00:00:22 jim (~jim@12-233-225-152.client.attbi.com) has joined #openacs 00:00:31 re 00:00:35 Hi Jim 00:00:40 add an ht to the front 00:00:52 htre? 00:01:02 ROFL 00:01:02 no 00:02:18 on their site it says Rated up to 1.2Ghz duron and higher 00:03:16 I'm going to visit a neighbor. brb 00:03:28 ok 00:03:33 and I'm going to watch the Simpsons 00:03:50 don't let them catch you! 00:22:33 ahhhh crap 00:22:42 Attack of the Drones is coming out in the middle of may 00:22:47 I can see the stampedes now 00:30:35 Simpsophylax is now known as AlmostMondayphyl 00:30:44 hi jim 00:30:44 AlmostMondayphyl is now known as Mondayphylax 00:30:48 hi dave 00:30:56 hi Mondayphylax 00:32:13 I can't believe it's almost Monday 00:32:24 is this really what my next 45 years will be like? 00:39:52 if roberto shows up, tell him I'll be back later 00:57:49 argh 00:57:55 aolserver 4 fixes nothing. 00:58:01 nothingggggg 00:58:06 NOOOOTHHHHHINNGGGGGG! 00:58:29 they rewrote all the connection code, but have serious issues with the basic tcl interpreters. 00:59:14 that's bad 00:59:41 annyoing anyway. 00:59:50 hey guys look at this job description: 00:59:52 The following is desirable a minimum of three years experience in IIS installation, setup and administration, two years experience in programming using XML techniques and one year experience developing Web Services using XML and C-Sharp. 01:00:11 one year experience with "C-Sharp"???? 01:00:20 has the thing even been around for a year? 01:00:21 has it even been released yet? 01:00:30 yeah it's been released 01:00:37 thats ok they were saying 5 years Java when it was out for 3. 01:00:46 my friend told me that a year after java was released, job ads were asking for 4 years experience 01:00:55 I think Betas of C# were floating around last summer 01:02:07 ok, so now I have to grovel around in the aolserver c code to see how the interpreters are built. because the procs to detect packages are not in there. 01:03:02 So I kind of solved the no grayscale font problem 01:03:07 actually, I could write a C module for aolserver that makes package require work. at least in theory. 01:03:13 got a less crappy printer? 01:03:20 :) 01:03:52 the virtual server stuff in aolserver 4 looks cool though. 01:05:28 no, I used a different driver 01:05:35 cool. 01:06:39 or I think I can just patch init.tcl that is called by aoslerver instead of the tcl version. 01:07:06 basically the aolserver version does nothing, except create to variables that screws up my code. 01:08:36 the weird thing is the package code used to be in aolserver. 01:11:03 what the hell 01:11:07 someone took my plates already? 01:11:16 i thought you ordered them 01:11:20 no 01:11:27 oh 01:11:28 my friends suggested I get different one 01:11:30 "syslogd" 01:11:56 but I think their servlet is just dead 01:12:01 could be. 01:12:11 It takes quiet a while to look something up and it comes up as plate not avaiable 01:14:49 davb: are you saying you are going to learn C and become an AOLserver hacker?> 01:14:58 maybe one day. 01:15:00 you'll get a lot more pub for that... 01:15:04 first I will try the tcl alternative. 01:15:08 heh 01:17:06 well, if you want a job, i say screw OACS 01:17:11 everyone seems to want .net 01:17:38 * rbm is back 01:18:23 :) 01:19:14 actually what I want to do is learn what is going on so I understand what I am doing, as opposed to clicking on a few buttons. 01:19:40 yay 01:21:18 Roberto: this is the heatsinks I have 01:21:31 Vantec CCK 01:21:33 or 01:22:23 ah. 01:22:35 get the quieter one. 01:25:52 afa oacs, are people mostly settling on pg-7.1.3? 01:26:35 (reason I ask, is I'm about to print reference manuals... wanna know which I should print) 01:27:30 jim: it works on 7.2 01:28:12 I had 7.2 for awhile (while my system was somewhat unstable) 01:28:31 (that was a ram problem; fixed it) 01:28:46 ah. but openfts and search I think only work on 7.1 01:30:21 ok, then I'm printing 7.1 stuff for now 01:32:06 how do you count pages in a .ps? 01:38:46 Mondayphylax: Okay. Err, sounds good. 01:38:46 stealing an idea from swhack 01:39:00 [[[ 01:39:02 C# and Common Language Runtime strike me as having hairy models. 