00:04:25 lilo is a freak 00:06:00 lilo the loader? 00:06:54 no, lilo the IRC Sys Op 00:07:01 ah. 00:07:03 !lilo:*! hmmm, http://www.redherring.com/insider/2002/0424/2780.html 00:07:07 !lilo:*! oddly, I think this is kind of interesting 00:09:08 hmmm 00:09:13 I hope this doesn't get me banned 00:09:15 @WMWMB0@M0Z88000@@M@BBBZBB080000WWMMMMWSBMBM8MZW822M8M8WSMXMMZaZ7. .ir77X77;ir;:ii;r7SSXr7X7777777X 00:09:15 @WMWMBBBZ08Z8800MMMMB0WaZ@MWBB80B2MMMMZr8MWM8MaZ888M8M@MXM;MM222,8MMB2XXrr;;;Xrirrri,.,,,rSZ0BB08Z22 00:09:15 @@MMM@M0ZW0aa808@MMMBW@BaWMBB080@7@MMMZ8WM@W8M0WZSaM8W8M8MZMMXXrMMB7XrX7rrriXXi;;;;i;iii:, ,rX88 00:09:15 @W@MM@MMWMMMW800WMMMWBWMMMMWB008@S2M0M2Z0@M80MZ88aBMMMBWSWXMM;7MM7irr72Srri7X:;rr;i;i;;:ii:i::, 00:09:15 @@MM@W@BZBWMZZ800MMM@BMZSZMWBB88@aX2@M2WWMM0@Ma8Z8WZa@MMZWaMW;MMZa8aS2S2r;;2ir;rririr;:;i:i:::,,:iii 00:09:15 Thursdayphylax has quit (Excess Flood) 00:09:41 Thursdayphylax (proxy@ool-18baa8de.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #openacs 00:09:44 I guess not 00:22:25 walla walla! 00:22:31 paje seen davb 00:22:31 davb was last seen on #openacs 15 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying: ah. [Thu May 2 18:07:42 2002] 00:22:36 paje seen markd2 00:22:36 markd2 was last seen on #openacs 5 hours, 8 minutes and 0 seconds ago, saying: there's some way to do it [Thu May 2 13:15:17 2002] 00:37:00 what was that? 00:38:08 It was a picture of a Pepsi bottle converted to ASCII 00:46:30 ok 00:48:55 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 00:56:55 * rbm arrives from SLC with his parents 00:57:03 Ok, we need to kill someone ;) 01:05:41 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 01:07:08 hehe 01:07:16 Moo is going to teach them how to use a compooter 01:10:22 moo is teaching who? 01:14:55 time to do some geometry 01:18:35 * rbm prepares irmp3-0.4.3pre6-4 01:23:48 talli has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01:33:55 gimp? 01:33:57 Gump? 01:33:59 PIMP?! 01:34:07 paje, revive davb 01:34:07 * paje gives davb CPR 01:34:12 heh 01:34:20 Woot, it works 01:34:42 paje, botsnack 01:34:42 thanks Thursdayphylax :) 01:36:08 paje, sleep 01:36:08 * paje goes to sleep 01:37:20 vinod (~vinod@209-122-234-135.s2199.apx2.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs 01:37:46 hi vinod 01:37:57 hey davb 01:38:07 sup vi to the NOD 01:38:29 i'm down with da Thursdayphylax 01:38:48 paje, wakeup 01:38:49 * paje wakes up 01:38:52 gitdown! 01:38:52 gitfunky 01:39:54 just had a drink with johnseq 01:40:18 cool. 01:40:27 so when do you guys take over the world? 01:40:34 i think we solved most of the worlds problems, but i'll forget by tomorrow 01:40:37 haha 01:40:40 Well, since Brain is here, I don't think they did 01:40:45 davb: you can read my mind, huh? 01:41:20 i can? 01:41:52 the take-over-the-world thing. i wuz in the middle of typing that... 01:42:00 heh 01:42:12 come on vinod, we all know you're secretly trying to take over the world every night 01:42:14 seemed like the kind of thing you guys would discuss. 01:42:24 haha 01:42:30 * vinod looks around suspiciously 01:42:54 * Thursdayphylax keeps an eye on vinod 02:06:47 boogly woogly? 02:08:33 Thursdayphylax: or anyone else. where can I set my screensaver settings? I am in xfce 02:09:31 Xfce? 02:09:32 Umm 02:09:37 on the right hand side 02:10:27 it's in one of the popup menus 02:10:35 either the rightmost or the next to it 02:10:37 cool. 02:10:43 i clicked on them all, except that one. oops 02:10:52 * Thursdayphylax thwaps davb 02:10:55 © 02:26:25 talli (~chatzilla@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 02:33:17 hey talli 02:33:30 hey vinod 02:34:03 http://www.gnu.org.pe/resmseng.html 02:34:03 A: http://www.gnu.org.pe/resmseng.html from davb 02:39:09 paje, seen denshi 02:39:09 denshi was last seen on #openacs 2 days, 5 hours, 47 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying: l8r [Tue Apr 30 14:52:09 2002] 02:39:12 Dang 02:42:24 A: A most interesting letter regarding free software 02:42:24 added comment A1 02:43:35 ok, shagster, time to set up uptime... 