IRC log of openacs on 2002-05-05

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00:06:18 [Weekendophylax]
DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS!
00:06:20 [paje]
* paje dances around like a freak
00:06:24 [Weekendophylax]
wooohooo!
00:06:36 [Weekendophylax]
gitdown!
00:06:36 [paje]
gitfunky
00:36:14 [rzolf]
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00:36:22 [rzolf]
paje: seen markd2
00:36:22 [paje]
markd2 was last seen on #openacs 4 hours, 33 minutes and 8 seconds ago, saying: awww, domo-kun is cute! [Sat May 4 14:03:55 2002]
00:36:27 [rzolf]
domokun.
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01:05:53 [Weekendophylax]
moo?
01:05:53 [paje]
moo Weekendophylax, glad to see you back!
01:18:13 [Weekendophylax]
Anyone awake>?
01:18:32 [Weekendophylax]
paje, it's happening again
01:18:33 [paje]
* paje strokes markd2's head and whispers gently to calm his manic episode
01:21:19 [Weekendophylax]
paje, attack!
01:21:19 [paje]
* paje bites Mark's ankle
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01:26:45 [rzolf]
is that spiderman movie supposed to be good, or crap?
01:26:56 [rzolf]
i live in a media vacuum.
01:38:19 [Weekendophylax]
ask dave
01:38:26 [Weekendophylax]
he went to see it this morning
01:38:38 [Weekendophylax]
i'm reading greenspuns book on photography
01:46:41 [rzolf]
greenspun has a book on photography?
01:55:23 [Weekendophylax]
you betcha
01:55:26 [Weekendophylax]
he's a photo freak
01:57:39 [Weekendophylax]
www.photo.net
01:59:42 [rzolf]
yeah he used to be my boss. ;-)
02:00:10 [rzolf]
i thought maybe he published a paper book or something.
02:08:13 [Weekendophylax]
oh
02:08:16 [Weekendophylax]
daaamn
02:08:22 [Weekendophylax]
what's it like having him as your booss
02:08:25 [Weekendophylax]
boss rather
02:08:40 [Weekendophylax]
I think I'd feel reeeeeeaaaally inadequate in his presence
02:09:23 [rzolf]
i dont know, i was always really busy.
02:09:44 [rzolf]
he seemed ok.
02:10:42 [Weekendophylax]
Is he like a mega genius?
02:11:42 [rzolf]
no, not really. he just writes a lot.
02:13:50 [Weekendophylax]
hmm
02:14:11 [Weekendophylax]
ok, so let's recap...he writes a lot, he's good at photography and he programs really well
02:14:35 [Weekendophylax]
Damn, I can't even get somewhat good at one of those things and he does that many
02:15:00 [rzolf]
it is more a factor of just "doing it"
02:15:10 [rzolf]
i was more in awe of markD than philip greenspun.
02:15:13 [rzolf]
;-)
02:15:50 [Weekendophylax]
yeah MarkD is definetly cool too
02:15:56 [Weekendophylax]
paje, it's happening again!
02:15:56 [paje]
* paje strokes markd2's head and whispers gently to calm his manic episode
02:16:01 [Weekendophylax]
hehehe
02:20:46 [rzolf]
hm. all hopped up on coffee and no where to go.
02:20:47 [rzolf]
sigh.
02:22:03 [Weekendophylax]
You can torture paje a bit
02:22:06 [Weekendophylax]
paje, sit
02:22:06 [paje]
* paje sits on barstool
02:26:23 [davb-away]
davb-away is now known as davb
02:29:14 [Weekendophylax]
heh
02:29:20 [Weekendophylax]
hey dave
02:29:20 [davb]
hiya.
02:29:32 [Weekendophylax]
rzolf was asking about Spiderman
02:29:58 [davb]
rzolf: it was not bad. fun little action movie.
02:30:06 [rzolf]
cool
02:30:21 [Weekendophylax]
Dave, are you into photography?
02:30:28 [davb]
well, its on my list.
02:30:37 [davb]
:) i am into it, but rarely practice.
02:31:03 [Weekendophylax]
hey, try that list thing again
02:31:17 [davb]
well, its on my list.
02:31:23 [Weekendophylax]
hmm
02:31:27 [davb]
well, it's on my list
02:31:30 [Weekendophylax]
odd
02:31:32 [davb]
darn.
02:31:35 [Weekendophylax]
paje, it's on my list
02:31:35 [paje]
Weekendophylax: i'm not following you...
