00:13:17 anyone here? 00:13:31 * Wednesdayphylax pokes davb 00:13:36 hi paje 00:14:55 talli has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01:05:28 talli (~chatzilla@talli.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 01:28:39 rzolf (~rolf@badgertronics.com) has joined #openacs 01:28:44 what on earth. 01:29:20 paje: seen markd2 01:29:20 markd2 was last seen on #openacs 3 hours, 49 minutes and 4 seconds ago, saying: fogging the film [Wed May 1 15:40:57 2002] 01:29:27 fogging the film. 01:29:33 hmm. 01:29:41 paje: help 01:29:51 paje: help memo 01:30:00 paje: help ? 01:30:25 what's the way to leave a memo on the bot? 01:30:28 paje: memo 01:30:29 rzolf: i'm not following you... 01:30:36 hmm 01:31:08 what sort ofbot is paje. 01:32:05 paje: what sort of bot are you. 01:32:05 no idea, rzolf 01:32:08 heh. 01:32:50 paje: version 01:32:51 rzolf: i'm not following you... 01:32:56 paje: help 01:33:03 paje: help version 01:33:13 paje: help main 01:33:34 paje: help karma 01:33:49 paje: help reply 01:34:03 paje: help alternation 01:34:13 hmm this is very exciting. 01:34:19 l8r. 01:34:21 rzolf has left #openacs 02:39:07 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 02:40:41 rzolf (~rolf@badgertronics.com) has joined #openacs 02:41:25 rzolf has quit (Client Quit) 02:42:14 hi 02:51:05 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 03:17:28 vinod (~vinod@207-172-97-3.s511.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs 03:58:48 vinod has quit ("changing universes") 04:08:01 Wednesdayphylax is now known as Thursdayphylax 10:48:49 til|away is now known as til 11:34:32 markd2 (~markd2@h166-102-041-035.ip.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 12:48:24 davb (~dave@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 12:48:34 'morning 12:48:53 hi 12:48:53 hola, davb 12:51:52 oops brb 12:51:55 davb has quit (Client Quit) 12:52:52 davb (~chatzilla@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 13:01:00 wtf 13:01:09 ods.org still has the wrong ip address. 13:02:31 what is ods.org? 13:06:32 cheap DNS service 13:06:56 They have a nifty control panel where you enter the info. it has the right address. 13:07:07 this the same group that had your dns info all mucked up a couple of months ago? 13:07:58 no, that was when my IP address changed. and I screwed up the entries :) 13:09:03 I just asked them what's up. 13:10:49 nm. its my ISP again. 13:10:54 this is driving me insane. 13:11:45 I gave up on my ISPs dns service 13:11:52 I'm parasiting off of the place I colocate with now 13:12:04 I wonder where the bogus entries are coming frm though. 13:12:07 it's really weird. 13:12:37 and apparently openacs.org also got the bogus entries, again. 13:13:02 if I use dig, it goes through my ISPs dns by default. 13:13:23 problem is, all my potential customers mostly use the same ISP, so they can't find my site :( 13:13:29 :-( 13:15:42 argh! 13:15:49 ok. time to cheat. 13:16:08 server1.thedesignexperience.org has the OLD address, BUT thedesignexperience.org address is good. 13:17:50 so i'll use the other host name to point www and mail to and it will "just work" 13:17:59 how annoying. 13:18:53 wow. it updated already! 13:21:16 thanks for listening to my crazy rants. 13:21:49 it's tough for paje, but he tries 13:26:57 heh 13:27:04 he should have a special mode 13:28:40 markd2 has left #openacs 13:28:42 markd2 (~markd2@h166-102-041-035.ip.