IRC log of openacs on 2002-04-28

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00:09:07 [Weekendophylax]

paje seen davb

00:09:10 [paje]

davb was last seen on #openacs 4 hours, 44 minutes and 3 seconds ago, saying: aha. _one_ of their name servers has the wrong info. [Sat Apr 27 13:25:45 2002]

00:17:31 [rbm]

oooom

00:18:09 [Weekendophylax]

moo

00:19:16 [rbm]

hey Weekendophylax

00:19:24 [Weekendophylax]

Hello Roberto

00:20:04 [rbm]

what's going on?

00:20:13 [Weekendophylax]

just relaxing

00:20:19 [rbm]

I think I'll play some SimCity 3000. It's been a while since I played that game

00:20:23 [Weekendophylax]

that game is good

00:20:29 [rbm]

I love it.

00:20:40 [rbm]

Too bad Loki went under. No more updates for me :(

00:21:03 [Weekendophylax]

heh

00:21:06 [rbm]

Guess I'll have to build a more powerful Win2K machine just for games

00:21:10 [Weekendophylax]

Didn't EA buy Loki?

00:21:17 [rbm]

Not that I know of.

00:21:20 [Weekendophylax]

hmm

00:21:28 [Weekendophylax]

I can help you build a computer :)

00:21:31 [Weekendophylax]

I'm a proooooo

00:21:48 [Weekendophylax]

what kind of a compooter do you want to build?

00:22:02 [Weekendophylax]

Remember that Soyo Dragon+ you wanted?

00:22:12 [rbm]

Whatever type I can out of the parts I have lying around. No $$$ to purchase much.

00:22:18 [rbm]

Weekendophylax: yes. what about it?

00:22:30 [Weekendophylax]

they came out with a slightly improved one

00:22:35 [Weekendophylax]

Soyo Ultra Dragon+

00:22:45 [Weekendophylax]

What parts do you have?

00:22:58 [rbm]

I was saving to buy a new machine for me, but that's been thrown back a little with the expenses I made in Boston

00:23:39 [rbm]

I have a P2 233 mobo+CPU+RAM I can use for the win2K box (currently a P133). I don't have a P2-class case though.

00:23:48 [rbm]

I think the mobo is AT

00:23:55 [Weekendophylax]

Oh

00:24:01 [Weekendophylax]

so what parts do you need?

00:24:06 [rbm]

A case :-)

00:24:10 [Weekendophylax]

I have some parts I can donate to you

00:24:19 [rbm]

* rbm *loves* donated parts.

00:24:31 [Weekendophylax]

Is your case ATX?

00:24:48 [rbm]

My Linux one? Yes. I have a K6-2 300 in there.

00:24:57 [rbm]

It's my main box.

00:25:15 [Weekendophylax]

The one you're going to use to build your computer

00:25:53 [rbm]

I don't have a case for the Win2K box I want to upgrade, yet.

00:26:03 [Weekendophylax]

oh ok

00:26:04 [rbm]

weird... Loki's website is still up

00:26:30 [Weekendophylax]

Do you have any sort of a budget?

00:28:26 [rbm]

Weekendophylax: Probably. Not much though.

00:28:33 [rbm]

What parts do you have?

00:28:49 [Weekendophylax]

a heatsink...maybe a processor

00:29:44 [Weekendophylax]

i might buy you some parts

00:29:52 [Weekendophylax]

as long as we figure out what you want

00:31:42 [Weekendophylax]

Oh, I might have a video card too

00:33:15 [rbm]

Well, what I'd want for me is an Athlon XP with around 256 Mb of RAM

00:33:52 [Weekendophylax]

hmmm

00:34:05 [Weekendophylax]

hmmm

00:34:08 [rbm]

:)

00:34:23 [Weekendophylax]

I have an Athlon XP1700 that doesn't post...but I think it's because I shorted the L1 bridges

00:34:54 [rbm]

doesn't "post"? You mean it doesn't send the post beeps in case of trouble?

00:34:57 [rbm]

but does it work?

00:35:01 [Weekendophylax]

i'm not sure

00:35:05 [Weekendophylax]

I'd have to test it

00:35:21 [Weekendophylax]

I do have a working Duron 900

00:36:07 [Weekendophylax]

Do you care about onboard stuff?

00:36:14 [rbm]

Not really.

00:36:45 [Weekendophylax]

do you have a soundcard and a network card that you were going to use...if not, I'll just find you a good Socket A board

00:38:41 [Weekendophylax]

ECS makes a decent budget board that has onboard Sound and Network for 54$ from Newegg

00:39:00 [rbm]

I have net and sound cards.

00:39:12 [Weekendophylax]

oh

00:39:28 [Weekendophylax]

ok

00:39:33 [Weekendophylax]

what else do you have?

00:39:37 [Weekendophylax]

Hard drive and memory?

00:39:51 [rbm]

DDR or PC133 or SIMMs?

00:40:08 [Weekendophylax]

DDR or PC133 if we get the ECS board

00:40:15 [Weekendophylax]

if you get the ECS board

00:40:20 [Weekendophylax]

:)

00:40:45 [rbm]

I don't have DDR. I have very little PC133 to spare

00:40:50 [Weekendophylax]

How much?

00:40:54 [Weekendophylax]

have a stick of 128?

00:41:40 [Weekendophylax]

i can probably find you a stick of 128 PC100 or PC133 (not sure which one it is)

00:42:07 [Weekendophylax]

what about a hard drive?

00:42:33 [rbm]

If I am replacing my Linux box, then I have 320 Mb PC133

00:42:47 [Weekendophylax]

and if you're not?

00:43:21 [rbm]

Then I have 0

00:43:24 [Weekendophylax]

hehe

00:43:33 [Weekendophylax]

why not take some out of the Linux box?

00:45:23 [rbm]

hang on. phone

00:45:28 [Weekendophylax]

mmmkay

00:50:23 [Weekendophylax]

i can also buy you some parts if it's not extremely expensive

00:50:58 [rbm]

I have a 4 Gb hard drive that I can use.

00:51:03 [Weekendophylax]

ok

00:51:10 [rbm]

(if this is not replacing my Linux box ;-))

00:51:11 [Weekendophylax]

hang on one sec...

00:51:19 [Weekendophylax]

Let's assume it's not

00:51:57 [Weekendophylax]

* Weekendophylax fires up XEmacs

00:52:52 [Weekendophylax]

You going to get one or more: CD-ROM, DVD, CD-RW

00:52:54 [Weekendophylax]

?

00:53:22 [Weekendophylax]

Floppy drive, I have but it's been painted and drilled but it works

00:53:42 [Weekendophylax]

I don't know if you need a _new_ floppy drive ;)

00:54:44 [rbm]

I have a CDROM I can use. the CD-RW is on my Linux box. I don't need one on the win box.

00:54:50 [Weekendophylax]

k

00:54:53 [rbm]

I have a floppy drive.

00:55:00 [Weekendophylax]

cool

00:55:08 [rbm]

A DVD would be cool, but it's superfluous

00:55:13 [Weekendophylax]

:)

00:55:30 [Weekendophylax]

ok, so about the case...do you have an ATX case?

00:55:34 [rbm]

BTW, are you serious about buying me parts? I'm still kind of not believing

00:55:44 [Weekendophylax]

well, I'll buy SOME parts ;)

00:55:49 [rbm]

(:

00:55:51 [Weekendophylax]

Not gonna buy you a brand new computer LOL

00:56:10 [rbm]

right

00:56:16 [rbm]

still, that's awesome. Thanks.

00:56:43 [Weekendophylax]

Well, you need an upgrade

00:56:53 [Weekendophylax]

I have 4 computers that I don't do anything useful on

00:57:21 [Weekendophylax]

You seem to do lots of useful things :)

00:57:38 [Weekendophylax]

So, let me run this by ya

00:58:15 [Weekendophylax]

you have: hard drive, cd-rom, network, soundcard, floppy

00:58:28 [Weekendophylax]

I have: heatsink

00:59:09 [rbm]

that's correct

00:59:09 [Weekendophylax]

we need: case, case fans, processor (i might have one), memory, video card

00:59:20 [rbm]

correct again

00:59:23 [Weekendophylax]

ok

00:59:30 [Weekendophylax]

and motherboard

01:00:00 [Weekendophylax]

motherboard will come with cables hehe

01:00:22 [Weekendophylax]

The Linux box has 320 megs of ram...is it 64 and 256 or 128,128,64?

01:03:29 [rbm]

128,128,64

01:04:27 [Weekendophylax]

ok

01:04:37 [Weekendophylax]

And you're set on using all of it in the Linux box?

01:04:45 [Weekendophylax]

Or would you be willing to pull the 64MB stick out?

01:12:13 [Weekendophylax]

Roberto?

01:12:19 [Weekendophylax]

* Weekendophylax jabs roberto with a pen

01:12:21 [rbm]

I guess I could pull it out, or buy a PC133 stick. It's not too expensive.

01:12:32 [rbm]

Sorry, still was on the phone (conference)

01:12:56 [rbm]

* rbm cringes in pain

01:13:17 [Weekendophylax]

Oh

01:14:01 [rbm]

I'm out of the call now though.

01:14:19 [Weekendophylax]

I can pull out a 128 and you can pull out a 64

01:14:20 [rbm]

So I presume you're talking about the Duron mobo you have.

01:14:30 [rbm]

err, CPU

01:14:31 [Weekendophylax]

I don't have a mobo :) I was going to buy you one

01:14:36 [Weekendophylax]

And a CPU

01:14:49 [rbm]

Oh. Which mobo/CPU?

01:14:58 [Weekendophylax]

hold on

01:15:22 [rbm]

If you buy me the CPU/Mobo, I think I can find money for the DDR RAM (assuming it requires DDR RAM)

01:15:34 [rbm]

* rbm checks pricewatch

01:16:01 [rbm]

$44 for 256 Mb. I can do that.

01:16:32 [Weekendophylax]

DDR?

01:16:58 [rbm]

What about it.

01:17:34 [Weekendophylax]

256MB stick of DDR or PC100/133?

01:17:40 [rbm]

Depends on what CPU/Mobo you were thinking of buying me

01:17:48 [rbm]

Weekendophylax: DDR.

01:18:15 [rbm]

That's what pricewatch has for 256 Mb of PC 2100 DDR RAM

01:18:18 [Weekendophylax]

motherboard http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=13-135-102

01:20:26 [rbm]

Oh, it supports both DDR and DIMMs. That's nice.

