbm]
Weekendophylax: It was great.
01:09:58 [rbm]
davb: Is there such product?
01:10:56 [Weekendophylax]
Ecellent
01:11:15 [Weekendophylax]
I get paid wednesday :-D
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01:11:52 [Weekendophylax]
I have to go after Jury Duty and pick it up
01:12:45 [davb]
rbm: i don't think so :)
01:13:07 [Weekendophylax]
Dave, i think roberto would prefer real cash over gnucash :P
01:13:32 [rbm]
Yes, please send me real cash anytime any of you feel like it :)
01:13:42 [Weekendophylax]
:D
01:14:37 [davb]
i'll remember that if I ever see any.
01:14:54 [rbm]
I think Quicken should provide pocket quicken for free for quicken owners
01:15:05 [davb]
I can't believe I am so stuck on exercise 1.3 in SICP :)
01:15:07 [rbm]
s/^Quicken/Intuit/
01:15:09 [davb]
rbm: yeah.
01:15:23 [davb]
that would make sense.
01:15:43 [rbm]
But no, you have to fork extra $40 for Pocket Quicken _after_ having forked $40 for PC Quicken
01:16:11 [davb]
they figure, hey, you have extra money for a PDA...
01:16:18 [rbm]
* rbm eyes answers.google.com
01:16:23 [Weekendophylax]
wait
01:16:28 [Weekendophylax]
you need Pocket Quicken?
01:16:29 [Weekendophylax]
hold on
01:18:00 [davb]
rbm: you going to sign up?
01:18:13 [Weekendophylax]
Doh
01:18:18 [Weekendophylax]
I can get you MS-Money
01:18:21 [Weekendophylax]
lol
01:18:58 [rbm]
I have both Quicken (purchased it 3 years ago) and Money (got it from my bank). I was using quicken since I try not to support M$ in any way.
01:19:34 [rbm]
However, if I could find a Palm-based app that would synchronize with MS money and not be so stubborn as Pocket Quicken, I'd probably use it
01:19:51 [rbm]
davb: for what?
01:20:01 [davb]
answers.google.com
01:20:12 [rbm]
davb: Oh, I don't know what it is really. Just saw the add on google.
01:20:13 [davb]
you can answer questions and get paid.
01:20:17 [rbm]
oh really?
01:20:35 [davb]
yes. between $4-$50
01:21:34 [rbm]
PocketMoney costs $30 for the first copy and they have a "family special" where you can purchase a second copy for $20
01:21:44 [rbm]
PocketQuicken costs $40
01:26:09 [rbm]
Hmmm, PocketQuicken has some nifty "Synchronize transactions" through IR options
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01:28:19 [Weekendophylax]
Oh yeah
01:28:25 [Weekendophylax]
Happy Cinco de Mayo!
01:30:36 [davb]
ok. i completed exercise 1.3 but it's ugly.
01:30:38 [Weekendophylax]
Dave
01:30:41 [Weekendophylax]
how does that work
01:30:45 [davb]
answers?
01:30:51 [Weekendophylax]
you answer people's questions and if you're right they give you money?
01:31:04 [davb]
kinda. just read it. http://answers.google.com
01:31:42 [talli]
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01:32:00 [Weekendophylax]
Shweet
01:32:05 [talli]
rbm: http://www.appgen.com/
01:32:12 [Weekendophylax]
more money for Roberto :)
01:35:59 [davb]
that looks cool.
01:36:28 [rbm]
talli: ???
01:36:42 [talli]
it's an accounting package that runs on Linux
01:36:52 [talli]
and windows and OSX
01:41:19 [rbm]
I already have 2 for a desktop. I want one that will talk to the desktop but run on the palm
01:43:11 [talli]
ah, ok
01:43:26 [talli]
well, this one works natively on Linux, so i thought you might be interetsed
01:44:33 [rbm]
I've seen ads for it on Linux Journal
01:50:49 [rbm]
if only gnu cash worked on windows
01:53:26 [talli]
does GNU cash work on Linux?
01:53:53 [talli]
is it stable?
01:54:00 [talli]
rbm: have you used it?
01:55:22 [talli]
rbm: do you think it would take a massive effort to make GNUcash available through OACS?
02:15:23 [davb]
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02:16:41 [rbm]
talli: GNU Cash is pretty stable. The only thing I dislike about it is that it depends on something like 32 libraries.