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 13:48:43 morning 13:49:31 oom 13:49:55 * rbm 's parents will be here in 7 hours 13:50:08 cool. 13:50:38 They're probably flying over California now 13:50:58 on the last part of their 11 hour flight 13:54:56 oy 13:58:13 gonna invite them to the channel? 13:58:32 witness the majesty that is goat-worship 13:58:35 talli-no-pants 13:58:43 and folks getting thwacked(tm) with cookies 13:58:51 and vinod doing his naughty pirate dance 13:58:59 how did *I* lose my pants? 13:59:06 i thought it was vinod-no-pants? 13:59:17 vinod posted the pictures first 13:59:18 somehow, all of a sudden, his pants magically reappeared 13:59:24 and mine disappeared 13:59:27 oh, ok 13:59:41 (btw, i'm not wearing any pants right now 13:59:43 ) 14:03:44 lol 14:04:02 * Thursdayphylax waves a cookie to attract mark's attention 14:04:56 hello 14:04:57 bonjour, markd2 14:04:59 * Thursdayphylax gives mark a cookie 14:05:02 yay 14:05:10 one of the cats is out here on the screened-in porch with me 14:05:15 how 'bout paje? 14:05:15 going into total sensory overload 14:05:23 between the traffic, the birds, and the squirrels running around 14:05:23 paje: wanna cookie? 14:05:24 rbm: no idea 14:05:34 lol 14:05:44 who has access to paje's brain? 14:05:58 I have its code in my HD if that's what you mean :) 14:06:02 he needs to reply to "feed mark" with "/me tosses mark a cookie" 14:06:08 heh 14:06:21 paje: feed mark is tosses markd2 a cookie 14:06:21 OK, markd2. 14:06:23 feed mark 14:06:23 * paje tosses markd2 a cookie 14:06:36 feed mark 14:06:36 * paje tosses markd2 a cookie 14:06:37 paje: again! 14:06:37 * paje spanks talli 14:06:40 markd2: how did you make paje reply with "gitfunky" to "gitdown!" ? 14:06:51 gitfunky! 14:06:52 literal gitdown! 14:06:52 markd2: gitdown! =is= gitfunky 14:06:57 gitdown! 14:06:57 gitfunky 14:07:01 ah 14:07:08 gitdown! 14:07:08 gitfunky 14:07:11 lol 14:07:32 paje: sleep is goes to sleep 14:07:32 OK, Thursdayphylax. 14:07:34 sleep 14:07:39 paje sleep 14:07:39 * paje goes to sleep 14:07:43 haha 14:08:00 paje: wakeup is wakes up 14:08:00 OK, Thursdayphylax. 14:08:03 wakeup 14:08:07 paje wakeup 14:08:07 * paje wakes up 14:08:16 hehehe 14:08:59 I'm going to install those factoid packs. There are a bunch of tem. 14:09:02 s/tem/them/ 14:09:17 cool 14:09:38 paje sleep 14:09:39 * paje goes to sleep 14:12:29 Wow 14:12:37 I never knew how "big" Caroline's was 14:13:09 what's caroline's? 14:16:37 I was just about to ask 14:16:38 * Thursdayphylax thwaps© mark 14:17:01 Is this some pr0n stuff? 14:17:03 no 14:17:12 okay then :) 14:18:57 i want to go there 14:19:12 I think you'd do good on stage there 14:19:21 no, I think you'd be better 14:19:23 :p 14:19:39 only if they'll read a computer screen. I'm really dull in person 14:19:47 that'll be your act 14:19:48 lol 14:21:29 anyone know how buying stuff and having it sent somewhere else works? 14:21:51 depends on the vendor. 14:21:56 newegg.com 14:21:57 i heard newegg.com was good. I made a wish list, then I setup an accont, they did not lost davb's wish list. 14:22:13 heh 14:22:17 paje: botsnack 14:22:17 :) 14:22:40 Thursdayphylax: i don't think they will let you do it. I think you have to have it send to the CC billing address. 14:22:46 to prevent fraud. 14:23:18 no, there is a send somewhere else option 14:24:05 ah cool. 14:24:14 * davb is wrong again :( 14:25:00 heh 14:25:03 depends on the vendor. 14:25:18 some folks do bill-to / ship-to seperately 14:25:21 others just send to bill-to 14:25:34 yeah you're right 14:25:55 * Thursdayphylax buys so much crap online they all look the same 14:26:28 * Thursdayphylax gives Dave a cookie 14:26:48 oh great, stores install wireless cash registers without any encryption. fantastic. 