01:20:33 [Weekendophylax]

yes

01:20:50 [Weekendophylax]

So you can use SIMMs now and get the DDR when you can afford it

01:20:57 [rbm]

Sounds great.

01:21:00 [Weekendophylax]

Comes with onboard sound and lan

01:21:11 [rbm]

What's an AMR slot?

01:21:14 [Weekendophylax]

400 people can't be wrong

01:21:20 [Weekendophylax]

Audio Modem Riser Slot

01:21:26 [Weekendophylax]

I don't think ANYONE uses those

01:22:35 [rbm]

What's that for?

01:22:48 [Weekendophylax]

Audio cards or Modem cards that use the slot

01:24:21 [rbm]

never heard of it.

01:24:59 [Weekendophylax]

but since most audio cards I know use a PCI slot those things are useless

01:24:59 [Weekendophylax]

Exactly :)

01:24:59 [Weekendophylax]

You don't need one

01:24:59 [Weekendophylax]

LOL

01:25:03 [Weekendophylax]

So, what kind of a processor do you want/need? And are you planning on upgrading it...

01:25:41 [rbm]

I want the fastest I can get :-) SimCity is pretty slow in my wimpy machine :)

01:25:57 [rbm]

Upgrading... probably in a few years

01:26:09 [Weekendophylax]

ok

01:26:43 [Weekendophylax]

see, i'm in an odd position :) since it's more advantageous for me to get you a slower chip :)

01:27:02 [Weekendophylax]

Duron 800 = 30$ or Duron 1Ghz 43$

01:27:16 [rbm]

hehehe

01:27:20 [Weekendophylax]

:-D

01:28:34 [rbm]

I can fork the extra cash for an XP to add up to what you can do.

01:28:42 [Weekendophylax]

ok

01:28:52 [Weekendophylax]

Then you'll want DDR ram too

01:28:59 [Weekendophylax]

better yet

01:29:01 [Weekendophylax]

lol

01:29:04 [Weekendophylax]

go to www.newegg.com

01:29:12 [Weekendophylax]

See what you would like to get...

01:29:20 [Weekendophylax]

And I'll just write you a check

01:29:31 [rbm]

Why did you pick that mobo?

01:29:49 [Weekendophylax]

It's a budget board that has nice features and I heard nice things about

01:29:57 [rbm]

oh, okay.

01:30:00 [Weekendophylax]

Plus...4 out of 5 stars from 400 people...

01:30:05 [Weekendophylax]

They can't be wrong :-D

01:31:48 [Weekendophylax]

Tell me what parts you want

01:31:55 [Weekendophylax]

And we'll compromise on stuff

01:32:14 [rbm]

okay.

01:32:32 [Weekendophylax]

If you want a half-decent video card

01:32:59 [Weekendophylax]

I have a Leadtek WinFast GeForce2 MX200 for 45$ which I recommended to a few people and they all love it

01:33:09 [rbm]

I haven't been on the market for a new machine for 3 years...

01:35:01 [Weekendophylax]

lol

01:35:04 [Weekendophylax]

well

01:35:48 [Weekendophylax]

I told ya what motherboard and video card to get

01:36:21 [Weekendophylax]

oh

01:36:23 [Weekendophylax]

if you need a case

01:36:45 [Weekendophylax]

Chieftec makes really good ones

01:36:54 [Weekendophylax]

They're actually antec cases

01:37:00 [rbm]

okay

01:37:27 [Weekendophylax]

since Chieftec is the a subdivision of Chenming and they make Antec cases too

01:38:13 [Weekendophylax]

I was going to suggest the first Chieftec one for like 34$ but it doesnt' come with a Power Supply

01:39:48 [Weekendophylax]

312$

01:39:56 [Weekendophylax]

for a half-decent system

01:40:08 [rbm]

'half-decent'?

01:40:16 [Weekendophylax]

Duron 900

01:40:23 [Weekendophylax]

here

01:40:25 [rbm]

oh

01:40:27 [Weekendophylax]

go to www.mpcparts.com

01:41:55 [Weekendophylax]

I chose a Chieftec Black ATX Mid-Tower 601-FD, Enermax 350W ATX PS, ECS K7S5A, Amd Duron 900, and a Volcano 6cu+ with a GeForce2 MX-400...comes out to 300$

01:43:25 [Weekendophylax]

I'm sending my Athlon 1700XP to be cleaned tested and unlocked by one of my friends...If he says it's alive and it works, I'll give it to you

01:43:34 [rbm]

excellent.

01:43:39 [Weekendophylax]

or sell it to you for a very very very good price :) (no more than 30$

01:43:45 [rbm]

sounds good too

01:44:44 [rbm]

I don't see that case at mpcparts.com

01:46:04 [Weekendophylax]

it's at the dropdown menu

01:46:20 [Weekendophylax]

If you go into the System section it lets you pick stuff from the dropdown

01:49:03 [rbm]

It's so hard to buy this stuff online when you don't really know what to look for

01:49:14 [Weekendophylax]

hehe

01:49:17 [Weekendophylax]

what do you want

01:49:23 [Weekendophylax]

I can double check the stuff

01:49:36 [Weekendophylax]

also, newegg is really really good at what they do

01:49:40 [Weekendophylax]

Superior customer service

01:50:40 [Weekendophylax]

i can tell you that Abit KR7A, Soyo Dragon+ and Soyo Dragon Ultra are all excellent boards

01:50:43 [rbm]

That's the thing, I don't really know what I want.

01:50:54 [Weekendophylax]

What do you do on your computers?

01:51:14 [rbm]

I heard good things about the MSI boards (high quality, low cost) so those were the ones I was looking at.

01:51:56 [Weekendophylax]

yeah I was originally going to buy an MSI board but stuff happened

01:51:58 [rbm]

Weekendophylax: I work on them. For the past 3 years I have forced myself to not really look at new hardware coming out so I wouldn't be tempted to buy stuff using the money that should go to school.

01:52:12 [Weekendophylax]

:) I'll help ya out

01:53:14 [Weekendophylax]

I originally settled on the MSI KT3 Ultra-ARU (128$ at newegg)

01:53:25 [rbm]

I always buy hardware from a very good, local, not-so-big store we have here in Logan. The owner is really nice and only sells good stuff.

01:53:34 [Weekendophylax]

I got the board...and built my computer with it...But the computer would power up, but it wouldn't boot

01:54:34 [Weekendophylax]

So I called up Newegg and they issued an RMA...Sent me an identical board 2nd day air...The day they sent it to me, the Soyo Ultra Dragon arrived at Newegg....I called up FedEx and had them re-route the package back to newegg without newegg's permission

01:54:36 [rbm]

how about: http://www.mpcparts.com/prodspecs/260234.asp

01:55:02 [rbm]

Weekendophylax: Wow.

01:55:15 [Weekendophylax]

then, I ordered the Soyo Ultra Dragon the next day

01:55:36 [Weekendophylax]

the Soyo board came in and it also wouldnt' boot but would power up...

01:55:47 [Weekendophylax]

I finally found out that it was the Power Supply that i had

01:56:23 [Weekendophylax]

I called up newegg and told them this..they issued me an RMA for the Power Supply I got with the case (they also let me send just the P/S back)

01:56:57 [rbm]

nice

01:57:00 [Weekendophylax]

AND, they let me order a replacement P/S, Athlon 1800XP (my 1700XP stopped working at some point between all of this)

01:57:22 [Weekendophylax]

And a duron 900 (I ordered it for "testing"...since I'd much rather fry a duron than an XP...cheaper too)

01:57:33 [Weekendophylax]

they sent it to me overnight for 5$

01:58:00 [Weekendophylax]

So I finally got it all figured out :) and I must give thumbs up to newegg for handing this in such a great manner...

01:58:01 [rbm]

So do you want me to order everything from new egg or you want to write me a check with X dollars and let me go shopping? Since I'm the beneficiary here, I'll do whatever you want, of course :)

01:58:16 [Weekendophylax]

lol

01:58:17 [Weekendophylax]

well

01:58:22 [Weekendophylax]

You can't go wrong with newegg

01:58:32 [Weekendophylax]

but if you have other places you want to get stuff from

01:58:37 [Weekendophylax]

that's fine with me

01:58:51 [rbm]

Posh (the place here in Logan) is very very good with customer service too.

01:59:03 [rbm]

And I can just drive up there and Mike (the owner) will do whatever I want.

01:59:04 [Weekendophylax]

:)

01:59:10 [Weekendophylax]

Hey, I don't care where you get the stuff

01:59:13 [Weekendophylax]

as long as you're happy

01:59:19 [Weekendophylax]

and happy with what you got

01:59:49 [rbm]

okay. I'll be happy with pretty much anything that's faster than what I have. Compiling a kernel takes a looooooong time :)

01:59:54 [Weekendophylax]

LOL

02:00:07 [Weekendophylax]

Well

02:00:20 [Weekendophylax]

I can't complain about the hardware I have

02:00:32 [Weekendophylax]

It's all been good to me so far

02:00:50 [rbm]

What I had in wind was an MSI board (probably the K7T266 - not the ProU or whatever), an Athlon, a decent case+PS

02:01:11 [Weekendophylax]

Don't forget that you'll need DDR ram then too

02:01:36 [Weekendophylax]

I have a network card if you need one

02:01:36 [rbm]

Some DDR RAM and maybe a better video card, but if I'm overbudget I could keep the Riva 128 8 Mb I have. I'm not that much of a gamer.

02:01:48 [Weekendophylax]

hehe

02:02:01 [Weekendophylax]

hard drive too

02:03:02 [rbm]

I have an 8 Gb and a 30 Gb in my current system. If this new system becomes my new main system, then I'll take the 30 Gb one and put it in there.

02:03:33 [Weekendophylax]

Top of the line nowadays as far as I know: Via KT333 chipset, Athlon XP2100 (Thoroughbreds are coming out any day), GeForce4, DDR2700...etc..etc..

02:04:00 [Weekendophylax]

I wouldn't mind helping you out up to about 200#

02:04:03 [Weekendophylax]

$

02:04:11 [Weekendophylax]

maybe in 2 installments of 100$ checks?

02:04:51 [Weekendophylax]

But if you need less I'm all up for it :-D

02:05:09 [rbm]

heheheh

02:05:46 [Weekendophylax]

The Thoroughbreds are coming out any dya

02:05:55 [rbm]

What's that?

