00:29:03 damn I'm tired 00:37:40 * rbm sends a virtual massager to Tuesdayphylax-aw 00:37:48 why 00:38:59 yay 00:39:03 newegg paid up 00:39:07 I like a massage when I'm tired, that's all :) 00:39:09 and i paid off my bills 00:39:17 * rbm taps Tuesdayphylax-aw on the back 00:39:27 after i survive until next wednesday :) 00:39:41 Roberto will get a new compooter 00:40:50 * rbm is trying to compoote turing machines now 00:40:54 yay! 00:42:33 oh man 00:42:40 you're trying to compoot a turing machine 00:42:43 damn that's hard :-D 00:42:46 heheh 00:44:23 * Tuesdayphylax-aw calculates the rest of his debts 00:44:49 Tuesdayphylax-aw is now known as Timesheetophylax 00:47:31 * rbm goes back to studying 00:50:19 talli has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01:25:23 * davb goes to reinstall win98 01:25:26 wish me luck 01:25:29 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 02:10:46 davb (~chatzilla@alb-24-58-160-79.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 02:10:53 hi from mozilla 1.0rc1 02:33:04 * lethedrinker notes that mozilla is the emacs of browsers 02:33:43 it does everything? and then some? 02:34:09 i figured it was the easiest way to get IRC on my wife's computer. 02:35:02 lethedrinker: if you figure out the "get all the children" query can you post a sample here? 02:36:09 so IE isn't really the windows OS? hmmm... 02:36:26 shhhhhhhhhhh 02:36:39 oh, sorry :) 02:36:43 mozilla 1.0rc1 it working very nice. its fast. 02:37:25 davb: sure 02:37:33 thanks. 02:37:45 i don't have a schema yet... it will be a few days. 02:37:48 davb: i think this works... 02:37:50 select o1.object_type, tree_level(o1.tree_sortkey) as path_depth 02:37:50 from acs_object_types o1, acs_object_types o2 02:37:50 where o2.object_type = 'relationship' 02:37:57 and o1.tree_sortkey between o2.tree_sortkey and tree_right(o2.tree_sortkey) 02:38:01 ok. 02:38:19 i'm not sure if there's a simpler way to do it or not 02:38:34 I will test it out. I had something like that, but it returned duplicates. i must have screwed it up. 02:39:45 vinod. will that get all the children of one node though? 02:40:01 or am I asking the wrong question? 02:40:10 i think it will get all the children of 'relationship' (in this example) 02:40:19 ah. 02:40:21 ok. 02:40:36 oh, plus it gets 'relationship', which isn't technically a child 02:40:37 so iI could say where o2.object_id=my_object_id. 02:40:44 right 02:40:50 cool. 02:41:09 i think this keyboard shrank. 02:41:10 very cool. 02:42:06 I think I am going to buy a couple spare of the "real" ibm keyboards at the next computer fair, and chop off the numeric keypad. 02:42:57 davb: step away from the keyboard.... slowly.... 02:43:02 heh., 02:43:55 put the keyboard DOWN! 02:44:02 hmmm. anyone on the aolserver list? 02:44:02 freeze! drop the milling machine! 02:44:07 darn. 02:44:16 davb: i am. why? 02:44:21 I found this place that sells books on building machine shop tools out of spare parts. 02:44:42 * jim continues preparing... 02:44:47 my dns was temporarily hosed and some email isn't getting around. I wondered if anyone responded to my post about namespace etc... 02:45:19 nope, i haven't seen any responses yet 02:45:35 darn. 02:45:57 argh. reinstalling windows invoked the same error i had before. 02:46:12 i need a spare harddrive to install win2k on. 02:50:07 davb has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.6 [Mozilla rv:1.0rc1/20020417]") 02:50:08 hmm 02:50:15 you have 35$? 02:50:32 davb (~chatzilla@alb-24-58-160-79.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 02:50:38 wb dave 02:50:41 oops 02:50:43 you have 35$ for a hard drive? 02:50:45 thanks 02:50:54 Maybe after payday. 02:51:21 but I am very interested. 02:52:24 they usually sell lots of misc parts there cheap 02:52:31 if you need anything, I'll doit 02:54:28 alot of DSL modems. 02:54:37 well, it's a broadband site ;) 02:54:44 I have a DSL router and a DSL modem that i am not using. 02:54:47 * Timesheetophylax wonders if he should get syslogd or nixadmin on his plates 02:54:51 sell it 02:55:02 I didn't think anyone would buy it. I think I will. 02:55:32 Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 45 20GB 7200RPM Model# 52049H3 Warranty expires MAR04 -- $55 02:55:47 talli (~chatzilla@talli.