IRC log of openacs on 2002-04-11

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00:34:45 [davb]
http://distancelearn.blogspot.com/
00:34:49 [oacs-chump]
A: http://distancelearn.blogspot.com/ from davb
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01:41:08 [denshi]
is there a script to import users from acs3 to 4.5?
01:51:22 [abbaJ]
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02:03:06 [davb]
talli: any idea about that converting users script?
02:03:23 [davb]
I though I heard of one on the bboard...
02:03:34 [davb]
yeah!
02:03:44 [davb]
mail seems to be fixed. aolserver mail is coming through.
02:03:47 [talli]
it should be in new-file-manager
02:04:00 [talli]
davb: i think your bad mail mojo has moved to us
02:04:02 [davb]
cool.
02:04:04 [davb]
thanks
02:04:16 [davb]
really? sorry. i can't see how I misconfigured YOUR dns :)
02:04:37 [talli]
mojo works in mysterious ways
02:04:50 [davb]
ah.
02:04:56 [davb]
dotlrn demo is still running.
02:05:04 [davb]
anyone who wants to see the admin side let me know.
02:05:08 [talli]
denshi: btw, i may have to kick your cyber ass for pouring more fuel on the apache fire
02:05:16 [davb]
heh
02:05:45 [davb]
new-portal is very nice. I will be happy when it is in openacs.
02:07:16 [denshi]
let's wait on any ass kicking until we see if there's actually a fire.
02:07:41 [talli]
anyway, gotta go to dinner with the folks
02:07:52 [talli]
this two weeks in CA has put some soft weight on me
02:08:07 [davb]
bye. have fun.
02:08:07 [talli]
oh well, one more meal won't hurt...
02:09:35 [davb]
hey those just started a couple of weeks ago
02:09:43 [denshi]
user xfer script? anyone?
02:09:52 [talli]
ok, bye bye
02:10:00 [davb]
did you check new-file-storage at openacs.org?
02:11:56 [davb]
i don't see it. denshi, did you know ad_page_contract was backported to openacs 3?
02:12:03 [denshi]
yeah
02:12:20 [denshi]
quite a long time ago, actually
02:14:10 [davb]
time for me to get back to my mission of making acs-workflow a RAD tool
02:14:41 [davb]
and get some openacs testing in.
02:16:30 [denshi]
I'm remembering why I don't do web design.
02:16:49 [davb]
davb has changed the topic to: OpenACS | Free Web Toolkit | Testers Needed: http://213.107.207.131:8000
02:17:00 [davb]
design as opposed to programming?
02:23:31 [denshi]
yes
02:24:21 [denshi]
I understand how to say "i want this block of code to do *this*, and return *that*", but not how to say "I want to *see* *this*"
02:24:26 [davb]
ah. its not bad. I am one of those people who is half in the design side and half in the programming side
02:24:57 [davb]
who understands each equally well. but only one at a time. there is definitely a task-switching cost
02:25:40 [denshi]
i give up. I'm going home.
02:25:43 [denshi]
l8r
02:25:45 [davb]
ok.
02:25:50 [denshi]
denshi is now known as denshi_away
02:26:02 [davb]
if you want to ask design questions anytime let me know...
02:26:03 [davb]
oops
02:26:06 [davb]
me too
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03:03:33 [markd2]
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04:47:32 [talli]
hey shagster you around?
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05:05:17 [talli]
is anyone home?
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13:37:41 [davb]
hi
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14:10:41 [Psychephylax]
hey all
14:20:41 [markd2]
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14:21:14 [Psychephylax]
hey Mark
14:21:52 [markd2]
greets
14:24:27 [markd2]
hey davb - for the acs-accept page, you should have a "Phase 3 : Profit!" header
14:24:54 [rbm]
ooom
14:26:53 [Psychephylax]
ooom!
14:30:25 [rbm]
hey psyche
14:33:58 [Psychephylax]
Hey Roberto
14:34:06 [Psychephylax]
Did you ever get your Soyo Dragon?
14:34:39 [markd2]
Dragons for Knights that don't eat meat!
14:35:13 [Psychephylax]
lol
14:35:30 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax stuffs a cookie with Mark's medicine and gives it to Mark
14:35:39 [markd2]
thanky
14:35:46 [markd2]
I feel much better now
14:37:39 [Psychephylax]
:)
14:39:27 [rbm]
Psychephylax: No :-(
14:40:43 [Psychephylax]
Good
14:40:48 [Psychephylax]
there's a better version of it coming out
14:40:57 [Psychephylax]
SY-KT333 Soyo Ultra Dragon
14:41:03 [Psychephylax]
Via's KT333 chipset
14:41:29 [Psychephylax]
USB2, ATA133, DDR333, AGP 8x just to name a few improvements
14:41:47 [Psychephylax]
I wanted to buy it...but I got an MSI instead in the meantime
14:58:27 [jim]
Hi...