02:17:11 [talli]
holy moly
02:17:24 [rbm]
talli: GNU Cash exports and imports .qif files. There are libraries to parse qif files and making that exposed to OACS wouldn't be trivial, but wouldn't be too hard I think
02:17:35 [talli]
i see
02:17:51 [rbm]
You could also look at the bonobo stuff, since it hooks up to it I think
02:17:57 [talli]
it would be a big win if we were able to provide a framework for AOCS to work with accounting tools
02:18:04 [rbm]
roberto@brasileiro:/usr/local/src/debian/irmp3$ apt-cache show gnucash
02:18:10 [talli]
but not if it recquired 64 libraries
02:18:11 [rbm]
Depends: bonobo (>= 1.0.19), gdk-imlib1, libart2 (>= 1.2.13-5), libaudiofile0 (>= 0.2.3-4), libbonobo2 (>= 1.0.19), libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), libdb3 (>= 3.2.9-1), libesd0 (>= 0.2.23-1) | libesd-alsa0 (>= 0.2.23-1), libfreetype6, libgal19 (>= 0.19), libgdk-pixbuf-gnome2 (>= 0.16.0-1), libgdk-pixbuf2 (>= 0.16.0-1), libghttp1 (>= 1.0.9-8), libglade-gnome0, libglade0, libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0), libgnome32 (>= 1.2.13-5), libgnomeprint15 (>= 0.29-1), libgnomesupport0 (>= 1.2.13-
02:18:23 [rbm]
libgtk1.2 (>= 1.2.10-4), libgtkhtml20 (>= 1.0.1), libguile9 (>= 1:1.4-22), libguppi16, libgwrapguile1, libltdl3, liboaf0 (>= 0.6.7), liborbit0 (>= 0.5.13), libpopt0 (>= 1.6.2-1), libwrap0, libxml1 (>= 1:1.8.14-3), libzvt2 (>= 1.4.1.3-3), oaf (>= 0.6.7), xlibs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), libwww-perl, slib, guile1.4, guile1.4-slib, perl, libfinance-quote-perl, libdate-manip-perl
02:19:19 [talli]
accounting programs are so complex that i'm not surprised that it recquires so many libraries
02:19:23 [rbm]
talli: I think it exports XML files too
02:19:44 [talli]
however, i looked at some of their docs and they were like, "this package is written in perl, this one in guile, this one in python, etc..."
02:22:12 [talli]
rbm: SQL-Ledger would probably be easier to connect to
02:22:32 [rbm]
talli: Yeah.
02:23:00 [davb]
talli and rbm: you need a service contract :)
02:23:34 [talli]
for SQL-Ledger or for rbm and my love's to be complete?
02:23:45 [rbm]
davb: I don't even have a contract, much less a service contract :)
02:23:50 [davb]
heh
02:24:29 [talli]
* talli needs some sexual contact, screw the service contract
02:41:12 [rbm]
talli: Just got two more people interested in Momentum
02:41:40 [talli]
nice!
02:41:53 [talli]
i'm no longer advocating building it in C, btw
02:42:09 [talli]
that would be my prefernce, but people seem to be scared shitless of C
02:42:29 [rbm]
Oh. What are you thinking of now?
02:42:41 [talli]
python, i guess
02:42:45 [rbm]
It's got to be a compiled language to be a daemon.
02:43:25 [talli]
well, that's what i figure
02:43:39 [talli]
but maybe we'll build the prototype in Python and then push for C
02:43:50 [rbm]
Can you imagine what would happen if every daemon in your system was written in an interpreted language?
02:43:54 [talli]
there are just some afraid of building a C app and then working on it for two years
02:44:11 [talli]
rbm: that's my attitude
02:44:28 [GEM_]
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02:44:34 [talli]
also, i think it's critical to support multiple scripting languages
02:44:44 [rbm]
Writing C is surely much harder than Python, but it's not that bad if you observe some guidelines
02:44:53 [GEM]
rbm: *grin* what, you don't think that we should have vmunix.elc? :-)
02:44:57 [talli]
some have advocated supporting various languages via XML-RPC and SOAP, which is a good idea
02:45:29 [rbm]
talli: Support for scripting languages will surely come if we write good, clean C code.
02:45:37 [talli]
yes, that's what i think
02:45:45 [rbm]
GEM: :)
02:45:45 [oacs-chump]
Label GEM not found.
02:45:57 [rbm]
oacs-chump: Nobody asked you anything
02:45:57 [oacs-chump]
Not understood: Nobody asked you anything
02:45:58 [talli]
what is rjr/duster's real name?
02:46:12 [davb]
gotta fix that.
02:46:25 [davb]
over at #swhack, their chump takes two :s
02:48:30 [rbm]
Anybody has a P2-class case that you are willing to dispose of?
03:04:42 [talli]
hey rbm, mind coming in to #momentum to chat with the guy who's chiefly against C? he's very nice, but i'm not able to produce a strong enough argument why a python daemon wouldn't be a good idea. i'm too clueless
03:13:03 [Weekendophylax]
talli just tell him you're the boss and what you say goes no ifs ands or buts
03:13:08 [Weekendophylax]
:-D
03:13:15 [talli]
i'm no donb
03:13:24 [talli]
i'd be happy to do that, but i can't back it up
03:21:22 [davb]
goodnight
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03:57:56 [rbm]
barstool: Sorry, just got back
03:58:05 [rbm]
is the anti-C guy still there?
