00:06:18 DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS! 00:06:20 * paje dances around like a freak 00:06:24 wooohooo! 00:06:36 gitdown! 00:06:36 gitfunky 00:36:14 rzolf (~rolf@badgertronics.com) has joined #openacs 00:36:22 paje: seen markd2 00:36:22 markd2 was last seen on #openacs 4 hours, 33 minutes and 8 seconds ago, saying: awww, domo-kun is cute! [Sat May 4 14:03:55 2002] 00:36:27 domokun. 00:39:31 rzolf has quit (Client Quit) 00:46:58 til has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 00:51:42 til (~tils@62.116.19.11) has joined #openacs 01:05:53 moo? 01:05:53 moo Weekendophylax, glad to see you back! 01:18:13 Anyone awake>? 01:18:32 paje, it's happening again 01:18:33 * paje strokes markd2's head and whispers gently to calm his manic episode 01:21:19 paje, attack! 01:21:19 * paje bites Mark's ankle 01:22:01 rzolf (~rolf@badgertronics.com) has joined #openacs 01:26:45 is that spiderman movie supposed to be good, or crap? 01:26:56 i live in a media vacuum. 01:38:19 ask dave 01:38:26 he went to see it this morning 01:38:38 i'm reading greenspuns book on photography 01:46:41 greenspun has a book on photography? 01:55:23 you betcha 01:55:26 he's a photo freak 01:57:39 www.photo.net 01:59:42 yeah he used to be my boss. ;-) 02:00:10 i thought maybe he published a paper book or something. 02:08:13 oh 02:08:16 daaamn 02:08:22 what's it like having him as your booss 02:08:25 boss rather 02:08:40 I think I'd feel reeeeeeaaaally inadequate in his presence 02:09:23 i dont know, i was always really busy. 02:09:44 he seemed ok. 02:10:42 Is he like a mega genius? 02:11:42 no, not really. he just writes a lot. 02:13:50 hmm 02:14:11 ok, so let's recap...he writes a lot, he's good at photography and he programs really well 02:14:35 Damn, I can't even get somewhat good at one of those things and he does that many 02:15:00 it is more a factor of just "doing it" 02:15:10 i was more in awe of markD than philip greenspun. 02:15:13 ;-) 02:15:50 yeah MarkD is definetly cool too 02:15:56 paje, it's happening again! 02:15:56 * paje strokes markd2's head and whispers gently to calm his manic episode 02:16:01 hehehe 02:20:46 hm. all hopped up on coffee and no where to go. 02:20:47 sigh. 02:22:03 You can torture paje a bit 02:22:06 paje, sit 02:22:06 * paje sits on barstool 02:26:23 davb-away is now known as davb 02:29:14 heh 02:29:20 hey dave 02:29:20 hiya. 02:29:32 rzolf was asking about Spiderman 02:29:58 rzolf: it was not bad. fun little action movie. 02:30:06 cool 02:30:21 Dave, are you into photography? 02:30:28 well, its on my list. 02:30:37 :) i am into it, but rarely practice. 02:31:03 hey, try that list thing again 02:31:17 well, its on my list. 02:31:23 hmm 02:31:27 well, it's on my list 02:31:30 odd 02:31:32 darn. 02:31:35 paje, it's on my list 02:31:35 Weekendophylax: i'm not following you... 02:31:41 stupid paje 02:31:44 paje forget my list 02:31:45 Weekendophylax, I didn't have anything matching my list 02:32:01 paje my list is sure, sure it is! You just keep believing it :) 02:32:01 i already had it that way, Weekendophylax. 02:32:09 paje, my list 02:32:09 sure, sure it is! You just keep believing it :) 02:32:10 my list 02:32:16 darm. 02:32:16 bah 02:32:21 how do I make him say it like this 02:32:25 gitfunky! 02:32:34 gitdown! 02:32:34 gitfunky 02:32:34 list 02:32:37 hmmm. 02:32:38 ^^ like that ^^ 02:32:42 photography is cool. 02:32:49 yeah, I want to get into it ;) 02:32:56 I took 25 rolls of film while I was in paris. 02:32:59 in 5 days. 02:32:59 if anyone knows where i can get a canon eos1D. let me know. 02:33:11 Weekendophylax: learn how to develop and print. its cool. 02:33:22 I know how to develop and print :) 02:33:28 graet. 02:33:32 It's also considerably expensive and requires a dark room 02:33:45 we have a public darkrom to rent and I am planning on visiting one of these days. 02:33:45 i took tons of pics in africa. and japan. 02:33:56 they also have a print shop which is also very cool. 02:34:07 See, I want to put a twist on this 02:34:18 I want to do digitally 02:34:36 I haven't found too many high megapixel cameras that support interchangeable lenses and other goodies 02:34:40 get a really good digital. 