00:09:07 paje seen davb 00:09:10 davb was last seen on #openacs 4 hours, 44 minutes and 3 seconds ago, saying: aha. _one_ of their name servers has the wrong info. [Sat Apr 27 13:25:45 2002] 00:17:31 oooom 00:18:09 moo 00:19:16 hey Weekendophylax 00:19:24 Hello Roberto 00:20:04 what's going on? 00:20:13 just relaxing 00:20:19 I think I'll play some SimCity 3000. It's been a while since I played that game 00:20:23 that game is good 00:20:29 I love it. 00:20:40 Too bad Loki went under. No more updates for me :( 00:21:03 heh 00:21:06 Guess I'll have to build a more powerful Win2K machine just for games 00:21:10 Didn't EA buy Loki? 00:21:17 Not that I know of. 00:21:20 hmm 00:21:28 I can help you build a computer :) 00:21:31 I'm a proooooo 00:21:48 what kind of a compooter do you want to build? 00:22:02 Remember that Soyo Dragon+ you wanted? 00:22:12 Whatever type I can out of the parts I have lying around. No $$$ to purchase much. 00:22:18 Weekendophylax: yes. what about it? 00:22:30 they came out with a slightly improved one 00:22:35 Soyo Ultra Dragon+ 00:22:45 What parts do you have? 00:22:58 I was saving to buy a new machine for me, but that's been thrown back a little with the expenses I made in Boston 00:23:39 I have a P2 233 mobo+CPU+RAM I can use for the win2K box (currently a P133). I don't have a P2-class case though. 00:23:48 I think the mobo is AT 00:23:55 Oh 00:24:01 so what parts do you need? 00:24:06 A case :-) 00:24:10 I have some parts I can donate to you 00:24:19 * rbm *loves* donated parts. 00:24:31 Is your case ATX? 00:24:48 My Linux one? Yes. I have a K6-2 300 in there. 00:24:57 It's my main box. 00:25:15 The one you're going to use to build your computer 00:25:53 I don't have a case for the Win2K box I want to upgrade, yet. 00:26:03 oh ok 00:26:04 weird... Loki's website is still up 00:26:30 Do you have any sort of a budget? 00:28:26 Weekendophylax: Probably. Not much though. 00:28:33 What parts do you have? 00:28:49 a heatsink...maybe a processor 00:29:44 i might buy you some parts 00:29:52 as long as we figure out what you want 00:31:42 Oh, I might have a video card too 00:33:15 Well, what I'd want for me is an Athlon XP with around 256 Mb of RAM 00:33:52 hmmm 00:34:05 hmmm 00:34:08 :) 00:34:23 I have an Athlon XP1700 that doesn't post...but I think it's because I shorted the L1 bridges 00:34:54 doesn't "post"? You mean it doesn't send the post beeps in case of trouble? 00:34:57 but does it work? 00:35:01 i'm not sure 00:35:05 I'd have to test it 00:35:21 I do have a working Duron 900 00:36:07 Do you care about onboard stuff? 00:36:14 Not really. 00:36:45 do you have a soundcard and a network card that you were going to use...if not, I'll just find you a good Socket A board 00:38:41 ECS makes a decent budget board that has onboard Sound and Network for 54$ from Newegg 00:39:00 I have net and sound cards. 00:39:12 oh 00:39:28 ok 00:39:33 what else do you have? 00:39:37 Hard drive and memory? 00:39:51 DDR or PC133 or SIMMs? 00:40:08 DDR or PC133 if we get the ECS board 00:40:15 if you get the ECS board 00:40:20 :) 00:40:45 I don't have DDR. I have very little PC133 to spare 00:40:50 How much? 00:40:54 have a stick of 128? 00:41:40 i can probably find you a stick of 128 PC100 or PC133 (not sure which one it is) 00:42:07 what about a hard drive? 00:42:33 If I am replacing my Linux box, then I have 320 Mb PC133 00:42:47 and if you're not? 00:43:21 Then I have 0 00:43:24 hehe 00:43:33 why not take some out of the Linux box? 00:45:23 hang on. phone 00:45:28 mmmkay 00:50:23 i can also buy you some parts if it's not extremely expensive 00:50:58 I have a 4 Gb hard drive that I can use. 00:51:03 ok 00:51:10 (if this is not replacing my Linux box ;-)) 00:51:11 hang on one sec... 00:51:19 Let's assume it's not 00:51:57 * Weekendophylax fires up XEmacs 00:52:52 You going to get one or more: CD-ROM, DVD, CD-RW 00:52:54 ? 