02:05:55 [paje]

that is not true

02:05:59 [Weekendophylax]

the prices for XP's should drop

02:06:02 [rbm]

*lol*

02:06:16 [Weekendophylax]

It's basically an XP with a smaller die size and it will run cooler and use less power

02:06:34 [Weekendophylax]

Right now Xp's use a .18 micron die size

02:06:35 [rbm]

I love when Paje comes out with those phrases out of nowhere

02:06:41 [Weekendophylax]

yep

02:06:44 [Weekendophylax]

Silly bot

02:06:56 [Weekendophylax]

They're lowering the die size to .13

02:06:59 [rbm]

paje: paje is | a silly bot

02:07:00 [paje]

...but paje is the medicine man and oracle in Amazonian tribes. I'm also a recipient of church of mike's "full deal" package or a pirate...

02:07:11 [rbm]

paje: forget paje

02:07:11 [paje]

rbm: I forgot paje

02:07:17 [Weekendophylax]

paje is a bot

02:07:24 [rbm]

paje: paje is the medicine man and oracle in Amazonian tribes | a silly bot

02:07:24 [paje]

...but paje is a bot...

02:07:26 [rbm]

argh

02:07:27 [rbm]

paje: forget paje

02:07:28 [paje]

rbm: I forgot paje

02:07:29 [Weekendophylax]

;-D

02:07:30 [rbm]

paje: paje is the medicine man and oracle in Amazonian tribes | a silly bot

02:07:30 [paje]

OK, rbm.

02:08:00 [Weekendophylax]

we have an improved infobot Jim worked on a while ago

02:08:09 [rbm]

oh

02:08:38 [Weekendophylax]

So, yeah

02:08:52 [Weekendophylax]

the via kT266 and KT333 chipsets are king right now

02:09:08 [Weekendophylax]

Expect to pay around 120$ for a decent KT266 board

02:09:19 [rbm]

The MSI is $100

02:09:31 [Weekendophylax]

Does your local vendor have a website?

02:09:54 [rbm]

Yeah, but their inventory is not online right now.

02:10:09 [Weekendophylax]

you can get an nForce board

02:10:37 [rbm]

nvidia?

02:10:42 [Weekendophylax]

yeah

02:10:56 [rbm]

I thought their boards weren't so good (mobos)

02:10:58 [Weekendophylax]

They got some good marks

02:11:01 [Weekendophylax]

no no

02:11:11 [Weekendophylax]

nForce boards are made by a number of companies

02:11:30 [Weekendophylax]

they have some improvements with the memory subsystem and stuff

02:12:22 [Weekendophylax]

you can get the Soyo Dragon+ :)

02:12:27 [rbm]

How much was that case you were recommending?

02:12:37 [Weekendophylax]

34$ without a power supply

02:13:54 [rbm]

how much is the power supply?

02:14:03 [Weekendophylax]

hmmm...I have to keep an eye on my temperature on my other computer...it's been going up

02:14:26 [Weekendophylax]

how big?

02:14:31 [Weekendophylax]

Enermax 300 is 33$

02:15:35 [rbm]

Here's an MSI with nForce: http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=13-130-331-01.JPG/13-130-331-02.JPG/13-130-331-03.JPG/13-130-331-04.JPG/13-130-331-05.JPG ($100)

02:17:17 [Weekendophylax]

yeah iseen it

02:17:34 [Weekendophylax]

look for an nForce board with onboard video :)

02:18:00 [Weekendophylax]

oh

02:18:04 [Weekendophylax]

here's another thing

02:18:11 [Weekendophylax]

You gonna be running *nix on it?

02:18:22 [Weekendophylax]

You might want to check hardware compatibility on these things

02:18:32 [rbm]

Probably dual booting. I'll keep my K6-2 300 as my web/mail server

02:18:51 [rbm]

The MSI's are okay.

02:19:02 [Weekendophylax]

Ok for?

02:19:21 [rbm]

hardware compatibility-wise

02:20:23 [Weekendophylax]

Ah

02:21:14 [rbm]

Except a friend of mine who has it says the onboard sound really sucks.

02:21:22 [Weekendophylax]

hehe

02:21:28 [Weekendophylax]

I never got to test that out

02:21:37 [rbm]

I only have ISA sound cards

02:21:43 [Weekendophylax]

oh

02:21:50 [Weekendophylax]

so you'll need a soundcard then

02:22:00 [Weekendophylax]

since they don't make boards with ISA slots anymore ;-D

02:22:18 [Weekendophylax]

Since i had to do this not too long ago

02:22:34 [Weekendophylax]

first, make a decision if you want onboard things or you have all the cards already

02:22:58 [Weekendophylax]

Since it sounds you don't have a soundcard I would get one with onboard stuff

02:23:51 [Weekendophylax]

The ones I heard of: ECS, Soyo and MSI make boards with onboard stuff that I have heard decent things about

02:24:00 [rbm]

how much is the soyo?

02:24:08 [Weekendophylax]

let me look

02:24:36 [Weekendophylax]

130

02:24:47 [Weekendophylax]

MSI KT3 Ultra ARU is 128$

02:24:55 [Weekendophylax]

ECS is like 54$

02:25:36 [Weekendophylax]

ECS also makes a KT266a board for 65$

02:25:37 [davb]

make sure the onboard stuff works in linux

02:25:54 [Weekendophylax]

* Weekendophylax thwaps dave

02:26:01 [rbm]

* rbm is SOL

02:26:06 [Weekendophylax]

Why?

02:26:18 [Weekendophylax]

Dave, feel free to help :)

02:26:21 [davb]

unless you don't want to run linux :)

02:26:37 [rbm]

Weekendophylax: do you have an ECS? Do they run okay.?

02:26:38 [Weekendophylax]

I'm going to donate $ to roberto for hardwareo

02:27:07 [davb]

I wish I could get stuff from my hardware connection. but not anymore :(

02:27:18 [Weekendophylax]

I don't ;( I have a Asus K7M (Slot A athlon), Abit KR7A-RAID and a Soyo Ultra Dragon

02:27:33 [davb]

I have an Asus and MSI. both work nice.

02:27:40 [rbm]

The Soyo Ultra looks awesom. But it's $130

02:27:50 [Weekendophylax]

That's the regular Dragon+

02:27:54 [davb]

* davb reads the load to catch up

02:28:02 [Weekendophylax]

The Ultra Dragon+ is 161$

02:28:31 [rbm]

Oh, right. I was looking at the dragon+ (not ultra)

02:29:17 [Weekendophylax]

How about this

02:29:35 [Weekendophylax]

Whatever board you will settle on...

02:29:40 [Weekendophylax]

I'll match it to a Soyo Dragon+

02:29:49 [Weekendophylax]

and give you 25% of the price of the other board

02:30:07 [rbm]

Hmm?

02:30:12 [Weekendophylax]

but don't go find a 50$ board :) and then make me match it for like 120$

02:31:01 [Weekendophylax]

If you wanted to buy that MSI board...I would give you ~50$ since 130-100 = 30% + 25% of 100 is 25$

02:31:42 [davb]

thanks jim and yzzxy for the emacs hints

02:31:42 [rbm]

Is this on top of the $200? :-)

02:31:48 [Weekendophylax]

lol

02:32:03 [Weekendophylax]

Why don't I just send you a new computer

02:32:05 [Weekendophylax]

:P

02:32:48 [Weekendophylax]

Which linux were you going to run

02:32:57 [rbm]

Debian. always :)

02:33:00 [Weekendophylax]

* Weekendophylax guesses Deb

02:33:03 [Weekendophylax]

hehe

02:34:08 [rbm]

I'm creating a cart at newogg to see what it adds u.

02:34:14 [rbm]

s/u./up/

02:34:30 [Weekendophylax]

Tell me the parts so I can do the same

02:36:08 [rbm]

I am creating a wish list, so you'll be able to look at it

02:36:27 [Weekendophylax]

If you share it and stuff

02:38:22 [rbm]

oh

02:39:35 [Weekendophylax]

If you want Linux compatibility you'd have to scour the mailing lists to see which board works best

02:41:26 [davb]

argh

02:41:35 [Weekendophylax]

hehe

02:41:35 [davb]

has anyone gotten any openacs emails today?

02:41:39 [Weekendophylax]

nope

02:41:45 [Weekendophylax]

I don't think I'm on the list anymore

02:41:49 [davb]

ok hopefully everyone went outside :)

02:42:43 [rbm]

Which ram brand should I buy?L

02:42:57 [Weekendophylax]

Depends

02:42:58 [rbm]

davb: I didn't

02:43:01 [Weekendophylax]

You willing to pay for it?

02:43:05 [davb]

cool.

02:43:06 [rbm]

errr

02:43:25 [rbm]

what's the good bang for the buck that won't crap out on me?

02:43:33 [davb]

yeah! I love emacs

02:45:04 [Weekendophylax]

I'd get (in order of preference): Crucial, Samsung, Corsair, Mushing, Kingston

02:45:12 [Weekendophylax]

if you're going to overclock, swap the first two

02:46:42 [Weekendophylax]

they're all pretty much around 75-80$

02:48:47 [davb]

hey

02:48:49 [davb]

http://webcast.berkeley.edu/listings/archive.html?prog=40&group=51

02:48:49 [oacs-chump]

A: http://webcast.berkeley.edu/listings/archive.html?prog=40&group=51 from davb

02:49:02 [davb]

A: SICP lectures

02:49:02 [oacs-chump]

added comment A1

02:49:40 [rbm]

I think I'll get a Duron, and later, when XPs lower prices, I'll go for that

02:50:09 [Weekendophylax]

okay

02:50:21 [rbm]

hmm, can't find durons on newegg

02:50:31 [rbm]

Is Duron the same as thunderbird?

02:50:56 [davb]

i think duron are discontinued

02:51:08 [Weekendophylax]

nope, Durons are not discontinued

02:51:15 [Weekendophylax]

and no, durons are not the same thing as a T-bird

02:51:17 [davb]

thunderbird is better than duron I think.

02:51:22 [Weekendophylax]

yep

02:51:48 [rbm]

They're almost the same price as XPs though

02:51:54 [Weekendophylax]

yep

02:52:54 [davb]

http://www.schnada.de/hylin/tao.html

02:52:54 [oacs-chump]

B: http://www.schnada.de/hylin/tao.html from davb

02:53:06 [davb]

B:| the Tao of Recursion

02:53:06 [oacs-chump]

titled item B

02:55:20 [Weekendophylax]

i was suggested that you get a Duron if you're not a hardcore gamer

02:55:35 [Weekendophylax]

What's the most complex game you run?