02:45:31 10:49PM up 21 days, 1:31, 1 user, load averages: 1.20, 1.13, 1.09 02:45:36 :-) 02:45:46 A: the most clear arguments for free software I have read 02:45:46 added comment A2 02:48:11 docwolf: uptime.openacs.org has been pretty reliable for me. i haven't got a notice from there in a month for my 1 unix-based site, but i get regular notices for a client site on mac os 9 (don't ask!) 02:50:13 abbaJ (~jabba@adsl-64-123-15-115.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) has joined #openacs 03:08:19 bye 03:08:21 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 03:19:52 vinod: good to hear! 03:20:07 my pager is really loud, and i don't relish the thought of it going off at 3am. 03:20:11 i left those days behind. 03:26:13 haha 03:26:19 i hear ya 03:26:53 the last few night shifts that i've worked have been painful. can't wait to get those days behind me 03:28:23 vinod: don't you mean nights? 03:28:37 day or night? what's the friggin' deal? 03:29:06 sorry to confuse you :-) 03:29:16 * vinod breaks the talli-consistency-meter again 03:29:17 no prob 03:29:36 had to dump core, but i don't *entirely* blame you for that 03:29:51 hey, keep your bathroom stories to yourself 03:29:59 haha 03:30:03 speaking of which... 03:30:07 talli is now known as barstool 03:30:12 g'night everyone 03:30:20 g'night 03:52:38 paje, sit 03:52:38 * paje sits on barstool 04:00:12 the ignomy. 04:00:20 * lethedrinker is being forced to use mysql at work 04:00:22 AGHH 04:00:39 you must have been evil in a past life :-) 04:02:06 lethedrinker: nice to see you again 04:02:17 lethedrinker: http://www.museatech.net/faq/momentum 04:03:14 * barstool now officially goes to bed 04:04:25 night talli, i saw that page a bit earlier looks good. 04:07:36 lethedrinker: cool 04:07:46 you should come by #momentum sometime 04:07:55 there are some serious python bigots i have to handle 04:08:01 hanging out int here, that is 04:08:10 ok, now i'm *really* going to bed 04:19:00 i haven't seen many infomercials like that up here 04:19:17 they mostly sell abdominizers or real-estate-get-rich schemes 04:19:29 oops - wrong window 07:51:31 vinod has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:26:47 larspind (~none@213.237.67.169.adsl.by.worldonline.dk) has joined #openacs 08:28:07 mornin 09:44:44 larspind has quit ("dIRC IRC Client - www.dragonmount.net/dirc/") 11:40:02 larspind (~none@213.237.67.169.adsl.by.worldonline.dk) has joined #openacs 11:53:28 anyone here? :) 12:06:04 no :) 12:06:32 paje, get up 12:06:33 * paje get off of barstool 12:06:48 paje, botsnack 12:06:48 thanks Thursdayphylax :) 12:21:11 markd2 (~markd2@h166-102-041-038.ip.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 12:22:17 I'm trying to plan a site service; it's bigger than the key signature thing... 12:23:47 anyone around? :) 12:24:24 I'd like to run some user scenarios by, maybe come up with an initial data model 12:25:45 morning 12:27:07 hiya 12:30:21 Joe Player comes to the site... says "my email is jp@players.com, I play late 60s to late 70s classic album-oriented rock as well as funk and blues, and I have a funk gig on May 1" 12:32:11 Darlene Listener comes, and says "wow, I love music... especially funk and jazz; email is dl@audience.com" and she is shown a calendar for May, with Joe Player' 12:32:25 s funk gig on the first 12:32:38 cool idea 12:32:50 hard part will be getting enough folks into the system to make it worthwhile 12:33:45 kinda of like a Live Music personals service 12:35:11 Barry Barowner comes to the site, and says... "Yeah, I'm Barry Barowner, and I own Barry's Bar... and I got Joe Player comin down on the First