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01:33:06 <talli> http://www.mola.org/mola/10baset.html
01:33:07 <oacs-chump> A: http://www.mola.org/mola/10baset.html from talli
01:33:17 <talli> A: Netmaster 10BaseT in da house
01:33:17 <oacs-chump> added comment A1
01:55:57 <hazmat> paje: seen God
01:55:57 <paje> I haven't seen 'God', hazmat
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02:06:00 <rbm> hey hazmat. How's the land of Zope?
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12:58:31 <markd2> hi
12:58:50 <davb> hi markd2
12:58:53 <davb> wb logger
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12:59:35 <markd2> bye
13:01:03 <davb> oops.
13:01:09 <davb> crashed access again
13:02:05 <davb> pesky infinite loop
13:05:26 <markd2> ouch
13:05:48 <markd2> what makes access so popular (outside of being ubiquotous)?
13:06:00 <markd2> would it be possible to do something on top of PG to emulate it or do what it does?
13:06:23 <davb> it actually is nice to build a UI to a real database.
13:06:49 <markd2> access has ui stuff built in?
13:06:51 <davb> i would love to migrate the data to PG and keep the UI in access. 
13:07:02 <markd2> interesting
13:07:27 <davb> yeah. it has forms, reports, etc. and a built in programming language.
13:07:40 <markd2> yet another basic variant?
13:08:09 <davb> well MS kinda got them all similar. there is VBA and VB. VBA is the built in language in all office apps.
13:08:22 <markd2> gotcha
13:09:11 <davb> alot of jobs i see say access/oracle
13:12:00 <davb> which has got to be some sort of weird IT hell
13:13:14 <markd2> whee fun - severe thunderstorms on their way.  http://wunderground.org/radar/station.asp?ID=PBZ19
13:14:11 <markd2> I'm right under the 'h' in pittsburgh
13:15:06 <davb> ah.
13:15:19 <davb> we are gettig the same ones. ours are in syracuse right now...
13:15:23 <markd2> it's already dark here.
13:15:30 <markd2> kinda spooky having that giant 'h' floating in the sky
13:17:37 <davb> heh
13:17:58 <davb> yeah but it makes it alot easier to make those satellite maps
13:18:07 <davb> that is a cool site.
13:18:14 <markd2> wunderground?
13:18:18 <markd2> yeah, it's awesome
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13:26:52 <davb_foo> argh
13:27:00 <davb_foo> anyway those are desktop radio control tanks!
13:27:49 <davb_foo> oohhh 4 channels
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13:46:21 <Fixophylax> sheit
13:46:30 <Fixophylax> Fixophylax is now known as InPainophylax
13:47:14 <InPainophylax> I'm warning you, when you get dropped on your back 3 times from the height of 6 or 7 feet you WILL be in pain the next day
13:47:33 <markd2> some kind of martial arts?
13:47:45 <InPainophylax> crowd surfing
13:47:49 <markd2> ah
13:47:51 <markd2> yeah, that'd hurt
13:47:53 <markd2> what concert?
13:47:57 <InPainophylax> Rob Zombie
13:48:02 <markd2> sweet
13:48:05 <InPainophylax> I know
13:48:22 <markd2> I much prefer to be down in the pit, closer to the ground
13:48:37 <InPainophylax> I was in the pit
13:48:55 <InPainophylax> That's how I got elbowed in the groin and the rib cage
13:49:52 <markd2> heh
13:50:01 <markd2> it's not a concert til you come home bruised
13:50:08 <InPainophylax> I know
13:50:29 <InPainophylax> I wonder if they'll let me put up a poster of a half-naked chick giving the finger in my cube
13:50:31 <talli> markd2: is that the motto of your symphony?
13:50:42 <markd2> yes
13:50:49 <InPainophylax> lol
13:50:53 <markd2> WE"RE TURNING CARNEIGIE HALL INTO A MOSH PIT Pit pit...
13:50:59 <talli> you must have a serious string section
13:51:06 <InPainophylax> rofl
13:51:10 <markd2> sax and violins man
13:51:18 <InPainophylax> mark, i'll come mosh
13:51:22 <talli> haha
13:51:23 <InPainophylax> just tell me where
13:51:36 <talli> i bet mozart's requierem isn't just for mozart anymore
13:51:59 <markd2> "Ill kick ya in your Dies Iré"
13:52:57 <InPainophylax> ROFL
13:57:29 <InPainophylax> oh the pain in my side
14:41:25 <rbm> oow
14:41:44 <markd2> wow.  moo rotate 180 degrees
14:41:54 <InPainophylax> ROFL
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15:02:01 <rbm> I see that my inverted moo took markd2 out
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15:16:13 <rbm> morning vinod
15:17:10 <vinod> morning!