02:55:41 [davb]

heard anythign about Gainward video cards?

02:55:47 [Weekendophylax]

yes

02:55:52 [Weekendophylax]

good gards...easy overclockers

02:55:55 [davb]

oops. anything good?

02:56:33 [rbm]

Weekendophylax: http://www.newegg.com/app/WishList.asp?position=HISTORY&submit=VIEW&ID=111438

02:56:51 [davb]

thanks Weekendophylax

02:57:22 [rbm]

Weekendophylax: I play Quake 3 once in a while. I like SimCity 3000 and Myth 2.

02:57:33 [rbm]

I was thinking of buying Dungeon Siege.

02:58:12 [rbm]

The t-birds I found at newegg were about the same price as XPs.

02:59:34 [Weekendophylax]

yeah

02:59:47 [Weekendophylax]

If you're upgrading to an XP...go duron

02:59:58 [Weekendophylax]

XPs are more efficient

03:00:00 [rbm]

I think I'd only use the power of an XP 1700 in rare occasions though

03:00:48 [rbm]

So maybe I should just go Duron.

03:01:08 [Weekendophylax]

I use the power of the XP daily

03:01:13 [Weekendophylax]

Crunching out RC5 keys

03:01:15 [rbm]

for what?

03:01:19 [rbm]

distributed.net?

03:01:21 [Weekendophylax]

yep

03:01:32 [Weekendophylax]

Actually

03:01:32 [paje]

Actually is there something to automate this a bit more?

03:01:39 [Weekendophylax]

ROFL

03:01:46 [rbm]

Ah... I usually leave mine running setiathome when I'm not doing anything

03:01:48 [Weekendophylax]

* Weekendophylax thwaps paje

03:02:07 [Weekendophylax]

I use my Athlon 750 (Slot A) the most

03:02:15 [Weekendophylax]

even though I have 2 XP's available

03:02:26 [Weekendophylax]

mostly because the 750 is always on

03:02:31 [rbm]

I hear XPs require so much fans that it's hard to stay in the same room.

03:02:39 [Weekendophylax]

yes

03:02:42 [rbm]

s/much/many/

03:02:42 [Weekendophylax]

that is certainly true

03:02:47 [Weekendophylax]

lol

03:02:50 [Weekendophylax]

let me do a quick count

03:03:21 [rbm]

I'd have to take that into serious consideration since I'll be moving my computer to the main bedroom to leave what is now my office for the baby.

03:03:27 [Weekendophylax]

the 1800XP has 8 fans, the 1900XP has like 5

03:03:57 [Weekendophylax]

Actually the bigger problem is not the amount of fans

03:04:00 [Weekendophylax]

but the airflow

03:04:02 [davb]

should I ask on the bboard if anyone has that 5b lecture?

03:04:12 [rbm]

davb: why not?

03:04:13 [Weekendophylax]

Is 5b downloadable?

03:04:26 [davb]

it was, but aduni.org doesn't have them anymore.

03:04:39 [Weekendophylax]

hmmm

03:04:39 [rbm]

*sighs*

03:04:46 [davb]

so I want to see if someone else downloaded it, and can send me a cdr or soemthing.

03:04:51 [Weekendophylax]

Roberto

03:04:53 [rbm]

Weekendophylax: I have to go help my wife with cooking

03:05:08 [Weekendophylax]

You would need about 3 case fans and a decent heatsink

03:05:17 [davb]

ouch,

03:05:30 [Weekendophylax]

The heatsink pretty much determines what kind of noise levels you'll be dealing with

03:05:45 [Weekendophylax]

60mm fans @ 7000rpm produce much more noise than 80mm fans @ 4000 rpm

03:05:56 [davb]

my ahtlon cpu fan is too loud. the p3 fan I have is much quieter.

03:06:04 [Weekendophylax]

Although the Millenium Glaciator II is considerably quieter than majority

03:06:14 [Weekendophylax]

Dave, what HSF you have on there?

03:06:25 [rbm]

Weekendophylax: So send me whatever you want (check, paypal) and I'll go shopping, getting back to you to make sure I'm on the right trac

03:06:29 [rbm]

s/$/k/

03:06:35 [davb]

I forget. there were so many and no way to tell which was better on newegg. :)

03:06:42 [Weekendophylax]

lol

03:06:42 [rbm]

Weekendophylax: I must say that I'm really grateful for your generosity

03:06:51 [Weekendophylax]

go to www.overclockers.com and look at their reviews

03:07:26 [Weekendophylax]

Here http://www.overclockers.com/articles373/

03:07:34 [rbm]

paje: here?

03:07:34 [paje]

i heard here was what happens: if I don't have anything in rzolf's form

03:07:45 [rbm]

hehe

03:07:49 [Weekendophylax]

hehe

03:08:28 [Weekendophylax]

I have the Alpha PAL8045 and the Millennium Glaciator II on my Athlons...they produce significantly less noise than the Vantec CCK-6035D

03:09:27 [rbm]

Maybe I should go Duron, and then whenever I have money to upgrade to XP I should have money to upgrade to a water-cooled case

03:09:47 [Weekendophylax]

lol, you're going water?

03:10:11 [Weekendophylax]

The heatsink I have is considerably quiet due to the fact that it's not a "Performance" heatsink

03:10:24 [Weekendophylax]

It doesn't convert your computer to an airport

03:10:34 [davb]

i think mine is a thermal take brand.

03:10:38 [rbm]

Weekendophylax: Sometime in the future I guess. Dunno.

03:11:02 [Weekendophylax]

LOL, even I don't dare try watercooling

03:11:03 [Weekendophylax]

LOL

03:11:08 [rbm]

http://www.googoogaga.org/

03:11:09 [oacs-chump]

C: http://www.googoogaga.org/ from rbm

03:11:19 [rbm]

C:| GOO is a new type-based prefix syntaxed language that is simple, powerful and extensible.

03:11:19 [oacs-chump]

titled item C

03:11:25 [rbm]

C: GOO is an acronym for Generic Object Orientator.

03:11:25 [oacs-chump]

added comment C1

03:12:17 [rbm]

Well, I'm off to help the wife.

03:12:22 [Weekendophylax]

Roberto, weren't you going to...lol..ok

03:12:23 [Weekendophylax]

see ya

03:12:27 [Weekendophylax]

wait

03:12:28 [rbm]

Weekendophylax: Thanks, for everything.

03:12:31 [rbm]

Weekendophylax: Yes?

03:12:40 [Weekendophylax]

did you get the price off newegg for the stuff you wanted?

03:12:49 [rbm]

Weekendophylax: You didn't follow the link?

03:12:57 [Weekendophylax]

i did..but it's user specific :)

03:13:06 [Weekendophylax]

It shows that I have nothing on my wishlist

03:13:06 [Weekendophylax]

hehe

03:13:11 [rbm]

Oh, crap

03:13:16 [rbm]

what's your e-mail address?

03:14:13 [rbm]

Weekendophylax: Mailed.

03:15:21 [Weekendophylax]

That doesn't look bad at all

03:15:56 [Weekendophylax]

Are you forgetting anything else?

03:16:26 [rbm]

I'd probably need a fan, and a soundcard.

03:16:44 [Weekendophylax]

case fan?

03:16:47 [rbm]

I'd stay with the onboard stuff until later when I could buy a soundcard

03:16:58 [rbm]

Weekendophylax: Yeah. I think that one doesn't have a case fan.

03:17:12 [Weekendophylax]

Sunon fans are good for the job

03:17:14 [Weekendophylax]

5$ a pop

03:18:05 [Weekendophylax]

I would get the KT3 MSI board

03:18:18 [Weekendophylax]

and downgrade the processor to make up for it

03:18:24 [rbm]

ARGH

03:18:35 [rbm]

After I've saved my wishlist I can't add to it?

03:18:58 [Weekendophylax]

You can

03:19:01 [Weekendophylax]

You have to log in

03:19:14 [Weekendophylax]

their site is a bit quirky to use but once you figure it all out it's cake

03:19:23 [rbm]

I am logged it

03:19:29 [Weekendophylax]

oh

03:19:47 [rbm]

But it says " Welcome (if you are not , click here ) logout "

03:20:03 [Weekendophylax]

click on wish list

03:20:12 [Weekendophylax]

then there should be the list below

03:21:07 [rbm]

Still I can't add stuff to my saved list. If I go to an item and click on "add to wishlist" it creates a new wishlist

03:21:22 [Weekendophylax]

Click on the wish list

03:21:36 [Weekendophylax]

below it should be a button that says "Edit this list"

03:21:49 [rbm]

Okay, now it let me do it.

03:22:34 [rbm]

why the KT3 MSI?

03:23:24 [Weekendophylax]

It has good onboard sound, network, it's the latest chipset KT333, has USB ver 2.0, support for DDR2700 and AGP 8x (no cards for AGP 8x though)

03:23:37 [Weekendophylax]

And it's only 128$

03:23:56 [rbm]

128? It's showing 99 for me

03:23:59 [Weekendophylax]

oh, and it has raid

03:24:02 [Weekendophylax]

ah

03:24:04 [rbm]

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=13-130-329 ?

03:24:04 [oacs-chump]

D: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=13-130-329 from rbm

03:24:06 [Weekendophylax]

I'm thinking of the ARU version

03:24:16 [rbm]

I don't want raid. I wouldn't use it.

03:24:55 [Weekendophylax]

Not sure if the KT3 has USB 2.0

03:25:10 [rbm]

USB 1.1 ports 2

03:25:27 [rbm]

I don't have any expensive gadgets that use USB 2.0, so I don't care.

03:25:40 [Weekendophylax]

ok

03:25:41 [davb]

if you do "source" in tcl, it evaluates the code in the same context as it was called?

03:25:47 [Weekendophylax]

then yeah, KT3 Ultra is good

03:25:59 [rbm]

I don't have any expensive gadgets period :-) With the exception of my visor neo, but that was a gift from my brother.

03:26:09 [rbm]

davb: I think so

03:26:12 [davb]

ok.

03:26:15 [davb]

hmmm.

03:26:22 [Weekendophylax]

Weren't you going to help your wife? LOL

03:26:30 [Weekendophylax]

you lazy bum

03:26:40 [rbm]

yikes!

03:26:41 [davb]

still. set just sets the value, so if a variable already exists, it should just "set" it.

03:26:46 [davb]

get out of here !