14:27:21 ack 14:27:49 have you guys seen the coming soon sony phone/pda? http://www.sonyericsson.com/cebit/p800.htm 14:28:10 no 14:28:45 They had phone/pda siamese twins for a while now 14:28:49 Samsung makes one 14:29:02 as well as Visor 14:29:29 yeah but this one is cooler. it has a built in camera and more fun stuff. 14:29:46 but the sony one is not palm os. 14:30:47 heh 14:30:50 personally 14:30:55 I think it's a waste of money 14:31:13 You're then forced to use the wireless provider that supports your gadget 14:31:23 eg. Sprint...which sucks 14:31:44 * Thursdayphylax throws his phone against the wall and jumps on it some to make sure it's dead 14:33:41 Thursdayphylax: that is evil 14:33:55 especially when all the phone are the same and can work on any network. 14:35:13 they're not all the same 14:35:16 that's the problem 14:35:17 Thursdayphylax: that will have to change though. growth in the wireless industry will slow now that people are realizing they don't have a choice once they buy a phone. 14:35:27 ? sure they are. 14:35:42 there's GSM and like 3 different digital bands 14:35:44 plus analog 14:35:48 or some crap like that 14:35:49 Right. 14:36:12 I have never seen my Sprint phone used anywhere else besides sprint 14:36:15 But the digital phones usually support both, so they will work. 14:36:22 you're right...some phones do work on other networks 14:36:32 That is called roaming :) 14:36:35 Nokia phones for the most part are used in Voicestream and ATT 14:36:43 its an extra $.50 a minute 14:36:49 Dave 14:36:57 yes? 14:37:07 go find me a Sprint N200 that's used somewhere else besides Sprint 14:37:14 ack Sprint N200 = Samsung N200 14:37:24 Sprint is evil 14:37:33 I can't wait for my contract to expire 14:37:36 It "can" work, but I don't think they will let you. 14:37:44 the phone companies ALL suck. 14:37:46 yeah _they_ 14:37:54 No, Sprint more so than others 14:38:03 yes. 14:38:11 they charge YOU for calling their live customer service 3$! 14:38:19 aigh. 14:38:23 I asked them why they did that 14:38:25 that is free on verizon. 14:38:53 their answer was..."We have Claire" which is their idiotic answering machine with very poor AI 14:39:28 wacky. 14:39:53 yes 14:40:00 and they screwed up on billing 14:40:06 so I had to call them about that 14:40:25 I should have just let them figure it out on their own since I set up automatic credit card payments 14:45:08 i think I will start saving for a 2nd Digital Camera 14:45:39 I'll buy your first one :) 14:45:56 hehe 14:46:03 I'm going to keep it :) 14:46:17 It's not that bad 14:46:39 Olympus 2040Z that i got because of a dent in my roof 14:46:48 I want like the E-20N 14:47:10 * rbm fails to see the connection between a dent in the roof and a digital camera 14:47:53 car got smashed...insurance paid up once...body shop put dent in roof and argued it wasn't them...insurance company paid up again...I was pissed at bodys shop and bought a camera... 14:48:18 now I have a digital camera and a dent in my roof 14:53:54 I was thinking it was a dent in the roof of your house 14:54:38 nope, just my car 15:05:01 * davb wonders if openacs.org took me off their list yet, or if the DNS is still hosed. 15:05:52 ack, Thursdayphylax I think you are more correct. there a only 3 different "standards" but apparently a million different implementations for cell phones. 