IRC log of openacs on 2002-04-27

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00:00:02 [yzzyx]

!

00:00:31 [jim]

hands down, the better -documentor- is the history major

00:00:37 [yzzyx]

Do historians study algorithms?

00:00:48 [jim]

no, but they do study writing :)

00:01:24 [yzzyx]

OK, does studying English mean that you will grasp Swahili faster?

00:01:41 [yzzyx]

Different grammar, syntax...

00:01:51 [jim]

yzzyx: yes! because you will necessarily be studying parts of speech

00:01:54 [yzzyx]

World views.

00:02:26 [jim]

of course, if you study the grammars together, even faster

00:02:52 [yzzyx]

I'm trying to say that in learning a particular lang, does one see the meta-lang?

00:03:08 [jim]

depends on how you learn

00:03:14 [yzzyx]

I'd think you'd need to study archeo-langs.

00:03:32 [jim]

you mean like latin?

00:04:15 [yzzyx]

Well, from grunts to Sanskrit to Indo-European to ... to Modern.

00:04:45 [jim]

but the thing I'm trying to emphasize, is that all the skills of writing natural languages (organization, syntax, grammar, spelling, representing ideas) transfers to programming

00:05:14 [yzzyx]

As I recall, there are languages which don't have a grammar or organisation that we'd recognise.

00:05:21 [jim]

yzzyx: yes, agreed. that would help.

00:05:35 [jim]

yes, including pre-english

00:05:45 [yzzyx]

subject verb object forms don't apply to certain worldviews.

00:06:28 [yzzyx]

*Going out on a limb* - Chinese?

00:06:43 [jim]

I don't know chinese :)

00:06:58 [yzzyx]

Domo Arigato (Japanese)

00:07:04 [yzzyx]

Thank you.

00:07:07 [jim]

maybe one or two words at most :)

00:08:01 [jim]

I know more Japanese, and nowhere near enough to form or recognize a sentence

00:08:46 [yzzyx]

Going back, in general I'd say that it would be easier to teach a mathematician to comment and document than it would be to teach a historian to program.

00:09:18 [yzzyx]

What are you studying/have studied?

00:09:19 [jim]

again, depends on how the mathemitician and the historian studied

00:09:34 [yzzyx]

In general! :)

00:09:36 [jim]

music theory, programming mostly

00:10:12 [yzzyx]

Ah, do you play an instrument? Any particular styles?

00:10:37 [jim]

yzzyx: but it would be hard to teach the mathematician to organize :)

00:10:52 [jim]

yes, I play elec bass

00:11:00 [jim]

mostly jazz right now

00:11:17 [yzzyx]

I did a little theory at the behest of a flamenco/blues guitarist, not to mention being hassled by classical piano teachers.

00:11:26 [jim]

heh

00:11:37 [yzzyx]

I used to have a Warwick at one point.

00:11:45 [jim]

nice basses

00:11:52 [jim]

very nice in fact

00:12:06 [jim]

brb

00:12:11 [yzzyx]

ol

00:12:15 [yzzyx]

ok

00:14:52 [lilo]

[GlobalNotice] Hi all. We've just shut down a main rotation server provided by one of our corporate sponsors, which was experiencing severe packet loss. Please bear with us.

00:16:58 [jim]

I went and visited a fusion session player last year, and got a lot to study from him

00:17:36 [rbm]

Okay. My car broke down for the last time. I'm going to replace it with a newer one.

00:17:40 [rbm]

Any suggestions on reliable not-so-new cars (~96) with good mpg and reasonably low maintenance costs?

00:17:50 [yzzyx]

I sold all my instruments and amps.

00:18:07 [jim]

wow^2

00:18:29 [yzzyx]

I think jerry asher had comments about the cheapest way to buy used cars.

00:18:33 [jim]

rbm: VW maybe?

00:18:40 [yzzyx]

On OpenACS.

00:18:55 [rbm]

jim: In Brazil, nothing beats VW's. But how are they here in the U.S.?

00:19:11 [yzzyx]

Don't be a polluter. Get a recumbent bike.