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 02:56:09 anyone home this eve? 02:56:12 not bad. but I can get a 40gb for $76 :) 02:56:25 i guess so... 02:56:31 hi talli 02:56:31 you can probably hit him up for a lower price 02:56:36 true. 02:56:40 a lot of people will settle 5-15$ lower 02:57:01 hey talli 02:57:17 hey vinod 02:57:30 what's doin' with yer pants this eve? 02:57:42 they're around here somewhere 02:58:02 * Timesheetophylax heads to bed 02:58:03 where is the win98 registry files? 02:58:14 yay, tomorrow is time sheet day! 02:58:17 :) 02:58:46 nm, they are hidden, duh. 02:58:54 hey - like my pants! 02:58:57 too long in the real world. hard to think in fantasy land. 03:33:44 * rbm peeks into the channel 03:35:23 hey, we're having a nice convo in #momentum 03:36:25 oh, there's a #momentum already? 03:36:32 from the first day! 03:36:46 cool. I'll stop by when finals are over 03:37:02 congrats on graduation, rbm ? 03:37:04 whoops 03:37:07 no question meant 03:47:58 davb_ (~chatzilla@alb-24-58-160-125.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 03:48:13 davb has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: davb_!~chatzilla@alb-24-58-160-125.nycap.rr.com))) 03:48:24 davb_ is now known as davb 03:49:47 talli: Thanks. 04:06:56 talli is now known as barstool 04:18:03 bye 04:18:04 davb has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.5 [Mozilla rv:0.9.8/20020204]") 07:27:57 vinod has quit ("changing universes") 08:24:17 anyone awake? :) I need some help checking something out... 11:37:33 til (~tils@62.116.19.11) has joined #openacs 11:38:50 markd2 (~markd2@h166-102-041-180.ip.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 11:50:59 http://knighthoodofbuh.org/nopants/ 11:51:00 A: http://knighthoodofbuh.org/nopants/ from markd2 11:51:07 A:|Talli has a national holiday now? 11:51:07 titled item A 12:31:58 lolk 12:32:07 intriguing but i think that will get me fired 12:50:31 til is now known as til|away 13:13:24 davb (~dave@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 13:13:37 hello 13:17:17 darn. 13:17:30 I fixed my windows 98, and now linux is screwed up. 13:18:39 :-( 13:19:30 I had to switch my win98 drive to be the master drive, which screwed up lilo, because it pointed to /dev/hda. so I tried to switch lilo to /dev/hdb, and that didn't work. 13:19:35 I'll fix it later. 13:19:52 the folks in my LUG like grub over lilo 13:20:11 me too. but debian installed lilo, and I am too lazy to learn how to switch. 13:20:15 heh 13:20:24 but I think I will now. 13:24:30 grub is easy 13:29:38 * davb gets surprising informative help from #linux! 13:29:41 wow 13:30:23 * markd2 makes sure the earth hasn't stopped rotating 13:30:55 heh 13:42:25 :) 13:42:31 hi Timesheetophylax 13:42:35 hey Dave 13:42:46 * Timesheetophylax wonders how many people know his real name 13:42:57 I do. you emailed me :) 13:43:09 Propho 13:43:11 ? 13:43:11 Prophophylax 13:43:13 ROFL 13:43:14 no 13:43:33 I've got an email from ya somewhere in my archives too 13:43:37 So We Can Find Out 13:44:20 hehe 13:44:33 but you don't know it off the top of your head :( 13:44:39 * Timesheetophylax goes to sit in the corner and cry 13:44:40 brb 13:45:00 heh 13:45:07 poor Nikolay 13:45:34 Ñîkòlå¥ 13:58:19 :) 13:58:20 Nick 13:58:22 nick is fine 13:58:26 /nick 13:58:40 but you'll always be *phylax to us 13:58:51 phunkyphylax 13:58:55 lol 13:59:08 Nikophylax? 13:59:27 whats the ascii code for TAB? 13:59:37 13? 13:59:42 13 or 10 I think 13:59:47 ok. thanks 14:00:00 wait 14:00:09 tab is 9 in Decimal 14:00:19 ok. 14:00:34 i was thinking of newline --> carriage return (10==>13) 14:01:12 cool. 14:01:14 works great 14:02:58 it's control-I 14:03:31 handy in emacs - sometimes control-i is more convient than the tab key 14:05:24 heh. doesn't work in access. I have to build a formatted string or results including CR+LF and tabs. 14:06:33 arg 14:10:01 it works. it's not pretty, but it works. 14:10:09 What I really want is for Emacs to insert a TAB when I hit TAB, instead of indenting 14:10:39 markd2 has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:10:53 ratz! I was hoping markd2 would answer that 14:10:59 actually that makes sense. C-i means indent. 