00:53:22 Floppy drive, I have but it's been painted and drilled but it works 00:53:42 I don't know if you need a _new_ floppy drive ;) 00:54:44 I have a CDROM I can use. the CD-RW is on my Linux box. I don't need one on the win box. 00:54:50 k 00:54:53 I have a floppy drive. 00:55:00 cool 00:55:08 A DVD would be cool, but it's superfluous 00:55:13 :) 00:55:30 ok, so about the case...do you have an ATX case? 00:55:34 BTW, are you serious about buying me parts? I'm still kind of not believing 00:55:44 well, I'll buy SOME parts ;) 00:55:49 (: 00:55:51 Not gonna buy you a brand new computer LOL 00:56:10 right 00:56:16 still, that's awesome. Thanks. 00:56:43 Well, you need an upgrade 00:56:53 I have 4 computers that I don't do anything useful on 00:57:21 You seem to do lots of useful things :) 00:57:38 So, let me run this by ya 00:58:15 you have: hard drive, cd-rom, network, soundcard, floppy 00:58:28 I have: heatsink 00:59:09 that's correct 00:59:09 we need: case, case fans, processor (i might have one), memory, video card 00:59:20 correct again 00:59:23 ok 00:59:30 and motherboard 01:00:00 motherboard will come with cables hehe 01:00:22 The Linux box has 320 megs of ram...is it 64 and 256 or 128,128,64? 01:03:29 128,128,64 01:04:27 ok 01:04:37 And you're set on using all of it in the Linux box? 01:04:45 Or would you be willing to pull the 64MB stick out? 01:12:13 Roberto? 01:12:19 * Weekendophylax jabs roberto with a pen 01:12:21 I guess I could pull it out, or buy a PC133 stick. It's not too expensive. 01:12:32 Sorry, still was on the phone (conference) 01:12:56 * rbm cringes in pain 01:13:17 Oh 01:14:01 I'm out of the call now though. 01:14:19 I can pull out a 128 and you can pull out a 64 01:14:20 So I presume you're talking about the Duron mobo you have. 01:14:30 err, CPU 01:14:31 I don't have a mobo :) I was going to buy you one 01:14:36 And a CPU 01:14:49 Oh. Which mobo/CPU? 01:14:58 hold on 01:15:22 If you buy me the CPU/Mobo, I think I can find money for the DDR RAM (assuming it requires DDR RAM) 01:15:34 * rbm checks pricewatch 01:16:01 $44 for 256 Mb. I can do that. 01:16:32 DDR? 01:16:58 What about it. 01:17:34 256MB stick of DDR or PC100/133? 01:17:40 Depends on what CPU/Mobo you were thinking of buying me 01:17:48 Weekendophylax: DDR. 01:18:15 That's what pricewatch has for 256 Mb of PC 2100 DDR RAM 01:18:18 motherboard http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=13-135-102 01:20:26 Oh, it supports both DDR and DIMMs. That's nice. 01:20:33 yes 01:20:50 So you can use SIMMs now and get the DDR when you can afford it 01:20:57 Sounds great. 01:21:00 Comes with onboard sound and lan 01:21:11 What's an AMR slot? 01:21:14 400 people can't be wrong 01:21:20 Audio Modem Riser Slot 01:21:26 I don't think ANYONE uses those 01:22:35 What's that for? 01:22:48 Audio cards or Modem cards that use the slot 01:24:21 never heard of it. 01:24:59 but since most audio cards I know use a PCI slot those things are useless 01:24:59 Exactly :) 01:24:59 You don't need one 01:24:59 LOL 01:25:03 So, what kind of a processor do you want/need? And are you planning on upgrading it... 01:25:41 I want the fastest I can get :-) SimCity is pretty slow in my wimpy machine :) 01:25:57 Upgrading... probably in a few years 01:26:09 ok 01:26:43 see, i'm in an odd position :) since it's more advantageous for me to get you a slower chip :) 01:27:02 Duron 800 = 30$ or Duron 1Ghz 43$ 01:27:16 hehehe 01:27:20 :-D 01:28:34 I can fork the extra cash for an XP to add up to what you can do. 01:28:42 ok 01:28:52 Then you'll want DDR ram too 01:28:59 better yet 01:29:01 lol 01:29:04 go to www.newegg.com 01:29:12 See what you would like to get... 01:29:20 And I'll just write you a check 01:29:31 Why did you pick that mobo? 01:29:49 It's a budget board that has nice features and I heard nice things about 01:29:57 oh, okay. 01:30:00 Plus...4 out of 5 stars from 400 people... 