00:19:55 [yzzyx]

Saabs have a good reputation.

00:20:02 [jim]

depends on if you can easily get parts (in less than 6 months)

00:21:19 [rbm]

yzzyx: I have to be able to get parts easily.

00:21:39 [rbm]

jim: That's the problem. DOes VW make cars in the U.S. or are they all imports?

00:21:50 [rbm]

VM is the biggest car manufacturer in Brazil (in fact, they were the first ones)

00:21:54 [yzzyx]

Er. I'm not in the U.S.

00:22:09 [jim]

umm, not sure... they used to be much more popular

00:22:35 [jim]

if you want -safe-, volvo is the way to go... but it's expensive to maintain

00:23:02 [yzzyx]

Whatever you do, don't get a Mini.

00:23:42 [yzzyx]

Very small crumple zone, if at all.

00:24:05 [rbm]

yzzyx: Oh, sorry.

00:24:35 [rbm]

jim: Yes, I heard about the volvos and I'd love the extra safety, but can't afford it.

00:24:38 [yzzyx]

rbm: no worries.

00:25:09 [yzzyx]

rbm: I'd recommend that you look at jerry's post.

00:25:11 [rbm]

Oh, you're in the UK.

00:25:23 [rbm]

That's nice. That's one part of Europe I'd like to visit.

00:26:02 [yzzyx]

It's no better than the rest, I'd say. Maybe even worse.

00:27:04 [yzzyx]

Certain cities are very cosmopolitan than other European ones.

00:27:12 [yzzyx]

s/very/more

00:27:43 [jim]

* jim is -not- happy with his provider

00:27:50 [jim]

blocked my ports

00:27:58 [yzzyx]

Why?

00:28:02 [jim]

dunno

00:28:26 [jim]

looks like 25 is open, 80 closed, 9000 closed...

00:28:35 [yzzyx]

Are they contravening T&Cs?

00:28:54 [jim]

I don't understand the question :)

00:29:30 [yzzyx]

Are they contravening terms and conditions.

00:29:59 [jim]

dunno

00:30:19 [yzzyx]

rbm: jerry's comment on used cars: http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0003xI&topic_id=OpenACS&topic=11

00:30:36 [jim]

as far as I'm concerned, internet access is internet access,,, if they want to block me, they are not providing me access.

00:30:38 [rbm]

yzzyx: Just found it.

00:30:50 [yzzyx]

:)

00:30:52 [rbm]

jim: attbi?

00:30:57 [jim]

yep

00:31:12 [rbm]

hmmm, didn't know they were blocking

00:31:16 [yzzyx]

jim: Squeeze them.

00:31:34 [rbm]

jim: You don't have any firewall foo going on?

00:31:43 [jim]

I'm strongly considering jumpping, I don't like the way they do business

00:32:01 [jim]

rbm: yes, I built it all myself

00:33:54 [jim]

wow, looks like they're blocking ALL my high ports

00:33:59 [yzzyx]

jim: What's your URL?

00:34:12 [jim]

12-233-225-152.client.attbi.com

00:34:14 [jim]

and

00:34:17 [yzzyx]

jim: There's no need for them to do tha.

00:34:19 [jim]

12-233-225-152.client.attbi.com:9000

00:35:36 [jim]

oh, sheesh, looks like it's not them

00:35:55 [jim]

I know what it is

00:36:10 [jim]

I was trying to back up, and I shut the service down

00:36:19 [yzzyx]

:)

00:36:20 [jim]

stupid me...

00:36:58 [yzzyx]

A learning experience :)

00:43:31 [jim]

in a minute or so, they should be up

00:43:49 [jim]

(them not blocking 25 really confused me...)

00:44:13 [yzzyx]

Will retry.

00:44:31 [jim]

one sec, I'll let ya know :)

00:44:42 [yzzyx]

yes it's there

00:44:46 [jim]

it's up

00:47:02 [jim]

rbm: ayhs?

00:52:01 [yzzyx]

jim: How did you come across [O]ACS?

00:52:05 [jim]

* jim hacks up an all-keys dir

00:52:23 [jim]

yzzyx: guy named John Cassady turned me on to it

00:52:39 [yzzyx]

And SICP?