02:31:41 [Weekendophylax]
stupid paje
02:31:44 [Weekendophylax]
paje forget my list
02:31:45 [paje]
Weekendophylax, I didn't have anything matching my list
02:32:01 [Weekendophylax]
paje my list is <reply> sure, sure it is! You just keep believing it :)
02:32:01 [paje]
i already had it that way, Weekendophylax.
02:32:09 [Weekendophylax]
paje, my list
02:32:09 [paje]
sure, sure it is! You just keep believing it :)
02:32:10 [davb]
my list
02:32:16 [davb]
darm.
02:32:16 [Weekendophylax]
bah
02:32:21 [Weekendophylax]
how do I make him say it like this
02:32:25 [Weekendophylax]
gitfunky!
02:32:34 [Weekendophylax]
gitdown!
02:32:34 [paje]
gitfunky
02:32:34 [davb]
list
02:32:37 [davb]
hmmm.
02:32:38 [Weekendophylax]
^^ like that ^^
02:32:42 [rzolf]
photography is cool.
02:32:49 [Weekendophylax]
yeah, I want to get into it ;)
02:32:56 [davb]
I took 25 rolls of film while I was in paris.
02:32:59 [davb]
in 5 days.
02:32:59 [rzolf]
if anyone knows where i can get a canon eos1D. let me know.
02:33:11 [davb]
Weekendophylax: learn how to develop and print. its cool.
02:33:22 [Weekendophylax]
I know how to develop and print :)
02:33:28 [davb]
graet.
02:33:32 [Weekendophylax]
It's also considerably expensive and requires a dark room
02:33:45 [davb]
we have a public darkrom to rent and I am planning on visiting one of these days.
02:33:45 [rzolf]
i took tons of pics in africa. and japan.
02:33:56 [davb]
they also have a print shop which is also very cool.
02:34:07 [Weekendophylax]
See, I want to put a twist on this
02:34:18 [Weekendophylax]
I want to do digitally
02:34:36 [Weekendophylax]
I haven't found too many high megapixel cameras that support interchangeable lenses and other goodies
02:34:40 [davb]
get a really good digital.
02:34:58 [Weekendophylax]
Mine is ok..it's mid-range and not just point and shoot
02:34:58 [rzolf]
canon D60
02:35:01 [davb]
you need one of those really expensive ones.
02:35:06 [rzolf]
or eos1D
02:35:18 [davb]
and a espon photo 1200 or whatever it is.
02:35:26 [rzolf]
the D60 is < $2000
02:35:30 [davb]
that is not bad.
02:35:49 [Weekendophylax]
Hmm
02:35:59 [Weekendophylax]
the EOS1D is a clone of the EOS1 but it's digital?
02:36:30 [rzolf]
i dont know.
02:36:55 [Weekendophylax]
wow
02:37:01 [rzolf]
it supposedly is the one to get if you want to do sports photos.
02:37:02 [Weekendophylax]
EOS1D is like 5500$
02:37:05 [rzolf]
which is what i want to do.
02:37:24 [rzolf]
yeah but sports photo you can blow $5000 on film and processing in a week.
02:37:36 [Weekendophylax]
:) true
02:37:37 [Weekendophylax]
lol
02:37:44 [rzolf]
especially if you are doing sequence.
02:38:20 [Weekendophylax]
Wow
02:38:31 [Weekendophylax]
D60 has some nice specs
02:38:51 [rzolf]
it too is sold out most places.
02:38:51 [Weekendophylax]
and a nice price tag of only 2000$
02:38:58 [rzolf]
the eos1D is nearly impossible to get.
02:39:05 [rzolf]
because all the newspapers have dibs.
02:39:13 [Weekendophylax]
heh
02:39:25 [Weekendophylax]
I could use a camera like that
02:39:34 [rzolf]
individuals basically have to buy them in japan or from some shady individual.
02:39:55 [Weekendophylax]
Well, since I can't afford it
02:39:57 [Weekendophylax]
I will just wait
02:40:16 [rzolf]
yeah
02:40:34 [rzolf]
i'm hoping by the time i can afford the eos1D, the new ersion will be out
02:40:37 [Weekendophylax]
maybe play the lottery in hopes of hitting the jackpot to get this
02:41:14 [Weekendophylax]
i think one of the bigger problems i have is lack of subjets to photograph
02:41:15 [rzolf]
40 hours of openacs consulting x $50 is all you need to do. ;-)
02:41:46 [Weekendophylax]
hmmm
02:42:01 [Weekendophylax]
I probably need to learn OpenACS first hmm
02:42:09 [rzolf]
heh.
