00:01:03 davb is on a bad? 00:01:06 s/bad/band/ 00:01:48 dave hill is a musea developer in cambridge 00:01:58 he's also an ex-housemate of mine 00:02:07 he shares that space with livesexact 00:02:13 I can see the USU computer services guys looking for who is going to that URL 00:02:46 anybody know how to make PostgreSQL not include milisecond precision in timestamps? 00:03:52 PG 7.2 that is 00:04:17 Tora is really hot stuff 00:25:21 * rbm reads the latest spill by Uncle Bill 00:27:30 Interesting. He says that "the so-called general GPL source license free software foundation" is against software generating jobs. 00:27:52 talli has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00:31:35 "GPL software is like this thing called Linux, where you can never commercialize anything around it; that is, it always has to free." -- Bill Spill Gates 00:34:06 Bill Gates sure says "you know" a lot. 00:52:10 rbm: you -do- know a lot ;) 00:53:02 jim: hmmm? 00:53:26 Bill Gates sure says "you know" a lot. 00:53:42 oh. I see. 00:53:51 oh, misread the quotes... 00:53:55 oops :) 00:54:18 * jim is getting ready to test his new laser printer :) 00:55:01 Nice 01:07:57 printer returns my pings :) 01:09:31 That's good. 01:29:30 it works! prints beautifully... 01:30:03 * jim did man -Tps | lpr 01:30:07 err 01:30:15 * jim did man -Tps undocumented | lpr 01:30:25 (since man undocumented is one page) 01:31:11 * jim goes for some good laser paper :) 01:31:24 * rbm cool 01:31:42 what spooler are you using? 01:31:47 lprng 01:31:55 the printer does postscript inside 01:33:55 * jim goes to the store 02:14:41 hazmat has quit (Remote closed the connection) 02:23:19 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 02:24:38 anyone interested in SOAP in OpenACS? 02:28:19 guess everyone has something to do this friday night :) 02:30:17 davb: I am. 02:30:29 soapenacs? 02:30:54 cool. 02:31:15 i got a reply from former nssoap developer. he says forget it and go with straight TclSOAP and go from there. 02:31:37 that was my instinct also. just build a thin layer over tclSOAP with some service-contracty stuff. 02:32:36 althought I like the idea of exporting the SOAP method as a Tcl proc. 02:32:58 not sure which way to go. probably have to consult neophytos who has already thought about it. 02:33:55 I have an nsexpat and nstcldom that works with the old tclsoap embedded in NSSoap. 02:42:30 It'd be awesome to have a google-search module for oacs 02:42:39 yes. 02:43:04 TclSOAP works. problem is it requires a different XML parser than the rest of OpenACS. 02:43:16 Oh crap. why? 02:43:48 becuase openacs uses ns_xml which only works in aolserver :). tclSOAP uses TclDOM which depends on expat. 02:44:00 there is planned a version of TclDOM based on libxml2 02:44:40 I don't feel up to rewriting tclsoap for ns_xml. 02:44:55 the cool thing is TclSOAP supports XMLRPC and SOAP now. 02:48:01 Isn't expat based on libxml2? 02:48:20 What's the problem of using TclSOAP and ns_xml? 02:49:58 expat is a non-validating very fast patser. it is library similar to libxml2. except libxml2 validates. 02:50:08 the problem is rewriting all the XML calls. 02:50:34 maybe finish up nsxml 2.0 which has alot of features needed to make it easier to manipulate xml trees 02:50:37 hazmat (~ender@adsl-66-123-57-58.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #openacs 02:54:31 So is there a problem of having ns_xml loaded and then use TclSOAP? 02:57:04 no. 02:57:08 not a problem. 02:57:19 you just need nsxml, nsexpat and nstcldom. 02:58:17 Can't you just 'package require tclsoap'? 03:01:13 that is on my list :) 03:02:14 of what? 03:02:22 things to try to see if it works 03:03:35 oh, okay. 03:03:45 It should work. 03:03:53 I've loaded Tcl mods in AOLserver. 03:04:17 In fact, I think that's better than trying to re-write everything as AOLserver modules. 03:04:59 I'm sure there are advantages to writing AOLserver-specific modules, but I just don't think they overweigh the cons. 03:06:09 Especially after Tcl 8.4 comes out. 8.4 will have the same "zippy" memory allocator that AOLserver has (Jeff Hobbs is taking it from AOLserver and putting it in Tcl) 03:06:46 So AOLserver no longer will require its special version of Tcl. You'll be able to compile it with whatever Tcl you have in your system (>= 8.4 of course) 03:13:09 cool. 03:15:12 tclSOAP requires the expat and tcldom C modules. that is the tricky part I think 03:18:44 But if they're available for Tcl, you should be able to just package require it 03:23:10 * rbm goes out 03:23:59 * davb is not so sure tcl packages written in C "just work" in aolserver... 03:25:40 well gotta go. I will think about this more later 03:26:58 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 03:45:09 * jim has gotten into the habit of compiling plperl into pg lately... 