00:34:45 <davb> http://distancelearn.blogspot.com/
00:34:49 <oacs-chump> A: http://distancelearn.blogspot.com/ from davb
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01:41:08 <denshi> is there a script to import users from acs3 to 4.5?
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02:03:06 <davb> talli: any idea about that converting users script?
02:03:23 <davb> I though I heard of one on the bboard...
02:03:34 <davb> yeah! 
02:03:44 <davb> mail seems to be fixed. aolserver mail is coming through.
02:03:47 <talli> it should be in new-file-manager
02:04:00 <talli> davb: i think your bad mail mojo has moved to us
02:04:02 <davb> cool.
02:04:04 <davb> thanks
02:04:16 <davb> really? sorry. i can't see how I misconfigured YOUR dns :)
02:04:37 <talli> mojo works in mysterious ways
02:04:50 <davb> ah.
02:04:56 <davb> dotlrn demo is still running.
02:05:04 <davb> anyone who wants to see the admin side let me know.
02:05:08 <talli> denshi: btw, i may have to kick your cyber ass for pouring more fuel on the apache fire
02:05:16 <davb> heh
02:05:45 <davb> new-portal is very nice. I will be happy when it is in openacs.
02:07:16 <denshi> let's wait on any ass kicking until we see if there's actually a fire.
02:07:41 <talli> anyway, gotta go to dinner with the folks
02:07:52 <talli> this two weeks in CA has put some soft weight on me
02:08:07 <davb> bye. have fun.
02:08:07 <talli> oh well, one more meal won't hurt...
02:09:35 <davb> hey those just started a couple of weeks ago
02:09:43 <denshi> user xfer script?  anyone?
02:09:52 <talli> ok, bye bye
02:10:00 <davb> did you check new-file-storage at openacs.org?
02:11:56 <davb> i don't see it. denshi, did you know ad_page_contract was backported to openacs 3?
02:12:03 <denshi> yeah
02:12:20 <denshi> quite a long time ago, actually
02:14:10 <davb> time for me to get back to my mission of making acs-workflow a RAD tool
02:14:41 <davb> and get some openacs testing in.
02:16:30 <denshi> I'm remembering why I don't do web design.
02:16:49 <davb> davb has changed the topic to: OpenACS | Free Web Toolkit | Testers Needed: http://213.107.207.131:8000
02:17:00 <davb> design as opposed to programming?
02:23:31 <denshi> yes
02:24:21 <denshi> I understand how to say "i want this block of code to do *this*, and return *that*", but not how to say "I want to *see* *this*"
02:24:26 <davb> ah. its not bad. I am one of those people who is half in the design side and half in the programming side
02:24:57 <davb> who understands each equally well. but only one at a time. there is definitely a task-switching cost
02:25:40 <denshi> i give up.  I'm going home.
02:25:43 <denshi> l8r
02:25:45 <davb> ok.
02:25:50 <denshi> denshi is now known as denshi_away
02:26:02 <davb> if you want to ask design questions anytime let me know...
02:26:03 <davb> oops
02:26:06 <davb> me too
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04:47:32 <talli> hey shagster you around?
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05:05:17 <talli> is anyone home?
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13:37:41 <davb> hi
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14:10:41 <Psychephylax> hey all
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14:21:14 <Psychephylax> hey Mark
14:21:52 <markd2> greets
14:24:27 <markd2> hey davb - for the acs-accept page, you should have a "Phase 3 : Profit!" header
14:24:54 <rbm> ooom
14:26:53 <Psychephylax> ooom!
14:30:25 <rbm> hey psyche
14:33:58 <Psychephylax> Hey Roberto
14:34:06 <Psychephylax> Did you ever get your Soyo Dragon?
14:34:39 <markd2> Dragons for Knights that don't eat meat!
14:35:13 <Psychephylax> lol
14:35:30 <Psychephylax> * Psychephylax stuffs a cookie with Mark's medicine and gives it to Mark
14:35:39 <markd2> thanky
14:35:46 <markd2> I feel much better now
14:37:39 <Psychephylax> :)
14:39:27 <rbm> Psychephylax: No :-(
14:40:43 <Psychephylax> Good
14:40:48 <Psychephylax> there's a better version of it coming out
14:40:57 <Psychephylax> SY-KT333 Soyo Ultra Dragon
14:41:03 <Psychephylax> Via's KT333 chipset
14:41:29 <Psychephylax> USB2, ATA133, DDR333, AGP 8x just to name a few improvements
14:41:47 <Psychephylax> I wanted to buy it...but I got an MSI instead in the meantime
14:58:27 <jim> Hi...