02:42:14 [rzolf]
or not.
02:42:43 [rzolf]
the guys at the geeksquad: http://www.geeksquad.com charge $100 to remove stuck CD-Roms.
02:42:43 [Weekendophylax]
?
02:42:55 [rzolf]
its all a matter of marketing. ;-)
02:43:28 [rzolf]
unstick 20 cd rom drives. you have yourself a camera. ;-)
02:43:43 [Weekendophylax]
hmmm
02:44:01 [Weekendophylax]
perhaps I can become the Geek Squad New York Location
02:44:22 [rzolf]
yeah
02:44:26 [Weekendophylax]
Geek Squad, the NY Chapter
02:44:31 [rzolf]
basically you just need to convince someone to give you money.
02:44:32 [Weekendophylax]
dave, you can handle the upstate, right?
02:44:43 [davb]
sure
02:44:49 [rzolf]
which is only as hard as you want to make it.
02:46:53 [Weekendophylax]
hmm
02:47:07 [Weekendophylax]
well, I usually have little difficulty getting my parents to give me money
02:47:14 [Weekendophylax]
but 5000$ for an EOS1D might be a little rough
02:47:32 [rzolf]
are you in college?
02:47:39 [Weekendophylax]
nope
02:47:44 [rzolf]
hm
02:47:45 [Weekendophylax]
Been there, done that
02:47:53 [rzolf]
i see.
02:48:18 [rzolf]
it depends on the temperament of your parents.
02:49:07 [rzolf]
for instance. if you were still in high school. what you could have done, is started smoking, doing lots of drugs, getting bad grades, etc.
02:49:14 [rzolf]
if your parents are of the sort
02:49:27 [rzolf]
who will worry about you, and try to get you "help"
02:49:34 [Weekendophylax]
nah
02:49:38 [Weekendophylax]
I was a good child
02:49:43 [rzolf]
see, that's where you went wrong.
02:49:46 [Weekendophylax]
or at least that's what I made everyone think
02:49:51 [Weekendophylax]
I know
02:50:01 [Weekendophylax]
I realized that when I looked through my report cards for 9th grade
02:50:10 [Weekendophylax]
such things as.."Tries hard" and "Does extra work"
02:50:15 [rzolf]
big mistake.
02:50:24 [Weekendophylax]
I couldn't help but think.."What the f*ck was I thinking?"
02:50:39 [Weekendophylax]
I should have been the laziest bastard in town
02:50:53 [rzolf]
if you were the opposite, your parents would have thought "hmm.. we could help him with the photography job, or else he might end up in jail"
02:51:14 [vinod]
word of advice to davb - keep your kids away from rzolf
02:51:19 [rzolf]
haha.
02:51:21 [davb]
heh
02:51:23 [davb]
hi vinod
02:51:30 [Weekendophylax]
hehe
02:51:32 [vinod]
hey davb and company :-)
02:51:36 [Weekendophylax]
Sup V
02:51:38 [rzolf]
well, if they were my parents. they would have sent me to military school.
02:51:48 [rzolf]
vinod.
02:51:55 [davb]
Weekendophylax: if you were lazy, you would end up like me.
02:52:17 [rzolf]
on IRC on a saturday night? oh...wait...
02:52:28 [Weekendophylax]
dave
02:52:32 [Weekendophylax]
I am lazy
02:52:36 [vinod]
irc counts as social interaction, right?
02:52:41 [Weekendophylax]
yes yes it does
02:52:47 [Weekendophylax]
paje, it's happening again!
02:52:47 [paje]
* paje strokes markd2's head and whispers gently to calm his manic episode
02:53:01 [rzolf]
paje: seen markd2?
02:53:01 [paje]
markd2 was last seen on #openacs 6 hours, 49 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying: awww, domo-kun is cute! [Sat May 4 14:03:55 2002]
02:53:55 [Weekendophylax]
hmmm
02:53:58 [Weekendophylax]
151 tastes good
02:55:05 [Weekendophylax]
hmmm
02:56:59 [Weekendophylax]
my old attempts
02:57:05 [Weekendophylax]
oops
02:57:08 [Weekendophylax]
wrong link :)
02:57:32 [Weekendophylax]
How do you guys rate those?
