00:11:43 Uggh! disk errors on the computer that I just installed 4.5 on :-( 00:13:26 talli (~talli@dsl092-013-011.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #openacs 00:14:12 markd2: docwolf is corrupting me with macguyver slash fiction 00:16:08 and have you seen his pictures? 00:16:22 oh man 00:16:46 i thought you were at the bottom of this (no pun intended... or maybe so) 00:18:09 adcnet (~rperazzo@a200042089178.rev.prima.com.ar) has joined #openacs 00:18:18 adcnet has left #openacs 00:18:54 I'm as much of a victim as you are 00:22:09 this group is getting sicker by the day 00:28:56 It's a sick, sick world, and I'm a happy guy 00:29:08 talli: *ouch*! My brain hurts even thinking about that.... 00:29:36 I knew hiding in a farmhouse in rural Pennsylvania would warp markd's mind. 00:29:51 someone say docwolf/rzolf slash? 00:29:56 LOL 00:30:32 docwolf is feeding perverted slash from around the net 00:30:33 doesn't slash have to be fiction? 00:30:33 http://members.tripod.com/~Varoneeka/contents.htm 00:30:38 A: http://members.tripod.com/~Varoneeka/contents.htm from talli 00:30:54 A: comes with Dear Prudence midi and P/Q slash. docwolf is responsible 00:30:54 added comment A1 00:31:48 good point 00:32:00 P/Q? 00:32:13 but since juanqie farkas is not quite ready for the truth, they aren't totally out 00:32:15 Picard/Q 00:32:18 ah 00:32:20 eww 00:32:27 lucikly that page crashes my browser 00:32:34 time to submit the link to the folks who make it 00:32:48 "yeah, when I read this online porn, my browser crashes. can you check it out." 00:33:20 http://www.kardasi.com/bobw/index.htm 00:33:20 B: http://www.kardasi.com/bobw/index.htm from talli 00:33:26 rzolf (~rolf@badgertronics.com) has joined #openacs 00:33:30 B: iguana + chihuahua + slash 00:33:30 added comment B1 00:33:31 docwolf (~docwolf@adsl-34-2-15.mia.bellsouth.net) has joined #openacs 00:33:54 uh oh. 00:33:57 heh 00:34:03 the Ambiguously Geek Duo 00:34:11 i bet it would be easy to search and replace all slash fiction on the net and replace kirk with docwolf and spock with rzolf 00:34:12 ahem. 00:34:24 google could do it. they can do everything 00:34:28 http://www.kardasi.com/bobw/index.htm 00:34:29 C: http://www.kardasi.com/bobw/index.htm from docwolf 00:34:30 rzolf: "using an iguana in that way would be illogical" 00:34:35 good luck trying to replace that 00:35:22 it must take all the romance out of teh relationship now that you two live together, huh? 00:35:31 i mean, at least for the slash 00:35:46 yes, slash is only exciting 00:35:50 when an outsider is brought in. 00:35:58 we need to write david eison into the script, or something 00:36:03 especially an evil one 00:36:05 oh man 00:36:05 *that* will spice it up. 00:36:31 i bet the steam in those stories could peel the frat stick right off the 'vette 00:36:32 or maybe a guest appearance by richard li, in a loincloth 00:36:46 do they make loinclothes that small? 00:37:02 or a camel scene 00:37:21 in a tent? 00:38:08 or that leather "wigwam" 00:38:25 ok, according to the rules of slash fiction 00:38:30 (i am now an expert) 00:38:35 if you are leet 00:38:35 *shudder* 00:38:35 isnt slash the guitarist from g n r. 00:38:39 you make up multiple pairings 00:38:50 I thought it was that Taco / Cowboy Kneeling thing 00:38:57 only the most leet can pair up someone like checkov/harry kim 00:39:03 yikes 00:39:25 edward tufte/jakob nielsen 00:39:29 haha 00:39:35 rzolf / 00:39:39 spolsky/dave winer 00:39:42 unpairable! 00:39:50 au pairable 00:40:12 think outside the box.... 00:40:16 harryg/allen shaheen 00:40:43 eve/everyone else at the office 00:40:44 oops. 00:40:50 rolf: that ain't fiction 00:40:53 that's already happened 00:40:56 :'( 00:41:05 wait. i wasn't in on that. 00:41:18 she knew you were too much man 00:41:20 was that when i had to buff alex. 00:41:37 where do you think that Vegetarian Jerky came from? 00:41:48 hey just today i was breaking down some cardboard boxes in the garage. and it brought me back to arsdigita days. 00:41:50 (wait... rzolf *is* sentient cheese) 00:42:24 MIT/humility 00:43:04 jesse ventura / ann coulter 00:43:17 ann coulter / me 00:43:36 rolf/that girl at the starbucks who gives free coffee 00:43:51 rzolf / miatas 00:44:06 paje / loggy 00:44:07 dude. i dont need the miata anymore. 