of May, here's the address and contact info for my bar" 12:35:13 SWB(assist) ISO groupies for blues gigs 12:36:01 I looked at Craig's List 12:36:13 and it's similar in some ways 12:36:23 Darlene Listener registers an interest in funk and blues, and gets email ntifications when a gig is registered within 50 miles of her home Zipcode 12:36:54 yeah, Craig's List is awesome 12:37:06 if you can build up the userbase to make it sustainable, it'd be an awesome service 12:38:31 and when she comes back to her workspace (via the link in the email), it shows the gigs 12:39:32 Tommy Trombone Teacher comes to the site and says "I'm a trombone teacher, I teach classical and jazz trombone, beginners welcome" 12:40:00 Dave Drummer comes to the site, and says "I wanna jam! I play funk and jazz" 12:41:00 davb (~chatzilla@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 12:41:09 Bill Bassist comes and says, "I wanna jam! I have a place to play, during regular business hours (9 PM - 5 AM)... 12:42:57 Pastor Patella signs on and says "I need a brass quintet for an Easter Vigil" 12:43:46 Paul Piano browses the site, looking to form a rhythm section, he wants to start by finding a jam session, and finds Dave and Bill there, and contacts them to put a session together 12:43:51 Charles Conductor registers auditions for violins and violas for Little Italy Community Orchestra 12:44:04 (hope you don't mind some brainstorming :-) 12:44:14 (these are some things I would have found useful in the past) 12:44:28 or for right now 12:45:30 Bill comes back to the site, and says "Rock jam session may 15th at my place, closed session, players only" 12:46:15 Paul comes back, sees the session on his calendar, says "I'm interested" 12:46:22 So does Dave 12:47:10 Bill gets two email notifications, with confirm/deny link choices in the mail 12:47:22 he confirms Paul and Dave 12:47:33 they get notifications 12:48:21 they come back to the site; in their workspace is a list of links to sessions and a calendar view with links also 12:48:59 they can click on the session link from the list or from the calendar; they do so and get location and contact info 12:49:26 they arrive, jam, work out some tunes 12:49:31 gonna have any concept of karma? "Bill Bassist is always late to gigs" 12:49:57 that will probably have to be 12:50:04 jim: you probably want to check out the dotlrn calendar and new portal stuff. 12:51:16 Marisa Piano Player purposely plays confusing rhythms and harmonies 12:52:22 karma will initially take the form of ACLs... "Bill and Marisa cannot see my listings" 12:52:22 will initially take the form of acls... "bill and marisa cannot see my listings" has neutral karma 12:52:45 paje: karma dogma 12:52:46 dogma has neutral karma 12:52:56 paje: dogma karma 12:52:56 markd2: i'm not following you... 12:53:11 paje: follow markd2 12:53:11 jim: huh? 12:55:15 it's the jam session thing that I want to get going first... 12:55:25 here's another scenario... 12:56:42 Tom Bighouse comes to the site, and says "Open Jazz Jam at my place on Saturday May 24th! Potluck! Sign up to bring food!" 12:58:16 (if Bill on Tom's "killfile", Bill doesn't see session on calendar, but Darlene Listener -does- see the listing even if she's not a player, since the session is open 12:58:48 paje, feed mark 12:58:49 * paje tosses markd2 a cookie 12:58:55 and maybe she'll bring her killer souffle) 13:00:12 paje, attack ! 13:00:12 Thursdayphylax: huh? 13:00:14 paje, attack 13:00:14 * paje bites marks ankle 13:00:54 Tim Trombone comes to the site, and says "I'm a trombone player, and looking for occasional lessons", and when in his workspace, notes Tom Trombone Teacher's listing 13:02:33 heh 13:02:40 Ricco Reporter comes to the site, says "I write for Jazz Times Newsletter", and sees all the sessions that hasn't killfiled him 13:03:05 * Thursdayphylax is training paje to be an evil do good b0t 13:03:10 paje, botsnack 13:03:10 thanks Thursdayphylax :) 13:04:11 and probably doesn't see the players-only sessions 13:05:07 * Thursdayphylax goes to work 13:06:14 so, given all that I'd want in my final result, what kind of data model do I need? or, how can I figure that out? and, what modeling tools are useful? 