01:30:05 They can't be wrong :-D 01:31:48 Tell me what parts you want 01:31:55 And we'll compromise on stuff 01:32:14 okay. 01:32:32 If you want a half-decent video card 01:32:59 I have a Leadtek WinFast GeForce2 MX200 for 45$ which I recommended to a few people and they all love it 01:33:09 I haven't been on the market for a new machine for 3 years... 01:35:01 lol 01:35:04 well 01:35:48 I told ya what motherboard and video card to get 01:36:21 oh 01:36:23 if you need a case 01:36:45 Chieftec makes really good ones 01:36:54 They're actually antec cases 01:37:00 okay 01:37:27 since Chieftec is the a subdivision of Chenming and they make Antec cases too 01:38:13 I was going to suggest the first Chieftec one for like 34$ but it doesnt' come with a Power Supply 01:39:48 312$ 01:39:56 for a half-decent system 01:40:08 'half-decent'? 01:40:16 Duron 900 01:40:23 here 01:40:25 oh 01:40:27 go to www.mpcparts.com 01:41:55 I chose a Chieftec Black ATX Mid-Tower 601-FD, Enermax 350W ATX PS, ECS K7S5A, Amd Duron 900, and a Volcano 6cu+ with a GeForce2 MX-400...comes out to 300$ 01:43:25 I'm sending my Athlon 1700XP to be cleaned tested and unlocked by one of my friends...If he says it's alive and it works, I'll give it to you 01:43:34 excellent. 01:43:39 or sell it to you for a very very very good price :) (no more than 30$ 01:43:45 sounds good too 01:44:44 I don't see that case at mpcparts.com 01:46:04 it's at the dropdown menu 01:46:20 If you go into the System section it lets you pick stuff from the dropdown 01:49:03 It's so hard to buy this stuff online when you don't really know what to look for 01:49:14 hehe 01:49:17 what do you want 01:49:23 I can double check the stuff 01:49:36 also, newegg is really really good at what they do 01:49:40 Superior customer service 01:50:40 i can tell you that Abit KR7A, Soyo Dragon+ and Soyo Dragon Ultra are all excellent boards 01:50:43 That's the thing, I don't really know what I want. 01:50:54 What do you do on your computers? 01:51:14 I heard good things about the MSI boards (high quality, low cost) so those were the ones I was looking at. 01:51:56 yeah I was originally going to buy an MSI board but stuff happened 01:51:58 Weekendophylax: I work on them. For the past 3 years I have forced myself to not really look at new hardware coming out so I wouldn't be tempted to buy stuff using the money that should go to school. 01:52:12 :) I'll help ya out 01:53:14 I originally settled on the MSI KT3 Ultra-ARU (128$ at newegg) 01:53:25 I always buy hardware from a very good, local, not-so-big store we have here in Logan. The owner is really nice and only sells good stuff. 01:53:34 I got the board...and built my computer with it...But the computer would power up, but it wouldn't boot 01:54:34 So I called up Newegg and they issued an RMA...Sent me an identical board 2nd day air...The day they sent it to me, the Soyo Ultra Dragon arrived at Newegg....I called up FedEx and had them re-route the package back to newegg without newegg's permission 01:54:36 how about: http://www.mpcparts.com/prodspecs/260234.asp 01:55:02 Weekendophylax: Wow. 01:55:15 then, I ordered the Soyo Ultra Dragon the next day 01:55:36 the Soyo board came in and it also wouldnt' boot but would power up... 01:55:47 I finally found out that it was the Power Supply that i had 01:56:23 I called up newegg and told them this..they issued me an RMA for the Power Supply I got with the case (they also let me send just the P/S back) 01:56:57 nice 01:57:00 AND, they let me order a replacement P/S, Athlon 1800XP (my 1700XP stopped working at some point between all of this) 01:57:22 And a duron 900 (I ordered it for "testing"...since I'd much rather fry a duron than an XP...cheaper too) 01:57:33 they sent it to me overnight for 5$ 01:58:00 So I finally got it all figured out :) and I must give thumbs up to newegg for handing this in such a great manner... 