04:00:21 [rbm]
* rbm goes back to studying for th GRE
04:02:20 [rbm]
barstool: Writing in Python would be nice, but if I were running a server I wouldn't want an interpreter for each daemon I'm running.
04:03:04 [rbm]
Yes, coding in Python is easier, faster, much less error-prone, better-looking. But you pay a price for all that.
05:20:54 [denshi]
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hello, crackmonkeys.
05:22:54 [denshi]
paje, seen rbm?
05:22:54 [paje]
rbm was last seen on #openacs 1 hours, 19 minutes and 50 seconds ago, saying: Yes, coding in Python is easier, faster, much less error-prone, better-looking. But you pay a price for all that. [Sun May 5 22:03:46 2002]
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12:38:30 [djg]
am atlantik
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12:50:42 [davb]
moo?
12:50:43 [paje]
moo davb, glad to see you back!
13:13:02 [Weekendophylax]
oom
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* Weekendophylax enjoys not worrying about rushing to work today
13:39:46 [davb]
Hi Weekendophylax.
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14:11:23 [Weekendophylax]
Morning
14:13:57 [Weekendophylax]
Format now..or format later
14:21:30 [Weekendophylax]
beep?
14:41:53 [davb]
beep
14:43:34 [Weekendophylax]
:)
14:45:03 [Weekendophylax]
I'm watching some funked up movie about some psycho britch that goes nuts and kills people
14:45:43 [Weekendophylax]
wuzza wazza?
14:46:39 [Weekendophylax]
shweet
14:46:44 [Weekendophylax]
she's gonna kill someone else
14:50:57 [davb]
ah.....interesting....
14:51:20 [Weekendophylax]
yeah yeah yeah, she's gonna push him in the hole
14:51:23 [Weekendophylax]
there he goes
14:51:50 [davb]
Weekendophylax: do you know which secret setting I need to check to get XP to log onto a windows 2000 domain?
14:52:12 [Weekendophylax]
Weekendophylax is now known as Jurorphylax
14:52:23 [Jurorphylax]
Some networking stuff
14:52:34 [Jurorphylax]
I don't have XP set up to log into a domain
14:52:48 [Jurorphylax]
but i think it's in the "right click" on My computer stuff
14:52:54 [Jurorphylax]
add the computer to the domain
14:54:00 [Jurorphylax]
Right clic on my computer-->Properties-->Computer Name-->Network ID or Change work
14:54:15 [Jurorphylax]
What's the dress code for Jury duty lol
14:54:41 [docwolf]
cut-offs and a "wife-beater" T-shirt, of course.
14:54:42 [Jurorphylax]
it says no shorts, tank tops, t shirts, no sweat suits
14:55:05 [Jurorphylax]
by no t-shirts does this mean I have to wear a friggin dress shirt?
14:55:25 [docwolf]
i think if you dress up in mid-90's "dot com" attire, you will be safe.
14:55:33 [docwolf]
(khakis/polo shirt)
14:55:36 [Jurorphylax]
hehe
14:55:47 [Jurorphylax]
* Jurorphylax rummages through his closet for a .gone outfit
14:56:12 [Jurorphylax]
it says nothing about jeans
14:58:36 [Jurorphylax]
I'd much rather have the judge/executioner position
15:00:15 [Jurorphylax]
like i'm gonna get picked anyway going around saying "The cop is always! right..." and "He's guilty I tell you...guiiiiiltyyyyy!!!"
15:04:01 [davb]
thanks Jurorphylax
15:04:29 [Jurorphylax]
For what?
15:04:36 [davb]
that tip.
15:04:57 [Jurorphylax]
?
15:05:07 [Jurorphylax]
hOw not to get picked for jury duty?
15:05:14 [davb]
nah, windows xp
15:05:24 [Jurorphylax]
oh
15:06:07 [Jurorphylax]
i'm gonna run to the post office and CompUSA
15:06:15 [Jurorphylax]
actually ChumpUSA :)
15:06:33 [Jurorphylax]
bbl I hope
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15:29:24 [davb]
hi starets
15:30:02 [starets]
Ahoy!
15:30:28 [rbm]
I must applaud this Peruvian congressman. He rocks.
15:30:29 [rbm]
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25157.html
15:30:30 [oacs-chump]
A: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25157.html from rbm
15:31:11 [davb]
yep.
15:31:20 [starets]
I skimmed the letter and it was nice, but has anyone seen anything to indicate that it's for real? The arguments look awfully well put-together for something written by a politician and translated into English.
15:31:27 [rbm]
A:| Peruvian Congressman kicks Microsoft's butt
15:31:27 [oacs-chump]
titled item A
15:31:45 [davb]
true.