14:59:28 [jim]
I'm wondering why ad_context_bar on a "Your Workspace" doesn't have any links?
15:00:11 [jim]
if {[ad_conn package_url] == "/"} {
15:00:12 [jim]
set context_bar [ad_context_bar "[ad_pvt_home_name]"]
15:00:12 [jim]
} else {
15:00:12 [jim]
set context_bar [ad_context_bar "Home"]
15:00:12 [jim]
}
15:01:07 [jim]
sorry for flood :) but that's the relevent code in packages/acs-subsite/www/pvt/home.tcl
15:03:44 [jim]
ugh, gotta go... could someone email at least me (jim@laney.edu) with at least an idea of what ad_context_bar should have there? tnx...
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15:29:01 [talli]
http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/04/10/hackers.chat.rooms/index.html
15:29:02 [oacs-chump]
B: http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/internet/04/10/hackers.chat.rooms/index.html from talli
15:30:11 [talli]
B: CNN is clued into the markd2 really uses IRC
15:30:11 [oacs-chump]
added comment B1
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15:38:19 [Psychephylax]
hmm
15:38:21 [Psychephylax]
anyone awake?
15:38:35 [davb]
hi
15:38:37 [til]
* til yawns
15:38:46 [denshi]
* denshi drinks coffee
15:39:31 [Psychephylax]
hey dave
15:39:41 [Psychephylax]
standby...I might have a question
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* rbm urinates on all tests, homework, and finals
15:41:48 [rbm]
I need to break free!
15:42:36 [denshi]
ohh... International Criminal Court ratified today
15:42:43 [denshi]
Republican Congressmen threatening to invade the Hague in response
15:46:12 [davb]
* davb stops all activity in anticipation of Psychephylax's question
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* rbm watches as davb goes into a state of suspended animation
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15:48:02 [davb]
ok, enough of that
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17:32:43 [davb]
is 20 pages of code too much to pick 7 random numbers?
17:32:51 [markd2]
heh
17:33:00 [davb]
I am not kidding.
17:33:03 [markd2]
guess it depends on how random they have to be...
17:33:06 [markd2]
what language?
17:33:15 [davb]
I need to totally rewrite this...
17:33:21 [davb]
Visual Basic for Applications
17:33:58 [markd2]
for (i = 0; i < 7; i++) random_nuimber[i] = random() % 35000;
17:34:20 [davb]
yeah that is what I would have thought
17:34:37 [davb]
also he wrote a new function to generate a random number...
17:35:36 [dwalker]
sounds exciting
17:35:59 [dwalker]
is this the guy that patented the wheel?
17:36:27 [davb]
heh
17:36:37 [davb]
ok, I have to start writing this thing...
17:36:45 [davb]
</comic relief>
17:38:10 [denshi]
dude! you aren't done yet? it's only one line, <i>and mark gave you the line!</i>
17:38:24 [markd2]
heh
17:40:40 [denshi]
oh, wait, markd2 added a typo. that'll be $20,000 in debugging time.
17:41:12 [markd2]
heh
17:41:20 [markd2]
typo? what typo?
17:42:01 [denshi]
random_nuimber..... there goes all those consulting fees.
17:42:09 [Psychephylax]
hmmm
17:42:51 [markd2]
it's Hungarian Nomenclature
17:43:00 [Psychephylax]
?
17:43:37 [markd2]
ever heard of hungarian notation?
17:43:45 [Psychephylax]
yep
17:43:57 [markd2]
a take off on that
17:44:02 [Psychephylax]
Yours isn't Hungarian Nomenclature
17:44:08 [Psychephylax]
That's polish reverse notation
17:44:29 [markd2]
rolish perverse notation
17:44:43 [Psychephylax]
Yeah, them Rolish people are really perverse
17:47:09 [Psychephylax]
Has MySQL gone past transactions yet?
17:47:18 [Psychephylax]
and row locking instead of table locking?
17:48:22 [denshi]
use innodb for that
17:49:50 [Psychephylax]
?
17:51:15 [denshi]
innodb is one of the table handler back-ends for mysql.
17:51:49 [denshi]
they have a modular table driver system. actually, postgres does too, but postgres has a good table driver, so no one cares.
17:53:48 [Psychephylax]
lol
17:55:02 [denshi]
kuro5hin has been running on it, and they've seen major speed increase, but have had a lot of bad crashes and table corruption.