00:52:54 [jim]

taught at the school I went to

00:53:27 [jim]

so I knew about that years before

00:53:50 [yzzyx]

Were/are you studying music w/ comp sci?

00:54:20 [jim]

not in an interdisciplinary manner

00:54:40 [jim]

however, I might take a class in the fall involving ProTools

00:55:25 [yzzyx]

So I'll ask you about Ex1.19 in six months *grin*

00:56:29 [jim]

well, I think I can figure it out much before :)

00:57:08 [yzzyx]

OK. How about Ex1.13?

00:57:33 [jim]

part of it involves (T (T (T ... (T listoftwofibs) ... )))

00:58:40 [jim]

the T takes a list of two fibs, (a b)

00:58:49 [yzzyx]

I've got the fib-transform squarer but the devil is in the details.

00:59:11 [jim]

yes

00:59:34 [jim]

pay attention to what the devil is in :)/

01:00:15 [jim]

that is the most general (and perhaps not directly helpful) advice I can give

01:00:48 [jim]

you using mit scheme?

01:00:52 [yzzyx]

i.e. Why isn't a <- bq+aq( -ap )?

01:01:13 [yzzyx]

Yes, I am.

01:01:36 [jim]

ok, that debugger thing can be of help

01:02:03 [rbm]

jim: I can get to it now

01:02:12 [yzzyx]

Yes, it's useful. Infinite loops!

01:02:41 [yzzyx]

Stress testing hware.

01:03:28 [jim]

yzzyx: it's the -sum- of something

01:04:44 [yzzyx]

I can see that it works by brute force, but I don't understand the elegance. Unfortunately I tend to stop when I hit problems like this.

01:05:08 [rbm]

jim: congrats.

01:05:47 [jim]

rbm: yes, /me congrats self for discovering need to start the web server :)

01:06:04 [yzzyx]

!applause

01:06:29 [jim]

rbm: pls look it over, can you see ways to use db? (no db stuff at all right now)

01:11:51 [yzzyx]

jim: Sorry to pester you. Only two more Qs.

01:11:55 [yzzyx]

jim: 1.23: Can't explain the fact that the observed ratio of the speeds of the two algorithms isn't 2. Memory overhead and garbage collection?

01:15:36 [yzzyx]

Jim: How is XFS?

01:16:13 [yzzyx]

performance wise?

01:16:47 [jim]

pretty good; I can't judge at the moment; last week located bad-ram as the cause of a lot of stability problems... waiting awhile to see how things go

01:18:11 [yzzyx]

I've given up on reiserfs and gone to ext3 for my Oracle machine.

01:19:23 [yzzyx]

Jim: Perhaps I could pose my SICP questions and give you or others time to reply.

01:19:51 [yzzyx]

I wish I had access to the MIT bboard.

01:20:14 [jim]

I'm running reiser on the web server machine (which is running pg and two aolservers atm)

01:20:39 [yzzyx]

Is XFS on your wkstation?

01:20:44 [jim]

yes

01:20:58 [jim]

which was where the ram problem was

01:21:06 [yzzyx]

What version(s) of AOLServer are you running?

01:21:42 [jim]

AOLserver/3.4.2

01:22:09 [jim]

I don't think I'm running any ad patches; can't remember now

01:23:56 [yzzyx]

I'm using the stock 3.3 + ad13 w/ SSL & VAT. I have to get some disks replaced so that I can play w/ the OACS.

01:25:21 [yzzyx]

I hear that Suns are 10 cents on the dollar in the US. Some nice servers are floating about in the dotcom aftermath.

01:26:26 [yzzyx]

Last SICP question *hooray*: 1.24: Can't explain discrepancy in Fermat test comparing primes near 1,000,000

01:26:26 [yzzyx]

to compare with the time needed to test primes near 1000. Again, could this

01:26:26 [yzzyx]

be due to memory overhead and garbage collection?

01:28:51 [jim]

well, they gave you a small problem with Fermat...

