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03:12:12 <Tuesdayphylax> werd
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04:29:04 <rbm|Boston> * rbm|Boston moos from Vinod's place with davb
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04:35:43 <rbm|Boston> hey aaron
04:35:47 <rbm|Boston> you there?
04:35:50 <AaronSw> rbm!
04:35:57 <rbm|Boston> AARON!
04:36:06 <AaronSw> * AaronSw waves
04:36:08 <AaronSw> crazy day
04:36:11 <rbm|Boston> Me and Dave are "crashing" at vinod's place
04:36:19 <AaronSw> Cool, how was the social?
04:36:31 <rbm|Boston> It was awesome. We left at 11 something
04:36:50 <rbm|Boston> are you going to visit us poor mortals at #openacs more often from now on?
04:36:50 <AaronSw> .time est
04:36:59 <AaronSw> Heh, heh. maybe
04:39:08 <rbm|Boston> * rbm|Boston goes to bed.
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08:30:48 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] Hi all.  We're going to need to do some major rehubbing atm, please bear with us.
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08:43:44 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] We experienced a loss of communication with the new rotation server being tested under load, about 400 users have, uh, momentarily been misplaced.  We're about to move one main rotation server, so there should be a bit of noise, after which this should be finished.  Thanks.
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08:51:08 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] Okay.  The previously-announced routing changes have been made.  Only one more remaining issue and users on that server will be notified.  Thanks.
08:51:59 <lilo> [ServerNotice] If you're receiving this message, you are on a server which has been removed from rotation because the sponsor is experiencing bandwidth overage for the month.  Please consider helping us out by reconnecting to irc.openprojects.net.  Thanks!
08:54:41 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] And, finally, one more announcement.  OPN is rather desperately in need of new main rotation servers.  High bandwidth, good connectivity, low latency.  If you think you can help, take a look at http://openprojects.net/sponsoring_servers.shtml and email us at support@openprojects.net .  We really do need your help, it's a pretty critical juncture for us.  Thanks.
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09:00:36 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] Hi all.  Please bear with us, a few more routing problems.
11:08:53 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] Hi all.  We're going to try one more time to do some rerouting before things get too busy.  Please bear with us.
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11:19:39 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] Hi again all.  We'll wait for this new configuration to stabilize, and if it looks good we should be finished rerouting.  Thank you again for your patience, and apologies to Europe for this untimely, but needed, rerouting.
13:02:57 <til> topic
13:03:01 <til> heh
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13:45:12 <markd2> wow.  someone functional the morning after an orgy^H^H^H^H social
13:45:49 <talli> hey markd2
14:01:33 <AaronSw> hey talli
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14:02:09 <markd2> heh
14:02:21 <markd2> gotta admit he's got good reflexes
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14:46:42 <davb> hello
14:50:21 <til> hi
14:50:22 <paje> bonjour, til
14:50:42 <til> qu'esce que tu veu, paje?
14:50:43 <paje> til: i'm not following you...
14:51:06 <til> paje: thats wise
14:51:06 <paje> til: excuse me?
14:51:14 <til> sure
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15:16:19 <rbm|Boston> davb?!?!?!
15:16:20 <paje> davb is akk ut tajes
15:16:42 <davb> hi
15:16:43 <paje> niihau, davb
15:16:46 <davb> hi rbm|Boston
15:16:48 <rbm|Boston> paje: what's the problem?
15:16:49 <paje> rumour has it the problem is dotlrn, at least according to don, will fix alot of missing pieces in OpenACS
15:17:14 <davb> * davb is back at work
15:17:31 <rbm|Boston> davb: you're fast!
15:17:42 <rbm|Boston> I'm still at Vinod's place. We woke up a little while ago
15:18:33 <davb> Cool. I got home about 9:30.
15:25:00 <rbm|Boston> nice
15:29:16 <rbm|Boston> * rbm|Boston laves
15:29:29 <rbm|Boston> s/laves/leaves/
15:34:31 <davb> bye
15:39:40 <Wednesdayphylax> heh
15:40:09 <davb> hi Wednesdayphylax
15:40:21 <Wednesdayphylax> hey
15:40:27 <Wednesdayphylax> You guys got roudy last night?