17:55:29 [dwalker]
anyone ever tried to set up postgres read-only?
17:55:33 [denshi]
I guess there are enough weak links in mysql to go around.
17:59:36 [dwalker]
I've been thinking about setting up 2 postgres installs on separate machines pointing to the same data. one of them read-only and one read-write
17:59:41 [denshi]
I for one have never tried it. do you think you'll see fantastic speed gains?
18:00:23 [dwalker]
I dunno. I'm thinking about scalability in a mostly reading environment
18:02:40 [markd2]
in oracle-land that wouldn't be ae great idea
18:02:53 [markd2]
you'd just let the single instance have more memory so it can cache more disk blocks
18:03:20 [markd2]
* markd2 just notices the 'seperate machines' thing
18:03:22 [markd2]
never mind
18:04:31 [dwalker]
I was thinking of scsi or gigabit ethernet to share the filesystem
18:06:37 [markd2]
consistancy of data is the big bugaboo
18:07:50 [dwalker]
if all the writes go to a single system wouldn't that be enough?
18:08:31 [markd2]
nope
18:08:45 [markd2]
what if you're reading block A from the read-only system while the read-write system is in the process of writing to it
18:09:03 [markd2]
if your database blocks are > OS block size, you could get an inconsistent read
18:09:22 [markd2]
(coming from oracle-land. I don't know enough postgresql to comment too intellegenlty there :-)
18:09:36 [dwalker]
I appreciate the comments
18:09:46 [markd2]
m'pleasure
18:09:49 [dwalker]
I suspect they're close enough to be worthwhile
18:10:02 [markd2]
yeah. a lot depends on the application
18:10:24 [dwalker]
the comments I mean
18:11:25 [davb]
if I have a table with a list of people, and I need 10 boolean columns to describe some attributes, but only some of the people need these columns, should I split it off to a sepearte table?
18:11:38 [davb]
we are talking about 400 rows here, so it probably doesn't really matter...
18:12:17 [markd2]
yeah
18:12:27 [markd2]
that'll keep you from having to mess with 'is not null'
18:13:28 [davb]
ok, thanks
18:13:41 [davb]
i need to get a datamodeling book one of these days...
18:16:26 [dwalker]
I just had an image of Lt Cmdr Data in a tuxedo looking at a watch
18:16:36 [davb]
heh
18:16:56 [markd2]
Ol' Yellow Eyes is back
18:24:15 [dwalker]
bbl
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18:35:31 [markd2]
hibye
18:37:41 [denshi]
neo neglects us
18:48:34 [davb]
* davb misses variable interpolation
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22:58:25 [rbm]
ooom?
23:04:36 [davb]
moo
23:09:05 [rbm]
hey davb
23:10:50 [davb]
* davb checks to see if DSL Is available yet...
23:11:16 [davb]
nope
23:11:23 [davb]
darn, I am too far from the CO.
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23:14:07 [davb]
hi ms
23:14:18 [ms]
evenin'
23:15:46 [ms]
still looking at general comments, davb
23:16:11 [ms]
wondering why that package is not subsite aware. doesn't seem too tough.
23:18:26 [davb]
general comments inproperly uses context_id and parent_id i think.
23:18:52 [davb]
context_id should be the folder where general-comments is mounted for the pacakge object I think...
23:19:19 [davb]
ad the comments context_id shoudl be the general comments package_id
23:19:23 [davb]
or something like that.
23:19:56 [ms]
looking into it. strangely, it looks like old queries that have been deprecated in the package use package_id.
23:20:23 [ms]
i sent a note to pascal who ported it asking him about that.
23:21:09 [ms]
are you the maintainer for static pages?
23:22:14 [davb]
I ported it, I was trying to hand it off to someone else :) I know the code.
23:37:20 [ms]
was there ever talk about making static pages subsite aware?
23:44:17 [davb]
yes, but we never worked on it.
23:44:30 [davb]
Does it not have a parameter for the directory to scan?
23:44:42 [davb]
I think you could use that and mount it multiple times.
23:51:29 [ms]
i guess i was thinking about where the admin has a choice to make certain files commentable
23:52:01 [ms]
might be nice if that could be delegated, especially where domain based subsites are concerned. no?
23:56:51 [davb]
sure.
23:57:32 [davb]
I think if you did not mount static pages at he main site root, it would work in each directory if you set the starting directory...
23:59:00 [davb]
ah, nm
23:59:04 [davb]
we never programmed that in.
23:59:31 [davb]
its hard coded. it wouldn't be too hard to change it to accept a parameter, or get the directory from the folder that it is mounted in.
23:59:47 [davb]
* davb releuctantly learns VB