14:11:10 markd2 (~markd2@h166-102-041-180.ip.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 14:11:24 What I really want is for Emacs to insert a TAB when I hit TAB, instead of indenting 14:11:29 * rbm pokes markd2 14:11:46 rbm: will do that, in fundamental mode 14:12:24 or maybe you could swap keybindings 14:13:17 yes that would be nice 14:14:50 rbm: C-Q tab 14:14:54 or C-Q C-I 14:15:51 C-Q is veddy nice. handy in query-replace or replace-string if you want to do stuff with newlines 14:15:55 (use C-Q C-J for those) 14:17:30 brb 14:17:33 davb has quit () 14:18:00 C-Q or C-q (or doesn't matter)? 14:18:35 davb (~chatzilla@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 14:20:03 markd2: Thanks. I'll change my bindings for Tab to become C-q tab now 14:24:03 cool. I have mozilla hooked up to my mail, so I won't suffer email withdrawl when I can't ssh into my home machine. 14:25:25 hmm 14:25:39 * Timesheetophylax strikes up deals on behalf of Roberto for computer hardware 14:26:01 * rbm rejoices 14:26:22 mozilla 1.0rc1 is definitely faster, at least on windows. 14:26:39 faster than say 0.99? 14:27:04 yes. 14:41:56 Timesheetophylax: know anything about small cases? I am building a PC for my dad and he doesn't have alot of room. 14:45:09 you mean "FlexATX"? 14:48:01 perfect solution for "non-gaming" audiences 14:48:16 What's he using the box for anyway? 14:51:04 * Timesheetophylax punts Dave into cookie batter 14:52:15 oooh..."JEDI TRX" is available as a license plate 14:55:23 don't forget that saturday is national Star Wars day! 14:55:30 Is it? 14:55:41 yep 14:55:44 May the Fourth 14:55:45 be with you 14:55:58 * Timesheetophylax is not really a SW fanatic 14:56:05 ROFL 14:59:48 What happened to dave and roberto 15:00:01 Real Life problably intruded 15:00:06 going for a bike ride. bbl 15:00:09 markd2 has quit ("Bork") 15:09:00 Timesheetophylax: hi. he just uses mostly internet stuff. 15:13:22 Timesheetophylax : also what was that mb with everything on it you mentioned? 15:14:05 ECS one? 15:14:19 Dave, the Shuttle SpaceWalker would work very well then 15:15:05 it really depends on what you're trying to accomplish 15:16:07 smallish machine. not too much $$$. I don't actually _need_ everything on the mb. its just easier. 15:16:25 oh yeah. I don't need video on the mb either. unless its pretty good. 15:17:12 well 15:17:46 you can: 1. get a FlexATX solution...just add: memory, processor, hard drive, cd-rom, floppy 15:18:11 or: 2. buy all of that plus video card, motherboard, case, ps, sound, network 15:19:57 $219 is pretty good for the PIII model of that case/mb. 15:20:52 yeah 15:20:56 but if you do the math 15:21:09 it will come out to about the same price if you got the things separately 15:21:17 right. 15:21:25 As in...that limits you to things you can buy 15:21:36 well I can save $40-50 by going with an AMD solution instead of PIII 15:21:45 right 15:22:50 actually a AMD tbird 950 is $58 15:22:59 thats almost half. 15:23:06 Don't get anything less than a 1Ghz 15:23:14 Is he planning on running Linux? 15:23:57 nah. 15:24:32 You are probably right. I have the 950 in my machine though. its pretty spiffy. 15:25:05 yeah my 750 is my primary machine even though I have 2 other machines that are over 1.4Ghz 15:25:08 go figure.... 15:25:12 plus my free mb only went up to 1ghz :) 15:25:32 You have a number you don't want to go over? 15:25:48 i'll tell ya what parts to get :) 15:25:49 ~500 15:25:53 lol 15:25:59 I was thinking more like 300$ 15:26:03 I need pretty much everything. 15:26:20 ok, I'll make you a wishlist from Newegg at lunch 15:26:27 cool thanks. 15:26:32 :) 15:26:33 that is probably faster than this :) 15:26:39 I am not a hardware nerd anymore. 15:26:47 You want "budget" stuff or you want "average" 15:27:42 average. that way I don't have to upgrade for longer. 15:27:54 Actually make it ~400 15:28:08 D'oh 15:28:24 mozilla 1.0rc1 has a little "you've got mail" popup. 15:28:25 Average + 400 = compromises 15:28:39 ah. well then switch to "bugerage" 15:28:43 ok 15:28:50 Anything specific you want/need? 15:29:08 he has a 300 mhz something that can't take 128mb memory sticks. 