00:00:43 ms: what does subsite aware mean to you? I think it means that the package can be mounted under different subsites and not step all over itself. 00:00:55 not that one instance is mounted at the top and works in all subsites... 00:01:24 yeah, that's how i'm thinking of it. 00:01:33 right 00:02:08 that seems to be the intent to me, at least. 00:03:37 ok. 00:04:20 VB rivals pg/plsql for obtuse error messages 00:05:48 wow 00:06:08 http://www.dashpc.com/ 00:06:09 A: http://www.dashpc.com/ from rbm 00:06:22 A:| Put Linux on the dashboard of your car 00:06:22 titled item A 00:06:48 * rbm tries to build libqt3-psql for the 15th time 00:07:03 It takes a _long_ time to build it on my super-slow machine 00:21:20 * davb stops thinking about VB.... 00:38:54 anybody here ever run the oracle data migration assistant? i'm running it at the moment - disks are churning but i've seen no progress in a while. curious how long it normally takes to do its thing. 00:39:25 going from 8.1.6 to 8.1.7 00:39:42 probably an extremely long time... 00:41:09 * rbm notes that building Qt3 is a tedious and long process 01:07:45 talli (~talli@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 01:08:18 moo talli 01:08:29 hey rbm 01:08:44 hi talli 01:08:51 hey davb 01:09:01 how yous guys doin'? 01:09:16 Got Tora to work and I must say I'm impressed. Very nice tool. 01:09:32 killer 01:09:35 Now I don't have to run that slow, memory-hog Java foo anymore. 01:09:37 how does it work with PG so far? 01:09:48 have you looked at the license for PGAdmin? 01:10:02 Works good. even does syntax highlighting for PL/pgSQL (as much as it matches Oracle's) 01:10:09 cool! 01:10:09 nice 01:10:13 i need to try that. 01:10:30 It has all these "templates" you can store 01:10:30 brb 01:10:37 i mentioned it to luke, and he said that it doesn't quite do PL/pgSQL debugging yet 01:10:46 then it will be a perfect IDE for PG 01:13:43 rbm: have you seen the license for PGadmin? 01:16:39 talli: I haven't tried the PL/pgSQL debugging foo yet. I'd assume it doesn't do pg very well, since it was really intended for Oracle (Tora == Toolkit For ORAcle) 01:16:47 errr, you get the idea 01:16:52 yeah 01:16:58 talli: No. I thought it was BSD'ish isn't it? 01:17:19 actually, though, the original developer of TOra posted on the mailing list today that he wants to change the name to Tosqel 01:17:31 Oh, that should be good. 01:17:37 because the tool will begin to support PG and MySQL too 01:17:46 the license for PGAdmin is stupid and nasty 01:18:39 * rbm looks at said license 01:18:40 it basically says that you can use this for free for now and build it into your apps, but if we ever decide to change the license and make it proprietary you will have to pay us 10K for each copy you sold 01:18:49 I guess they'll never get any modifications. 01:18:57 yeah 01:20:10 "In this case the licencee only retains the right to use the..." <-- apparently they can't spell either 01:21:12 Argh! They changed all the screenshots to be on an XP machine 01:30:41 * rbm sees the horror of VB 01:30:54 aiiighhhh 01:31:02 That is what I am doing at work. 01:31:10 well VBA anyway, close enough 01:31:15 http://cvs.pgadmin.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/pgadmin2/basActions.bas?rev=1.14&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup 01:31:16 B: http://cvs.pgadmin.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/pgadmin2/basActions.bas?rev=1.14&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup from rbm 01:31:35 Is VB really case-sensitive? I see a lot of "For Foo In This Than That" 01:32:02 not that I am aware of. 01:32:14 but the vb editor automagically capitalized stuff 01:32:28 That's D*MN UGLY! 01:32:30 argh, my sound card mysteriously stopped working 01:32:37 but the modules are all loaded 01:32:41 i don't understand people who license software under terms protecting them if they go proprietary 01:32:51 yeah, just sell it. 01:32:55 why not go proprietary in the first place? 01:33:14 talli: pgadmin was proprietary, but since it's pretty crappy nobody bought it. 01:33:18 no one will help you if you tell them you're going to take their work 01:33:28 rbm: ah... that explains it 01:33:40 So they opened up to get some "clients" 01:33:50 and none came running... 01:34:17 I doubt they'd ever see the $10,000 if they switched licenses 01:35:23 there was a really good article on newforge about how the GPL or GPL-compliant software is the best license to get developers to participate 01:35:25 lemme find it 01:36:17 * rbm prepares psychologically to go into the world of PHP 01:36:34 how hard a brick wall does that require? 