02:34:58 Mine is ok..it's mid-range and not just point and shoot 02:34:58 canon D60 02:35:01 you need one of those really expensive ones. 02:35:06 or eos1D 02:35:18 and a espon photo 1200 or whatever it is. 02:35:26 the D60 is < $2000 02:35:30 that is not bad. 02:35:49 Hmm 02:35:59 the EOS1D is a clone of the EOS1 but it's digital? 02:36:30 i dont know. 02:36:55 wow 02:37:01 it supposedly is the one to get if you want to do sports photos. 02:37:02 EOS1D is like 5500$ 02:37:05 which is what i want to do. 02:37:24 yeah but sports photo you can blow $5000 on film and processing in a week. 02:37:36 :) true 02:37:37 lol 02:37:44 especially if you are doing sequence. 02:38:20 Wow 02:38:31 D60 has some nice specs 02:38:51 it too is sold out most places. 02:38:51 and a nice price tag of only 2000$ 02:38:58 the eos1D is nearly impossible to get. 02:39:05 because all the newspapers have dibs. 02:39:13 heh 02:39:25 I could use a camera like that 02:39:34 individuals basically have to buy them in japan or from some shady individual. 02:39:55 Well, since I can't afford it 02:39:57 I will just wait 02:40:16 yeah 02:40:34 i'm hoping by the time i can afford the eos1D, the new ersion will be out 02:40:37 maybe play the lottery in hopes of hitting the jackpot to get this 02:41:14 i think one of the bigger problems i have is lack of subjets to photograph 02:41:15 40 hours of openacs consulting x $50 is all you need to do. ;-) 02:41:46 hmmm 02:42:01 I probably need to learn OpenACS first hmm 02:42:09 heh. 02:42:14 or not. 02:42:43 the guys at the geeksquad: http://www.geeksquad.com charge $100 to remove stuck CD-Roms. 02:42:43 ? 02:42:55 its all a matter of marketing. ;-) 02:43:28 unstick 20 cd rom drives. you have yourself a camera. ;-) 02:43:43 hmmm 02:44:01 perhaps I can become the Geek Squad New York Location 02:44:22 yeah 02:44:26 Geek Squad, the NY Chapter 02:44:31 basically you just need to convince someone to give you money. 02:44:32 dave, you can handle the upstate, right? 02:44:43 sure 02:44:49 which is only as hard as you want to make it. 02:46:53 hmm 02:47:07 well, I usually have little difficulty getting my parents to give me money 02:47:14 but 5000$ for an EOS1D might be a little rough 02:47:32 are you in college? 02:47:39 nope 02:47:44 hm 02:47:45 Been there, done that 02:47:53 i see. 02:48:18 it depends on the temperament of your parents. 02:49:07 for instance. if you were still in high school. what you could have done, is started smoking, doing lots of drugs, getting bad grades, etc. 02:49:14 if your parents are of the sort 02:49:27 who will worry about you, and try to get you "help" 02:49:34 nah 02:49:38 I was a good child 02:49:43 see, that's where you went wrong. 02:49:46 or at least that's what I made everyone think 02:49:51 I know 02:50:01 I realized that when I looked through my report cards for 9th grade 02:50:10 such things as.."Tries hard" and "Does extra work" 02:50:15 big mistake. 02:50:24 I couldn't help but think.."What the f*ck was I thinking?" 02:50:39 I should have been the laziest bastard in town 02:50:53 if you were the opposite, your parents would have thought "hmm.. we could help him with the photography job, or else he might end up in jail" 02:51:14 word of advice to davb - keep your kids away from rzolf 02:51:19 haha. 02:51:21 heh 02:51:23 hi vinod 02:51:30 hehe 02:51:32 hey davb and company :-) 02:51:36 Sup V 02:51:38 well, if they were my parents. they would have sent me to military school. 02:51:48 vinod. 02:51:55 Weekendophylax: if you were lazy, you would end up like me. 02:52:17 on IRC on a saturday night? oh...wait... 02:52:28 dave 02:52:32 I am lazy 02:52:36 irc counts as social interaction, right? 02:52:41 yes yes it does 02:52:47 paje, it's happening again! 02:52:47 * paje strokes markd2's head and whispers gently to calm his manic episode 02:53:01 paje: seen markd2? 02:53:01 markd2 was last seen on #openacs 6 hours, 49 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: awww, domo-kun is cute! [Sat May 4 14:03:55 2002] 02:53:55 hmmm 02:53:58 151 tastes good 02:55:05 hmmm 02:56:59 my old attempts 02:57:05 oops 02:57:08 wrong link :) 02:57:32 How do you guys rate those? 