15:31:48 [rbm]
starets: I'm reading it in its entirety
15:32:09 [starets]
* starets is short on time today
15:32:10 [davb]
whether or not its true, all free software advocates should use it as a template :)
15:32:57 [starets]
I think the ideas are sound, I just don't want to be caught quoting a fictitious creation (like all the spammers who assure me that their notes cannot be considered spam under the recent bill...)
15:33:01 [rbm]
If this congressman wrote the bill, he'd be qualified to write such letter. In fact, he probably predicted he'd have to write such letter when he was preparing the bill.
15:33:06 [davb]
btw, this optical logitech mouse works great.
15:33:17 [starets]
got the cordless?
15:33:19 [rbm]
His bill is very similar to the one that is in Brazil's congress right now.
15:33:33 [davb]
nope. it came with this gateway computer :)
15:33:41 [starets]
ah.
15:33:43 [davb]
I am planning on the cordless for home.
15:33:59 [davb]
rbm: is that a real bill? (peru that is)
15:34:08 [starets]
i got the cordless and loved it while I had it, but it had no drivers and Mac OS X had no way to switch the buttons for southpaws.
15:34:31 [davb]
* davb wonders about linux drivers...
15:34:45 [starets]
* starets hopes davb isn't left-handed.
15:34:50 [davb]
nope.
15:35:01 [davb]
although i sometimes switch, but use the buttons the same.
15:35:29 [starets]
I can use a mouse with either hand as long as the main button is under my index finger; I'm better with the left, though.
15:35:32 [davb]
* davb goes outside
15:35:47 [starets]
the big blue room is bright and warm today.
15:37:46 [starets]
Anyone have an openacs-driven site with a moderately complex layout? What's a typical time to generate a page?
15:41:03 [rbm]
davb: I think it is. I'll find out as soon as I finish reading it (I'm almost done)
15:46:38 [rbm]
davb: This guy is a real congressman according to the Peruvian congress website
15:58:07 [davb]
cool
15:59:15 [Jurorphylax]
heh
15:59:16 [Jurorphylax]
they let me do it
15:59:43 [davb]
did you pull one over on compusa?
16:00:14 [davb]
starets: my pages don't usually take more then 2 secs, but they are not that complex.
16:00:46 [davb]
I ran dotlrn to test it out, and it was still pretty responsive. and that was taking data from a bunch of different packages for each page.
16:01:05 [Jurorphylax]
nope
16:01:14 [Jurorphylax]
I did take pics with their camera though
16:01:23 [davb]
cool.
16:01:29 [barstool]
hey guys
16:01:31 [barstool]
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16:01:41 [Jurorphylax]
paje, get up
16:01:41 [paje]
* paje get off of barstool
16:01:53 [talli]
thanks, Jurorphylax
16:02:46 [Jurorphylax]
:)
16:02:48 [Jurorphylax]
I'm sold
16:02:54 [Jurorphylax]
looks like i'm going to be spending 500$
16:03:00 [Jurorphylax]
The zoom on the camera is awesome
16:04:13 [davb]
which one?
16:04:16 [davb]
hi talli
16:04:36 [Jurorphylax]
vs. full zoom on the "The Low Price sign"
16:05:09 [Jurorphylax]
That is considerably impressive
16:05:10 [talli]
is rbm around today?
16:05:13 [talli]
hey davb
16:05:18 [Jurorphylax]
he was around here this morning
16:05:41 [davb]
Jurorphylax: that is pretty good. which camera is it?
16:06:51 [rbm]
hey talli
16:06:57 [talli]
hey rbm
16:07:03 [Jurorphylax]
Olympus C-2100 UltraZoom
16:07:05 [rbm]
hey there
16:07:08 [talli]
you mentioned you got a couple of other people interested in momentum
16:07:14 [davb]
cool. it that the SLRish one?
16:07:19 [talli]
who were they? are they good hackers? what are they into?
16:07:30 [rbm]
talli: They are more user-type
16:07:53 [talli]
ah, that's ok too!
16:08:03 [talli]
we need high level and user requirements
16:08:12 [talli]
and evangelists
16:09:04 [Jurorphylax]
yes it's the SLRish one
16:09:09 [talli]
what are their names?
16:10:17 [Jurorphylax]
it's odd as they sell the camera for 450$ on their website and 500$ at their store
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16:16:07 [Jurorphylax]
Dam nit
16:16:14 [Jurorphylax]
sux living in NY with it's high tax rates
16:16:23 [Jurorphylax]
If I lived in NJ I would have gotten 20$ off the camera
16:16:41 [davb]
really?
16:17:00 [Jurorphylax]
yup
16:17:18 [Jurorphylax]
If my friend Scott got it...it would be 481$
16:17:18 [davb]
order from a vendor out of state :)
16:17:18 [Jurorphylax]
if I get it it's like 491
16:17:29 [davb]
paje 491-481
16:17:30 [paje]
10
16:17:31 [davb]
:)
16:17:48 [Jurorphylax]
paje, botsnack
16:17:48 [paje]
thanks Jurorphylax :)
16:17:59 [davb]
that is for the priviliege of living in this great state!
