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Thanks much! 13:42:31 barstool has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:42:57 barstool (~talli@xd84b5c59.ip.ggn.net) has joined #openacs 14:27:05 talli (~talli@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 16:00:44 hi 16:09:39 yzzyx (~bogus@213-48-250-217.cro.cvx.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #openacs 16:10:59 ah 16:11:04 * davb learns more about tclsoap 16:11:13 yzzyx has left #openacs 16:52:00 denshi (toddg@linux45.ma.utexas.edu) has joined #openacs 17:01:51 hey davb 17:02:20 have you mastered tclsoap yet? 17:18:37 denshi has quit ("denshi has no reason") 17:27:01 denshi: works great in tclsh 17:27:15 now I am tackleing package require in AOLserver :) 17:27:33 its looking in /usr/local/lib/tcl8.3 instead of /usr/lib/tcl8.3 17:28:41 I am not sure why it thinks the tcl directory is under /usr/liocal 17:28:58 * davb wonders if rbm is around 17:29:39 hardcoding the corret dir seems to work 17:35:08 excellent. works fine in aolserver with no extra C modules. 17:35:27 but I want to build an aolserver specific transport I think. 17:44:50 oh well, he'll be back 17:51:21 denshi (toddg@linux45.ma.utexas.edu) has joined #openacs 17:51:36 hey guys 17:52:44 howdy 18:17:43 markd2 (~Snak@h166-102-041-028.ip.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 18:18:49 denshi has quit ("Hey! Where'd my controlling terminal go?") 18:57:38 markd2 has quit ("wheeeee") 20:05:05 hi talli 20:05:45 hi everybody 20:05:54 hiya til 20:06:43 so how is it going with package require, davb? any success stories? 20:06:59 yes. 20:07:00 last time i tried there were some troubles with namespaces 20:07:23 there is a patch for namespace tcl somewhere if I recall correctly. 20:07:35 but I think it was fixed in one of the aolservers :) 20:08:04 package require works in ADP pages, not tcl. tclPkgPath is not defined in the tcl interpreters for tcl pages, but it is for adp pages. 20:08:20 cool (sort of), too bad its hard to upgrade from a running aolserver version 20:08:54 I will look around for that namespace patch. I know it was on the aolserver list a while back. 20:09:15 ugh, that sounds messy (that it's only available in .adp) 20:09:49 well if you know your path you can do it. i had to hardcode it in anyway because tclPkgPath returns the wrong dir anyway. 20:11:04 i'll have to test in aolserver 4 one of these days. it shouldn't be hard to fix. 20:11:10 so if i understand correctly: tclPkgPath is one problem, and namespaces another one (solved by a patch)? 20:11:30 yes. 20:12:18 http://www.panoptic.com/wiki/aolserver/48.html 20:12:34 http://www.panoptic.com/wiki/aolserver/48.html 20:12:35 A: http://www.panoptic.com/wiki/aolserver/48.html from davb 20:12:43 A:|AOLserver FAQ at the AOLserver wiki 20:12:44 titled item A 20:12:54 A: includes package require hack at the bottom of the page. 20:12:55 added comment A1 20:13:14 basically, you need to source init.tcl in the page before doing package require. 20:13:46 i see 20:15:06 tclSOAP, I think, is using the tcl dom parser which might be too slow. the C version can be loaded as an aolserver module. 20:16:45 argh. no it still doesn't work in tcl pages. 20:17:15 I wish I had saved the code, I had it working a while ago. 20:17:21 :-( 20:22:04 Spendophylax has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:41:33 ok, so should I make an OpenACS package that provides SOAP/XMLRPC? I am imagining some sort of acs-service contract thingy. 20:48:15 aha, here is the answer for tcl pages, but its pretty icky. 20:48:17 http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0003IW&topic_id=OpenACS&topic=11 20:48:18 B: http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0003IW&topic_id=OpenACS&topic=11 from davb 20:48:29 B:|Thread on getting "package require" working in tcl pages 20:48:30 titled item B 20:48:55 basically, aolserver is leaving out the environment stuff when it sets up a tcl interpreter 20:54:55 cool, it works 20:55:29 argh, it almost works. 20:56:41 darn. 20:57:05 it uses tcllib, which is creating some global variables, which are conflicting with themselves. 20:57:47 but only in the tcl page. 21:03:28 hmm 21:05:24 apparently something in the tcl page interpreter does not like what tcllib is doing. 21:06:44 variable "errorCode" already exists 21:06:44 while executing 21:06:44 "global errorCode errorInfo" 21:06:44 (procedure "ns_sourceproc" line 13) 21:06:44 invoked from within 21:06:45 "ns_sourceproc cns14 {}" 21:08:18 seems like the adp is clearing out the global variables after runing, but the tcl one is not. 21:08:55 but.... the hack to make package require work in tcl pages has a bunch of globals... 21:10:55 aha. ns_sourceproc cns* is incrementing by 1 each time. 21:11:11 the interesting this is, the adp pag ethe does not fail, also increments it by one. 21:12:40 I think it has to do with aolserver and tcllib using errorCode as a global variable. 21:13:49 hmmmm 21:17:12 * til figures this stuff is way above his mental capabilities today 21:23:35 heh 21:23:37 me too. 21:30:07 oom 21:31:20 hi rbm 21:31:49 I got package require working in tcl pages. except now I have another problem with tclSOAP :) 21:34:31 hey davb 21:35:29 what problem? 