02:57:43 [Weekendophylax]
horrible, really bad, bad, fair?
02:58:27 [vinod]
is that your cat?
02:58:30 [Weekendophylax]
nope
02:58:50 [Weekendophylax]
It's what I would look like if i was a cat...LOL
02:58:54 [vinod]
is that first pic you?
02:59:00 [Weekendophylax]
that is the laziest cat in the world
02:59:05 [Weekendophylax]
nope, owner of the cat
02:59:21 [vinod]
they look alike :-)
02:59:36 [Weekendophylax]
lol
03:00:27 [Weekendophylax]
the blurry pic of the cat is kind of nifty
03:02:38 [Weekendophylax]
i have what i think is a half-decent b&w pic of someone but I don't have permission to show it off :-/
03:04:19 [Weekendophylax]
* Weekendophylax wonders where everyone went
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12:30:30 [jim]
re.
13:05:26 [davb]
hi
13:07:30 [jim]
heya davb
13:24:08 [til]
morning
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14:40:32 [Weekendophylax]
that was fun
15:07:25 [til]
that?
15:07:25 [paje]
it has been said that that is not true
15:07:47 [til]
heh
15:11:35 [Weekendophylax]
lol
15:35:02 [til]
this?
15:35:04 [paje]
this is probably a great idae
15:45:01 [Weekendophylax]
paje, sleep
15:45:01 [paje]
* paje goes to sleep
15:52:12 [docwolf]
paje, arise
15:52:13 [paje]
docwolf: what?
15:52:18 [docwolf]
good, you're awake
15:59:23 [Weekendophylax]
heh
15:59:26 [Weekendophylax]
paje, wake up
15:59:26 [paje]
Weekendophylax: huh?
15:59:31 [Weekendophylax]
no wait
15:59:33 [Weekendophylax]
paje, get up
15:59:33 [paje]
* paje get off of barstool
15:59:52 [Weekendophylax]
gitdown!
15:59:52 [paje]
gitfunky
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16:24:18 [talli]
rbm: you around?
16:24:21 [talli]
paje, seen rbm
16:24:21 [paje]
rbm was last seen on #openacs 1 days, 15 hours, 17 minutes and 49 seconds ago, saying: what's this sartre thing? [Fri May 3 19:07:14 2002]
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16:29:35 [Weekendophylax]
paje, it's mark!
16:29:35 [paje]
Weekendophylax: sorry...
16:33:34 [markd2]
yö
16:54:46 [Weekendophylax]
sup
17:02:57 [markd2]
nammach
17:03:47 [Weekendophylax]
i c
17:04:04 [vinod]
howdy everyone!
17:05:05 [Weekendophylax]
i'm going to go outside and aimlessly wander around looking for good pictures to take
17:08:45 [vinod]
cool.
18:07:47 [til]
* til wonders how simple boolean checkboxes are supposed to work in ats forms
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18:54:39 [rbm]
oooom
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paje, seen talli?
18:59:12 [paje]
talli was last seen on #openacs 2 hours, 34 minutes and 50 seconds ago, saying: paje, seen rbm [Sun May 5 10:25:03 2002]
18:59:25 [docwolf]
paje, seen rbm?
18:59:26 [paje]
rbm was last seen on #openacs 4 minutes and 45 seconds ago, saying: oooom [Sun May 5 12:55:21 2002]
19:01:31 [rbm]
http://www.brasileiro.net/roberto/pictures/graduation-1.jpg
19:01:31 [oacs-chump]
A: http://www.brasileiro.net/roberto/pictures/graduation-1.jpg from rbm
19:01:45 [rbm]
ack
19:02:04 [rbm]
ok, now it's there :)
19:02:43 [docwolf]
MAJOR PROPS TO ROBERTO.
19:02:49 [docwolf]
that's gotta be a relief.
19:03:32 [rbm]
What's a Prop?
19:03:37 [markd2]
* markd2 is trying to figure out why rbm is wearing an Imperial Destroyer
19:03:41 [docwolf]
haha
19:03:42 [rbm]
:)
19:03:45 [docwolf]
an expression. like a big thumbs-up
19:03:58 [markd2]
short for "propers"
19:03:59 [rbm]
Ah, cool
19:04:13 [rbm]
markd2: It's the NRHH (National Residence Hall Honorary) pin
19:05:12 [rbm]
brb. gotta help with cooking lunch
19:05:16 [rbm]
s/brb/bbiab/
19:06:19 [markd2]
Darth Roberto
19:06:38 [docwolf]
'darth mello' doesn't sound right
19:09:10 [Weekendophylax]
moo!