14:59:28 <jim> I'm wondering why ad_context_bar on a "Your Workspace" doesn't have any links?
15:00:11 <jim> if {[ad_conn package_url] == "/"} {
15:00:12 <jim>   set context_bar [ad_context_bar "[ad_pvt_home_name]"]
15:00:12 <jim> } else {
15:00:12 <jim>   set context_bar [ad_context_bar "Home"]
15:00:12 <jim> }
15:01:07 <jim> sorry for flood :) but that's the relevent code in packages/acs-subsite/www/pvt/home.tcl
15:03:44 <jim> ugh, gotta go... could someone email at least me (jim@laney.edu) with at least an idea of what ad_context_bar should have there? tnx...
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15:29:01 <talli> http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/04/10/hackers.chat.rooms/index.html
15:29:02 <oacs-chump> B: http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/04/10/hackers.chat.rooms/index.html from talli
15:30:11 <talli> B: CNN is clued into the markd2 really uses IRC
15:30:11 <oacs-chump> added comment B1
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15:38:19 <Psychephylax> hmm
15:38:21 <Psychephylax> anyone awake?
15:38:35 <davb> hi
15:38:37 <til> * til yawns
15:38:46 <denshi> * denshi drinks coffee
15:39:31 <Psychephylax> hey dave
15:39:41 <Psychephylax> standby...I might have a question
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15:41:46 <rbm> * rbm urinates on all tests, homework, and finals
15:41:48 <rbm> I need to break free!
15:42:36 <denshi> ohh... International Criminal Court ratified today
15:42:43 <denshi> Republican Congressmen threatening to invade the Hague in response
15:46:12 <davb> * davb stops all activity in anticipation of Psychephylax's question
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15:48:02 <davb> ok, enough of that
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17:32:43 <davb> is 20 pages of code too much to pick 7 random numbers?
17:32:51 <markd2> heh
17:33:00 <davb> I am not kidding.
17:33:03 <markd2> guess it depends on how random they have to be...
17:33:06 <markd2> what language?
17:33:15 <davb> I need to totally rewrite this...
17:33:21 <davb> Visual Basic for Applications
17:33:58 <markd2> for (i = 0; i < 7; i++)   random_nuimber[i] = random() % 35000;
17:34:20 <davb> yeah that is what I would have thought
17:34:37 <davb> also he wrote a new function to generate a random number...
17:35:36 <dwalker> sounds exciting
17:35:59 <dwalker> is this the guy that patented the wheel?
17:36:27 <davb> heh
17:36:37 <davb> ok, I have to start writing this thing...
17:36:45 <davb> </comic relief>
17:38:10 <denshi> dude! you aren't done yet?  it's only one line, <i>and mark gave you the line!</i>
17:38:24 <markd2> heh
17:40:40 <denshi> oh, wait, markd2 added a typo.  that'll be $20,000 in debugging time.
17:41:12 <markd2> heh
17:41:20 <markd2> typo?  what typo?
17:42:01 <denshi> random_nuimber..... there goes all those consulting fees.
17:42:09 <Psychephylax> hmmm
17:42:51 <markd2> it's Hungarian Nomenclature
17:43:00 <Psychephylax> ?
17:43:37 <markd2> ever heard of hungarian notation?
17:43:45 <Psychephylax> yep
17:43:57 <markd2> a take off on that
17:44:02 <Psychephylax> Yours isn't Hungarian Nomenclature
17:44:08 <Psychephylax> That's polish reverse notation
17:44:29 <markd2> rolish perverse notation
17:44:43 <Psychephylax> Yeah, them Rolish people are really perverse
17:47:09 <Psychephylax> Has MySQL gone past transactions yet?
17:47:18 <Psychephylax> and row locking instead of table locking?
17:48:22 <denshi> use innodb for that
17:49:50 <Psychephylax> ?
17:51:15 <denshi> innodb is one of the table handler back-ends for mysql.
17:51:49 <denshi> they have a modular table driver system.  actually, postgres does too, but postgres has a good table driver, so no one cares.
17:53:48 <Psychephylax> lol
17:55:02 <denshi> kuro5hin has been running on it, and they've seen major speed increase, but have had a lot of bad crashes and table corruption.
17:55:29 <dwalker> anyone ever tried to set up postgres read-only?