16:18:05 [Jurorphylax]
paje, I sentence you to a life of being the channel bot
16:18:05 [paje]
Jurorphylax: i'm not following you...
16:18:30 [Jurorphylax]
that's probably a good thing as I was headed to the bathroom
16:18:41 [davb]
time to restore from backup, one of our tables in access mysteriously disapperaed
16:19:12 [Jurorphylax]
I'm set
16:19:24 [Jurorphylax]
I got a bottle of vodka and a bottle of southern comfort
16:20:09 [Jurorphylax]
That'll keep me drunk for a long time
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hi from windows xp
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16:26:02 [Jurorphylax]
lol
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be back later
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19:19:16 [talli]
has anyone managed to install KDE3 on debian?
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how did you do it, if you have?
19:22:03 [rbm]
talli: there aren't KDE 3 packages yet I think
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19:28:00 [davb]
davb has changed the topic to: OpenACS | Free Web Toolkit | "Remember the upgrade scripts"
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* markd2 prefers to remember the a la mode
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19:37:13 [davb]
http://www.gnu.org.pe/carta1.html
19:37:14 [oacs-chump]
B: http://www.gnu.org.pe/carta1.html from davb
19:38:12 [talli]
davb: i'm using xfce now
19:38:15 [talli]
it's pretty cool
19:38:44 [davb]
B: original letter from MS to DR. EDGAR DAVID VILLANUEVA NUÑEZ, Peru
19:38:47 [oacs-chump]
added comment B1
19:38:49 [davb]
I like it because it is fast, and does exactly what I need and nothing extra.
19:39:42 [talli]
yeah
19:40:00 [talli]
although i would like a bit more of a application list
19:40:32 [davb]
right click on the desktop, I think you can bring up menus.
19:41:18 [davb]
or left click maybe...
19:41:18 [talli]
ah, you can
19:41:18 [talli]
thanks
19:44:21 [talli]
davb: have you tried lyx?
19:44:37 [talli]
it's got a docbook template that comes outof the box!
19:45:56 [rbm]
LyX rocks!
19:46:12 [talli]
i'm going to try it out as a main word processor
19:46:35 [talli]
i was looking for sometihng that would let me use docbook with a bit more WYSIWIG/M-ness
19:47:01 [markd2]
what you see is what I get?
19:47:20 [markd2]
maybe it's some weird physics thing, being divided by mass
19:47:26 [markd2]
but I thought you were in New York...
19:47:37 [talli]
whoops
19:47:57 [talli]
* talli thanks God for giving him markd2 to keep talli in line
19:48:31 [davb]
windows xp keeps trying to play a cd, even though I don't have one...
19:48:41 [davb]
talli:i haven't tried it.
19:49:09 [davb]
But I have looked at the web site :)
19:50:15 [markd2]
the kids in the local LUG like LyX
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20:00:26 [davb]
hi zzzirk
20:00:30 [zzzirk]
howdy
20:00:39 [zzzirk]
it's been awhile since I've stopped by these parts
20:04:43 [markd2]
hello
20:19:53 [Jurorphylax]
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo^to infinity
20:20:00 [davb]
http://radio.weblogs.com/0103807/stories/2002/04/15/marketingSoftwareWhenYouAreASmallCompany.html
20:20:00 [oacs-chump]
C: http://radio.weblogs.com/0103807/stories/2002/04/15/marketingSoftwareWhenYouAreASmallCompany.html from davb
20:20:14 [Jurorphylax]
* Jurorphylax hangs his head
20:20:16 [davb]
C:|Marketing Software When You Are a Small Company
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titled item C
20:20:26 [Jurorphylax]
Jurorphylax is now known as UnhappyJurophyla
20:20:31 [UnhappyJurophyla]
UnhappyJurophyla is now known as UnhappyJurophylx
20:20:47 [UnhappyJurophylx]
* UnhappyJurophylx weeps
20:21:02 [davb]
:(
20:21:17 [UnhappyJurophylx]
I was chosen
20:21:22 [UnhappyJurophylx]
and this is a special case
20:21:39 [UnhappyJurophylx]
You know how long this case is going to be for?
20:22:38 [davb]
I suspect a long time.
20:23:02 [talli]
is this case so special you shouldn't be telling us any of it online?
20:23:24 [UnhappyJurophylx]
SIX MONTHS33
20:23:46 [UnhappyJurophylx]
I can't talk about the case but I can complain about the servitude!
20:23:56 [talli]
christ
20:23:58 [talli]
6 months
20:24:00 [talli]
that is a while
20:24:06 [markd2]
do you get paid for those 6 months?
20:24:13 [markd2]
what happens if you have a Real Job?