15:42:00 <davb> define rowdy
15:42:01 <davb> :)
15:42:32 <Wednesdayphylax> Naked strippers, booze and OpenACS papers shtroon all over the place?
15:43:12 <davb> heh, no paper. all the other nerds had palm pilots except me.
15:43:22 <Wednesdayphylax> rofl
15:43:35 <davb> I need to buy that samsung phone/pda thing to catch up.
15:50:16 <Wednesdayphylax> * Wednesdayphylax pictures MarkD getting a lap dance from a local stripper while stuffing cookies in his mouth and attempting to "pencil it in" on his palm pilot
15:50:17 <davb> http://www.keenmacpubs.com/home.htm
15:50:20 <oacs-chump> A: http://www.keenmacpubs.com/home.htm from davb
15:50:38 <davb> A:|Get an Irish Pub for your Garden
15:50:39 <oacs-chump> titled item A
16:03:54 <davb> ah. NSSoap uses TclSOAP 1.2, an old version that doesn't use tcllib.
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16:25:46 <davb> hi denshi
16:27:45 <denshi> howdy.  were you at the social?
16:27:51 <davb> yes.
16:28:01 <davb> it was alot of fun. 
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16:49:38 <markd2> paje, seen vinod?
16:49:38 <paje> vinod was last seen on #openacs 5 days, 21 minutes and 47 seconds ago, saying: ouch. "Does that hurt? .... Yes.... Don't do that!" [Fri Apr 19 10:28:31 2002]
16:52:00 <denshi> markd2, seen vinod?
16:52:25 <denshi> davb?  loincloths?
16:53:35 <markd2> pirate hats!
17:01:23 <davb> not quite
17:16:31 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] Hi all.  Just a reminder.  OPN is running seriously short on major servers, both leaf nodes and hubs.  We generally look for T3 or better, multihomed.  Actual usage for hubs runs about 35Kbps (11GB/month or so) and for major leaf nodes, 3-6 times that amount.  If you would like to help this community project by sponsoring a server, please take a look at http://openprojects.net/sponsoring_servers.shtml & email support@openprojects.net. Thanks!
17:18:25 <denshi> markd2, your blog isn't pushing the funny envelope recently.
17:18:31 <denshi> you must be working too hard.
17:18:47 <markd2> apologie
17:18:49 <markd2> s
17:18:55 <markd2> my way of testing the market demographic
17:20:30 <davb> A:
17:20:30 <oacs-chump> http://www.keenmacpubs.com/home.htm
17:20:31 <oacs-chump> Get an Irish Pub for your Garden
17:21:47 <davb> to hold you over until markd2 gets his act together
17:22:54 <denshi> heh
17:26:17 <denshi> markd2, what do you plan on developing via borkware?  what app space?
17:32:30 <markd2> useful utilities, small applications
17:34:05 <markd2> and using that as a mechanism to braoden my knowledge of the platform so I can contract effectively, and/or find a shrinkwrap house to work for
17:36:08 <markd2> but in the meantime I want borkware to be a fun, eclectic place
17:43:15 <denshi> neat.
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17:56:03 <Wednesdayphylax> heh
17:56:06 <Wednesdayphylax> Mark where's your blog
17:56:10 <Wednesdayphylax> I need something funny to read
17:58:33 <Wednesdayphylax> And what the hell is a domokun?
18:25:34 <markd2> my blog is at http://badgertronics.com/blog
18:25:44 <markd2> go to the 'whole damn thing' page, and seach for domo
18:25:51 <markd2> there's a link there to a 100 meg quicktime movie
18:25:53 <markd2> all will become clear
18:26:18 <Wednesdayphylax> LOL
18:28:30 <rbm|Boston> hey markd2. We saw you're a published author now. Congrat!
18:32:35 <markd2> thanks!
18:32:55 <markd2> I can now join the respected ranks of authors, and uh, journalists, and uh, the National Enquirer
18:36:29 <rbm|Boston> :)
18:40:14 <AaronSw> You went to Big Nerd Ranch?!
18:40:20 <markd2> yep
18:40:28 <AaronSw> That's the second person I know...
18:40:35 <AaronSw> I should get in for free -- my name is Aaron too!