01:29:27 [jim]

i.e., they told you it was reliable most of the time except for a rare occurance; that might explain it

01:29:40 [jim]

or might help

01:30:11 [yzzyx]

hmmm.

01:32:34 [yzzyx]

So it's picking some false +ves?

01:33:14 [yzzyx]

Is that the only reason?

01:39:00 [yzzyx]

Out of interest, did you follow the text exclusively or did you use the course notes in addition?

01:39:28 [jim]

I'm using the aduni videos

01:39:39 [jim]

and their problem sets

01:39:46 [yzzyx]

Did you d/l them?

01:40:01 [yzzyx]

Or buy the HDD?

01:40:02 [jim]

nono, bought an HD from aduni

01:40:30 [yzzyx]

How good are they?

01:40:35 [jim]

very.

01:40:41 [jim]

Holly is excellent.

01:41:04 [yzzyx]

Right, I'm getting them first thing on Tuesday.

01:41:28 [jim]

cool :) someone have it out your way?

01:41:33 [yzzyx]

Hopefully, I might even teach SICP here.

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01:41:58 [yzzyx]

I don't know. I thought I'd have it shipped to me.

01:42:23 [yzzyx]

I will ask here tomorrow.

01:42:37 [jim]

he took his time in getting it to me... meanwhile, I streamed them from aduni...

01:42:47 [jim]

much better to have them local

01:43:10 [yzzyx]

Definitely. Then make numerous bkups.

01:43:29 [yzzyx]

You do have a bkup don't you?

01:43:36 [jim]

of course

01:43:49 [jim]

the drive itself is elsewhere; I use a copy of it

01:43:56 [yzzyx]

What was the make of the drive?

01:44:00 [jim]

maxtor

01:44:07 [jim]

but you can supply the drive

01:44:27 [jim]

perhaps by ordering it, and having it shipped to them

01:44:27 [yzzyx]

OK, I thought it may be WD. Those need bkups from my experience.

01:44:52 [jim]

yeah, I bought a WD 100g, and crossing my fingers :)

01:44:54 [yzzyx]

Maybe. I think I have a contact who may be returning to the UK soon.

01:45:34 [jim]

if he/she is on the east coast now, they could try to meet Chris

01:45:41 [yzzyx]

I now use SCSI exclusively. Well, SCA too, but they're the same.

01:45:58 [jim]

if west/SF bay area, I might be able to help

01:46:29 [yzzyx]

He's a friend of a friend who works for IBM.

01:46:43 [yzzyx]

I'll find out his location.

01:46:46 [jim]

in Calif? Silli Valley?

01:47:15 [yzzyx]

I have no idea where he is now. He was supposed to be back in the UK two months ago.

01:47:22 [jim]

oh...

01:47:36 [yzzyx]

With some Xeon mobos for me *sob*

01:50:30 [yzzyx]

Interesting, Flash is to get a nice XML tool to aid accessibility.

01:51:23 [yzzyx]

So the days of separate Flash/non-Flash sites is around the corner.

01:57:15 [yzzyx]

Well, I'd better get some sleep. Thanks for your help Jim.

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03:00:59 [davb]

hello

03:03:19 [davb]

* davb starts working on jim's cdrs

03:05:25 [jim]

cool :)

03:05:54 [davb]

i need a faster machine. mkisofs slows it way down

03:10:06 [barstool]

hey losers

03:10:10 [barstool]

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03:10:14 [davb]

hiya tali

03:10:24 [talli]

what's up this eve?

03:10:28 [jim]

* jim notes that some losers sit on barstools ;)

03:10:30 [talli]

work out the tclsoap stuff, davb ?

03:10:35 [talli]

touche

03:10:43 [davb]

wow, cdrecord is killing my machine too.

03:10:44 [davb]

ack.

03:10:50 [davb]

cdrs are not 16x speed.

03:10:51 [jim]

killing?

03:10:57 [talli]

davb: you gotta learn C!!!

03:11:00 [davb]

its going really slow

03:11:06 [davb]

talli: i will work it out.

03:11:10 [davb]

the tclsoap that is.