20:24:14 [UnhappyJurophylx]
yeah 40$ a day
20:24:31 [davb]
its not every day is it?
20:24:32 [markd2]
paje, 40 * 5 * 4 * 6
20:24:41 [UnhappyJurophylx]
I don't know, but I think we'll find out after I tell my boss I'll be out for 6 months
20:24:43 [markd2]
no paje!
20:24:46 [UnhappyJurophylx]
LOL
20:24:49 [UnhappyJurophylx]
paje is a retard
20:24:53 [markd2]
that's $4800!
20:24:59 [markd2]
think of the mobos you could get for that
20:25:01 [UnhappyJurophylx]
dave, it's not every day so I can make up for it
20:25:17 [markd2]
free food?
20:25:18 [UnhappyJurophylx]
Mark, it's from the government
20:25:22 [markd2]
"will serve on grand jury for food"
20:25:27 [UnhappyJurophylx]
You know how slow NYS government works?
20:25:46 [UnhappyJurophylx]
Dave, you need to explain to mark that NYS gov. crawls slower than a snail on a frying pan
20:25:55 [davb]
heh
20:26:01 [UnhappyJurophylx]
I suspect I'll be in my mid 40's by the time I see a dime from this
20:26:03 [davb]
someone in our office has been on for a year.
20:26:18 [davb]
they said "oh, it's going to be another six months. too bad"
20:26:23 [UnhappyJurophylx]
yep
20:26:29 [UnhappyJurophylx]
That's probably what mine will be like
20:26:48 [markd2]
but just think, you might be part of the next Bill/Monica story
20:27:43 [UnhappyJurophylx]
W00t
20:27:46 [UnhappyJurophylx]
Well, here's the kicker
20:27:52 [UnhappyJurophylx]
I volunteered
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It was a well calculated risk
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Pros: It's not every day, it's practically next to my house, August off
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Cons: Six Months
20:29:05 [UnhappyJurophylx]
Semi-pro: If I don't serve Grand Jury Duty...I'm still in Grand Jury Duty pool so I'll be summonned again within 6 months
20:29:28 [UnhappyJurophylx]
At least now once this hell is over I'm done for 4 years and I won't have Grand Jury for a long time
20:29:42 [UnhappyJurophylx]
plus
20:29:59 [UnhappyJurophylx]
23 out of 32...I had good odds! 30% chance I wasn't gonna get picked
20:30:24 [UnhappyJurophylx]
of course it gets higher with every draw but oh well...I almost won too...I got picked 21st
20:30:53 [markd2]
I haven't been called for any kind of jury duty (grand or otherwise) ever
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20:30:59 [markd2]
that's 16 years of registered voterhood
20:32:06 [UnhappyJurophylx]
are you a registered voter?
20:32:28 [UnhappyJurophylx]
Duh
20:32:36 [UnhappyJurophylx]
I can read I really can
20:32:40 [UnhappyJurophylx]
Mark, are you Demo or Rep?
20:32:49 [UnhappyJurophylx]
If you're neither you won't get picked :(
20:32:50 [markd2]
independent
20:32:52 [markd2]
heh
20:32:56 [markd2]
muahahaha
20:33:01 [markd2]
Lyndon LaRouche forever!!
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bye
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20:33:45 [UnhappyJurophylx]
yup
20:33:49 [UnhappyJurophylx]
Independents don't get picked
20:34:10 [markd2]
I usually find something rephresensible about both parties, so I don't tie my affiliations to either
20:37:13 [UnhappyJurophylx]
time to fiddle with my computer
20:41:30 [UnhappyJurophylx]
hmmm
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rbm: still around?
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21:22:32 [talli]
hey dwalker
21:22:33 [talli]
que pasa?
21:22:54 [dwalker]
hi talli
21:23:35 [dwalker]
I'm just working on ideas for improving the dns/mail system
21:23:57 [talli]
the internet's DNS/mail system or yours?
21:23:59 [dwalker]
http://www.vorteon.com/papers/spam_reduction_through_dns.html
21:24:00 [oacs-chump]
D: http://www.vorteon.com/papers/spam_reduction_through_dns.html from dwalker
21:24:03 [dwalker]
the internet's
21:24:18 [talli]
nice
21:24:46 [dwalker]
I don't like that people can use my domain as their return address without ever touching my domain
21:25:17 [dwalker]
I've been looking into email viruses that impersonate as they spread
21:26:47 [dwalker]
now I just need to convince the internet to give it a shot
21:26:57 [talli]
the internet is pretty open to new ideas
21:27:00 [talli]
;)
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especially the Whole Thing
21:27:17 [talli]
Mr. Thing is pretty easy to convince
21:27:25 [dwalker]
I'll talk to them. could you schedule an appointment for me?
21:28:19 [talli]
sure. lemme just get DARPA on the line...