15:06:20 sounds like web technology 15:06:32 If the implementations would stick to the standards it would be okay. 15:06:49 But of course... they don't 15:08:13 and from this article I am reading, GSM is based on the old technology. their is a new UMTS that is supposed to fix everything :) 15:09:15 yeah...fix everything 15:09:30 just tell me where to plop the next 200$ for the cell phone 15:10:32 tri-mode phone. 15:10:50 yeah..they have those tri-mode phones 15:10:57 they had them for a while 15:11:02 and they still aren't compatible :) 15:11:11 oh yeah...hold on, I have to upgrade my phone 15:12:53 heh 15:17:45 is the illustrious markd2 here? 15:18:40 paje: feed markd2 15:18:40 rbm: i'm not following you... 15:18:48 eerr 15:19:02 paje, seen markd2 15:19:02 markd2 was last seen on #openacs 12 minutes and 42 seconds ago, saying: sounds like web technology [Thu May 2 09:07:01 2002] 15:19:07 paje: feed mark 15:19:07 * paje tosses markd2 a cookie 15:19:32 paje: feed markd2 is tosses markd2 a cookie 15:19:33 OK, rbm. 15:50:28 * Thursdayphylax makes coax cable 15:54:33 vinod (~vinod@208-59-182-33.s1557.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs 15:56:08 vinod, you left your pants here last night 15:56:24 unfortunately, paje ate them 15:56:58 paje feed mark 15:56:59 * paje tosses markd2 a cookie 15:57:29 damnit paje! 15:57:30 hi vinod 15:57:34 hey davb 16:06:43 http://www.themorningnews.org/archives/editorial/mens_fashion_part_3_pants.shtml 16:06:43 A: http://www.themorningnews.org/archives/editorial/mens_fashion_part_3_pants.shtml from davb 16:09:47 * markd2 wakes up 16:10:04 http://www.joelonsoftware.com/news/20020427.html 16:10:04 B: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/news/20020427.html from davb 16:10:22 B:|Joel on Featuritis 16:10:22 titled item B 16:14:19 davb: i disagree with that pants article 16:14:24 "Men without lower garments are either indigent or flashers, and while either case can win you attention, it's not likely to be favorable." 16:14:33 that's just plain bigotry 16:17:02 hey markd2 16:20:59 AaronSw (~aaronsw@63.149.73.20) has joined #openacs 16:21:04 whoa! BenA sent me an email 16:23:08 you sure it's not a virus - he sent rbm a virus last week :-) 16:23:22 not quite :) 16:25:26 heh 16:26:29 d'oh 16:26:51 someone who has ben in their address book emailed rbm a virus. 16:27:27 that makes more sense, since his message is X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 16:27:34 oh - that's what it was 16:27:40 * vinod gets foggy about details 16:27:56 * davb can hardly see vinod through all this fog 16:28:10 whoa, they have openforce.biz 16:28:13 * vinod smiles so davb can see his white teeth 16:28:17 http://www.dbexperts.net/postgresql 16:28:18 C: http://www.dbexperts.net/postgresql from davb 16:28:32 C:|Postgresql by dbexperts 16:28:32 titled item C 16:28:54 C: Includes windows and Mac OS X versions, along with a custom Linux installer 16:28:55 added comment C1 16:29:02 that looks pretty cool. 16:29:13 much easier to sneak software in when there is a vendor. 16:29:45 I know dbExperts well 16:30:10 hey there is more stuff on dotlrn.mit.edu too 16:30:15 It's good to have a vendor, but I don't like it that they are lying about their product 16:30:28 they are, I didn't read everything :( 16:30:29 They say their version of PG is compiled natively for Windows, which is just not true 16:30:41 that is sneaky 16:31:02 rbm how do they do it? 16:31:11 Their "version" is just PG+Cygwin with a windows installer and a little app that hooks to the taskbar to start/stop PG 16:31:13 they have some emulation layer, but it can't be cygwin, right? 