04:01:38 abbaj has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:14:59 abbaJ (~jabba@adsl-64-123-15-115.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) has joined #openacs 15:03:00 talilee (~talli@talli.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 15:13:46 ooom 15:22:05 hey rbm 15:24:53 hey talli 15:53:22 Oh boy, Borland compilers on Linux now 16:11:27 talilee has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16:13:49 That's right, go away! 16:14:02 * rbm is all alone now 16:14:07 paje: will you make me company? 16:14:07 rbm: bugger all, i dunno 16:14:21 paje: I'll give you a botsnack 16:14:21 thanks rbm :) 16:14:26 good boy 16:35:09 BeastieB (foundme@dl-dtg-fln-C8B0B1FC.p001.terra.com.br) has joined #openacs 16:35:16 BeastieB has left #openacs 17:05:52 http://athena.homeunix.net/~abandonsoft/ 17:05:52 A: http://athena.homeunix.net/~abandonsoft/ from rbm 17:06:09 A:| Old Software (windows 1.0 is there, in a zip) 17:06:09 titled item A 17:40:32 rzolf (~rolf@badgertronics.com) has joined #openacs 17:40:53 rzolf has left #openacs 17:41:36 talli (~talli@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 17:48:29 rzolf didn't want to stay for long apparently ): 18:02:47 jim has quit ("wandering off to play the vids...") 18:45:33 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 18:47:53 hello davb 18:48:44 hi 18:48:44 hola, davb 18:49:17 I see someone is working on extending my xmlrpc stuff. I still think TclSOAP is the better way to go because you can access the same methods by SOAP or XMLRPC. 18:50:01 * davb will be in and out: taking down christmas lights 18:51:48 You better. 19:06:19 heh 19:06:32 have you been talking to my wife? 19:07:23 Not really :) 19:07:51 talli: you really need to send me the directions to the subway and stuff, otherwise I'll be lost in the boston airport 19:08:07 davb: So are you coming just for the social? Where do you live anyways? 19:09:48 I live in albany. its 3 hours. 19:10:04 I've been to Albany. 19:10:17 Albany, New York? :) 19:10:24 In 1993. Yes, Albany, NY. 19:10:29 talli has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19:10:39 actually i live in a nice rural suburban area about 10 miles away from albany :) 19:10:56 that is cool. 19:11:13 I can't imagine why you would have visited though :) 19:11:48 I was on my way to Niagara Falls 19:12:07 Me and my twin brother traveled over the U.S. for 2 months in the summer on 1993. 19:12:17 We visited 33 U.S. states 19:13:04 I can't remember if I was going to Niagara falls, or coming back from it 19:15:32 cool. 19:15:43 actually my wife if from Niagara Falls :) 19:15:50 Great. 19:21:25 cool. i was right, there was an earthquake this morning. 19:24:19 oh? how big? 19:24:43 5.1 near plattsburgh, ny. we felt it here this morning. 19:27:53 installing tlcSOAP, testing under tclsh 19:28:06 maybe it does _Not_ require any fancy stuff. 19:46:29 ARRRGH! It's snowing, _again_!!!$!@#$@#!$%!@#$^%!@#$ 19:50:53 wow. 19:51:34 Last year we had a snow shower in July 19:54:58 talli (~talli@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 19:58:16 talli: are you really here? 19:58:22 talli has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:00:55 guess not :( 20:02:19 ratz 20:03:01 rbm: aaronsw has some good info on getting to mit on his bostontrip page. 20:03:40 davb: I'm going to stay with talli's former roommate, but he hasn't told me where he lives. 20:03:51 ah, you will need talli that. 20:04:18 argh 20:04:38 tclsoap does _NOT_ install with ./configure, make, make install on my debian installation. 20:05:45 i'll figure this out later 20:07:01 ah, i need stuff in tcllib. 20:07:14 talli (~talli@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 20:08:05 $dbh->query("delete from ec_subsubcategory_product_map where product_id=$product_id"); 20:08:06 audit 20:08:06 foreach ($subsubcategory_list as $subsubcategory_id ) { 20:08:06 ad_audit_delete_row($dbh, array($subsubcategory_id, $product_id), array('subsubcategory_id','product_id'), 'ec_subsubcat_prod_map_audit'); 20:08:10 :-) 20:08:24 php? 20:08:59 Yep. 20:10:22 * rbm looks for the e-commerce module thread 20:12:41 cool it validates. 20:12:55 crap 20:13:03 davb: Do you have the URL for that lateste ecommerce thread? 20:13:42 I don't think so. 20:14:20 I have to go to work, bbl 20:14:35 later 20:15:51 http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0004aL 20:15:52 B: http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0004aL from rbm 20:16:11 B:| e-commerce module thread (latest as of 04/20/2002) 20:16:11 titled item B 20:35:58 talilee (~talli@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 20:35:59 talli has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:28:35 talilee_ (~talli@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 21:28:35 talilee has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:37:08 talilee_ is now known as talli