21:29:19 [dwalker]
thanks
21:29:29 [talli]
np
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re all
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yo jim
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hello falafel
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hey talli
22:05:26 [talli]
everyone, meet falafel
22:05:29 [markd2]
mmmm.. falafels
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* markd2 waves
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hiya
22:05:46 [falafel]
hello everybody
22:06:01 [talli]
paje, falafel is a greasy little ball of garbanzo beans that are eaten by the sweaty and smelly people of the mediteranean
22:06:13 [talli]
paje, who is falafel?
22:06:28 [talli]
eeek!
22:06:31 [talli]
where's paje?
22:06:52 [jim]
paje: why are you not here?!
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* jim wonders why paje doesn't answer...
22:07:19 [talli]
markd2: what the frig did you do with our precious bot?
22:12:18 [markd2]
dunno
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last thing I saw was that he was 'regroping, bbl'
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not sure what he was groping
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or who
22:13:26 [talli]
probably that hot little bot he was talking to over on #botsex
22:15:57 [talli]
wow. i'm getting faster download speeds from Spain for OpenOffice than I am from the mirror in NY
22:16:18 [markd2]
the NY mirror is probably union
22:16:29 [talli]
cooper union?
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or just union?
22:16:43 [markd2]
Slow Servers Local #2812
22:16:47 [talli]
ah
22:17:29 [talli]
do they "break yous legs" and have "yous sleep wit da fishes" if you request too many files?
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22:18:07 [docwolf]
the italian mirror is uber-fast
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which is odd, b/c most things in italy don't go too quickly
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except their cars
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:)
22:18:32 [docwolf]
:-)
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sadly, most cars in italy aren't lambos
22:18:49 [zzzirk]
too true
22:19:18 [docwolf]
i was actually thinking of becoming a monk
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the last time i was in italy
22:19:34 [zzzirk]
oh?
22:19:41 [zzzirk]
you don't strike me as the monk type
22:19:42 [docwolf]
it seemed like a great deal
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:)
22:19:49 [docwolf]
rolling hills
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birds singing
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cool robes
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great food
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abstinence
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* zzzirk cheers talli
22:20:06 [docwolf]
talli: that's currently not an issue
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you tell 'im talli
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for you or for monks?
22:20:52 [docwolf]
for me, and i'm sure the monks have got something secret going on
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* zzzirk wasn't going to go there
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i'm convinced that once you join
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they take you into the basement
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and explain the "real" deal
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that everything is a front
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i bet they do
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and they have a marketing genius coordinating it all
22:21:40 [markd2]
it's your turn in the barrel
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all those wine barrels... there's got to be something else in there
22:22:49 [docwolf]
haha
22:22:56 [docwolf]
hey, i'm half milano
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i'm allowed to promote my conspiracy theories
22:23:27 [markd2]
that's where they make those great cookies!
22:25:06 [docwolf]
mmm.. milano cookie...
22:25:35 [docwolf]
i could actually go for a stella d'oro breakfast treat right about now
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did stella d'oro ever expand nationally?
22:26:56 [markd2]
never heard of it
22:27:01 [docwolf]
oh yeah
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there they are
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http://www.stelladoro.com/products/breakfast_treats.htm
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E: http://www.stelladoro.com/products/breakfast_treats.htm from docwolf
22:27:14 [markd2]
and Leechburg, PA is on the cutting edge of culinary delicacy
22:27:15 [talli]
i think this was an OACS thread once
22:27:20 [docwolf]
haha
22:27:31 [docwolf]
growing up in the bronx, i lived near the stella d'oro factory
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with a name like Leechburg, it's gotta be good
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the smell was incredible
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and they had a restaurant next to the factory
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christ almighty
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where you could cram down pasta, soprano-style
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"a taste that stimulates and lingers"
22:28:05 [docwolf]
it was mega.
22:28:07 [talli]
it's taking so long for me to make and install lyx
22:28:09 [markd2]
sounds like it should be out on #sexbot with paje
22:28:30 [markd2]
we should make the momentum install take even longer
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so folks will Appreciate The Value of Their Invested Time
22:29:30 [talli]
good idea
22:30:15 [docwolf]
where did Woz go?
22:30:27 [zzzirk]
Woz?
22:30:29 [docwolf]
why did he leave us with machines that take 2 minutes to start up?
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haha
22:30:38 [docwolf]
what happened to turning on the machine, hearing a "beep"
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and that are so friggin LOUD!!!
22:30:43 [docwolf]
and typing CALL -151
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(don't get me started on the noise...)
22:31:18 [markd2]
I dunno, it took awhile to stuff integer into the language card
22:31:43 [docwolf]
an apple //e with a 1 meg RAM charger is the height of productivity.
22:31:55 [markd2]
there were enough games that wanted the AppleSoft ROMs that I took out my integer basic ROMs
22:31:59 [docwolf]
instant on, appleworks in memory, ready to go..
22:32:10 [markd2]
nice
22:32:21 [docwolf]
what happened to applied engineering?