19:09:40 [Weekendophylax]
Congrats roberto!
19:10:55 [markd2]
Darth Mellow
19:11:02 [markd2]
Like, come on over to the dark side, dude
19:12:08 [Weekendophylax]
hmm
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20:02:25 [donb]
Hello? What's up?
20:02:38 [markd2]
greetings
20:09:15 [donb]
Dead today, eh?
20:09:45 [markd2]
pretty much
20:09:47 [markd2]
rbm graduated
20:10:02 [markd2]
http://www.brasileiro.net/roberto/pictures/graduation-1.jpg
20:10:21 [markd2]
hey - does pg have the equivalent of oracle's V$ views for determining stuff like buffer hit ratios and the like?
20:14:15 [donb]
Hey, I knew he was done but didn't know he'd had the ceremony yet (I'm flipping back-and-forth to a window where I'm doing some massively boring CVS tree cleanup for a client project)
20:14:26 [til]
hi don
20:14:27 [markd2]
heh
20:14:54 [donb]
PG does track buffer hit ratios and the like but I've not looked at such in ages, my 750MB machine doesn't do disk I/O ...
20:14:59 [donb]
so I don't need to check ...
20:15:07 [markd2]
okie
20:15:11 [donb]
and it's probably better and different now in PG 7.1 and PG 7.2 anyway ...
20:15:31 [markd2]
New and Improved
20:15:44 [donb]
They don't keep track on a per-table basis but I know you can get basic buffer hit data
20:15:54 [donb]
Hi, Tilmann
20:16:41 [til]
* til hopes to have time soon to check out ad_form
20:18:01 [donb]
I need to wrap it up and circulate it to get feedback, I may get time to put together a demo today
20:19:15 [til]
did you find/fix errors with checkboxes? i just tried to generate one with ats and it didn't accept -label "" (resulted in unclosed > in the html)
20:20:08 [donb]
Hmmm...no, I wasn't aware of that.
20:20:11 [donb]
Damn
20:20:30 [donb]
I've used checkboxes though, and haven't seen that error when I have a real label ...
20:20:35 [donb]
Maybe the blank confuses it?
20:20:56 [til]
it worked with -label " " for some reason
20:22:36 [til]
i want an empty label when displaying a simple boolean value with the checkbox instead of a list of multiple choice options. The text inside <checkbox>...</..> is sufficient
20:23:02 [donb]
Interesting ... it must think that -label "" meant no label in one context, a blank label in another ...
20:23:13 [donb]
Yeah, I can see wanting to do that, I just never tried
20:42:03 [donb]
OK, I just finished all my nasty committing and updating chores, so I'm going to unplug from the net and head off for a nice latte made from Cafe Umbria coffee (good friends of Tom Jackson) ...
20:42:26 [donb]
and get some work done. Have a nice day! Hope the weather's a lot nicer where you are than where I am...
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22:22:53 [docwolf]
paje, attack
22:22:53 [paje]
docwolf: huh?
22:22:58 [docwolf]
paje, attack!
22:22:59 [paje]
* paje bites Mark's ankle
22:24:11 [rbm]
hey docwolf
22:38:59 [markd2]
ow
22:39:02 [markd2]
hey rbm
22:39:21 [markd2]
does pg have an equivalent ot the oracle v$ performance views?
22:39:36 [markd2]
like seeing what the buffer hit ratio is, or see what expensive sql's beeing executed?
22:42:36 [rbm]
markd2: 7.2 has some statistics stuff. I was looking for documentation after I saw your question but got distracted. Let me get to it again.
22:43:07 [rbm]
http://www.postgresql.org/idocs/index.php?planner-stats.html\
22:43:07 [oacs-chump]
B: http://www.postgresql.org/idocs/index.php?planner-stats.html\ from rbm
22:43:10 [rbm]
errr
22:43:36 [markd2]
chump's fast on the draw
22:44:23 [rbm]
B:| PostgreSQL Planner Statistics
22:44:23 [oacs-chump]
titled item B
22:45:08 [rbm]
does this help?
22:46:04 [markd2]
yep. thanks
22:47:12 [rbm]
np
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* davb goes to windows for a little bit
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darn, windows is broken again.