01:39:02 (They're not functional, but I'm covering the understanding angle.) 01:39:02 A practitioner in that environment is not supposed to understand it all. 01:39:02 Instead, one is expected to just accept what all the wheels are doing. 01:39:03 Environments where practitioners must believe in magic are not okay. 01:39:08 ]]] - David McCusker 01:39:14 that sounds about right to me. 01:39:41 I actually got interested in doing some .NET work, but I can't afford what MS charges to get started 01:40:01 Visual Studio .NET costs $100 for academic edition, which is not so bad, but still. 01:41:35 Mondayphylax: So is this available at newegg? 01:45:39 that's the whole thing there isn't it. 01:46:17 I have learned more since I started using linux 2 years ago than I did the rest of the time i have been working with computers. 01:47:48 davb: same here 01:48:47 but I suppose now, if I was serious, I would buy tools. I pay for graphics tools. but for learning the free stuff is very useful. 01:50:23 you can pay for free (speech) tools. 01:50:39 ah true :) 01:51:14 I will probably learn C programming from reading AOLserver source. 01:51:29 davb: That's a good source to read. 01:51:41 davb: Grab "The C Programming Language". It's a small book. 01:51:55 yeah. i need it. 01:51:55 Wow, rocks! 01:52:17 One guy submitted 4 bug reports against my IRMP3 Debian package, _all_ with patches fixing everything! 01:52:54 great. 01:52:57 are you in btw? 01:53:04 in what? 01:53:21 Mondayphylax: rbm, debian devel 01:53:33 oh 01:54:53 davb: Not yet, but I have a package in that is uploaded by another Debian Devel 01:55:01 ah. cool. 01:55:03 Crap, I'll have to leave again. 01:55:07 *sighs* 01:55:14 brb 01:59:26 ok, i give up. 01:59:49 i will need to hack something into aolserver. 02:00:25 the tcl environment variables need to be in there. and the unknown etc... procs need to be loaded in the interpreters. I might be a tcl/C fix. 02:01:21 here is the problem. when AOLserver creates an interpter it copies the _commands_ from the initial interpeter. but not the variables. 02:01:40 so they all get lost. 02:05:45 of course tcl_library is ambiguous in aolserver. 02:06:40 I am off. bb tomorrow 02:08:12 davb: You should really e-mail the aolserver list about this 02:14:11 yeah, but I kinda want to understand exactlly what the problem is first. 02:25:09 OK, I want to try putting stuff in the user's workspace 02:58:02 hey rbm, how often do you see griznog? 02:58:56 i mean john hanks? 02:59:03 talli: Pretty often 02:59:14 He's usually on #linux at fslc.usu.edu 02:59:20 ah, ok 02:59:26 i'll bug him tomorrow 02:59:28 Phisically I see him quite often too. 02:59:43 he said he might be able to come up with a list of exchange features he likes 03:00:34 that would be a big help for momentum 03:00:48 griznog is big into exchange. He knows it quite well. 03:00:58 i have another friend who has been doing systems architecture for a couple of years 03:01:03 he wants to help write design docs 03:01:10 how about your friend who is the tech writer? 03:01:23 He's Bob on the aforementioned #linux 03:01:41 Mondayphylax: Still there? 03:01:42 i guess there is a package for emacs somewhere and its built into mozilla now. 03:01:48 :-) 03:02:12 cool 03:02:34 worthless buzzwords: http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/evaluation/features/default.asp 03:10:57 paje: again! 