03:11:15 [talli]

that way you can write new modules for AOLserver rather than play with tcl crap

03:11:24 [davb]

it "works" the package require hack breaks aolserver for tcl pages.

03:11:35 [davb]

I fixed nsexpat.

03:11:40 [davb]

and I am looking at nsxml2

03:11:44 [davb]

what else...

03:12:00 [davb]

oh yeah that new idea for the email search and index thingy

03:13:06 [talli]

davb: you'd be a god with C!!!

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03:16:09 [talli]

davb: if vinod can learn C, so can you.

03:16:15 [talli]

i mean, he's just a friggin' MD!!!

03:16:23 [davb]

true.

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03:16:47 [jim]

doing home-study

03:16:52 [davb]

i saw in the log.

03:16:55 [davb]

I have to get going.

03:16:58 [jim]

going with the book qs

03:17:05 [jim]

ok

03:17:07 [davb]

I still think the math with help me.

03:17:46 [davb]

get my brain in a better mode. during the sussman lectures he is talking about representing math functions in scheme and my brain gets all stuck on the math part.

03:17:57 [davb]

thats in like the first 10 mins or so :)

03:20:45 [jim]

the next thing he does is show how you can take a scheme func that takes N things and returns 1 and swap it for another similar one

03:20:56 [davb]

nifty

03:20:56 [jim]

well, guessing ;)

03:21:16 [jim]

like, + and -

03:24:28 [davb]

* davb installs Zoe

03:25:39 [davb]

darn, doesn't seem to work in linux

03:35:16 [davb]

S: uses lucene to index the messages

03:35:18 [oacs-chump]

added comment S4

03:35:29 [davb]

S: written in Java, works best on OS X

03:35:29 [oacs-chump]

added comment S5

03:39:35 [davb]

more tomorrow

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!list

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list!

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13:31:49 [Weekendophylax]

Hey dave

14:20:58 [davb]

hi

14:39:01 [davb]

argh

14:39:07 [davb]

now the 4th cd is bad too.

14:39:27 [davb]

rbm: can you test your SICP 4A disc?

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14:41:33 [davb]

hi yzzyx

14:41:51 [yzzyx]

Hello

14:41:51 [paje]

niihau, yzzyx

14:42:29 [yzzyx]

paje: Are you from Hawaii

14:42:29 [paje]

OK, yzzyx.

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14:57:39 [Weekendophylax]

dave

14:57:50 [Weekendophylax]

waky waky

14:58:10 [davb]

hiya

14:58:16 [Weekendophylax]

sup d00d

14:58:24 [Weekendophylax]

You have sftp?

14:58:28 [davb]

* davb looks

14:58:38 [davb]

yes

14:58:43 [Weekendophylax]

ok

14:59:30 [davb]

pretty fast 200k/s or more.

14:59:43 [Weekendophylax]

ok

14:59:46 [Weekendophylax]

have fun then

14:59:52 [Weekendophylax]

I can send at a lot more :)

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15:12:02 [davb]

hi vinod

15:12:30 [Weekendophylax]

werd up V-man

15:12:48 [davb]

vinod: can you check the SICP CD #4a for me? mine seems to be not working.

15:13:46 [vinod]

hey guys

15:13:53 [vinod]

davb: sure - gimme a sec

15:14:07 [vinod]

* vinod wades through his disorganized pile of cds

15:14:27 [davb]

argh

15:14:34 [davb]

i made a copy, but it crashes realplayer.

15:14:51 [Weekendophylax]

What's the best way to keep long cat5 cables organized?

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15:21:36 [vinod]

davb: it just says "buffering" and then eats up CPU. if i fast-forward, it segfaults

15:27:52 [Weekendophylax]

Dave, how's the download coming along?

15:33:33 [davb]

oh excellent

15:33:39 [davb]

Weekendophylax: still going.

15:33:42 [davb]

no status bar.