13:09:26 hmmmm 13:11:53 * davb suggests looking at dotlrn again :) 13:12:17 it seems to have similar goals to what you are looking for. 13:14:25 is dotlrn derived from openacs 4? 13:14:52 yes. it is openacs 4. with added stuff. 13:15:09 so it comes in the form of packages? 13:15:15 not yet. 13:15:24 only cvs. 13:15:28 dotlrn.openforce.net 13:15:46 but there are several packages that you add to openacs 4. 13:15:56 can I put my openacs 4 stuff on a .lrn? 13:15:59 i didn;t read that question ocrrectly. 13:16:01 sure. 13:16:20 but i am more suggesting just looking at it for idea. 13:16:27 right now its oracle only. 13:16:36 unless they ported it since I looked. 13:17:13 so there are .xql and .oracle.xql but no .postgres.xql? 13:17:34 yes. except for new-portal, which will go into openacs 4 anyway. 13:17:42 (and similar in packages/*/sql) 13:19:14 how are you feeling about the package{, instance} delete thing, esp in light of things like .lrn and other things you may have been working on in the meantime? do you still feel similar about the form? 13:19:17 yes. 13:20:04 jim: i haven't thought about it too much, but it seems like the right way to do it. 13:20:28 people who are just fooling around with the system really need it. it is too painful to reload the datamodel all the time. 13:20:32 do you think it needs more gel time? 13:20:48 yes, strongly agreed, there 13:21:14 well, I think it would be good if we think about other ways the contract will be used. 13:21:44 I can't even think about how -this- contract will be used :) 13:22:49 err, how it will be used in the way we've been thinking about it :) 13:24:09 oh sheesh, that's right, I have a -printer- now ;) 13:25:03 barstool is now known as talli 13:27:01 maybe I should just write one, and see how it works, and we can go from there :) 13:28:12 http://e4graph.sourceforge.net/ 13:28:12 B: http://e4graph.sourceforge.net/ from davb 13:28:33 B:| e4graph 13:28:33 titled item B 13:28:44 B: persistent storage for graph like data, uses metakit 13:28:44 added comment B1 13:29:52 B: C++ library with a Tcl binding 13:29:52 added comment B2 13:30:02 B: this sounds cool, but I have no idea how I would use it 13:30:02 added comment B3 13:31:27 B:http://radio.weblogs.com/0100136/2002/05/01.html#a156 - Paul Snively is planning on Carbonizing it 13:31:28 added comment B4 13:32:56 yeah! my openacs email finally arrived! 13:34:41 Yay! 13:34:49 paje revive davb 13:34:50 * paje gives davb CPR 13:37:53 woo hoo! 13:38:25 clear! 13:38:30 paje, clear! 13:38:31 * paje applies defibrulator paddles to *phylax 13:39:28 paje, it's happening again 13:39:28 * paje strokes markd2's head and whispers gently to calm his manic episode 13:42:05 * markd2 feels much better 13:45:03 paje, attack 13:45:03 * paje bites marks ankle 13:45:43 we need variables and I just ruined a cup of good coffee with apparently sour milk 13:47:47 ick 13:51:12 yup 13:51:22 dumped the whole thing 13:52:23 the downside of food that you didn't pay for is that you have no clue how old it is 13:57:06 *phylax, you can have reflexive variables - $who is the person sending the message 13:57:19 I don't think the infobot supports arbitrary processing of stuff 13:57:27 it's written in perl if you want to write a mod :-) 13:59:27 paje, owl is hoo hoo $who $who 13:59:27 OK, jim. 13:59:30 owl 13:59:37 owl? 13:59:37 hoo hoo jim jim 13:59:57 ok, so that's too simple :) 14:00:02 forget owl 14:00:02 jim: I forgot owl 14:07:09 alltelsucks (~markd2@h166-102-041-038.ip.