03:26:48 [davb]

:)

03:26:58 [Weekendophylax]

he's gonna get killed :)

03:27:40 [davb]

we'll never see him again.

03:27:54 [Weekendophylax]

hehe

03:27:58 [davb]

Weekendophylax: send me an email

03:28:00 [Weekendophylax]

Dave, what kind of an Athlon you got?

03:28:00 [rbm]

* rbm says "it's all Weekendophylax's fault :-)"

03:28:31 [davb]

950 tbird.

03:28:40 [Weekendophylax]

sent

03:28:45 [davb]

it was the cheapest one. they didn't have a 1ghz

03:28:54 [davb]

thanks. it worked.

03:29:02 [Weekendophylax]

Roberto, you should upgrade your computers whenever the Mhz of your old one double

03:29:07 [Weekendophylax]

You're about 4 generations behind :)

03:29:20 [rbm]

I guess

03:29:27 [Weekendophylax]

:-D

03:29:48 [davb]

I think keep the cpu half of the fastest one or so these days. load up on RAM and hard drives.

03:29:52 [Weekendophylax]

you can probably find some good parts in the "bargain bin" of places too

03:30:02 [Weekendophylax]

LOL, ram and hard drives?

03:30:07 [Weekendophylax]

RAM ok, hard drives?

03:30:09 [davb]

yeah.

03:30:12 [Weekendophylax]

only if you need RAID

03:30:13 [rbm]

Have you guys heard of the brainf*ck language? It makes perl look like Ada.

03:30:16 [davb]

well. at least get one big one.

03:30:43 [rbm]

http://ucsub.colorado.edu/~kominek/rot13/brainf***/rot13.bf

03:30:43 [oacs-chump]

E: http://ucsub.colorado.edu/~kominek/rot13/brainf***/rot13.bf from rbm

03:30:52 [rbm]

E:| rot13 in Brainf*ck

03:30:52 [oacs-chump]

titled item E

03:31:09 [rbm]

E: That is the source

03:31:09 [oacs-chump]

added comment E1

03:31:16 [Weekendophylax]

hard drives are nice if you can get 5...to run them in 1+0 which makes it nice and fast...and backed up

03:31:30 [rbm]

I'd love to go all scsi

03:31:35 [Weekendophylax]

LOL

03:31:38 [Weekendophylax]

expensive

03:31:42 [rbm]

yeah

03:31:47 [davb]

yeahm but IDE drives are made like crap.

03:31:47 [Weekendophylax]

ahhhh shiznat

03:31:56 [Weekendophylax]

I was planning on goiing to buy some alcohol today

03:32:00 [Weekendophylax]

and tomorrow is sunday!

03:32:07 [rbm]

However, you can get the IDE drives and then use the IDE2SCSI adaptors to use them in a SCSI bus.

03:32:07 [davb]

you have until 4am or so.

03:32:23 [Weekendophylax]

nah...I was going to get hard liquior

03:32:23 [rbm]

There's nothing wrong with good IDE drives, it's the bus that sucks

03:32:30 [Weekendophylax]

all the liquior stores are closed

03:32:37 [davb]

ah. right

03:32:46 [rbm]

In Utah you can only buy alcohol until midnight I think

03:32:56 [davb]

drive to a state that sells liquor in grocery stores.

03:33:06 [Weekendophylax]

lol

03:33:08 [davb]

or just get beer.

03:33:12 [Weekendophylax]

blech

03:33:16 [Weekendophylax]

I need hard liquior

03:33:19 [rbm]

Well, I'm outa here

03:33:22 [Weekendophylax]

Das Comet is really good

03:33:24 [rbm]

later

03:33:29 [Weekendophylax]

ok, later Roberto, I will help you more tomorrow

03:33:35 [davb]

that is weird. in nebraska they have a huge aisle full of everything. its surreal

03:33:48 [Weekendophylax]

lol

03:33:58 [Weekendophylax]

I'm not about to drive to Nebraska

03:34:15 [davb]

well that would be silly.

03:35:12 [Weekendophylax]

lol

03:35:20 [Weekendophylax]

* Weekendophylax scrolls up to the line where dave suggested it

03:35:51 [davb]

no, i said find a state that sells it all night.

03:35:58 [Weekendophylax]

Das Comet is made by the same company that makes Black Haus and Rumple Mintz

03:35:59 [davb]

nebraska is just one of those states.

03:36:13 [Weekendophylax]

It's Vanilla flavored liquior 35% by volume

03:36:19 [Weekendophylax]

so good on the rocks...so so good

03:36:33 [davb]

that actually sounds ok.

03:36:40 [davb]

but i like beer.

03:37:13 [Weekendophylax]

beer is ok

03:37:20 [Weekendophylax]

but it doesn't get you fucked up unless you drink a lot of it

03:38:40 [Weekendophylax]

i'm about to do something crazy

03:43:02 [davb]

aolserver annoys me.

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04:07:02 [Weekendophylax]

Dave, still here?

04:08:28 [davb]

yes

04:08:34 [Weekendophylax]

Good news for Roberto

04:08:52 [Weekendophylax]

I had two different people tell me the Soyo Dragon+ onboard components work under Linux

04:09:02 [davb]

ah, excellent.

04:09:16 [Weekendophylax]

Don't ask me why I'm giving roberto money

04:09:17 [Weekendophylax]

lol

04:09:18 [Weekendophylax]

I don't know

04:10:12 [davb]

:)

04:10:32 [davb]

don't ask me why aolserver is so annoying

04:10:36 [davb]

i don't know

04:10:45 [Weekendophylax]

LOL

04:15:05 [davb]

argh

04:15:18 [davb]

i put html in my bboar dpost, but forgot to click "this is html"

04:29:42 [talli]

paje, seen rbm?

04:29:43 [paje]

rbm was last seen on #openacs 56 minutes and 18 seconds ago, saying: later [Sat Apr 27 21:34:05 2002]

04:29:51 [talli]

hey guys

04:29:51 [Weekendophylax]

heeh

04:29:56 [Weekendophylax]

hey talli

04:31:22 [davb]

hi talli

04:31:48 [davb]

I am suspecting a pactch to aolserver is in order to get this package stuff working for tclsoap.

04:32:10 [Weekendophylax]

yay, I picked out the stuff for Roberto

04:32:35 [davb]

nifty.

04:35:00 [Weekendophylax]

yep

04:35:05 [Weekendophylax]

Just sent him the wishlist too

04:35:11 [Weekendophylax]

357$

04:35:50 [davb]

weird.

04:35:52 [Weekendophylax]

389.15$ shipped to his door

04:36:04 [davb]

package require works fine in adp pages, if you set the variables.

04:36:22 [davb]

no need to source init.tcl

04:36:27 [davb]

it must already be in there.

04:37:59 [Weekendophylax]

so much formatting to do

04:38:14 [Weekendophylax]

I have to convert this computer to a FreeBSD/Windows computer

04:38:33 [davb]

sounds like fun.

04:38:58 [davb]

ok. i officially have no idea what aolserver is doing.

04:42:23 [Weekendophylax]

format it

04:42:51 [davb]

i could, but that would slow my progress even further.

04:48:09 [davb]

this isn't windows you know

04:48:13 [talli]

davb: learn C and write a native SOAP module for AOLserver!

04:48:27 [talli]

you will be considered a god-like hacker!

04:48:35 [talli]

rob mayoff will bow to you!

04:48:38 [davb]

talli: that is wacky.

04:48:46 [davb]

I am sure I can just aolserverify an existing one.

04:49:05 [davb]

the cool thing about tclsoap is it does soap and xmlrpc with the same interface. at the same time.

04:49:28 [talli]

that's nice

04:49:37 [talli]

it would be even nicer if it friggin' worked

04:49:52 [davb]

it works.

04:49:54 [davb]

it works great!

04:50:14 [davb]

aolserver is broken. it does not implement a real tcl environment for tcl pages.

04:50:24 [davb]

adp pages work much ncier, but still not without a little hackage.

04:50:30 [talli]

bite your tongue!

04:50:46 [davb]

no. it is clearly a lack of desire by aol to make it work.

04:51:01 [davb]

now, if I can make it work and submit a patch. they probably would stuff it in.

04:53:44 [talli]

a patch in C or in tcl?

04:53:52 [davb]

wherever it needs it.

05:05:09 [davb]

hmmmm

05:05:16 [davb]

more analysis is required.

05:05:31 [rzolf]

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05:05:36 [davb]

it looks liek init.tcl and package.tcl only need to be loaded into a thread once?

05:05:38 [rzolf]

paje: seen markd

05:05:38 [paje]

I haven't seen 'markd', rzolf

05:05:43 [rzolf]

paje: seen markd2

05:05:44 [paje]

markd2 was last seen on #openacs 1 days, 9 hours, 6 minutes and 18 seconds ago, saying: paje seen rzolf? [Fri Apr 26 14:00:06 2002]

05:06:08 [rzolf]

hazmat?

05:06:08 [paje]

hazmat is somebody that drinks often from the river lethe or a pirate

05:06:15 [rzolf]

:-/

05:06:29 [rzolf]

er. is hazmat alive?

05:06:51 [davb]

ok.

05:07:06 [davb]

its true. init.tcl and package.tcl need to be loaded into the interpreters first.

05:07:10 [davb]

but only once.

05:07:22 [davb]

so aolserver should just be loading that stuff.

05:08:57 [davb]

interesting, and incredibly annoying.

05:09:39 [davb]

if you load init.tcl and package.tcl once, and get that variable already exists error. they procs stay in the interpreter, so you don't load it again. it works perfectly. no variable error or anything.

05:10:27 [davb]

ok that's enough. i'll read the log tomorrow and figure this out.

05:11:16 [rzolf]

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05:11:18 [davb]

ah. adp works the same way

05:11:45 [davb]

except no variable already exists ever. becuase the parser executes init.tcl in another strack frame apparently, but the procs still stick. that is the weird part.

05:19:07 [davb]

ok more useless info:

05:19:27 [davb]

if you load init.tcl in an adp page. then the tcl pages will work forever after (in the same interpreter anyway)

05:19:48 [davb]

no further loading of stuff is required for the tcl page. but you need to reload init.tcl every time for an adp page.