18:40:40 <markd2> heh
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18:44:46 <talli> hey guys
18:44:56 <markd2> yö
18:45:11 <talli> how goes the world of #openacs?
18:45:25 <talli> who shot who? who's sleeping with who? where's the beef?
18:46:00 <davb> hiya talli
18:46:26 <talli> davb!
18:46:32 <talli> yo! you made it back ok, i guess?
18:46:52 <davb> yes. 
18:47:18 <talli> excellent
18:47:23 <talli> it was great meeting you last night
18:47:38 <talli> i was sorry i wasn't able to sit and chat with you, vinod and rbm more
18:49:33 <davb> np. it was great to meet everyone.
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19:08:04 <denshi> paje, again!
19:08:05 <paje> * paje spanks talli
19:08:08 <talilee> hey davb, when i try a search on the irc blog, i get an error message
19:08:12 <talilee> those are always so nice
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19:09:09 <AaronSw> bad talli
19:09:18 <talilee> yo AaronSw
19:09:24 <talilee> sorry i wasn't able to make it yesterday
19:09:24 <AaronSw> hey there
19:09:44 <talilee> i had to wake up way early in the morning nad make two meetings across bsoton before lunch
19:09:53 <talilee> so i had to crash before the social
19:10:10 <talilee> i heard your presentation was great, though
19:10:15 <talilee> sorry i missed it
19:10:18 <talilee> was it taped by any chance?
19:10:31 <AaronSw> i totally forgot about it. i'm so upset with myself
19:10:41 <AaronSw> as are several other people (cough)
19:10:43 <talilee> bummer. oh well... next time
19:11:13 <talilee> btw...
19:11:20 <talilee> http://www.museatech.net/faq/momentum
19:11:20 <oacs-chump> B: http://www.museatech.net/faq/momentum from talilee
19:11:26 <talilee> B: Initial Momentum FAQ
19:11:26 <oacs-chump> added comment B1
19:12:47 <denshi> talilee, that's a 404.
19:13:04 <talilee> talilee is now known as talli
19:13:24 <talli> probably momentuary
19:17:37 <AaronSw> BTW, I went over to 59 Temple Place yesterday
19:18:40 <jim> did you find piles of GPLs there? :)
19:18:41 <talli> oh yeah? cool
19:18:43 <talli> when were you there?
19:19:03 <AaronSw> in the afternoon
19:19:09 <AaronSw> I was surprised, no GPLs!
19:19:10 <denshi> jim!
19:19:15 <AaronSw> I guess they must print them on the fly.
19:19:25 <jim> heya denshi
19:19:25 <talli> i think bradley was gone then
19:19:34 <talli> he went to Grand Rapids, or at least was goign to
19:19:42 <AaronSw> Yeah, that's what they said
19:20:06 <denshi> jim: what's new?  Have you looked at apache2?
19:20:21 <jim> denshi: no, sure haven't... is it any good?
19:20:58 <denshi> afaik it is.  I guess then you couldn't clue me about mod_perl on apache2 (...seeing as you know the perl internals better than I)
19:21:55 <denshi> lots of the mod_ groups are falling all over themselves trying to tie into threads and not doing too well.
19:22:03 <jim> I used to know the perl internals well... but the guy I learned most of the stuff from is here sometimes, Brandon O'Dea... nick: bod
19:22:51 <denshi> what's he written?
19:23:39 <jim> he maintains the packages of perl for debian... he totally revamped perl when going from 5.005.03 to 5.6
19:24:26 <jim> well, revamped the packages... and wrote a policy document stating how to package perl modules
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19:25:53 <denshi> big jump.... speaking of big jumps, did you notice that perl had its interpreter threads system totally ripped out and replaced between 5.6 and 5.8?  I find that pretty awful.
19:26:37 <jim> no, haven't been following perl devel lately; I'm begrudgingly settling for tcl :)
19:26:46 <jim> (for -now- :)
19:28:02 <denshi> I've only been noticing it for the good of some old projects I did once.  Most of my nerd time involves LISP, at least recently.
19:28:50 <jim> I guess I should look at 5.8 and see what they're doing
19:29:33 <denshi> * denshi says "eh"
19:30:04 <jim> well, to see how the api differs
19:30:13 <denshi> I'll be surprised if Perl creates a new pronoun in the future that makes me use Perl again.