01:58:01 So do you want me to order everything from new egg or you want to write me a check with X dollars and let me go shopping? Since I'm the beneficiary here, I'll do whatever you want, of course :) 01:58:16 lol 01:58:17 well 01:58:22 You can't go wrong with newegg 01:58:32 but if you have other places you want to get stuff from 01:58:37 that's fine with me 01:58:51 Posh (the place here in Logan) is very very good with customer service too. 01:59:03 And I can just drive up there and Mike (the owner) will do whatever I want. 01:59:04 :) 01:59:10 Hey, I don't care where you get the stuff 01:59:13 as long as you're happy 01:59:19 and happy with what you got 01:59:49 okay. I'll be happy with pretty much anything that's faster than what I have. Compiling a kernel takes a looooooong time :) 01:59:54 LOL 02:00:07 Well 02:00:20 I can't complain about the hardware I have 02:00:32 It's all been good to me so far 02:00:50 What I had in wind was an MSI board (probably the K7T266 - not the ProU or whatever), an Athlon, a decent case+PS 02:01:11 Don't forget that you'll need DDR ram then too 02:01:36 I have a network card if you need one 02:01:36 Some DDR RAM and maybe a better video card, but if I'm overbudget I could keep the Riva 128 8 Mb I have. I'm not that much of a gamer. 02:01:48 hehe 02:02:01 hard drive too 02:03:02 I have an 8 Gb and a 30 Gb in my current system. If this new system becomes my new main system, then I'll take the 30 Gb one and put it in there. 02:03:33 Top of the line nowadays as far as I know: Via KT333 chipset, Athlon XP2100 (Thoroughbreds are coming out any day), GeForce4, DDR2700...etc..etc.. 02:04:00 I wouldn't mind helping you out up to about 200# 02:04:03 $ 02:04:11 maybe in 2 installments of 100$ checks? 02:04:51 But if you need less I'm all up for it :-D 02:05:09 heheheh 02:05:46 The Thoroughbreds are coming out any dya 02:05:55 What's that? 02:05:55 that is not true 02:05:59 the prices for XP's should drop 02:06:02 *lol* 02:06:16 It's basically an XP with a smaller die size and it will run cooler and use less power 02:06:34 Right now Xp's use a .18 micron die size 02:06:35 I love when Paje comes out with those phrases out of nowhere 02:06:41 yep 02:06:44 Silly bot 02:06:56 They're lowering the die size to .13 02:06:59 paje: paje is | a silly bot 02:07:00 ...but paje is the medicine man and oracle in Amazonian tribes. I'm also a recipient of church of mike's "full deal" package or a pirate... 02:07:11 paje: forget paje 02:07:11 rbm: I forgot paje 02:07:17 paje is a bot 02:07:24 paje: paje is the medicine man and oracle in Amazonian tribes | a silly bot 02:07:24 ...but paje is a bot... 02:07:26 argh 02:07:27 paje: forget paje 02:07:28 rbm: I forgot paje 02:07:29 ;-D 02:07:30 paje: paje is the medicine man and oracle in Amazonian tribes | a silly bot 02:07:30 OK, rbm. 02:08:00 we have an improved infobot Jim worked on a while ago 02:08:09 oh 02:08:38 So, yeah 02:08:52 the via kT266 and KT333 chipsets are king right now 02:09:08 Expect to pay around 120$ for a decent KT266 board 02:09:19 The MSI is $100 02:09:31 Does your local vendor have a website? 02:09:54 Yeah, but their inventory is not online right now. 02:10:09 you can get an nForce board 02:10:37 nvidia? 02:10:42 yeah 02:10:56 I thought their boards weren't so good (mobos) 02:10:58 They got some good marks 02:11:01 no no 02:11:11 nForce boards are made by a number of companies 02:11:30 they have some improvements with the memory subsystem and stuff 02:12:22 you can get the Soyo Dragon+ :) 02:12:27 How much was that case you were recommending? 