05:23:24 [davb]

good night

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12:23:27 [Weekendophylax]

mooo

12:35:47 [davb]

Weekendophylax: its early

13:07:19 [Weekendophylax]

I know

13:07:26 [Weekendophylax]

You try sleeping with 4 computers on

13:11:17 [davb]

heh

13:11:23 [davb]

I keep mine in the other room

13:11:53 [Weekendophylax]

I don't have another room to keep them in

13:12:15 [davb]

ah :(

13:12:21 [til]

good afternoon

13:12:26 [davb]

hi til.

13:12:27 [Weekendophylax]

afternoon?!

13:12:32 [Weekendophylax]

It's 9:12

13:12:34 [Weekendophylax]

AM

13:12:38 [davb]

Weekendophylax: not everyone is in EST

13:12:41 [til]

in europe at least ...

13:12:55 [til]

this stupid timezone thing, you know ;)

13:13:34 [Weekendophylax]

heh

13:13:45 [Weekendophylax]

Didn't we vote to get rid of that?

13:14:29 [til]

i had to phone to india recently and they told me the place i am phoning is 6 and a half hour off ...

13:14:43 [til]

i mean - are they crazy? 6 _and a half hour_?

13:14:51 [davb]

there are a few places...

13:14:59 [Weekendophylax]

lol

13:15:24 [til]

next time you talk to someone on the other end of the city they say it's 3 minutes later there

13:15:46 [davb]

heh

13:16:10 [til]

let's make the earth a disc again, it's so much easier

13:16:37 [davb]

hmmm. my copy of aolserver 4 doesn't have nodules/namespace.tcl

13:17:12 [Weekendophylax]

yep!

13:17:17 [Weekendophylax]

I'm down with the disk idea

13:17:52 [til]

the only question is: what do we put on the other side?

13:18:22 [davb]

ohhh. i found the secret interpreter create script

13:18:24 [til]

nothing, it falls down. sorry, stupid me

13:18:36 [davb]

yeah, nothing would stick.

13:19:05 [davb]

wait, by careful use of industrial Velcro, we can have alot more space!

13:19:37 [Weekendophylax]

* Weekendophylax loves industrial velcro

13:21:12 [til]

you know this sport where you wear a velcro overall and jump against a velcro wall?

13:21:25 [davb]

I have heard of it, never tried it.

13:22:03 [Weekendophylax]

I don't think it's really a sport

13:22:10 [Weekendophylax]

more like a thing people do for fun(?)

13:22:17 [Weekendophylax]

Take crowd surfing for example...

13:22:25 [Weekendophylax]

It's not really a sport...but it sure as hell is fun

13:22:56 [til]

crowd surfing?

13:23:04 [Weekendophylax]

yeah

13:24:03 [til]

* til wonders what that is

13:24:12 [Weekendophylax]

You know, when you go to a rock/heavy metal concert and you get all the people to push you along towards the stage where a disgruntled half-deaf security guard attempts to strangle the hell of you while grabbing you by the throat and pulls you over the divider

13:24:44 [Weekendophylax]

you get to float on top of people like in water...thus crowd surfing

13:25:17 [til]

like poor man's stage diving?

13:25:29 [davb]

closely related.

13:25:59 [davb]

anyone know the syntax for locate? I want it to search a directory and those under it.

13:26:02 [Weekendophylax]

yes, closely related

13:26:14 [Weekendophylax]

They don't usually let you go up on the stage to dive off

13:26:24 [Weekendophylax]

So...they reversed the process...

13:26:43 [Weekendophylax]

You get up on the crowd in the back and make your way forward

13:26:50 [til]

i only use locate | grep

13:26:58 [davb]

oh, good idea

13:27:19 [davb]

cool

13:27:46 [Weekendophylax]

Only problem with that strategy is that sometimes people in front of your surfing pattern don't pay attention and you fall on your bum or head or arm or whatever else is in the way of your fall

13:27:52 [til]

* til suggests enhancing your crowd surfing experience by carrying an expensive bycicle

13:27:52 [davb]

it looks like they did fix the namespace stuff in aolserver 4, or at least tried to.

13:28:48 [til]

forget the bycicle, i misunderstood crowd surfing

13:28:56 [til]

cool, never seen that

13:29:41 [Weekendophylax]

seen what?

13:29:41 [paje]

I haven't seen 'what', Weekendophylax

13:30:07 [Weekendophylax]

you haven't seen your behind?

13:30:19 [til]

http://www.events-plus.com/velcrowall.jpg

13:30:19 [oacs-chump]

F: http://www.events-plus.com/velcrowall.jpg from til

13:30:42 [til]

what=crowd surfing (need more coffee)

13:31:01 [Weekendophylax]

oh

13:31:06 [Weekendophylax]

You need to go to more concerts then

13:31:08 [til]

F: "fun"

13:31:09 [oacs-chump]

added comment F1

13:31:31 [til]

definitely

13:31:55 [Weekendophylax]

^^ that's fun too ^^

13:32:36 [til]

hehe

13:33:26 [Weekendophylax]

I fell on my bum like 3 times last time I went

13:35:19 [til]

ouch

13:35:36 [Weekendophylax]

That's ok

13:35:39 [Weekendophylax]

it was totally worth it

13:36:00 [Weekendophylax]

I went with 2 other friends and one of them didn't do anything remotely fun

13:36:19 [Weekendophylax]

he said besides me and Sandy (my other friend) he saw only like 1 person surfing

13:36:19 [Weekendophylax]

hehe

13:37:54 [til]

cool

13:38:27 [til]

did you try stage diving too?

13:38:47 [til]

i know that when i'd try everybody would kindly step aside

13:39:11 [til]

so i rather listen to the music instead ;)

13:40:54 [Weekendophylax]

nope, it's almost impossible to get onto the stage

13:41:22 [Weekendophylax]

plus, there's usually a nice 4-6 foot gap between the stage and the crowd since that's where they stick the crowd surfers down when they arrive

13:43:20 [davb]

* davb rebuilds all the ns* modules for aolserver 4

13:44:16 [til]

sounds quite convenient ... but they throw you out of that gap after a while i guess?

13:44:36 [Weekendophylax]

well, yeah once you land and regain sense of direction

13:47:06 [davb]

darn nsrewrite doesn't work in aolserver4

13:47:40 [til]

nsrewrite=url rewriting?

13:47:49 [davb]

yeah. i guess :)

13:48:20 [davb]

apparently Ns_GetConn does not exist in aolserver4

13:48:44 [til]

any chance that oacs runs on aolserver 4?

13:48:52 [davb]

not without that :)

13:48:54 [davb]

brb

13:52:31 [Weekendophylax]

Dave: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2020421361 that's one good Socket A heatsink if it fits your motherboard

13:53:57 [til]

* til posts to slashdot

13:54:27 [til]

actually i know it's completely useless to ask for serious information on a /. discussion

14:05:10 [Weekendophylax]

Isn't their discussion potential limited to Linux vs. BSD flame wars and other useless arugments?

14:06:44 [til]

mostly, yes

14:07:41 [Weekendophylax]

heh

14:07:50 [Weekendophylax]

They could do something much more useful

14:10:42 [Weekendophylax]

* Weekendophylax goes to eat his healty cereal

14:10:57 [til]

yeah, like answering my question for example. but i know they won't. there is this article about ms donating software mexican

14:11:07 [til]

oops

14:11:55 [til]

ms donating software to mexico, and i was wondering if there are any volunteer projects that deal with free software in developing countries

14:21:27 [Weekendophylax]

hehe

14:21:34 [Weekendophylax]

anyone ever have grape nuts?

14:24:11 [Weekendophylax]

Must digest my food and then go bowl my 5 games

14:24:25 [Weekendophylax]

oh shit

14:24:35 [Weekendophylax]

it's 10:24 already

14:24:36 [til]

grape nuts? does that grow near nuclear power plants only?

14:24:38 [Weekendophylax]

I better hurry my lazy ass up

14:24:47 [Weekendophylax]

no, it's a cereal

14:25:25 [Weekendophylax]

only problem with Grape Nuts is that they taste like crap

14:25:55 [Weekendophylax]

This --> http://www.kashi.com/ <-- cereal is awesome

14:27:57 [til]

* til prefers a bag of freshly grinded wheat

14:28:05 [Weekendophylax]

ROFL

14:28:18 [Weekendophylax]

I just read that as "freshly grinded meat"

14:28:19 [Weekendophylax]

hahaha

14:28:44 [til]

heh

14:29:33 [til]

like in this new mongolian restaurant that we tried recently

14:30:35 [til]

what they call "tea" contains more fat then ten cheeseburgers

14:31:29 [Weekendophylax]

mmmmm

14:31:34 [Weekendophylax]

tasty

14:32:07 [til]

they _only_ have meat on their menu

14:32:41 [Weekendophylax]

heh

14:32:49 [til]

the small bit of mayonnaise (!) salad was still frozen and obviously just decoration

14:32:52 [Weekendophylax]

Goat tea or Lamb tea?

14:33:06 [til]

vegetarianism is propably a capital offense there

14:33:17 [Weekendophylax]

They're all on the Atkins diet?

14:35:29 [til]

this atkins is propably from there

14:36:00 [Weekendophylax]

hehe

14:36:36 [Weekendophylax]

I'm going to bowl...be back in about 2 hours

14:36:57 [til]

bye

14:37:00 [Weekendophylax]

laters

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Bowlophylax is now known as Weekendophylax

16:07:33 [til]

* til wonders if there is already some kind of categorization facility in openacs

16:12:40 [Weekendophylax]

hmm?

16:27:38 [rzolf]

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16:27:46 [rzolf]

paje: seen markd2

16:27:47 [paje]

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16:30:14 [davb]

til, yes, with the CR only though.

16:30:29 [davb]

also: bboard has its on scheme for categories, and a couple others I think.

16:40:08 [davb]

there is a data model for new system wide categories. but no code yet.

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16:42:05 [davb]

hi AaronSw

16:43:35 [AaronSw]

hi" he says sheepishly.

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16:43:43 [davb]

bye :)

16:44:45 [davb]

ah, now I recall all the connection code was rewritten to be much faster for aolserver4

16:45:01 [til]

davb: thanks

16:45:39 [til]

where is this data model?

16:56:01 [davb]

i think in my email :)

16:58:09 [til]

don't bother digging, i'll just roll my own (extremely simple requirements, so it'd be propably overkill anyway)

16:58:39 [davb]

ok. its pretty simple if I recall. basically. two tables. categories. and a category/object map.