17:55:33 <denshi> I guess there are enough weak links in mysql to go around.
17:59:36 <dwalker> I've been thinking about setting up 2 postgres installs on separate machines pointing to the same data.  one of them read-only and one read-write
17:59:41 <denshi> I for one have never tried it.  do you think you'll see fantastic speed gains?
18:00:23 <dwalker> I dunno.  I'm thinking about scalability in a mostly reading environment
18:02:40 <markd2> in oracle-land that wouldn't be ae great idea
18:02:53 <markd2> you'd just let the single instance have more memory so it can cache more disk  blocks
18:03:20 <markd2> * markd2 just notices the 'seperate machines' thing
18:03:22 <markd2> never mind
18:04:31 <dwalker> I was thinking of scsi or gigabit ethernet to share the filesystem
18:06:37 <markd2> consistancy of data is the big bugaboo
18:07:50 <dwalker> if all the writes go to a single system wouldn't that be enough?
18:08:31 <markd2> nope
18:08:45 <markd2> what if you're reading block A from the read-only system while the read-write system is in the process of writing to it
18:09:03 <markd2> if your database blocks are > OS block size, you could get an inconsistent read
18:09:22 <markd2> (coming from oracle-land. I don't know enough postgresql to comment too intellegenlty there :-)
18:09:36 <dwalker> I appreciate the comments 
18:09:46 <markd2> m'pleasure
18:09:49 <dwalker> I suspect they're close enough to be worthwhile
18:10:02 <markd2> yeah.  a lot depends on the application
18:10:24 <dwalker> the comments I mean
18:11:25 <davb> if I have a table with a list of people, and I need 10 boolean columns to describe some attributes, but only some of the people need these columns, should I split it off to a sepearte table?
18:11:38 <davb> we are talking about 400 rows here, so it probably doesn't really matter...
18:12:17 <markd2> yeah
18:12:27 <markd2> that'll keep you from having to mess with 'is not null'
18:13:28 <davb> ok, thanks
18:13:41 <davb> i need to get a datamodeling book one of these days...
18:16:26 <dwalker> I just had an image of Lt Cmdr Data in a tuxedo looking at a watch
18:16:36 <davb> heh
18:16:56 <markd2> Ol' Yellow Eyes is back
18:24:15 <dwalker> bbl
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18:35:31 <markd2> hibye
18:37:41 <denshi> neo neglects us
18:48:34 <davb> * davb misses variable interpolation
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22:58:25 <rbm> ooom?
23:04:36 <davb> moo
23:09:05 <rbm> hey davb
23:10:50 <davb> * davb checks to see if DSL Is available yet...
23:11:16 <davb> nope
23:11:23 <davb> darn, I am too far from the CO. 
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23:14:07 <davb> hi ms
23:14:18 <ms> evenin'
23:15:46 <ms> still looking at general comments, davb
23:16:11 <ms> wondering why that package is not subsite aware. doesn't seem too tough.
23:18:26 <davb> general comments inproperly uses context_id and parent_id i think.
23:18:52 <davb> context_id should be the folder where general-comments is mounted for the pacakge object I think...
23:19:19 <davb> ad the comments context_id shoudl be the general comments package_id
23:19:23 <davb> or something like that.
23:19:56 <ms> looking into it. strangely, it looks like old queries that have been deprecated in the package use package_id.
23:20:23 <ms> i sent a note to pascal who ported it asking him about that.
23:21:09 <ms> are you the maintainer for static pages?
23:22:14 <davb> I ported it, I was trying to hand it off to someone else :) I know the code.
23:37:20 <ms> was there ever talk about making static pages subsite aware?
23:44:17 <davb> yes, but we never worked on it.
23:44:30 <davb> Does it not have a parameter for the directory to scan?
23:44:42 <davb> I think you could use that and mount it multiple times.
23:51:29 <ms> i guess i was thinking about where the admin has a choice to make certain files commentable
23:52:01 <ms> might be nice if that could be delegated, especially where domain based subsites are concerned. no?
23:56:51 <davb> sure.
23:57:32 <davb> I think if you did not mount static pages at he main site root, it would work in each directory if you set the starting directory...
23:59:00 <davb> ah, nm
23:59:04 <davb> we never programmed that in.
23:59:31 <davb> its hard coded. it wouldn't be too hard to change it to accept a parameter, or get the directory from the folder that it is mounted in.
23:59:47 <davb> * davb releuctantly learns VB