02:12:37 34$ without a power supply 02:13:54 how much is the power supply? 02:14:03 hmmm...I have to keep an eye on my temperature on my other computer...it's been going up 02:14:26 how big? 02:14:31 Enermax 300 is 33$ 02:15:35 Here's an MSI with nForce: http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=13-130-331-01.JPG/13-130-331-02.JPG/13-130-331-03.JPG/13-130-331-04.JPG/13-130-331-05.JPG ($100) 02:17:17 yeah iseen it 02:17:34 look for an nForce board with onboard video :) 02:18:00 oh 02:18:04 here's another thing 02:18:11 You gonna be running *nix on it? 02:18:22 You might want to check hardware compatibility on these things 02:18:32 Probably dual booting. I'll keep my K6-2 300 as my web/mail server 02:18:51 The MSI's are okay. 02:19:02 Ok for? 02:19:21 hardware compatibility-wise 02:20:23 Ah 02:21:14 Except a friend of mine who has it says the onboard sound really sucks. 02:21:22 hehe 02:21:28 I never got to test that out 02:21:37 I only have ISA sound cards 02:21:43 oh 02:21:50 so you'll need a soundcard then 02:22:00 since they don't make boards with ISA slots anymore ;-D 02:22:18 Since i had to do this not too long ago 02:22:34 first, make a decision if you want onboard things or you have all the cards already 02:22:58 Since it sounds you don't have a soundcard I would get one with onboard stuff 02:23:51 The ones I heard of: ECS, Soyo and MSI make boards with onboard stuff that I have heard decent things about 02:24:00 how much is the soyo? 02:24:08 let me look 02:24:36 130 02:24:47 MSI KT3 Ultra ARU is 128$ 02:24:55 ECS is like 54$ 02:25:36 ECS also makes a KT266a board for 65$ 02:25:37 make sure the onboard stuff works in linux 02:25:54 * Weekendophylax thwaps dave 02:26:01 * rbm is SOL 02:26:06 Why? 02:26:18 Dave, feel free to help :) 02:26:21 unless you don't want to run linux :) 02:26:37 Weekendophylax: do you have an ECS? Do they run okay.? 02:26:38 I'm going to donate $ to roberto for hardwareo 02:27:07 I wish I could get stuff from my hardware connection. but not anymore :( 02:27:18 I don't ;( I have a Asus K7M (Slot A athlon), Abit KR7A-RAID and a Soyo Ultra Dragon 02:27:33 I have an Asus and MSI. both work nice. 02:27:40 The Soyo Ultra looks awesom. But it's $130 02:27:50 That's the regular Dragon+ 02:27:54 * davb reads the load to catch up 02:28:02 The Ultra Dragon+ is 161$ 02:28:31 Oh, right. I was looking at the dragon+ (not ultra) 02:29:17 How about this 02:29:35 Whatever board you will settle on... 02:29:40 I'll match it to a Soyo Dragon+ 02:29:49 and give you 25% of the price of the other board 02:30:07 Hmm? 02:30:12 but don't go find a 50$ board :) and then make me match it for like 120$ 02:31:01 If you wanted to buy that MSI board...I would give you ~50$ since 130-100 = 30% + 25% of 100 is 25$ 02:31:42 thanks jim and yzzxy for the emacs hints 02:31:42 Is this on top of the $200? :-) 02:31:48 lol 02:32:03 Why don't I just send you a new computer 02:32:05 :P 02:32:48 Which linux were you going to run 02:32:57 Debian. always :) 02:33:00 * Weekendophylax guesses Deb 02:33:03 hehe 02:34:08 I'm creating a cart at newogg to see what it adds u. 02:34:14 s/u./up/ 02:34:30 Tell me the parts so I can do the same 02:36:08 I am creating a wish list, so you'll be able to look at it 02:36:27 If you share it and stuff 02:38:22 oh 02:39:35 If you want Linux compatibility you'd have to scour the mailing lists to see which board works best 02:41:26 argh 02:41:35 hehe 02:41:35 has anyone gotten any openacs emails today? 02:41:39 nope 02:41:45 I don't think I'm on the list anymore 02:41:49 ok hopefully everyone went outside :) 02:42:43 Which ram brand should I buy?L 02:42:57 Depends 02:42:58 davb: I didn't 02:43:01 You willing to pay for it? 02:43:05 cool. 02:43:06