15:17:20 <vinod> still snowing out there?
15:21:06 <rbm> No, sun's shining now
15:21:37 <rbm> But there's still snow on the grass from last night. http://www.usu.edu/about/webcam/
15:22:14 <rbm> * rbm will be in the building on the forementioned URL in 2 hours
15:26:32 <davb> hi vinod
15:26:56 <vinod> hey davb!
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16:04:16 <InPainophylax> hey vinod 
16:04:34 <InPainophylax> What do you recommend for a pain killer?
16:05:46 <vinod> tylenol & ibuprofen
16:06:08 <vinod> or banging a rock on another part of the body to make you forget the first pain
16:06:33 <vinod> distraction is a suprisingly effective pain relief technique :-)
16:07:16 <davb> * davb remembers not to get sick while visiting boston....
16:08:59 <vinod> * vinod wonders why his waiting room is always empty
16:09:12 <talli> talli has left #openacs
16:10:29 <davb> wow, you scared talli right out of the channel!
16:12:31 <vinod> heh, but barstool is still here
16:23:57 <InPainophylax> Oh I need something
16:23:58 <InPainophylax> anything
16:24:05 <InPainophylax> something that can wake me up too
16:25:28 <vinod> * vinod starts looking around for a rock
16:26:09 <vinod> why are you in pain?
16:26:49 <InPainophylax> too much moshing, screaming and crowd surfing
16:27:13 <vinod> ahhh - self inflicted punishment ;-)
16:27:21 <InPainophylax> that and being dropped flat on my back from a height of 6 or 7 feet when crowd surfing
16:27:39 <InPainophylax> It rocks though
16:27:50 <vinod> ouch. "Does that hurt? .... Yes.... Don't do that!"
16:28:07 <InPainophylax> lol
16:28:20 <InPainophylax> Well, getting eblowed in your rib cage is painful
16:33:35 <InPainophylax> lunch time
16:44:52 <rbm> virtual consultations now? That might be a good .com business
16:45:14 <rbm> we can feed medical factoids into paje and he'll do it.
16:45:15 <rbm> right paje?
16:45:19 <rbm> paje: ?
16:45:19 <paje> bugger all, i dunno, rbm
16:45:29 <rbm> paje: excellent, you'd be a great doctor
16:45:29 <paje> rbm: i'm not following you...
16:46:16 <rbm> looks like I'm almost done porting the e-commerce admin interface to php
16:48:02 <davb> wow.
16:49:37 <rbm> I'm leaving the more exoteric features for later though.
16:49:46 <rbm> (e.g. multiple retailers, user classes)
16:50:42 <davb> good idea. i don't think anyone ever used them
16:53:55 <rbm> yeah, just want plain e-commerce for now
16:55:08 <rbm> earlier this month, after spending countless hours on this porting effort, the client comes back and tells me that he'd be okay with us moving to an OpenACS-friendly colo facility
16:55:48 <rbm> So now I have to decide on either finishing the port, or going the OACS 4 route
16:56:08 <davb> aigh!
16:56:16 <rbm> I hate clients
16:56:19 <davb> heh
16:56:41 <rbm> I asked them so many times "please, let's move to hub.org so we can use OpenACS. Please. Please."
16:57:40 <davb> you would be more support with OpenACS, but the payment stuff isn't done yet.
16:57:41 <rbm> I got more tipped over to the OACS route after I read somebody's post on the e-commerce and how they're improving it
16:58:05 <davb> but it will be nice to be able to plug it in when it's done.
16:58:07 <rbm> well, the payment stuff on my port is not done either, and we're using pay frow pro
16:59:18 <rbm> I'd have a lot more community support with OACS, and it'd help the project along the way
16:59:29 <rbm> Whereas my port only has one member in the community.
16:59:39 <davb> right
16:59:47 <rbm> *sighs*
16:59:54 <davb> someone is already working on a service-contract for verisign for OACS
17:00:10 <rbm> for payflow pro?
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17:00:21 <davb> I thought so.
17:00:36 <rbm> i don't really understand service-contract
17:01:53 <davb> i understand enough to make it work, which is very little :)
17:02:10 <rbm> what's the 2-line explanation?
17:02:24 <davb> basically. the ecommerce package defines a payment service contract. operations that need to be performed.