02:57:43 horrible, really bad, bad, fair? 02:58:27 is that your cat? 02:58:30 nope 02:58:50 It's what I would look like if i was a cat...LOL 02:58:54 is that first pic you? 02:59:00 that is the laziest cat in the world 02:59:05 nope, owner of the cat 02:59:21 they look alike :-) 02:59:36 lol 03:00:27 the blurry pic of the cat is kind of nifty 03:02:38 i have what i think is a half-decent b&w pic of someone but I don't have permission to show it off :-/ 03:04:19 * Weekendophylax wonders where everyone went 03:12:54 rzolf has left #openacs 04:16:10 til has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:16:11 vinod has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:16:11 paje has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:16:11 Weekendophylax has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:16:11 davb has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:16:11 talli has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:17:03 til (~tils@62.116.19.11) has joined #openacs 04:17:03 vinod (~vinod@207-172-216-89.s1105.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs 04:17:03 paje (~paje@slxwy.dorms.usu.edu) has joined #openacs 04:17:03 Weekendophylax (proxy@ool-18baa8de.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #openacs 04:17:03 talli (~chatzilla@talli.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 04:17:03 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 04:19:10 [#openacs] This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 07:25:12 vinod has quit ("changing universes") 12:11:32 talli_ (~chatzilla@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 12:11:33 talli has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:30:19 jim (~jim@12-233-225-152.client.attbi.com) has joined #openacs 12:30:30 re. 13:05:26 hi 13:07:30 heya davb 13:24:08 morning 13:35:35 jim has quit (Remote closed the connection) 14:02:22 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. Services restart in process, this might be a noisy one. Please bear with us. 14:03:53 [#openacs] This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 14:07:38 [GlobalNotice] Rerouting finished. Thanks for your patience. 14:40:32 that was fun 15:07:25 that? 15:07:25 it has been said that that is not true 15:07:47 heh 15:11:35 lol 15:35:02 this? 15:35:04 this is probably a great idae 15:45:01 paje, sleep 15:45:01 * paje goes to sleep 15:52:12 paje, arise 15:52:13 docwolf: what? 15:52:18 good, you're awake 15:59:23 heh 15:59:26 paje, wake up 15:59:26 Weekendophylax: huh? 15:59:31 no wait 15:59:33 paje, get up 15:59:33 * paje get off of barstool 15:59:52 gitdown! 15:59:52 gitfunky 16:11:35 talli_ is now known as talli 16:16:34 vinod (~vinod@209-122-234-64.s2128.apx2.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs 16:24:18 rbm: you around? 16:24:21 paje, seen rbm 16:24:21 rbm was last seen on #openacs 1 days, 15 hours, 17 minutes and 49 seconds ago, saying: what's this sartre thing? [Fri May 3 19:07:14 2002] 16:24:55 docwolf has quit ("What happens if i press this bu") 16:27:04 markd2 (~Snak@h166-102-041-153.ip.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 16:29:35 paje, it's mark! 16:29:35 Weekendophylax: sorry... 16:33:34 yö 16:54:46 sup 17:02:57 nammach 17:03:47 i c 17:04:04 howdy everyone! 17:05:05 i'm going to go outside and aimlessly wander around looking for good pictures to take 17:08:45 cool. 18:07:47 * til wonders how simple boolean checkboxes are supposed to work in ats forms 18:07:51 vinod has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:54:39 oooom 18:59:01 docwolf (~nematode@adsl-34-53-191.mia.bellsouth.net) has joined #openacs 18:59:11 paje, seen talli? 18:59:12 talli was last seen on #openacs 2 hours, 34 minutes and 50 seconds ago, saying: paje, seen rbm [Sun May 5 10:25:03 2002] 18:59:25 paje, seen rbm? 18:59:26 rbm was last seen on #openacs 4 minutes and 45 seconds ago, saying: oooom [Sun May 5 12:55:21 2002] 19:01:31 http://www.brasileiro.net/roberto/pictures/graduation-1.jpg 19:01:31 A: http://www.brasileiro.net/roberto/pictures/graduation-1.jpg from rbm 19:01:45 ack 19:02:04 ok, now it's there :) 19:02:43 MAJOR PROPS TO ROBERTO. 19:02:49 that's gotta be a relief. 