22:32:22 [markd2]
I just sleep my tibook
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open the lid, instant on
22:33:57 [docwolf]
I want an instant on machine, that makes no noise, holds all my apps, and feeds me stella d'oro cookies on demand.
22:34:02 [docwolf]
markd2, make it happen.
22:34:20 [markd2]
hmmm.. except for the stella d'oro, you should get an ibook
22:34:55 [docwolf]
but none of my l337 ju4r3z will run on a mac
22:35:20 [docwolf]
what the hell am i going to do with my gold edition of Locksmith ][+?
22:35:38 [markd2]
sell it on ebay
22:35:54 [docwolf]
hmm. good point.
22:36:19 [docwolf]
what was the apple //e's resolution? 640x480, right?
22:36:38 [docwolf]
i'm surprised no one has cooked up a browser for it
22:37:32 [markd2]
the //e? not 640x480
22:37:33 [markd2]
it was weird
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like 320 x 120 something
22:37:47 [talli]
yeah
22:37:55 [markd2]
the 'double hi res' doubled the horizontal pixel density, but not vertical
22:37:59 [talli]
i had to scroll a looooong time to see the whole ascii porn shot
22:38:07 [markd2]
the //gs I think was 640x480
22:39:02 [docwolf]
right.. now i remember. wing commander on the PC was 320x200, and that was a "breakthrough" in 1989.
22:39:42 [docwolf]
docwolf is now known as SunDog
22:40:01 [markd2]
there were soooo many graphics standards in PCs that day it probably was a miracle
22:40:38 [SunDog]
that game rocked.
22:41:04 [markd2]
I still hear the music for Snack Attack in my head
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haha
22:48:45 [zzzirk]
nice...
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damn, wrong channel
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hey denshi!
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welcome back!
22:52:51 [denshi]
hey talli
22:52:56 [talli]
where you been?
22:53:07 [denshi]
new house, waiting for network setup
22:53:15 [talli]
ah, cool
22:53:19 [denshi]
now completed.
22:53:45 [denshi]
meanwhile been working on the apache2 railroad.
22:53:53 [talli]
did you look at the Apache Portable Runtime when you looked apache2?
22:54:34 [denshi]
yes, but I think I don't know things well enough to recommend your momentum platform yet.
22:54:44 [talli]
ah, ok
22:54:53 [talli]
does the APR look promising?
22:55:14 [denshi]
yes
22:55:30 [denshi]
what'd I miss here in oaks-land?
22:55:48 [talli]
cool
22:55:53 [talli]
i've been trying to advocate it
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as long as it doesn't suck
22:56:37 [denshi]
it definitely doesn't suck
22:56:46 [talli]
what are your reservations?
22:57:01 [denshi]
i just haven't seen all of it yet.
22:57:09 [talli]
ah, ok
22:57:44 [denshi]
I also worry about the multi-blah backend abstraction, and I don't know how that's divided between apache and the apr.
22:58:11 [talli]
meaning? whether the APR speaks with the stores or its apache?
22:58:14 [denshi]
want to hear something cool?
22:58:40 [denshi]
ah hell, I can't remember the syntax.
22:59:14 [denshi]
but I have thus far managed to drive the oacs tcl pages with Ruby and Scheme.
22:59:14 [talli]
the syntax for the cool thing?
22:59:43 [denshi]
since every return in tcl is a C string (null delimited array of char)
23:00:15 [denshi]
unpacking tcl expressions is really easy.
23:01:29 [talli]
very cool!
23:01:44 [talli]
so now it will be easy to rewrite the OACS in ruby and scheme ;)
23:01:46 [talli]
http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/05/06/179233
23:01:48 [oacs-chump]
F: http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=02/05/06/179233 from talli
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F: Parrot Answers
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added comment F1
23:02:58 [denshi]
well, not so much a rewrite as supporting interoperation
23:03:43 [denshi]
I used to think it was a bad idea, like you would blow huge memory running all those interpreters, but lately I've seen otherwise.
23:06:40 [talli]
denshi: is your opinion of perl as language of choice goign to change at all with perl6 and parrot?
23:08:52 [denshi]
my opinion right now is that I need to take more drugs to understand larry wall
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so I have no predictions for perl6
23:10:09 [talli]
haha
23:10:14 [denshi]
on a personal viewpoint, I've been moving towards more formal systems for a while now, and I'll be playing in that end of the pool
23:10:15 [talli]
or just love jesus more
23:10:56 [denshi]
perl has always been about 'do what I think I mean', which is just not where I want to be right now
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23:22:36 [rzolf]
the irc AI bot i wrote in prolog notified me that someone needed my help
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on this channel
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23:25:34 [lethedrinker]
i think it was my lisp bot
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rzolf HELP!! HELP sql
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rzolf HELP!! HELP liza
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23:52:06 [jim]
oookkk....