17:02:42 <davb> the payment gateway package fufills the contract.
17:02:45 <davb> that was bad :)
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17:03:53 <davb> ok: To facilitate greater code reuse, application integration, and package extensibility within the OpenACS.
17:03:53 <davb> To do this acs-service-contract defines an api for the creation of interfaces and discovery of interface implementations
17:05:47 <rbm> a
17:05:50 <rbm> s/a/ah/
17:06:17 <davb> the first two lines of the acs-sc doc :)
17:06:57 <denshi> rbm, are you confident about hub.org stability?
17:07:38 <markd2> hubba hubba
17:07:58 <rbm> denshi: Why wouldn't I  be?
17:08:16 <denshi> umm... because it's crashing like a win NT box....
17:08:36 <rbm> oh, you have a site hosted there?
17:08:41 <denshi> yup
17:08:53 <denshi> I think maybe they have just one really big box, too.
17:09:03 <denshi> which makes it less tolerable when things come down.
17:09:11 <rbm> I was thinking about hosting there, but haven't really used their services yet
17:09:25 <rbm> I liked their virtual machine model
17:09:53 <denshi> it's cool, but the last couple weeks of crashing is annoying me.
17:10:06 <rbm> have you e-mailed them? What do they say?
17:10:17 <denshi> not much, as it's just my personal site, but I couldn't sell an ecom site on it with a straight face.
17:11:14 <rbm> hmmm. where else could I host an OACS4 site?
17:11:24 <rbm> didn't talli say musea was thinking about hosting?
17:11:45 <rbm> aigh, have to head to class
17:11:47 <rbm> ttyl
17:12:28 <denshi> I've emailed them a couple times with DB problems a while back, and they're quick and skilled (they sort of have to be)
17:13:14 <denshi> they're way above board -- they send out the emails when things are screwy, and twice have refunded me money when uptimes have been poor
17:13:34 <denshi> so good for low-reliability sites, poor for ecom or such.
17:21:57 <davb> that is the worst problem openacs has. the hosting requirements are too steep for most little sites.
17:22:20 <davb> hence my idea of hosting multiple small clients with one db/aolserver/openacs set.
17:23:14 <davb> argh, i have to email edwardtufte.com to put the NEW messages at the top of his bboard
17:43:31 <markd2> start calling the old messages bboardjunk
17:45:32 <davb> heh
17:46:10 <davb> should I email ALL the developers on NSSoap or just one at a time until I get a response?
17:51:39 <markd2> ALL
17:51:42 <markd2> Repeatedly
17:52:00 <markd2> frequently follow up with "why haven't you answered!  here's my question again1!1!1"
17:52:19 <davb> heh
17:52:38 <davb> well I did send about 10 emails to the lead developer with whom I have exchanged several emails before.
17:55:45 <davb> would that make me a sourceforge stalker?
17:59:05 <markd2> not so long as you stopped mentioning trying to have his love-children
18:00:57 <davb> ah
18:01:02 <davb> I knew I went wrong somewhere
18:01:21 <davb> hey. google has an xmlrpc api. i thought it was just soap. now I can avoid real work without bugging the nssoap guys.
18:02:34 <davb> ah userland has a gateway, still cool
18:02:44 <davb> http://www.xmlrpc.com/googleGateway
18:02:45 <oacs-chump> B: http://www.xmlrpc.com/googleGateway from davb
18:30:26 <InPainophylax> ROFL
18:30:58 <InPainophylax> You know you spend too much at one place when the customer service rep tells you to get a grip
18:31:19 <markd2> wow!
18:31:33 <markd2> that must have been a lot of bowling balls you got
18:31:56 <InPainophylax> Computer parts
18:32:49 <InPainophylax> They need a frequent shopper club
18:35:57 <InPainophylax> InPainophylax is now known as Spendophylax
18:50:22 <markd2> markd2 is now known as Spandexphylax
18:50:33 <Spandexphylax> Spandexphylax is now known as markd2
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19:22:13 <denshi> Spendophylax, was it newegg who told you to get a grip?
19:28:07 <Spendophylax> yes
19:28:18 <Spendophylax> How did ya know?
19:28:25 <Spendophylax> although I think I know
19:39:03 <denshi> why did they tell you that?
19:40:42 <davb> denshi: have you seen:  commute is about 20 mins.
19:40:42 <davb> <Morbus> it takes me seven minutes to get to work, walking.
19:40:42 <davb> <Morbus> :)
19:40:42 <davb> <Morbus> thats why i have my computer cron'd to dial in at 6:06.