19:03:32 What's a Prop? 19:03:37 * markd2 is trying to figure out why rbm is wearing an Imperial Destroyer 19:03:41 haha 19:03:42 :) 19:03:45 an expression. like a big thumbs-up 19:03:58 short for "propers" 19:03:59 Ah, cool 19:04:13 markd2: It's the NRHH (National Residence Hall Honorary) pin 19:05:12 brb. gotta help with cooking lunch 19:05:16 s/brb/bbiab/ 19:06:19 Darth Roberto 19:06:38 'darth mello' doesn't sound right 19:09:10 moo! 19:09:40 Congrats roberto! 19:10:55 Darth Mellow 19:11:02 Like, come on over to the dark side, dude 19:12:08 hmm 19:13:07 talli has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19:59:01 donb (~donb@dsl-dhogaza.pacifier.net) has joined #openacs 20:02:25 Hello? What's up? 20:02:38 greetings 20:09:15 Dead today, eh? 20:09:45 pretty much 20:09:47 rbm graduated 20:10:02 http://www.brasileiro.net/roberto/pictures/graduation-1.jpg 20:10:21 hey - does pg have the equivalent of oracle's V$ views for determining stuff like buffer hit ratios and the like? 20:14:15 Hey, I knew he was done but didn't know he'd had the ceremony yet (I'm flipping back-and-forth to a window where I'm doing some massively boring CVS tree cleanup for a client project) 20:14:26 hi don 20:14:27 heh 20:14:54 PG does track buffer hit ratios and the like but I've not looked at such in ages, my 750MB machine doesn't do disk I/O ... 20:14:59 so I don't need to check ... 20:15:07 okie 20:15:11 and it's probably better and different now in PG 7.1 and PG 7.2 anyway ... 20:15:31 New and Improved 20:15:44 They don't keep track on a per-table basis but I know you can get basic buffer hit data 20:15:54 Hi, Tilmann 20:16:41 * til hopes to have time soon to check out ad_form 20:18:01 I need to wrap it up and circulate it to get feedback, I may get time to put together a demo today 20:19:15 did you find/fix errors with checkboxes? i just tried to generate one with ats and it didn't accept -label "" (resulted in unclosed > in the html) 20:20:08 Hmmm...no, I wasn't aware of that. 20:20:11 Damn 20:20:30 I've used checkboxes though, and haven't seen that error when I have a real label ... 20:20:35 Maybe the blank confuses it? 20:20:56 it worked with -label " " for some reason 20:22:36 i want an empty label when displaying a simple boolean value with the checkbox instead of a list of multiple choice options. The text inside ... is sufficient 20:23:02 Interesting ... it must think that -label "" meant no label in one context, a blank label in another ... 20:23:13 Yeah, I can see wanting to do that, I just never tried 20:42:03 OK, I just finished all my nasty committing and updating chores, so I'm going to unplug from the net and head off for a nice latte made from Cafe Umbria coffee (good friends of Tom Jackson) ... 20:42:26 and get some work done. Have a nice day! Hope the weather's a lot nicer where you are than where I am... 20:42:28 donb has quit ("changing universes") 22:18:18 markdfoo (~Snak@h166-102-041-153.ip.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 22:18:19 markd2 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:18:51 markdfoo is now known as markd2 22:22:53 paje, attack 22:22:53 docwolf: huh? 22:22:58 paje, attack! 22:22:59 * paje bites Mark's ankle 22:24:11 hey docwolf 22:38:59 ow 22:39:02 hey rbm 22:39:21 does pg have an equivalent ot the oracle v$ performance views? 22:39:36 like seeing what the buffer hit ratio is, or see what expensive sql's beeing executed? 22:42:36 markd2: 7.2 has some statistics stuff. I was looking for documentation after I saw your question but got distracted. Let me get to it again. 22:43:07 http://www.postgresql.org/idocs/index.php?planner-stats.html\ 22:43:07 B: http://www.postgresql.org/idocs/index.php?planner-stats.html\ from rbm 22:43:10 errr 22:43:36 chump's fast on the draw 22:44:23 B:| PostgreSQL Planner Statistics 22:44:23 titled item B 22:45:08 does this help? 22:46:04 yep. thanks 22:47:12 np 23:40:42 * davb goes to windows for a little bit 23:40:44 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 23:40:56 talli (~chatzilla@talli.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 23:52:21 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 23:52:48 darn, windows is broken again.