15:33:42 [Weekendophylax]

lol

15:33:47 [Weekendophylax]

ok

15:33:51 [Weekendophylax]

well

15:36:18 [davb]

vinod: I have learned my lesson. no more cheap cdrs

15:36:52 [Weekendophylax]

Dave

15:36:59 [Weekendophylax]

I only buy Imation, Sony and TDK

15:37:13 [vinod]

davb: heh

15:37:17 [vinod]

no big deal

15:37:23 [Weekendophylax]

Stay away from Generic and the other one that starts with an M

15:37:26 [davb]

the ones I used were unbranded, really cheap ones.

15:37:31 [davb]

Memorex

15:37:31 [vinod]

it'll be a while before i get to lecture 4a anyway :-)

15:37:36 [davb]

heh

15:37:39 [Weekendophylax]

yup, memorex = crap

15:37:46 [Weekendophylax]

spend an extra 2$ for Imation

15:37:47 [davb]

Kodak, TDK are good. they own factories.

15:38:03 [vinod]

i just briefly tested the other lectures and they all work except 4a and 5b

15:38:25 [davb]

thanks. that is good. I am making extra copies onto 100 year Kodaks now :)

15:39:03 [vinod]

100 years should be enough for me to get through em all

15:39:18 [davb]

I wonder if there is a way to fix or edit a .ram file

15:39:28 [Weekendophylax]

I think that 100 years is only theoretical in perfect conditions

15:39:38 [Weekendophylax]

I doubt it would last a month in direct sunlight

15:40:05 [vinod]

that's ok - we programmers work in dungeon conditions

15:40:21 [Weekendophylax]

i know

15:43:13 [davb]

no these have a layer on top. if you put it upside down, it will not last long.

15:43:43 [davb]

but I am sure they are exaggerating :)

15:47:50 [Weekendophylax]

anyone ever play Citizen Kabuto?

15:49:54 [vinod]

nope

15:50:17 [rbm]

ooom

15:50:29 [vinod]

hey rbm

15:50:33 [rbm]

hey vinod

15:50:49 [vinod]

sent your pen-pointer in the mail today - should be there in a week or so

15:50:55 [rbm]

davb is burning the aD lectures again?

15:51:07 [rbm]

vinod: Thanks a bunch. I love that little pen :)

15:51:22 [vinod]

rbm: np - i understand why - it's pretty cool

15:51:37 [rbm]

sighs. I've been getting more and more spam lately.

15:52:04 [rbm]

I need to add some procmail rules that forward any mail not addressed to me to a "spam" file

15:52:31 [rbm]

Ack! I'm still behind oacs mail

15:52:50 [rbm]

Looks like I'll be even more behind with finals week ahead :(

15:53:17 [Weekendophylax]

3heh

15:53:20 [Weekendophylax]

Do your work!

15:53:26 [Weekendophylax]

* Weekendophylax sets mode +b rbm

15:55:15 [rbm]

what's +b?

15:56:24 [Weekendophylax]

ban

15:56:48 [davb]

rbm: shhhhhhh :)

15:58:05 [davb]

vinod: i think the linux realplayer sucks.

15:58:18 [davb]

I am playing 4A all the way through on a windows machine to see it it will work.

15:58:57 [vinod]

davb: ahhh - i was wondering if that might be it, too

15:59:08 [vinod]

i can check on the mac side, later today

15:59:43 [davb]

cool. thanks

15:59:45 [rbm]

davb: Are you burning the same set of lectures you burned for me?

15:59:52 [davb]

rbm: yes

15:59:54 [rbm]

I read that jim has the whole HD with everything.

16:00:05 [davb]

that has everything except these :)

16:00:14 [rbm]

I made a goal of going through those lectures this summer

16:00:19 [davb]

I am amking them for jim

16:00:45 [rbm]

ah, okay.

16:01:56 [davb]

rbm: can you test 4A?

16:04:42 [rbm]

davb: Probably. Let me find the CD

16:08:30 [rbm]

works here

16:09:19 [davb]

can you fast forward towards the end?

16:10:14 [rbm]

how far?

16:10:57 [davb]

any random amount should be fine.

16:11:44 [davb]

thanks, btw :)

16:11:52 [Weekendophylax]

Dave, still downloading?

16:12:04 [davb]

Weekendophylax: yeah. man, my connection is slow.