21:35:29 problem is dotlrn, at least according to don, will fix alot of missing pieces in OpenACS. 21:36:32 paje: botsnack 21:36:33 thanks rbm :) 21:38:55 tclSOAP uses tcllib which is declaring errorCode as a global variable. ns_sourceproc which actually runs the page tries to define errorCode as a global, and causes a conflict. I am not sure why the adp version doesn't have this problem. 21:45:16 markd2 (~Snak@h166-102-041-170.ip.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 21:52:59 markd2 has quit ("wheeeee") 21:53:32 davb: why not write a C module? 22:00:20 to provide SOAP? 22:00:27 well the tcl one is already done :) 22:00:37 ah, that's a good reason 22:00:57 just aolserver does a little stuff different in setting up a tcl interpreter. 22:01:33 anyway, using tcllib for logging is not really ideal. I am going to see if I can abstract that part out, so it will use ns_log for aolserver. 22:02:16 although tcllib is the tcl standard library so I would hope it can work in aolserver. 22:22:38 talli has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 22:22:38 barstool has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 22:22:38 shagster has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 22:22:53 talli (~talli@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 22:22:53 barstool (~talli@xd84b5c59.ip.ggn.net) has joined #openacs 22:22:53 shagster (~mkovach@web1.alal.com) has joined #openacs 22:25:56 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. Please bear with us while things return to normal. 22:31:25 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. Please bear with us as we do some major rerouting. 22:31:42 hazmat has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 22:31:42 rbm has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 22:31:42 oacs-chump has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 22:31:56 hazmat (~ender@adsl-66-123-57-58.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #openacs 22:31:56 rbm (rmello@fslc.usu.edu) has joined #openacs 22:31:56 oacs-chump (~oacs-chum@alb-24-58-160-28.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 22:32:43 oacs-chump has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 22:32:43 rbm has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 22:32:43 hazmat has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 22:33:07 hazmat (~ender@adsl-66-123-57-58.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #openacs 22:33:07 rbm (rmello@fslc.usu.edu) has joined #openacs 22:33:07 oacs-chump (~oacs-chum@alb-24-58-160-28.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 22:35:13 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. We're continuing to reroute, please bear with us. 22:35:35 til has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 22:35:42 til (~tils@62.116.19.11) has joined #openacs 22:36:27 [GlobalNotice] Okay, folks, we are hoping this will be stable. Ping your friends a bit and if anyone is missing, /msg lilo, thanks 22:51:51 interesting TclSOAP is configured to use different xml parsers. 22:51:53 very nifty 22:52:33 nice 22:52:49 but so far only supports TclDOM and partially tDOM 22:53:41 I still haven't swalled the whole XML cool-aid 22:53:56 * rbm grumbles because of homeworjk 22:54:10 homework even 22:54:14 well, if you need SOAP, you need XML :) 22:54:24 * rbm goes to build a Turing machine 22:55:04 I know that, but I'm not super clear on all the components and stuff 22:55:17 me neither, I pick it us as I need it :) 22:55:41 bbl, junkyard wars 22:56:12 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. It's worth noting again that OPN is in rather desperate need of well-connected, reliable servers on T3 or better. Multihomed vastly preferred. Our bandwidth requirements are actually very low but we prefer high bandwidth connections for reduced latency and better connectivity. 22:56:58 [GlobalNotice] If you have the resources and are interested in helping support this community project, please take a look at http://openprojects.net/sponsoring_servers.shtml and email support@openprojects.net .... thanks! 23:30:25 jim (~jim@12-233-225-152.client.attbi.com) has joined #openacs 23:36:56 jim2 (~jim@12-233-225-152.client.attbi.com) has joined #openacs 23:38:44 oacs-chump has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 23:38:44 rbm has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 23:38:44 jim has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 23:38:44 hazmat has quit (zahn.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 23:38:48 jim2 is now known as jim 23:40:31 hazmat (~ender@adsl-66-123-57-58.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #openacs 23:40:31 rbm (rmello@fslc.usu.edu) has joined #openacs 23:40:31 oacs-chump (~oacs-chum@alb-24-58-160-28.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 23:40:43 hey rbm, did you get the directions i sent last eve? 23:41:41 maybe detached 23:44:16 talli: Yes. Thanks much 23:44:22 np 23:44:27 talli: I'm about to print them actually 23:44:34 oops, maybe not :) 23:44:38 cool