15:29:34 yeah, does he have any other parts? 15:29:35 just regular stuff. dvd-rom maybe. 15:29:42 Eg. Old PC100/PC133 ram? 15:29:57 I was talking more like...Must have Athlon XP processor 15:30:03 I think its pc100, 128mb. 15:30:06 must have 64mb video card 15:30:25 you know the ECS board can use old PC100/133 ram 15:30:32 until you want to upgrade to DDR 15:30:38 that can save 80$ right there 15:31:32 that is cool. 15:32:34 of course that's a performance hit :D 15:33:20 barstool is now known as talli 15:33:30 yeah, but I am running oracle on my 950 with pc133 ram. 15:33:43 * Timesheetophylax sits on talli 15:33:50 it will be faster than what he has now :) 15:34:00 mmkay 15:34:18 * talli introduces Timesheetophylax to buttplugs 15:34:32 ? 15:36:39 heh, dave, I have a low budget PC wishlist already 15:36:45 Did he want a CD-RW? 15:36:53 And how big of a hard drive does he need? 15:37:33 5400 or 7200? 15:37:34 7480 15:37:44 paje: botsnack 15:37:45 :) 15:37:47 5400+7200 / 2 15:37:48 9000 15:38:05 (5400 + 7200) / 2 15:38:05 6300 15:38:08 good paje 15:38:58 Timesheetophylax: maybe cdrw. hard drive 30 or 40, I guess. whatever is the best value these days. 15:39:07 5400 or 7200? 15:39:07 7480 15:39:11 shut up paje! 15:39:26 5400 and 7200? 15:39:27 12600 15:39:28 ack. does it matter? 15:39:32 slightly 15:39:42 Is your father planning on running Oracle too? 15:39:47 no :) 15:39:53 5400 works fine 15:40:10 cool. 15:40:56 ooh 15:40:58 I know 15:42:02 482$ shipped to your door 15:42:14 Doh 15:42:20 forgot the case and heatsink 15:42:24 I'll work on it more 15:43:14 check your e-mail 15:43:46 the CD+RW/DVD thing is kick-ass for only 98$ 15:43:59 Best of all worlds 15:45:00 not good to use a cd-rw as a reader 15:45:24 * rbm is 2:15 h away from his final 15:45:38 * rbm feels the anxiety building up 15:45:39 rbm: why not? 15:46:33 davb: burners have more overhead on moving the laser beam around. 15:46:49 ah. 15:47:03 DVD/CDRW might have 3 lasers... 15:47:27 I don't think so. I think it just send different wavelengths 15:47:32 sends even 15:47:39 ah. 15:47:55 but for a low use machine, i think it will be fine. 15:47:58 oh well 15:48:08 Still a good solution for someone on the budget 15:48:11 I could imagine it having 2 lasers, but I don't think it does 15:48:30 Yes, it's a good solution, but don't expect longevity on the burner if you'll be using it for lots of reading 15:48:44 that 15:48:50 that's why there's a warranty :P 15:49:27 warranties last only one year in general 15:51:16 5,436 hours is how many days? 15:51:31 5,436 / 24 15:51:37 paje: 5436 / 24 15:51:37 226.5 15:51:44 good enough for me 15:51:52 that's less than a year 15:52:14 2/3 of a year 15:52:43 hehe 15:55:26 markd2 (~markd2@h166-102-041-180.ip.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 15:55:45 * Timesheetophylax gives mark a cookie 15:56:33 woo hoo! 15:58:00 hehe 15:58:15 can't quiet get woo hoo but W000 H00 is not taken 15:59:37 lol 15:59:41 WOOT is available too 16:00:23 so is GTMYWAY 16:02:06 abbaJ has quit (Remote closed the connection) 16:07:07 newegg.com is good. I made a wish list, then I setup an accont, they did not lost my wish list. 16:08:36 cookie 16:08:40 * Timesheetophylax hides from mark 16:08:52 email me your wishlist 16:09:12 ok. 16:09:28 * markd2 wishes for cookies 16:09:58 newegg has them, go kill newegg 16:10:03 markd2 smells like goats 16:10:14 no-pants-man! 16:12:07 you're playing with fire bandejo 16:12:37 * markd2 plays the fire banjo 16:13:35 dave, did you send it? 16:13:39 i hope you're fueling your tango 16:13:50 I'm fueling the beat 16:13:53 gitdown! 16:13:53 gitfunky 16:14:02 Timesheetophylax: still building... 16:14:09 paje was a little slow on that one 16:14:09 talli: what? 16:14:18 exacto 16:17:16 http://www.bbspot.com/News/2000/5/clock_rift.html 16:17:17 B: http://www.bbspot.com/News/2000/5/clock_rift.html from talli 16:17:28 B: Overclocker Creates Rift in Space-Time Continuum 16:17:28 added comment B1 16:19:13 dave, mail me what you have 16:30:33 Timesheetophylax: if it says P4 power suppl;y. will it work for AMD? 16:30:46 yes 16:30:58 It just means it comes with an extra connector thing 16:31:01 ok. 16:31:02 that they use on Pee4 boards 16:31:03 cool. 16:31:16