03:10:57 * paje spanks talli 03:11:07 thanks 03:11:34 talli: BTW, once again, thank you very much for taking me to Boston. It was lots of fun. 03:11:40 no prob 03:11:46 glad you could make it 03:11:53 and sorry you had to stay at the holiday inn :( 03:12:27 that was th toughest part of the trip. 03:16:42 paje: seen Mondayphylax 03:16:42 Mondayphylax was last seen on #openacs 1 hours, 23 minutes and 10 seconds ago, saying: oh [Sun Apr 28 19:54:13 2002] 03:18:58 * rbm goes to study for the GRE 03:19:57 rzolf (~rolf@badgertronics.com) has joined #openacs 03:20:09 paje: seen markd2 03:20:10 markd2 was last seen on #openacs 2 days, 7 hours, 20 minutes and 44 seconds ago, saying: paje seen rzolf? [Fri Apr 26 14:00:06 2002] 03:24:25 rzolf has quit (Client Quit) 04:35:39 paje: seen rzolf 04:35:39 rzolf was last seen on #openacs 1 hours, 15 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying: paje: seen markd2 [Sun Apr 28 21:20:50 2002] 04:40:35 paje: seen hazmat 04:40:36 hazmat was last seen on #openacs 4 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: paje: seen rzolf [Sun Apr 28 22:36:20 2002] 04:50:29 hi rbm 04:53:34 hey 10:42:34 yzzyx (~saras@213-48-249-242.cro.cvx.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #openacs 11:59:51 markd2 (~markd2@h166-102-041-184.ip.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 12:08:57 hi 12:08:58 hey, Mondayphylax 12:09:05 paje shut up 12:09:05 Mondayphylax: what? 12:09:06 morning 12:09:18 :) 12:17:41 morning 12:17:51 djg has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:43:10 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. This message seems to require broader coverage. We seem to be experiencing a pr0n spambot infestation. Please report any problems to #openprojects. Thanks. 12:44:37 yzzyx has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12:50:13 til|away has quit ("[BX] Time to make the donuts") 13:14:26 davb_foo (~dave@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 13:15:08 davb has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: davb_foo!~dave@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com))) 13:15:14 davb_foo is now known as davb 13:15:24 davb_ (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 13:18:04 hello 13:18:43 'morning 13:24:13 davb_ has quit (Remote closed the connection) 13:43:24 djg (djg@fiesta.cs.tu-berlin.de) has joined #openacs 13:45:35 abbaJ (~jabba@adsl-64-123-15-115.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) has joined #openacs 13:47:52 morning 13:48:01 moo 13:50:20 morning 13:50:36 does anybody understand the varbit tree encoding scheme? 13:51:28 i'm wondering how to get all the children of a given node in a single query.. it looks like i can just do a partial match against the node's tree_sortkey? 13:55:01 at some point I understood that, but I probably forgot it now 13:55:13 best thing is to look at Danw's comments on the datamodel 13:57:00 its different rbm. DonB changed it around, the queries are slightly changed from Dan's. 13:57:24 right, but that much? 13:57:48 i'd have to look. if you look at the CR code, all the examples are int here. 13:58:05 We probably could use a concise guide "This query will get all the children" etc... 13:58:42 so sleepy 13:58:59 I got summoned for grand jury dudy again 14:02:33 Roberto, have we figured out a total yet? 14:04:17 Mondayphylax: Yes. $339. I went back to the K7T266 instead of the KT3 because I read reports that the KT3 is unstable with more than one memory stick 14:04:39 I'm telling you 14:04:45 just get the Soyo Dragon+ 14:04:56 or the Soylent (Green) 14:05:11 * Mondayphylax thwaps© Mark with a cookie 14:05:22 ouch-yum 14:05:28 til (~tils@62.116.19.11) has joined #openacs 14:05:47 Roberto, newegg owes me around that much..LOL 14:06:03 i'm waiting for them to post it to my credit card though 14:07:37 Roberto, how much is it with a soyo? 14:07:58 $40 more (the MSI I have is $89. The Soyo $130) 14:08:41 ok 14:09:05 so how much do you need? 14:09:29 err 14:09:42 and why do you insist on choosing things that are NOT in stock? 14:10:09 Oh, anything I chose is out of stock? I didn't even look to be honest. 14:10:26 The memory and the motherboard 14:11:58 great :( 14:12:09 Memory go put crucial instead of micron 14:12:16 Crucial IS micron 14:13:05 indeed 14:13:12 Cool, $5 less 14:14:06 What does it mean for a motherboard to be "oem, barebone"? 