IRC log of openacs on 2002-04-20

Timestamps are in UTC.

00:01:03 [rbm]
davb is on a bad?
00:01:06 [rbm]
s/bad/band/
00:01:48 [talli]
dave hill is a musea developer in cambridge
00:01:58 [talli]
he's also an ex-housemate of mine
00:02:07 [talli]
he shares that space with livesexact
00:02:13 [rbm]
I can see the USU computer services guys looking for who is going to that URL
00:02:46 [rbm]
anybody know how to make PostgreSQL not include milisecond precision in timestamps?
00:03:52 [rbm]
PG 7.2 that is
00:04:17 [rbm]
Tora is really hot stuff
00:25:21 [rbm]
* rbm reads the latest spill by Uncle Bill
00:27:30 [rbm]
Interesting. He says that "the so-called general GPL source license free software foundation" is against software generating jobs.
00:27:52 [talli]
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00:31:35 [rbm]
"GPL software is like this thing called Linux, where you can never commercialize anything around it; that is, it always has to free." -- Bill Spill Gates
00:34:06 [rbm]
Bill Gates sure says "you know" a lot.
00:52:10 [jim]
rbm: you -do- know a lot ;)
00:53:02 [rbm]
jim: hmmm?
00:53:26 [jim]
<rbm> Bill Gates sure says "you know" a lot.
00:53:42 [rbm]
oh. I see.
00:53:51 [jim]
oh, misread the quotes...
00:53:55 [jim]
oops :)
00:54:18 [jim]
* jim is getting ready to test his new laser printer :)
00:55:01 [rbm]
Nice
01:07:57 [jim]
printer returns my pings :)
01:09:31 [rbm]
That's good.
01:29:30 [jim]
it works! prints beautifully...
01:30:03 [jim]
* jim did man -Tps | lpr
01:30:07 [jim]
err
01:30:15 [jim]
* jim did man -Tps undocumented | lpr
01:30:25 [jim]
(since man undocumented is one page)
01:31:11 [jim]
* jim goes for some good laser paper :)
01:31:24 [rbm]
* rbm cool
01:31:42 [rbm]
what spooler are you using?
01:31:47 [jim]
lprng
01:31:55 [jim]
the printer does postscript inside
01:33:55 [jim]
* jim goes to the store
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02:23:19 [davb]
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02:24:38 [davb]
anyone interested in SOAP in OpenACS?
02:28:19 [davb]
guess everyone has something to do this friday night :)
02:30:17 [rbm]
davb: I am.
02:30:29 [jim]
soapenacs?
02:30:54 [davb]
cool.
02:31:15 [davb]
i got a reply from former nssoap developer. he says forget it and go with straight TclSOAP and go from there.
02:31:37 [davb]
that was my instinct also. just build a thin layer over tclSOAP with some service-contracty stuff.
02:32:36 [davb]
althought I like the idea of exporting the SOAP method as a Tcl proc.
02:32:58 [davb]
not sure which way to go. probably have to consult neophytos who has already thought about it.
02:33:55 [davb]
I have an nsexpat and nstcldom that works with the old tclsoap embedded in NSSoap.
02:42:30 [rbm]
It'd be awesome to have a google-search module for oacs
02:42:39 [davb]
yes.
02:43:04 [davb]
TclSOAP works. problem is it requires a different XML parser than the rest of OpenACS.
02:43:16 [rbm]
Oh crap. why?
02:43:48 [davb]
becuase openacs uses ns_xml which only works in aolserver :). tclSOAP uses TclDOM which depends on expat.
02:44:00 [davb]
there is planned a version of TclDOM based on libxml2
02:44:40 [davb]
I don't feel up to rewriting tclsoap for ns_xml.
02:44:55 [davb]
the cool thing is TclSOAP supports XMLRPC and SOAP now.
02:48:01 [rbm]
Isn't expat based on libxml2?
02:48:20 [rbm]
What's the problem of using TclSOAP and ns_xml?
02:49:58 [davb]
expat is a non-validating very fast patser. it is library similar to libxml2. except libxml2 validates.
02:50:08 [davb]
the problem is rewriting all the XML calls.
02:50:34 [davb]
maybe finish up nsxml 2.0 which has alot of features needed to make it easier to manipulate xml trees
02:50:37 [hazmat]
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02:54:31 [rbm]
So is there a problem of having ns_xml loaded and then use TclSOAP?
02:57:04 [davb]
no.
02:57:08 [davb]
not a problem.
02:57:19 [davb]
you just need nsxml, nsexpat and nstcldom.
02:58:17 [rbm]
Can't you just 'package require tclsoap'?
03:01:13 [davb]
that is on my list :)
03:02:14 [rbm]
of what?
03:02:22 [davb]
things to try to see if it works
03:03:35 [rbm]
oh, okay.
03:03:45 [rbm]
It should work.
03:03:53 [rbm]
I've loaded Tcl mods in AOLserver.
03:04:17 [rbm]
In fact, I think that's better than trying to re-write everything as AOLserver modules.
03:04:59 [rbm]
I'm sure there are advantages to writing AOLserver-specific modules, but I just don't think they overweigh the cons.
03:06:09 [rbm]
Especially after Tcl 8.4 comes out. 8.4 will have the same "zippy" memory allocator that AOLserver has (Jeff Hobbs is taking it from AOLserver and putting it in Tcl)
03:06:46 [rbm]
So AOLserver no longer will require its special version of Tcl. You'll be able to compile it with whatever Tcl you have in your system (>= 8.4 of course)
03:13:09 [hazmat]
cool.