19:31:31 <jim> obviously lisp or scheme would work too; is there an ns_scheme or mod_scheme?
19:32:28 <denshi> there's mod_lisp, which is basically FastCGI with a funny name.  I think there's a mod_scheme of some type, probably using Guile.
19:32:46 <denshi> you could probably write ns_scheme with Guile fairly easily, I wager.
19:33:59 <jim> so, good scripting languages are out there :)
19:34:45 <rbm|Boston> I hear Perl 6 takes ugly to the max
19:35:05 <jim> and it doesn't even exist yet :) (or does it?)
19:35:23 <denshi> it's not even close to existing.
19:35:24 <jim> shows you how much I've been following)
19:36:07 <denshi> Larry Wall is still writing enormously opaque design documents about whether he should take the red pill or the blue pill.
19:36:11 <jim> but I got a lot done on my key signature drill :)
19:36:52 <jim> the site?
19:36:52 <paje> well, the site is http://12-233-225-152.client.attbi.com/key-signatures/
19:37:01 <jim> forget the site
19:37:01 <paje> jim: I forgot site
19:37:39 <jim> jazz improv site is http://12-233-225-152.client.attbi.com/
19:37:47 <jim> jazz improv site
19:37:47 <paje> rumour has it jazz improv site is http://12-233-225-152.client.attbi.com/
19:38:03 <jim> http://12-233-225-152.client.attbi.com/
19:38:03 <oacs-chump> C: http://12-233-225-152.client.attbi.com/ from jim
19:38:57 <jim> C:|Jazz Improvisation and Theory site
19:38:58 <oacs-chump> titled item C
19:40:55 <jim> bbiaw: coffee n stuff :)
19:41:53 <jim> (would greatly appreciate critical comments on the site, both designwise and how it works and is arranged)
19:46:34 <rbm|Boston> * rbm|Boston goes to the airport
19:47:07 <Wednesdayphylax> Have a safe flight
19:56:32 <davb> either I did something else stupid, or i found a patch for aolserver that lets tclsoap work from a tcl page.
19:56:51 <davb> nope, nm :)
19:58:01 <Wednesdayphylax> I'll take option 1
19:58:06 <Wednesdayphylax> You did something stupid
19:58:06 <Wednesdayphylax> :)
19:58:34 <davb> Wednesdayphylax wins again!
19:59:06 <Wednesdayphylax> What did I win?!
19:59:25 <davb> uhh...
20:04:47 <denshi> * denshi gives Wednesdayphylax a prize cookie.
20:06:59 <Wednesdayphylax> wooohooo
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22:36:17 <jim> there :) I finished my major key drill :)
22:36:58 <jim> well, what I had planned of it
22:37:50 <til> * til congrats jim
22:38:06 <jim> thanks :)
22:46:25 <til> oh, it crashed opera
22:48:05 <til> propably not your fault, the beta of opera that i have crashes quite often
22:49:48 <til> hmm, crashed again
22:50:22 <til> maybe the long url's are a problem - i saw that you put a lot into url variables
22:55:15 <jim> til: yes, very long; I was hoping that wouldn't be a problem...
22:56:35 <til> iirc there's a 255 character limit
22:56:58 <til> although some clients will still work when the url is longer
22:56:59 <jim> wonder if I exceeded that
22:57:08 <til> opera is standards compliant and crashes ;)
22:58:18 <jim> * jim thinks he's ready to pass this thing out
22:58:40 <jim> I'll have to figure out something for the urls
22:59:28 <til> why don't you put for example the questions in the database?
22:59:49 <jim> the questions are randomized
23:00:04 <jim> and they are generated randomly on the fly
23:00:45 <til> i don't understand this 100% but maybe ad_set_client_property could be of help
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23:07:43 <jim> * jim makes some minor editing changes
23:10:16 <til> it doesn't crash reliably on specific urls
23:13:10 <Wednesdayphylax> anyone awake?
23:13:10 <jim> ok
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23:13:10 <til> there must be a way to write this without putting all this stuff into the url
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23:19:41 <Wednesdayphylax> paje, I need a new license plate
23:19:41 <paje> Wednesdayphylax: huh?
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