14:14:15 It won't come with the manuals and box? 14:14:31 no solder traces 14:14:34 have to add those yourself 14:15:41 yeah it might not come with a manual or box 14:16:40 well, quality-wise it should be the same right? And I can print the manual off the web I suppose 14:16:45 bah 14:16:52 no, get a Retail board 14:17:05 * rbm burned his thumb on the solder last night 14:17:06 It will be easier to deal with people if there's something wrong 14:19:28 * rbm ponders which grad schools to apply for 14:21:13 CMU, so you can come to pittsburgh and hold a social 14:21:32 (: 14:24:15 ? 14:28:38 Robertoooooo 14:28:46 yes? 14:28:55 Quantos dineros tu necesito 14:29:03 lol 14:29:06 Sorry, I'm trying to get some notes before I go talk to the department head in 30 mins or so 14:29:15 ah 14:29:22 yeah that's probably more important :P 14:29:40 Mondayphylax: Well, my answer would be "how much can you part with?" 14:30:01 tell me how much you can afford first :P 14:30:42 without having to live on those Cup-O-Noodle things 14:31:20 Honestly, $50. If I could do separate months, then $100 on 2 installments. 14:31:37 ok, installments work for me too 14:31:40 (now you can stop laughing) 14:31:45 Why laugh? 14:31:57 $50 is not much. 14:32:03 So? 14:32:03 it has been said that So is going to the play a bit like try before you buy ? 14:32:17 heheh 14:32:24 * Mondayphylax shakes head 14:32:38 So it's a laughable amount 14:32:47 not really 14:33:08 Hey, it's 15% of the total :) 14:33:21 I'll send you a check for 75$ once Newegg credits me 14:33:37 and I'll send you another 100 once I get paid in 10 days or so 14:34:08 You take checks, right? 14:34:15 :P 14:34:35 checks, money order, cod, pay pal :) 14:34:46 ok 14:34:56 let's see 14:35:07 225$ is a start 14:35:13 :) 14:35:25 indeed 14:35:42 what was the total with shipping? 14:36:19 don't know. Shipping would probably be $30 or $40 (I think), so $374 is my guess 14:37:14 You better be getting a retail board! 14:37:31 I am, but it's out of stock on newegg 14:38:10 ok 14:39:26 bbiab 14:39:31 must do some testing on new equipment 14:54:04 * davb posts to aolserver list. 14:56:06 darn, i should have gotten a demo of dremweaver mx at the show I went to... 14:59:24 I think I need to get emacs to post to etp. 14:59:43 that way I can write a long story and post it to my web site and use a nice tool. 15:00:48 talli has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:03:43 mx? 15:05:26 yeah. macromedia has new versions of eveything now. no more numbers so they use mx. 15:05:49 ok. i found xmlrpc.el 15:06:01 now I just need a way to suck the text out of the window. 15:06:17 docwolf (~docwolf@adsl-34-184-58.bct.bellsouth.net) has joined #openacs 15:07:06 actually, I can probably skip the xmlrpc stuff, and just do a post. 15:08:02 there is already some code to open a wiki page remotely, edit it, and save it back. 15:08:26 it just uses GET and PUT. 15:09:04 * rbm heads to campus 15:09:18 now all I need it to get AOLserver to do HTTP authentication from the OpenACS user list. 15:11:13 basically. these same priciples could be used with webDav and any editor, Word, for example. Tricky part is figuring out how to just send the editable content. 15:15:16 ah. I can just send a query parameter: edit-this-page?edit=true or something. 15:17:56 I could do work, but thinking up new projects is more fun... 15:22:50 oh I could go for a nice juicy hamburger with some onions and a nice side of french fries 15:23:12 great, bring me back one. 15:23:20 i'm not going anywhere 15:23:25 * davb puts IRC food replicated on his project list 15:23:27 and I'm not allowed to have fries or hamburgers 15:23:35 oh, sorry :( 15:23:40 :-/ 15:23:45 Well, I can have a hamburger 15:23:50 it's just all my points for the day 15:23:51 lol 15:23:57 oh, you are on one of those? 15:24:04 kinda 15:24:05 :) 15:24:21 ah. I should try it. but I justify it by being to busy to care. 15:24:58 markd2: you linked to battelground god, but missed shakespeare vs. britney spears! 