16:12:06 [davb]

sorry

16:12:14 [rbm]

davb: It works fine all the way to the end

16:12:18 [davb]

cool.

16:12:53 [davb]

my copy I made t the windows machine, seems to work. I will make another copy for vinod if he needs it.

16:13:08 [Weekendophylax]

I don't care

16:15:49 [davb]

ok :)

16:20:14 [rbm]

* rbm discovers igal and thinks that this will be better than using photo-album

16:20:45 [rbm]

http://www.stanford.edu/~epop/igal/

16:20:46 [oacs-chump]

A: http://www.stanford.edu/~epop/igal/ from rbm

16:20:58 [rbm]

A:|igal - Image Gallery Generator

16:20:58 [oacs-chump]

titled item A

16:34:38 [rbm]

* rbm runs Mozilla 1.0rc1

16:53:40 [Weekendophylax]

Dave?

16:53:40 [paje]

hmmm... Dave is back

16:53:45 [Weekendophylax]

cool

16:53:48 [Weekendophylax]

Dave?

16:53:48 [paje]

somebody said Dave was back

16:53:51 [Weekendophylax]

No

16:53:55 [Weekendophylax]

Shut up paje

16:54:24 [davb]

hello

16:55:03 [davb]

Weekendophylax: yes?

16:55:29 [Weekendophylax]

still downloading?

16:55:32 [davb]

yeah

16:56:51 [Weekendophylax]

just checking :-/

16:58:58 [vinod]

vinod has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))

16:58:59 [davb]

hey its done

17:00:10 [Weekendophylax]

cool

17:00:16 [Weekendophylax]

You know how to burn bin/cue images?

17:00:48 [davb]

looks like I am about to learn :)

17:01:20 [Weekendophylax]

heh

17:01:28 [Weekendophylax]

are you in winderz?

17:03:03 [davb]

nope.

17:03:17 [Weekendophylax]

well

17:03:29 [Weekendophylax]

I don't know a *nix solution that can burn bin/cue files

17:03:56 [rbm]

what's a cue file?

17:03:58 [davb]

i found it/ thanks :)

17:04:16 [davb]

http://hes.iki.fi/bchunk/

17:04:16 [oacs-chump]

B: http://hes.iki.fi/bchunk/ from davb

17:04:22 [davb]

B:|Binchunker for Unix

17:04:22 [oacs-chump]

titled item B

17:05:00 [Weekendophylax]

cue is a control file on how to burn the bin file

17:05:33 [davb]

ah. debian package

17:05:47 [davb]

I love debian.

17:06:33 [Weekendophylax]

:)

17:06:55 [davb]

B: debian package is called bchunk

17:06:55 [oacs-chump]

added comment B1

17:07:54 [davb]

B: converts bin/cue to iso

17:07:54 [oacs-chump]

added comment B2

17:18:02 [Weekendophylax]

burn it yet?

17:20:32 [davb]

its going.

17:20:46 [davb]

what is the syntax for block comments in tcl? i think its the same as C

17:20:53 [davb]

oh done.

17:21:11 [rbm]

http://www-1.ibm.com/linux/linuxline/apr02/partnernews.shtml

17:21:11 [oacs-chump]

C: http://www-1.ibm.com/linux/linuxline/apr02/partnernews.shtml from rbm

17:21:22 [davb]

hmmm. all the filenames are foo~1

17:21:28 [Weekendophylax]

3?

17:21:44 [rbm]

C:|Full Exchange functionality with Outlook clients, without MS Exchange. On Unix.

17:21:44 [oacs-chump]

titled item C

17:21:46 [rbm]

C: Very clever.

17:21:46 [oacs-chump]

added comment C1

17:21:50 [davb]

think I need to use joliet

17:22:09 [davb]

i'll test it in the windows machine

17:22:21 [Weekendophylax]

:)

17:23:22 [davb]

is it /** or something like that?

17:23:51 [davb]

Weekendophylax: spiffy. it works good.

17:24:12 [Weekendophylax]

:)

17:24:26 [Weekendophylax]

share the wealth

17:26:10 [davb]

800 mb left on my hard drive.