16:59:04 [til]

that's what i have in mind, too ;)

16:59:58 [til]

no, sorry, it's even easier, because in this special case each item can only be part of one category, so i'll just add a field to its table

17:00:12 [davb]

oh. that is easy :)

17:00:29 [til]

just thought if there was some code already it would be even easier to use that and get a category admin interface for free

17:01:35 [davb]

oh, there is no admin interface, except CMS. trust me, you don't want to go there.

17:02:56 [til]

* til trusts davb

17:05:10 [Weekendophylax]

* Weekendophylax aquires a new printer

17:06:14 [davb]

cool? what kind.

17:06:37 [Weekendophylax]

laser printer

17:12:24 [Weekendophylax]

Wow

17:12:24 [Weekendophylax]

That's a lot of power draw

17:12:36 [Weekendophylax]

paje seen roberto

17:12:36 [paje]

I haven't seen 'roberto', Weekendophylax

17:12:40 [Weekendophylax]

paje seen rbm

17:12:40 [paje]

rbm was last seen on #openacs 13 hours, 39 minutes and 15 seconds ago, saying: later [Sat Apr 27 21:34:05 2002]

17:17:16 [Weekendophylax]

lol

17:17:22 [Weekendophylax]

having the printer on kicked in my UPS

17:17:37 [Weekendophylax]

and even after turning off one of my computers the UPS is still on battery

17:18:49 [til]

and the point in connecting the printer to the ups is?

17:18:58 [Weekendophylax]

no

17:19:03 [Weekendophylax]

it's not connected to the UPS

17:19:13 [davb]

do not connect a laser printer to an ups. it has to be directly into the wall outlet.

17:19:15 [Weekendophylax]

I only have one 3 pronged outlet in my room

17:19:27 [Weekendophylax]

so I have a power strip that feeds lots of things

17:19:36 [Weekendophylax]

the UPS and the printer are connected to the strip

17:19:48 [Weekendophylax]

and the printer sucks so much juice that the UPS feed has too little

17:19:49 [til]

are you printing money and dont want to lose any of those serial numbers?

17:19:56 [til]

ah, i c

17:20:40 [davb]

you need some real electricty for a laser printer.

17:21:02 [davb]

which model is it anyway?

17:22:10 [til]

binford 4000?

17:22:24 [Weekendophylax]

Brother HL-1440

17:22:34 [davb]

that is just a little one right?

17:25:00 [Weekendophylax]

yeah

17:25:04 [Weekendophylax]

Time to upgrade it

17:25:08 [Weekendophylax]

* Weekendophylax finds some old SIMMs

17:33:31 [Weekendophylax]

W00t

17:33:36 [Weekendophylax]

18 megs instead of 2

17:47:53 [Weekendophylax]

wow

17:48:04 [Weekendophylax]

this printer really kicks the ass out of our electrical power

18:01:05 [til]

"What is necessary to know how to volunteer for military service? It is necessary to know how to use the CVS client, which is very simple."

18:01:15 [til]

i love automatic translation services

18:13:59 [hazmat]

paje: seen rzolf

18:13:59 [paje]

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20:00:21 [davb]

* davb learns C

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20:25:03 [talli_]

hey guys

20:25:07 [talli_]

anyone home this afternoon?

20:25:12 [talli_]

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20:25:23 [talli]

davb: how's the SOAP stuff coming along?

20:25:52 [talli]

davb: have you ever looked at BEEP?

20:26:50 [Weekendophylax]

beep!

20:26:59 [Weekendophylax]

beep beep!

20:27:02 [Weekendophylax]

Who let the road runner in!

20:33:21 [davb]

not yet :)

20:33:37 [davb]

tclSOAP works. it is just an ugly hack in aolserver 3.x

20:33:53 [davb]

I am trying to get OpenACS working in AOLserver 4. i have to fix nsrewrite.

20:35:13 [davb]

ok nsrewrite loaded.

20:37:05 [davb]

cool. its loading now.

20:37:27 [davb]

it works.

20:37:37 [davb]

uhoh. i think I am not the official maintainer of nsrewrite :)

20:40:20 [talli]

nice

20:40:28 [rbm]

oooom

20:40:47 [talli]

hey rbm

20:40:52 [rbm]

hey talli

20:41:34 [rbm]

Weekendophylax: around?

20:43:44 [rbm]

paje: seen Weekendophylax

20:43:44 [paje]

Weekendophylax was last seen on #openacs 16 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying: Who let the road runner in! [Sun Apr 28 14:27:43 2002]

20:46:34 [davb]

hi rbm

20:48:29 [rbm]

hi davb. I've been meaning to join you in you Tcl mod loading effort, but with finals I have been unable to.

20:48:39 [Weekendophylax]

hey roberto

20:49:08 [rbm]

hey Weekendophylax. Got your list.

20:49:15 [Weekendophylax]

Not being able to print greyscale text is a major or minor problem in a laser printer?

20:49:23 [Weekendophylax]

And is it a driver limitation or hardware?

20:49:30 [rbm]

Last night newegg.com was under "maintenance" for over an hour

20:49:47 [rbm]

I'd say it's major. If you can't do greyscale, you only have full B&W

20:50:15 [Weekendophylax]

Well, it prints greyscale pictures and test pages

20:50:52 [rbm]

oh, I guess it's minor then.

20:51:09 [Weekendophylax]

I think it's a driver problem

20:51:49 [Weekendophylax]

What did you think of the list?

20:52:32 [rbm]

Weekendophylax: It's really good. I'm looking at different video cards.

20:53:04 [rbm]

I like the Soyo, but I was thinking of getting the MSI and using the extra $30 into a faster Duron

20:56:24 [Weekendophylax]

The ECS K7S6A for 64$ also has Linux compatible Audio

20:56:46 [rbm]

Weekendophylax: heheh

20:56:58 [Weekendophylax]

?

20:57:17 [rbm]

I saw your post

20:57:28 [Weekendophylax]

hehe

20:58:30 [Weekendophylax]

you'll have to excuse my loss of participation

20:58:47 [Weekendophylax]

I'm watching Mission Impossible 3

20:58:53 [Weekendophylax]

Codename: Cats and Dogs

20:59:07 [rbm]

Oh. I was going to say I didn't know a third one was out.

20:59:14 [rbm]

The second one was a disappointment

20:59:21 [Weekendophylax]

yeah

20:59:26 [Weekendophylax]

Cats and Dogs is good though

21:00:23 [Weekendophylax]

Anyone have a good sub 300$ printer that prints greyscale?

21:00:27 [Weekendophylax]

laser printer

21:00:44 [djg]

Weekendophylax: linux or windows?

21:01:28 [Weekendophylax]

windows

21:01:44 [Weekendophylax]

I went out and bought a Brother 1440

21:01:59 [Weekendophylax]

apparently it needs better drivers

21:02:01 [djg]

yeah i also got a brother

21:02:09 [djg]

which also works with linux

21:02:21 [djg]

i've had the experience that every $ saved on a printer makes it worse

21:02:24 [Weekendophylax]

Which brother?

21:02:28 [djg]

cheap printers are cheap :-/

21:02:38 [djg]

hl-1250

21:02:43 [djg]

works like a charm with red hat

21:02:45 [Weekendophylax]

does it print greyscale?

21:03:09 [rbm]

* rbm has a cheap printer that is not cheap. It's an epson.

21:03:23 [rbm]

inkjet

21:03:34 [djg]

what do you mean with greyscale?

21:04:37 [Weekendophylax]

if you have black text and grey text

21:04:46 [Weekendophylax]

Mine prints all black

21:04:54 [Weekendophylax]

I think it's just the WinXP drivers

21:05:09 [djg]

ah...of course does it print greyscale

21:05:12 [Weekendophylax]

let's test my theory out

21:05:22 [djg]

(i was wondering about a hidden concept i had never heard of.)

21:05:22 [Weekendophylax]

hang on..i might lock up my computer

21:06:38 [davb]

rbm: my focus is getting it working in aolserver 4 now. I "think" (famous last words, i know) they have improved the handlign in aolserver 4.

21:06:58 [rbm]

davb: Good deal

21:07:17 [davb]

i have openacs 4.5 loaded in there now. only a small patch to nsrewrite is required.

21:07:23 [davb]

afaict so far...

21:09:54 [Weekendophylax]

hmmm

21:11:20 [rbm]

Weekendophylax: I think that the Chieftec case in my list and the antec case in yours is the same, except mine is black

21:11:31 [Weekendophylax]

they are

21:11:39 [Weekendophylax]

and I think mine comes out cheaper since it comes with a power supply

21:12:12 [rbm]

No, I'm wrong. They're very similar though.

21:12:29 [rbm]

Weekendophylax: Mine comes with a PS too. But it's $4 more for some reason.

21:13:02 [talli]

holy christ! djg lives!

21:14:00 [rbm]

Weekendophylax: Yours says it's "for pentium 4"

21:15:51 [Weekendophylax]

It just means it comes with a special connector P4 boards use now

21:15:51 [djg]

talli: yeah - that bitchx screen window is usally idle :-D

21:16:08 [talli]

djg: who are you in real life?

21:16:13 [rbm]

* rbm hates bitchx's lame exit messages

21:16:18 [Weekendophylax]

heh

21:16:18 [talli]

you play on the bboards?

21:16:43 [rbm]

lame is an understatement. They're horrificly stupid

21:16:55 [rbm]

brb

21:19:08 [talli]

btw, until we can reply to bboard posts from email clients, no one outside of the oACS community is going to use that tool

21:20:10 [Weekendophylax]

heh

21:23:58 [Weekendophylax]

yeah it doesn't seem to print greyscale with these drivers

21:27:04 [rbm]

talli: I've argued about that, but Ben thinks that this way we keep the SNR higher

21:27:22 [talli]

SNR?

21:27:29 [rbm]

Signal to Noise Ration

21:27:34 [rbm]

errr, Ratio

21:27:37 [talli]

well, that's complete bullshit

21:28:09 [talli]

it also closes off the community

21:28:23 [talli]

that's the kind of insular attitude that will *kill* the oACS

21:28:41 [rbm]

It doesn't close it off, but it reduces the number of posts. Anybody can still post, they only have to register=\

21:28:59 [talli]

registering is fine

21:29:04 [talli]

they should have to register either way

21:29:16 [talli]

but for people that want to build their own applications, it's critical

21:29:23 [talli]

my clietns are always *begging* for that feature

21:31:17 [rbm]

what is critical? e-mail?

21:31:37 [talli]

yeah

21:31:50 [talli]

being able to respond to discussions from an email client

21:32:05 [talli]

i'm not sure if that means "mailing list" functionality

21:32:06 [rbm]

That's not hard to add.