01:36:41 :) 01:37:04 http://www.osopinion.com/perl/story/17201.html 01:37:04 C: http://www.osopinion.com/perl/story/17201.html from talli 01:37:39 C: "If your project is not GPL-compatible, you may not receive the necessary support from other developers to sustain your project. Many OSS/FS developers prefer the GPL because they believe it provides a better quid-pro-quo for developers, establishes collaboration between companies (better than consortia) and/or encourages an increase in the amount of Free Software. " 01:37:40 added comment C1 01:37:42 so, so true 01:37:47 ok, gotta head out to see some music 01:37:52 talk to you guys later 01:38:32 see music? 01:38:34 have fun 01:39:23 I seem to have screwed up my sound modules when I upgraded kernels 01:43:30 which card? 01:43:43 * rbm debates going to the study group session in 15 minutes. 01:45:42 http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1='6368227'.WKU.&OS=PN/6368227&RS=PN/6368227 01:45:43 D: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1='6368227'.WKU.&OS=PN/6368227&RS=PN/6368227 from davb 01:46:05 rbm: FM801 PCI card 01:46:08 study what? 01:47:37 D: is this for real? 01:47:37 added comment D1 01:49:21 Wow 01:50:11 davb: multimedia development, coding and compression algorithms, etc. 01:50:13 * rbm leaves 01:50:18 cool. 01:56:51 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 01:59:20 ms has quit () 08:11:15 talli has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08:14:00 talli (~talli@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 12:40:41 davb (~dave@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-204.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 13:00:39 hello 13:00:39 privet, davb 13:29:38 markd2 (~Snak@h166-102-041-029.ip.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 13:34:24 Psychephylax (nblyumbe@ool-18bd7775.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #openacs 13:34:27 Morning 13:39:26 'moaning 13:40:42 Hey mark 13:40:47 * Psychephylax gives mark a bagel 13:46:03 not impressed with the bagel? 13:46:17 hi Psychephylax 13:46:20 its not a cookie 13:54:58 markdfoo (~Snak@h166-102-041-176.ip.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 13:55:12 * Psychephylax gives Mark a cookie 13:55:16 Hi Dave 13:55:39 cookies! 13:56:06 :) 14:00:57 markd2 has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14:01:04 markdfoo is now known as markd2 14:01:41 this sucks 14:01:52 I have 0 motivation to do ANY work today 14:01:59 amen brotha 14:03:56 heh, want to hack VBA for me? 14:13:39 morning all 14:13:48 * rbm would rather be sleeping than studying :-) 14:14:26 * davb would rather be studying than hacking VBA 14:14:49 amen to that too 14:33:25 markd2 has quit ("wheeeee") 14:36:50 markd2 (~markd2@h166-102-041-176.ip.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 15:02:10 morning 15:02:17 hi til 15:02:26 heya 15:03:37 i have a little cvs trouble: i commited a fix in the spam package by accident not for the intended beta branch 15:03:51 now HEAD is 1.2, and beta is 1.1 15:04:33 could i do cvs tag myself and move the beta tag forward? 15:19:55 * davb does not know 15:20:07 infiltration of dotlrn starting... 15:20:27 maybe anyway. at least one other person, including the big boss has looked at dotlrn.mit.edu anyway. 15:52:22 brb 16:09:11 k2pts (~nkd@213.149.180.151) has joined #openacs 16:09:27 hi k2pts 16:09:39 hey dave 16:09:50 what's the word in the openacs land? :) 16:11:00 hiya! 16:11:07 vba sucks 16:11:13 hey markd2 16:20:03 has anyone else ever used VB? 16:20:08 I think I need a book :) 16:20:21 Happily I've avoided most major MS technologies so far 16:20:35 lucky you. 16:20:40 this is what they are paying me for. 16:20:51 but I still might be able to sneak in dotlrn or openacs ... 16:21:11 you are computer illiterated in cyprus (and greece) if you don't use ms tools...no kidding here 16:21:29 I don't know of anyone else beside me using postgresql in cyprus 16:21:47 most of the software development is done with ms tools 16:22:37 I am sure I am doing something stupid... 16:22:55 maybe I'll stop at borders on lunch to "browse" 16:38:52 davb has quit () 16:39:28 davb (~dave@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-204.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 16:46:18 * davb is going to lunch 16:59:14 k2pts has left #openacs 17:03:09 talli has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17:04:25 Connection reset by beer 17:55:33 oacs-logger (nobody@xd84b5c5a.ip.ggn.net) has joined #openacs 17:55:33 topic is: OpenACS | Free Web Toolkit | Testers Needed: http://213.107.207.131:8000 17:55:33 Users on #openacs: oacs-logger talli davb Psychephylax rbm GEM til _djg_ tontsa oacs-chump shagster paje 17:55:33 [#openacs] This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 17:56:28 we're just doing a bit of system arrangement 17:56:58 we're hosting a netbsd package server, and the netbsd developer/sysadmin had to move the hubs around a bit 17:59:08 markd2 (~Snak@h166-102-041-176.ip.