17:27:33 [davb]

hmmm. my emacs is not in color. no syntax highlighting in color for tcl files.

17:29:20 [davb]

how can I tell what mode I am in?

17:29:45 [davb]

ah. its not loading tcl mode.

17:29:47 [davb]

hmmm

17:29:51 [Weekendophylax]

it should say it underneath

17:30:02 [davb]

it says fundamental. M-x tcl-mode works.

17:38:00 [davb]

ok. why aren't my modes working automatically?

17:39:41 [davb]

tada

17:39:58 [davb]

I had something in the psqml mode section that reset all the auto modes. oops.

17:49:59 [davb]

any emacs tricks for putting # is front of a selected block of text?

18:01:42 [davb]

argh. i hate Roadrunner

18:01:58 [davb]

can anyone get to ww.deepskydesign.com or is it just my ISP?

18:04:09 [davb]

ohhhhh. they suck

18:04:42 [davb]

i wonder how many people think I am out of business because my ISP sucks.

18:15:02 [shagster]

davb, get a better ISP :)

18:30:09 [Weekendophylax]

still more to clean

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19:19:27 [davb]

shagster: out here, the is no other option.

19:19:41 [davb]

anyway. if my customer's have a crappy isp, they can't find my web site either.

19:19:42 [davb]

:)

19:20:44 [davb]

actually I probably need to get a real colocated box one of these days instead of a server under my desk hooked up to the cable modem :)

19:23:07 [davb]

oops, ran out of cdrs

19:25:04 [davb]

aha. _one_ of their name servers has the wrong info.

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20:34:02 [yzzyx]

paje

20:34:02 [paje]

yes, yzzyx?

20:34:09 [yzzyx]

paje, again!

20:34:09 [paje]

* paje spanks talli

20:34:30 [yzzyx]

sorry

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22:23:01 [Weekendophylax]

whoa

22:23:08 [Weekendophylax]

paje spanked talli and I missed that?!

22:23:08 [paje]

Weekendophylax: sorry...

22:23:31 [yzzyx]

I was messing around.

22:24:52 [Weekendophylax]

hehe

22:35:10 [jim]

emacs as an x window? or in a term?

22:36:04 [yzzyx]

jim: Who're you talking to?

22:36:34 [jim]

umm,,, who wanted to know about commenting out a block of tcl code?

22:37:53 [yzzyx]

davb I think

22:38:12 [jim]

one way,

22:38:23 [jim]

C-x (

22:38:29 [jim]

C-a

22:38:51 [yzzyx]

macro

22:38:52 [jim]

C-a

22:39:05 [jim]

C-n

22:39:12 [jim]

C-x )

22:39:46 [jim]

that comments one line and moves to the next

22:40:20 [jim]

then C-x e for as many more lines as you want

22:41:06 [yzzyx]

Can't you select a block and after commenting the first line, use ESC-Q?

22:41:23 [yzzyx]

to comment the entire block

22:41:42 [jim]

maybe :) I didn't know that one :)

22:42:56 [yzzyx]

It's a paragraph formatting thing. I think that you may need to have blank lines above and below your block, to delimit it.

22:43:17 [yzzyx]

s/paragraph/width

22:43:54 [jim]

perhaps both of these are independent of mode...

22:45:46 [jim]

if you're in tcl mode, and your emacs is in an x window, then you have a TCL menu near the top right. Select the block of text you want to comment, then pick Comment Region from the TCL menu

22:46:49 [yzzyx]

Can you select the menu using keybd shortcuts?

22:46:57 [jim]

maybe

22:47:08 [jim]

maybe it's F10

22:48:23 [jim]

but you can also just run the function by name... M-x comment-region I think

22:54:18 [yzzyx]

good night

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23:33:12 [rzolf]

has markd2 been around.

23:33:18 [rzolf]

paje: seen markd2

23:33:19 [paje]

markd2 was last seen on #openacs 1 days, 3 hours, 33 minutes and 53 seconds ago, saying: paje seen rzolf? [Fri Apr 26 14:00:06 2002]

23:33:31 [rzolf]

whoa.

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