15:26:35 oh no! 15:26:41 is that on the battlegrond god site? 15:27:14 yeah. 15:27:25 http://www.philosophers.co.uk/games/games.htm 15:27:26 A: http://www.philosophers.co.uk/games/games.htm from davb 15:27:40 A:|Philosophy Games 15:27:40 titled item A 15:32:42 markd2 has quit ("Bork") 15:34:44 talli (~chatzilla@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 15:35:28 oh chit, everyone hide it's talli 15:35:37 yo 15:35:45 anyone have any experience building something with new-portal yet? 15:35:57 not yet. its on my list :) 15:37:14 * Mondayphylax tries to figure out what Dave does 15:37:38 I add things to my list. 15:37:52 Do you ever do them? 15:39:06 eventually. 15:39:25 davb: have you looked at the code? 15:39:29 is it reasonable? 15:39:40 thing is, i usually only have 1/2 hour or so at a time to work on stuff. so it takes me say, 25 minutes to get going... 15:39:52 Dave, how do you manage to do things on your list and work too? 15:40:06 talli: I looked a little. it seems very nice for building portals. I don't know about the quality of the code, but the apis look good. 15:40:18 Mondayphylax: goof off at work 15:40:45 hmmm 15:40:49 I tried that 15:40:57 they told me they won't hire me full time if I keep goofing off 15:41:28 then why are you here? 15:42:22 denshi (~chatzilla@adsl-216-62-223-193.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) has joined #openacs 15:42:23 talli: have you ever done any stuff for libraries? 15:42:34 no, not yet 15:42:42 it would be interseting to do, though 15:42:59 talli because i need money and "experience" 15:43:18 no, i mean why are you in the channel? 15:43:27 a "Full time intern for one year at Cablevision" looks a ... 15:43:31 talli: ok. just wondering. I am reading some librarian's weblogs and the ideas sound pretty cool. 15:43:38 cool 15:43:48 talli, I don't know... 15:44:01 I find these discussions more interesting at times than my work? 15:44:16 plus, they keep me from going insane 15:44:27 One of these days, I might see if my local library wants to redo their site. 15:44:57 well, then you'll probably not get hired fulltime 15:45:03 allso, their firewall doesn't block IRC ports :) 15:45:49 Who doesn't block IRC ports? 15:47:17 your job. 15:47:43 they don't block many things 15:47:46 it was supposed to be a joke :) 15:48:02 a lot of people use AIM, Yahoo! or MSN around here 15:48:11 Not just me :) 15:48:31 I am sure. 15:48:57 my office is the same way. 15:49:12 hehe 15:49:22 It's bad though 15:49:46 If it was up to me I'd firewall those ports off and leave just HTTP 15:49:49 we are getting quite a few of the latest virus. 15:49:57 and ssh 15:50:02 but that's no good 15:50:08 I just ssh into my box in the first place 15:50:09 LOL 15:50:15 right. 15:50:35 I should probably do that instead of mIRC 15:50:54 especially because mIRC sucks. but I couldn't get the hang of windows in EPIC 15:51:23 BitchX rocks :) 15:53:37 I usually stay later anyway to make up for the time I slack off 15:55:06 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3157213~root=forsale~mode=flat 15:55:07 B: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,3157213~root=forsale~mode=flat from Mondayphylax 15:55:14 B:| For Roberto? 15:55:14 titled item B 15:55:23 B: He should see if he could use that 15:55:23 added comment B1 15:55:34 davb: how much work do you think it would take to build acs-service-contract stuff for new-portals and bboards? 15:55:41 how about new-portal and news? 15:55:46 new-portal and etp? 15:56:42 talli: bboard should be easy. sloan bboad is already done. 15:56:48 ah, right 15:56:49 new is already done too. 15:56:53 news that is. 15:56:58 nice 15:56:59 etp is one my list :) 16:02:29 hello, terrors of the internet. 16:03:32 hey denshi 16:08:23 I prefer to be called slacker not terror of the internot 16:08:31 Mondayphylax is now known as syslogd 16:09:34 i reserved my new and improved plates this morning 16:09:39 cool. 16:09:42 after LazyGeek I'm going to syslogd 16:09:51 probably they restarted the server when they got there this morning. 16:09:56 Probably 16:10:04