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 18:01:11 talli has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:01:11 talilee (~talli@xd84b5c59.ip.ggn.net) has joined #openacs 18:02:16 talilee: i didn't know you were such a free software mogul 18:04:53 talilee is now known as talli 18:05:02 davb: there's much you don't know about me 18:05:34 * talli puts the finishing touches on his mascara, checks his hose and slips into his pumps before heading to the brothel 18:06:47 * davb starts to change his mind about the openacs "social" 18:07:02 haha 18:10:29 just bring cash 18:11:53 and you're own pasties 18:12:05 hey markd2, you're near Pittsburgh? 18:12:55 talli has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:14:38 uh, yeah 18:17:44 talli (~talli@xd84b5c59.ip.ggn.net) has joined #openacs 18:17:52 yep, I'm near Pittsboigh 18:19:56 do you want to have an Pitt OACS social? 18:20:05 I think I'd go blind if I did that 18:20:10 since it'd just be me 18:20:36 unless there's other oacs goons in this area 18:20:48 what about all of your wplug bots? (and i do mean bots) 18:21:00 they're all php or java heads 18:21:03 there must be plenty of nerds in pitt that would come out for beer and nerd talk 18:21:11 mmmm... beer... 18:21:19 folks can come out this way 18:21:29 visit the farm and "play" with the cows and chickens 18:21:32 no goats, sorry 18:21:48 * talli is taken aback 18:21:56 *NO* goats? 18:22:06 nope 18:22:10 that's why I get all my goat action on the channel 18:23:06 ok, well wherever. a social in the pitt area might be cool 18:23:11 get some more nerds together 18:23:27 to tcl some bots, if ya catch my drift 18:23:29 come down and give a talk to our LUG 18:23:55 so you can throw tomatoes at me? 18:24:53 well. pierogies 18:25:10 make it a cheese steak and i will wear my thong 18:27:12 dressing up for the occasion? we'd be honored! 18:39:38 denshi (~chatzilla@adsl-216-62-223-193.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) has joined #openacs 18:42:35 no anarchy here? 18:46:15 denshi has quit () 18:48:22 dang! and I just got my mohawk arranged 19:09:36 http://www.conceptlabs.co.uk/alicebob.html 19:09:36 E: http://www.conceptlabs.co.uk/alicebob.html from markd2 19:09:36 <_djg_> _djg_ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:09:45 E:| The *real* story of Alice and Bob 19:09:45 titled item E 19:16:04 markd2 has quit ("wheeeee") 19:54:46 hmmm, i can't pass something like an array of list in VB, this sucks 19:55:28 you can pass a reference to an object, but when the function completes the object disappears, making the reference invalid 20:04:40 davb: why are you using VB? 20:05:22 btw, i've decided to learn netbsd 20:06:13 this weekend i installed RH on a PII200 with 32 mbs of ram and 2 GB of HD 20:06:18 access development. 20:06:25 ugly 20:06:27 metnsd is way cooler 20:06:34 it almost pays the bills 20:06:47 RH installed 632 MB of libraries and crap 20:06:52 ack 20:07:10 I like debian. you can install a nice minimal system easily 20:07:19 metnsd? 20:07:19 rumour has it metnsd is way cooler 20:07:27 woah, i need to learn typing. 20:07:29 thanks pahe 20:07:31 thanks paje 20:07:37 paje, thanks 20:07:37 yeah, i didn't have debian handy 20:07:37 davb: de rien 20:07:40 what? 20:07:53 but i thought about gentoo becuase they had a 15MB install disk 20:08:00 that is cool. 20:08:03 but they suggested at least 64MB of ram for install 20:08:09 then i looked at netbsd 20:08:27 they docs said that if you have very little ram, here is a suggestion for how to install 20:08:34 nice. 20:08:50 later on they mention that "very little ram" means less than 4 MB !!! 20:09:06 so i figure those guys must know what they are doing 20:09:21 wow. 20:09:33 also, my friend has been filling me with so much netbsd propoganda, i gotta check it out 20:09:39 maybe i'll try that on my p200 20:10:20 i offered to let him stick a hacked amiga 1u server on office T1 that he's using for amiga port build tests 20:10:39 he hacked a beeeeaaaauuuuut of a box 20:11:04 that is very intersting. 20:12:00 talli: btw, everything is all set for me to attend the boston area social 20:12:11 killer! 20:12:15 do you need a place to crash? 20:12:53 btw, davb, don't try building a dual boot netbsd box 20:13:09 rather, don't dual boot on a winbox with critical info 20:13:15 ok :) 20:13:21 it ate my laptop when i did that 20:13:24 ouch 20:13:34 live and learn ;) 20:13:37 talli: i might need a place to stay overnight. 20:17:03 heh 20:23:00 denshi (~chatzilla@adsl-216-62-223-193.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) has joined #openacs 20:24:39 hi denshi 20:24:59 I'm just here for the mohawks.. where's mark? 20:25:33 snuck out early, its friday afternoon 20:28:42 2 minutes until freedom from MS products for 2 days! 20:30:19 bye 20:30:21 davb has quit () 20:59:05 denshi has quit () 21:27:06 markd2 (~Snak@h166-102-041-155.ip.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 22:23:29 markd2 has quit ("wheeeee") 22:50:53 markd2 (~Snak@h166-102-041-155.ip.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 22:55:24 markd2 has quit (Client Quit)