19:40:43 <davb> oops
19:40:50 <davb> http://www.lisp-p.org/
19:40:50 <oacs-chump> C: http://www.lisp-p.org/ from davb
19:41:00 <davb> C:|Lisp Magazine
19:41:01 <oacs-chump> titled item C
19:41:16 <denshi> Morbus should walk, then, if driving takes 20 mins.
19:44:28 <davb> argh
19:44:38 <davb> actually he does walk. that was someone else :)
19:45:38 <Spendophylax> I don't know why they told me that
19:45:47 <denshi> oh.  in that case, they should both bike.
19:46:16 <Spendophylax> denshi 
19:46:22 <Spendophylax> who told ya it was newegg?
19:46:51 <denshi> in the past you talked about newegg.  I buy from them too, so I thought it was kinda funny.
19:47:15 <denshi> oh, yeah, and the secret web of spycam-wielding ninjas who track your every move reported it to me.
19:47:24 <denshi> we own your dog!
19:48:08 <Spendophylax> I don't have a dog
19:48:23 <denshi> not anymore, at least.
19:48:26 <Spendophylax> LOL
19:48:33 <Spendophylax> Newegg rocks
19:48:41 <denshi> * denshi sends the ninjas after mark.  "Go steal cookies!"
19:48:43 <Spendophylax> Although, now I have to go find the grill for that P/S that's bad
19:51:17 <Spendophylax> I spend too much money there
19:56:03 <denshi> i'm just wondering at what level of hysteria the newegg guys snap and tell you to get a grip.
19:56:47 <davb> i think when Spendophylax's total purchased exceeded the rep's annual salary
19:57:04 <Spendophylax> ROFL
19:57:08 <Spendophylax> Well
19:57:33 <Spendophylax> A few of my recent purchases: 104, 197, 475, 166, 225
19:58:15 <denshi> man, they need to give those rep's a raise.
19:58:50 <markd2> paje, 104 + 197 + 475 + 166 + 225
19:58:51 <paje> 1167
19:58:55 <markd2> damn!
20:04:07 <Spendophylax> paje... a + b
20:04:13 <Spendophylax> heh
20:04:15 <davb> isn't anyone doing any work today?
20:04:16 <Spendophylax> paje, a + b
20:04:16 <paje> Spendophylax: excuse me?
20:04:20 <Spendophylax> nope
20:04:23 <Spendophylax> paje, a + 1
20:04:24 <paje> Spendophylax: sorry...
20:04:31 <Spendophylax> paje, pi * 3
20:04:31 <paje> Spendophylax: sorry...
20:04:37 <Spendophylax> damn you stupid bot
20:07:24 <davb> hmmm, i need to jump start my brain
20:08:52 <Spendophylax> paje, 1167 + 128 + 128
20:08:52 <paje> 1423
20:13:09 <denshi> paje, pi
20:13:10 <paje> denshi: excuse me?
20:13:14 <denshi> paje, pie
20:13:16 <paje> pie is a delicious thing to eat
20:14:03 <davb> pi is a delicious thing to eat
20:14:04 <davb> pi?
20:14:05 <paje> i think pi is a delicious thing to eat
20:14:26 <denshi> pie is  3.14159 * tasty.
20:14:38 <denshi> paje, pie
20:14:38 <paje> pie is a delicious thing to eat
20:14:43 <denshi> paje, pie
20:14:45 <paje> hmmm... pie is a delicious thing to eat
20:14:53 <denshi> paje, forget pie
20:14:53 <paje> denshi: I forgot pie
20:14:56 <denshi> pie is  3.14159 * tasty.
20:15:00 <denshi> paje, pie
20:15:00 <paje> pie is 3.14159 * tasty.
20:15:27 <Spendophylax> haha
20:15:29 <Spendophylax> infobot
20:15:39 <Spendophylax> paje who's denshi 
20:15:39 <paje> denshi is not one who can stand on a flat piece of wood as it rides the crest of an ocean wave
20:15:47 <Spendophylax> paje who are you
20:15:47 <paje> i am the medicine man and oracle in Amazonian tribes. I'm also a recipient of church of mike's "full deal" package or a pirate
20:15:49 <denshi> anyone else see that thread on /bboard about aol4 on windows?
20:16:43 <denshi> paje who's talli
20:16:43 <paje> i guess talli is a super duper dancer who can twirll on his head, run on his hands and use chopsticks with his toes.
20:16:52 <denshi> paje who's barstool
20:16:52 <paje> denshi: wish i knew
20:17:20 <davb> denshi: yeah. what about it?