21:32:13 [rbm]

It means mailing list functionality.

21:32:31 [rbm]

bbiab

21:53:56 [Weekendophylax]

me thinks this printer is going back to the store

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22:08:16 [talli]

hey rzolf

22:08:19 [rzolf]

hello.

22:09:16 [rzolf]

paje: seen markd2

22:09:17 [paje]

markd2 was last seen on #openacs 2 days, 2 hours, 9 minutes and 51 seconds ago, saying: paje seen rzolf? [Fri Apr 26 14:00:06 2002]

22:09:20 [rzolf]

hmm.

22:17:12 [Weekendophylax]

Psyche -1 , Printer - 0

22:17:16 [davb]

talli: I think email to bboard is very important.

22:17:54 [talli]

i agree

22:21:09 [rbm]

adding incoming e-mail capabilities to bboard would be trivial with procmail, a Tcl script and nstcl

22:21:47 [talli]

if so, we really need to do it

22:22:05 [talli]

i thought that it;s kinda complex because of the different possibilities

22:22:18 [rzolf]

incoming email is tricky.

22:22:30 [davb]

Conversant does it :)

22:22:31 [rzolf]

because MTAs are not standard

22:22:36 [rbm]

I'm just thinking of the "regular" bboard posts

22:23:08 [rbm]

rzolf: procmail could do a good chunck of the job

22:23:13 [rzolf]

yes

22:23:37 [rzolf]

in any case, speaking of email. i have to finish this email module of my own.

22:24:17 [rzolf]

how do i make the bot say somehting if markd2 asks if it has seen me?

22:24:18 [rbm]

brb

22:25:22 [rzolf]

paje: bork

22:25:22 [paje]

rzolf: excuse me?

22:25:30 [rzolf]

paje: seen rolf

22:25:31 [paje]

I haven't seen 'rolf', rzolf

22:25:36 [rzolf]

paje: seen rzolf

22:25:36 [paje]

rzolf was last seen on #openacs 0 seconds ago, saying: paje: seen rzolf [Sun Apr 28 16:26:16 2002]

22:25:43 [rzolf]

paje: bork

22:25:44 [paje]

rzolf: excuse me?

22:25:52 [rzolf]

rzolf is now known as ham

22:25:54 [davb]

rzolf: you can use msgserv or something like that.

22:25:56 [ham]

ham is now known as hamstacks

22:26:03 [hamstacks]

page: seen rzolf

22:26:03 [paje]

rzolf was last seen on #openacs 20 seconds ago, saying: paje: bork [Sun Apr 28 16:26:24 2002]

22:26:09 [hamstacks]

ok.

22:26:15 [hamstacks]

that should suffice.

22:26:22 [davb]

oh memo its called.

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22:54:55 [talli]

if we can get bboards to accept incoming mail, then the OACS becomes much more compelling

22:55:08 [talli]

until then, it's a nice but not very helpful bboard system

22:55:36 [talli]

at least from the perspective of the clients i've come across

22:58:09 [Weekendophylax]

moo?

22:58:09 [paje]

moo Weekendophylax, glad to see you back!

22:58:25 [Weekendophylax]

* Weekendophylax pets paje and gives him a b0t c00kie

22:58:32 [Weekendophylax]

paje, seen rbm

22:58:32 [paje]

rbm was last seen on #openacs 34 minutes and 13 seconds ago, saying: brb [Sun Apr 28 16:24:59 2002]

23:00:29 [Weekendophylax]

/nick Simpsophylax

23:00:35 [Weekendophylax]

Weekendophylax is now known as Simpsophylax

23:02:16 [rbm]

Simpsophylax: hey there

23:09:31 [Simpsophylax]

hey

23:10:17 [rbm]

I'm redying a new version of my wishlist. hang on.

23:10:26 [Simpsophylax]

ok

23:10:34 [rbm]

(can I use "redying" like that?)

23:11:04 [Simpsophylax]

no

23:11:08 [Simpsophylax]

Redoing

23:11:10 [Simpsophylax]

:)

23:11:28 [rbm]

okay.

23:11:33 [rbm]

paje: spank rbm

23:11:34 [paje]

rbm: what?

23:11:39 [rbm]

paje: insult rbm

23:11:40 [paje]

You are nothing but a puny ooze of reeky jizzum.

23:15:47 [rbm]

Simpsophylax: Do you still have the link for my wishlist?

23:15:59 [Simpsophylax]

yeah

23:16:24 [rbm]

Look at it again.

23:16:50 [Simpsophylax]

Why do you want a black case?

23:16:57 [rbm]

It comes out to the same $357 as yours, but with a cheaper mobo, a faster processor and a different video card

23:17:09 [rbm]

Oh, I meant to replace that case with the one you suggested

23:18:11 [Simpsophylax]

i think the reason I chose the GeForce2 GTS card was because it had faster RAM over the ATI

23:18:20 [Simpsophylax]

but if you think ATI will work better

23:18:27 [rbm]

Actually, I wanted that chieftec one but beige, because it's bigger than the altec one (I hate to cram things)

23:18:47 [rbm]

I try to stay from nvidia

23:18:53 [rbm]

s/stay/stay away/

23:18:57 [Simpsophylax]

ok

23:19:22 [Simpsophylax]

Also, the Antec case has an Antec P/S if I'm not mistaken

23:19:32 [Simpsophylax]

just double check and make sure it's on the AMD approved list

23:19:49 [rbm]

The chieftec is AMD approved. Your Antec one is not.

23:19:52 [rbm]

AFAICS

23:20:00 [Simpsophylax]

ok

23:20:31 [Simpsophylax]

But as brands go, I think Antec would make it to the list faster than Cheiftec's generic one

23:23:02 [rbm]

which list?

23:23:25 [rbm]

AMD approved?

23:23:42 [rbm]

I can't find an antec one that is AMD approved

23:25:01 [Simpsophylax]

they have the PP-412X one

23:25:32 [Simpsophylax]

either way

23:25:55 [rbm]

Is that in the midtower or full tower section?

23:26:11 [Simpsophylax]

Mid

23:26:43 [rbm]

got a link?

23:26:56 [rbm]

What do you think about the rest of the list?

23:26:58 [Simpsophylax]

top one

23:27:45 [rbm]

Where are you seeing this "PP-412X" model?

23:28:21 [Simpsophylax]

oh

23:28:21 [Simpsophylax]

lol

23:28:28 [rbm]

Okay. Antec in, Chieftec out. Now my list is $4 cheaper :)

23:28:30 [Simpsophylax]

that was on the AMD approved P/S

23:28:34 [Simpsophylax]

well

23:28:43 [Simpsophylax]

go with Chieftec if you see the P/S on the AMD approved

23:28:53 [Simpsophylax]

they're identical cases

23:30:57 [rbm]

now you tell me :)

23:31:15 [Simpsophylax]

I told you this last night :P

23:31:27 [Simpsophylax]

Antec == Chieftec == Chenming == (some) Enermax

23:31:47 [Simpsophylax]

only difference with them is what P/S they stick in there

23:32:52 [rbm]

look at this: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufactory&catalog=7&manufactory=1502&DEPA=1

23:33:06 [rbm]

This is a chieftec, same as the antec you showed, but without a PS.

23:33:35 [Simpsophylax]

yes

23:33:42 [Simpsophylax]

which was the case I originally suggested :)

23:34:03 [rbm]

Same case, but you suggested a different product with a P4 power supply.

23:34:17 [Simpsophylax]

I'm confused :)

23:34:25 [Simpsophylax]

Pick whichever one makes you happy

23:34:33 [Simpsophylax]

The case construction is identical

23:34:39 [rbm]

This is what you suggested: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=11-129-008

23:34:54 [Simpsophylax]

I suggested that in the wishlist

23:34:58 [rbm]

Yes.

23:35:05 [Simpsophylax]

In the chatlogs originally I pointed out that case :)

23:35:14 [rbm]

Oh, sorry then. I can't remember.

23:35:18 [rbm]

So which P/S should I get?

23:35:33 [Simpsophylax]

Depends on your budget

23:35:42 [Simpsophylax]

some high quality ones can go for 80$

23:35:45 [Simpsophylax]

or more

23:36:13 [rbm]

This case already has a case fan. Does that mean I only need 2 Sunon's?

23:36:18 [Simpsophylax]

yeah

23:37:03 [rbm]

So which P/S would you suggest for someone with not much of a budget?

23:37:18 [Simpsophylax]

Anything on the AMD approved list

23:37:49 [Simpsophylax]

oh

23:38:02 [Simpsophylax]

another reason I picked the Antec for the wishlist...It was in stock :)

23:38:28 [Simpsophylax]

Get the Sparkle one

23:38:29 [Simpsophylax]

45$

23:38:56 [Simpsophylax]

or

23:39:00 [Simpsophylax]

if you want to shave off 10$

23:39:13 [Simpsophylax]

go for the Enhance ENP-0735

23:40:06 [Simpsophylax]

Go for the Sparkle

23:40:08 [Simpsophylax]

good units

23:46:01 [rbm]

okay. It's there now

23:47:09 [Simpsophylax]

ok, I was looking at the 350W Sparkle but 300 would wokr

23:47:32 [Simpsophylax]

how much is shipping to Utah?

23:52:07 [Simpsophylax]

Roberto...did you get lost?

23:54:07 [rbm]

no. I'm here.

23:54:20 [rbm]

Simpsophylax: I have no idea about shipping. Didn't get that far.

23:54:26 [Simpsophylax]

lol

23:54:34 [rbm]

I didn't know if 350 was necessary or not

23:54:41 [Simpsophylax]

Also, I just checked the heatsink for you

23:54:52 [rbm]

You can see how much I have shopped for hardware lately

23:55:16 [Simpsophylax]

:)

23:55:43 [Simpsophylax]

The heatsink is approved by AMD for Duron 1100Mhz and an Athlon 1700XP

23:55:49 [Simpsophylax]

which doesn't make sense

23:56:09 [Simpsophylax]

since a 1700XP runs hotter than a 1200 Duron

23:56:31 [Simpsophylax]

1700XP runs at...1.47Ghz

23:58:49 [rbm]

Which heatsink is this?

23:59:15 [Simpsophylax]

The CoolerMaster DP5-6I31A

23:59:28 [Simpsophylax]

I also have a Vantec CCK-6035D but it's very noisy