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 14:07:10 markd2 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:07:33 alltelsucks is now known as markd2 14:29:13 markd2: are you on a dial-up or frame relay? 14:30:44 isdn dialup 14:47:27 integrated suck damn, not working 15:21:18 moo? 15:21:19 moo Thursdayphylax, glad to see you back! 15:21:24 paje botsnack 15:21:25 :) 15:22:33 moo? 15:22:33 moo davb, glad to see you back! 15:22:38 cool. 15:23:52 moo :) 15:25:17 mü? 15:25:39 hehehe 15:25:48 paje attack 15:25:48 * paje bites marks ankle 15:26:13 attack ~= /marks/mark's/ 15:26:16 paje attack 15:26:16 * paje bites marks ankle 15:26:20 hmmm 15:26:26 attack ~ /marks/mark's/ 15:26:29 paje attack 15:26:30 * paje bites marks ankle 15:27:38 paje, attack! 15:27:39 * paje bites Mark's ankle 15:28:20 paje sit 15:28:20 * paje sits on barstool 15:28:27 paje, getup 15:28:27 Thursdayphylax: sorry... 15:28:34 paje, get up 15:28:34 * paje get off of barstool 15:34:02 gitdown! 15:34:02 gitfunky 15:40:13 feed mark 15:40:13 * paje tosses markd2 a cookie 15:40:26 yay 15:50:05 WOOOW 15:50:15 ok, I need to inherit like 15,000$ 15:50:19 so I can buy me some toys 15:51:08 I thought you were getting rid of stuff 15:51:14 I was 15:51:18 but this stuff is small 15:51:20 very small 15:51:53 ok 15:52:02 Problem is 15:52:06 it's maaaad expensive :) 15:52:19 the digital semi-pro camera is 2,000$ 15:52:31 a few decent lenses are around 1,000$ a pop 16:26:52 rbm: you around? 16:35:28 davb: you around? 16:37:39 he was a bit ago 16:37:44 but paje ate him 16:37:59 paje, attack! 16:37:59 * paje bites Mark's ankle 16:38:05 d'oh, wrong person 16:38:37 ow 17:08:01 paje, seen denshi? 17:08:01 denshi was last seen on #openacs 2 days, 20 hours, 16 minutes and 33 seconds ago, saying: l8r [Tue Apr 30 14:52:09 2002] 17:08:13 hmmm... the bastard's ditched us 17:14:32 heh 17:14:37 maybe he's doing one of those 'vacation' things 17:14:44 or out playing in the Big Room 17:15:13 ugh 17:15:19 that's dirty 17:16:20 life's dirty. Drink milk. 17:18:28 hey markd2, wanna come chat in the #momentum channel? 17:18:47 sure 17:19:50 vinod (~vinod@208-59-182-16.s1540.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs 17:20:06 how come you guys don't do something for Apache 17:20:23 yo vinod 17:20:32 Thursdayphylax: becuase AOLserver friggin rocks! 17:20:44 Thursdayphylax: you mean for momentum or for OACS? 17:20:45 hey talli 17:21:41 is it still thursday? 17:22:12 vinod: touche 17:22:28 :-) 17:23:10 i hope i didn't unleash the wrath of talli 17:26:34 lalala 17:27:08 yo shagster 17:27:15 yo...yo... 17:27:21 I need a vacation 17:27:30 from your balls? 17:27:49 hey shagster 17:27:51 No, I rather enjoy them...maybe a little too much at times :) 17:27:58 Hey vinod 17:28:20 glad to hear you like them. sorry to know they are so small. 17:29:17 Well, they have to be, so there would be enough room down there :) 17:29:39 * shagster says #openacs OpenACS chat and TMI about shagster's body parts :) 17:31:06 vinod - LOL on the viagra thing 17:31:44 * vinod smiles innocently 17:32:28 * talli swallows another handful of pills 17:32:44 you're all mad, mad the lot of you. 17:32:47 it's amazing how all the blood rushes out of your brain so quickly 17:32:53 MAD 17:32:57 haha 17:33:14 docwolf is just upset that he doesn't have a gravy train like talli 17:34:03 heh 17:34:10 speaking of talli 17:34:22 i'm trying to build a decent, simple corporate site for wolf bioscience 17:34:23 * talli puts hands on ears 17:34:28 desropolis (desropolis@dsl254-091-187.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #openacs 17:34:30 and i'm thinking of stealing musea's stylesheet 17:34:33 pros/cons? 17:34:44 hi desropolis 17:34:54 hello fellas 17:35:00 hey desropolis ! 17:35:02 welcome! 17:35:08 docwolf: i like musea's site, and stealing from talli is always good 17:35:20