20:17:37 <davb> aolserver 4 on windows is dead unless it runs under cygwin.
20:17:56 <denshi> some new info for me in there.... namely aol is "Agressively removing win32 support"
20:18:13 <davb> well, its gone. they ripped out all the code to provide win32 support.
20:18:33 <Spendophylax> denshi paje who's spork
20:18:36 <Spendophylax> ack
20:18:41 <Spendophylax> paje who's spork
20:18:41 <paje> spendophylax: no idea
20:18:51 <Spendophylax> paje, spork is psychephylax
20:18:51 <paje> OK, Spendophylax.
20:19:04 <Spendophylax> paje, psychephylax is spork
20:19:04 <paje> ...but psychephylax is on the job and yet I still don't learn anything...
20:19:19 <Spendophylax> paje who's spork
20:19:20 <paje> i guess spork is psychephylax
20:19:24 <Spendophylax> paje who's psychephylax
20:19:24 <paje> psychephylax is on the job and yet I still don't learn anything
20:19:27 <denshi> denshipage is a monsterous code-bot cyborg who cannot surf, but it still the amazonian oracle.  it was created by *phylax in a moment of goat-based weakness.
20:19:34 <Spendophylax> paje, forget psychephylax
20:19:35 <paje> Spendophylax: I forgot psychephylax
20:19:35 <denshi> paje, who's denshipage?
20:19:36 <paje> denshipage is a monsterous code-bot cyborg who cannot surf, but it still the amazonian oracle.  it was created by *phylax in a moment of goat-based weakness.
20:20:00 <Spendophylax> paje, psychephylax is spork
20:20:01 <paje> OK, Spendophylax.
20:20:32 <Spendophylax> paje, who's markd
20:20:32 <paje> no idea, spendophylax
20:20:35 <Spendophylax> paje, who's markd2 
20:20:35 <paje> markd2 is probably an improper republican because he uses nuclear bombs on offending directories
20:20:47 <Spendophylax> paje who's mark
20:20:47 <paje> no idea, spendophylax
20:20:53 <Spendophylax> paje, Mark is the Cookie Monster
20:20:53 <paje> OK, Spendophylax.
20:21:09 <davb> markd2 is the Cookie Monster
20:21:14 <davb> markd2?
20:21:14 <paje> i think markd2 is an improper republican because he uses nuclear bombs on offending directories
20:21:18 <davb> markd2?
20:21:18 <paje> it has been said that markd2 is an improper republican because he uses nuclear bombs on offending directories
20:21:20 <davb> hmmm
20:22:37 <denshi> we may need to just delete the chatlog today.
20:23:56 <denshi> paje, forget denshi
20:23:56 <paje> denshi: I forgot denshi
20:24:00 <davb> http://debian-cygwin.sourceforge.net/
20:24:00 <oacs-chump> D: http://debian-cygwin.sourceforge.net/ from davb
20:24:09 <davb> D:|Debian GNU/w32
20:24:09 <oacs-chump> titled item D
20:24:14 <denshi> denshi is the most off-beat genius you ever knew; he's so iconoclastic he's clastic.
20:24:15 <davb> D: debian packages for Cygwin
20:24:15 <oacs-chump> added comment D1
20:28:10 <davb> bye
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23:12:27 <rbm> shazam!
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23:55:17 <talli> anyone home this eve?
23:56:48 <rbm> shazam!
23:57:09 <talli> hey rbm
23:57:24 <rbm> talli: Don't forget to send me addresses, directions and stuff.
23:57:32 <rbm> (please)
23:57:41 <talli> am i right in saying that mod_aolserver/mod_nsd is basically an attempt to mimic aolserver's DB apis in apache?
23:57:41 <rbm> talli: Will I get to visit the Musea offices? 
23:57:42 <talli> oh, right
23:57:44 <talli> will get to it
23:57:57 <talli> haha. our "offices"?
23:57:59 <rbm> Yeah.
23:58:11 <talli> i think you can hang with davehill in the studio he shares
23:58:19 <rbm> davb?
23:58:19 <paje> well, davb is akk ut tajes
23:58:28 <rbm> paje: thanks
23:58:28 <paje> de rien rbm
23:58:30 <talli> it's not much, but he shares it with these guys: http://www.livesexact.net
23:58:44 <rbm> errr. not sure I want go visit that URL :)
23:58:51 <rbm> s/go/to/
23:59:02 <talli> check it out. it's not what you think
23:59:09 <rbm> okay.