03:15:12 [davb]
tclSOAP requires the expat and tcldom C modules. that is the tricky part I think
03:18:44 [rbm]
But if they're available for Tcl, you should be able to just package require it
03:23:10 [rbm]
* rbm goes out
03:23:59 [davb]
* davb is not so sure tcl packages written in C "just work" in aolserver...
03:25:40 [davb]
well gotta go. I will think about this more later
03:26:58 [davb]
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03:45:09 [jim]
* jim has gotten into the habit of compiling plperl into pg lately...
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15:13:46 [rbm]
ooom
15:22:05 [talilee]
hey rbm
15:24:53 [rbm]
hey talli
15:53:22 [rbm]
Oh boy, Borland compilers on Linux now
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16:13:49 [rbm]
That's right, go away!
16:14:02 [rbm]
* rbm is all alone now
16:14:07 [rbm]
paje: will you make me company?
16:14:07 [paje]
rbm: bugger all, i dunno
16:14:21 [rbm]
paje: I'll give you a botsnack
16:14:21 [paje]
thanks rbm :)
16:14:26 [rbm]
good boy
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17:05:52 [rbm]
http://athena.homeunix.net/~abandonsoft/
17:05:52 [oacs-chump]
A: http://athena.homeunix.net/~abandonsoft/ from rbm
17:06:09 [rbm]
A:| Old Software (windows 1.0 is there, in a zip)
17:06:09 [oacs-chump]
titled item A
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17:48:29 [rbm]
rzolf didn't want to stay for long apparently ):
18:02:47 [jim]
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18:45:33 [davb]
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18:47:53 [rbm]
hello davb
18:48:44 [davb]
hi
18:48:44 [paje]
hola, davb
18:49:17 [davb]
I see someone is working on extending my xmlrpc stuff. I still think TclSOAP is the better way to go because you can access the same methods by SOAP or XMLRPC.
18:50:01 [davb]
* davb will be in and out: taking down christmas lights
18:51:48 [rbm]
You better.
19:06:19 [davb]
heh
19:06:32 [davb]
have you been talking to my wife?
19:07:23 [rbm]
Not really :)
19:07:51 [rbm]
talli: you really need to send me the directions to the subway and stuff, otherwise I'll be lost in the boston airport
19:08:07 [rbm]
davb: So are you coming just for the social? Where do you live anyways?
19:09:48 [davb]
I live in albany. its 3 hours.
19:10:04 [rbm]
I've been to Albany.
19:10:17 [davb]
Albany, New York? :)
19:10:24 [rbm]
In 1993. Yes, Albany, NY.
19:10:29 [talli]
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19:10:39 [davb]
actually i live in a nice rural suburban area about 10 miles away from albany :)
19:10:56 [davb]
that is cool.
19:11:13 [davb]
I can't imagine why you would have visited though :)
19:11:48 [rbm]
I was on my way to Niagara Falls
19:12:07 [rbm]
Me and my twin brother traveled over the U.S. for 2 months in the summer on 1993.
19:12:17 [rbm]
We visited 33 U.S. states
19:13:04 [rbm]
I can't remember if I was going to Niagara falls, or coming back from it
19:15:32 [davb]
cool.
19:15:43 [davb]
actually my wife if from Niagara Falls :)
19:15:50 [rbm]
Great.
19:21:25 [davb]
cool. i was right, there was an earthquake this morning.
19:24:19 [rbm]
oh? how big?
19:24:43 [davb]
5.1 near plattsburgh, ny. we felt it here this morning.
19:27:53 [davb]
installing tlcSOAP, testing under tclsh
19:28:06 [davb]
maybe it does _Not_ require any fancy stuff.
19:46:29 [rbm]
ARRRGH! It's snowing, _again_!!!$!@#$@#!$%!@#$^%!@#$
19:50:53 [davb]
wow.
19:51:34 [rbm]
Last year we had a snow shower in July
19:54:58 [talli]
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19:58:16 [rbm]
talli: are you really here?
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20:00:55 [davb]
guess not :(
20:02:19 [rbm]
ratz
20:03:01 [davb]
rbm: aaronsw has some good info on getting to mit on his bostontrip page.
20:03:40 [rbm]
davb: I'm going to stay with talli's former roommate, but he hasn't told me where he lives.
20:03:51 [davb]
ah, you will need talli that.
20:04:18 [davb]
argh
20:04:38 [davb]
tclsoap does _NOT_ install with ./configure, make, make install on my debian installation.
20:05:45 [davb]
i'll figure this out later
20:07:01 [davb]
ah, i need stuff in tcllib.
20:07:14 [talli]
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20:08:05 [rbm]
$dbh->query("delete from ec_subsubcategory_product_map where product_id=$product_id");
20:08:06 [rbm]
audit
20:08:06 [rbm]
foreach ($subsubcategory_list as $subsubcategory_id ) {
20:08:06 [rbm]
ad_audit_delete_row($dbh, array($subsubcategory_id, $product_id), array('subsubcategory_id','product_id'), 'ec_subsubcat_prod_map_audit');
20:08:10 [rbm]
:-)
20:08:24 [davb]
php?
20:08:59 [rbm]
Yep.
20:10:22 [rbm]
* rbm looks for the e-commerce module thread
20:12:41 [davb]
cool it validates.
20:12:55 [rbm]
crap
20:13:03 [rbm]
davb: Do you have the URL for that lateste ecommerce thread?
20:13:42 [davb]
I don't think so.
20:14:20 [davb]
I have to go to work, bbl
20:14:35 [rbm]
later
20:15:51 [rbm]
http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0004aL
20:15:52 [oacs-chump]
B: http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0004aL from rbm
20:16:11 [rbm]
B:| e-commerce module thread (latest as of 04/20/2002)
20:16:11 [oacs-chump]
titled item B
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