16:31:17 ah, ok 16:31:20 well, if it works... 16:31:46 I've wanted to create a windows installer for PG, but I never find the time. 16:31:50 PG+cygwin and an installer can be damn well worth the money 16:32:19 talli: Yes. I have nothing againts them selling it, obviously. My problem is that they lie about it. 16:32:33 yeah 16:32:59 Anyone run windows here? aside from Dave 16:33:10 I do, ocasionally (15 mins per week or so{) 16:33:26 i run win98 inside mac virtualpc 16:33:27 tricky: "Native Windows application (as a tray icon )" 16:33:36 heh, the tray icon is a native windows program. 16:34:03 My wife uses it. She is starting to dislike microsoft, but plays games. 16:34:21 she said, I wish there was some way to run these games without using MS windows. 16:35:18 it says this too: "Runs as a native windows service" 16:36:19 hey there is more stuff on dotlrn.mit.edu too! 16:37:27 nice. the forums like goes to openacs.org. and the companies link goes to the company list at openacs.org 16:41:59 larspind (~none@213.237.67.169.adsl.by.worldonline.dk) has joined #openacs 16:42:18 larspind! 16:42:23 hi lars 16:42:41 greets 16:44:37 Hey Guys 16:44:42 Long time :) 16:44:56 no chat 16:45:01 What's cooking? 16:45:16 yo lars 16:45:33 Hey talli ... I always end up doing what you tell me to :) 16:45:42 did everyone pick up on that? 16:45:49 larspind: has it failed you yet? 16:45:58 tell the rest what a good idea it is to follow my lead 16:46:06 Heh. 16:46:22 * rbm leaves 16:47:10 i have to agree with talli. following him has got me a lot of beer 16:47:32 I always agree with talli 16:47:34 except on the pants issue 16:47:39 I always wear pants 16:48:35 markd2: guess what i did last night? 16:48:50 I ported your cool knowledge-base app to openacs4 16:48:58 sweet! 16:49:01 all 14 lines of code 16:49:07 haha - yup! 16:49:29 for borkware I've added a little feature if ya want it 16:49:40 you can use category names in addition to the info id 16:50:00 like http://borkware.com/quickies/one?topic=Screen Savers 16:50:10 ya i want the cheezy poofs 16:50:14 cool! 16:50:15 hmm.. I think I need to urlencode that 16:50:54 Im gonna have links into the quickies for my next macedition article, and don't want things to break if I have to scram the db and re-load it 16:51:19 also includes code to randomly change the image at the top of the page :-) 16:52:05 herE: http://badgertronics.com/hacks/quickies.tar.gz 16:52:24 excellent - i'm working on moving stuff into the CR and adding 'references' so I can put random medical info that i learn into one place 16:52:45 nice 16:52:55 maybe it'll get to 50 lines of code 16:53:28 haha - if it does, then i'll split it up. i can't think about more than 50 lines at a time 16:54:04 vinod: cool. 16:54:19 hey markd2, wanna write some cool C code that will change the world? 16:54:28 vinod: how about you? 16:54:28 you is god's gift to irc 16:54:31 sure, if it's easy 16:54:33 you're a C hacker now! 16:54:45 char *world = "changed"; 16:54:51 bus error, passangers dumped 16:54:52 wanna help write a new server that will save the children of Uganda!?!? 16:55:07 Uganda, no 16:55:17 now talk Swaziland, and we have a deal 16:55:24 vinod: i hope that's a global variable... 16:55:38 ok, Swaziland, and I'll through in Djibuti too 16:55:42 ba dum bum 16:55:49 [Talli wearPants: YES style: NSGolfPlaid]; 16:56:12 markd2: http://www.museatech.net/faq/momentum 16:58:02 I need to get my dyslexia checked 16:58:26 I read a sentence there as "some of the latest and most amusing technologies" 16:59:11