00:44:07 markd2: i'm not following you... 00:44:09 doc, does she know she's chasing an impossibility? 00:44:16 i got a sweet stationwagon. 00:44:26 the kids must love it 00:44:38 rolf's hoopty rocks the mic. 00:44:45 docwolf / noisy PC 00:45:04 talli. do you hang out at max fish. 00:45:26 dunno what that is. sounds familiar 00:45:28 should i? 00:45:33 yeah i think so. 00:45:40 it is a bar over on ludlow. 00:45:48 oh. 00:45:50 where hipsters hang out. 00:45:57 i'm not a hipster 00:46:02 s/hip/ham/ 00:46:08 heheh. 00:46:18 its pretty cool. but i dont know if it is still cool. 00:46:23 probably not 00:46:24 there is an art gallery there too. 00:46:36 lower east side is so hip it's uncool 00:46:43 it is old though. like it didn't just become trendy. it was trendy in the 70s. 00:47:00 lotsa indie rockers with too much irony 00:47:10 yeah the upper west side is the new hip area. 00:47:21 at least they have nice loafers 00:47:35 i've decided to let Heeb decide what is cool and what is not for me 00:47:47 what is heeb. 00:48:21 "Heeb Magazine: The New Jew Review, a national quarterly of arts, culture and progressive politics for Jews in their 20s and 30s." 00:48:24 that is what jewish skater/hip-hop type kids call each other. 00:48:41 oh it is a magazine too. 00:48:44 sweet. 00:48:48 Ask Jeebs 00:48:48 also, it's an embarrassing thing 00:48:54 does it have any slash fiction? 00:49:02 sharon/arafat 00:49:02 ? 00:49:15 backed by the one and only jew, spielberg 00:49:19 my friends and I refer to each other as gents. which is short for gentiles. 00:50:24 glad to hear you respect us so much that you are willing to negatively identify yourselves. 00:50:30 just as us zionists do 00:50:36 * talli cries for the world 00:50:56 * markd2 sacrifices some oxen in the temple 00:50:57 paje, cry for talli 00:50:58 denshi: i'm not following you... 00:51:15 i need to go sacrifice my stomach lining to some caffiene. 00:51:24 paje, cry for talli is weeps and wails and tears his tunic 00:51:25 OK, markd2. 00:51:25 yes 00:51:33 and on that note, i will leave you with the quote of the day 00:51:35 paje, cry for talli 00:51:35 * paje weeps and wails and tears his tunic 00:51:41 paje, botsnak 00:51:42 * paje eats paje's botsnak, and part of paje's arm too. Sorry. 00:51:53 paje, deadbeef 00:51:53 rzolf: what? 00:51:56 paje, how many arms do you have? 00:51:56 talli: i don't know 00:52:00 "Unless you've gone California, Greg, and have been living on sprouts 00:52:00 since the last time I saw you, I think you might be far too heavy 00:52:00 for this trip. 00:52:05 " 00:52:07 catch ya later. 00:52:09 :'( 00:53:38 * talli pauses for a self-aggrandizing moment 00:53:46 qotd: "Don't think of it as a flame---it's more like an argument that does 3d6 fire damage" 00:53:48 it's my birthday. today, i am better than all of you. 00:53:55 except for loggy 00:53:57 hap hap happy 00:53:58 he's still better 00:54:03 paje, cry for talli's advanced age. 00:54:03 denshi: i'm not following you... 00:54:24 paje, cry for denshi's insignificant manhood 00:54:24 talli: excuse me? 00:54:30 that's what she said 00:55:01 we need a far more powerful pajebot. 01:00:34 i'm forgetting my binaries 01:00:44 1024 = 2^10, right? 01:00:52 or is it 2^12? 01:02:38 10 01:02:42 paje 2^10 01:02:42 8 01:03:04 paje, 2^(10) 01:03:04 8 01:03:21 paje, 2 ^ 10 01:03:21 8 01:03:30 paje, whose math are you using? 01:03:30 talli: i don't know 01:03:33 figures 01:03:43 paje, 2(10) 01:03:43 talli: huh? 01:03:47 hmmm... 01:03:55 paje, 2*20 01:03:56 40 01:04:06 paje, 10^2 01:04:07 8 01:04:25 paje, @^0 01:04:26 talli: huh? 01:04:31 paje, 2^0 01:04:31 2 01:07:25 2 ** 10 01:07:33 ah.. thanks 01:07:34 paje, 2 ** 10 01:07:34 1024 01:07:42 ^ is bitwise OR I think 01:20:20 i'm the bitwise or 01:20:32 you're a bitwise oar 01:20:39 * markd2 extends his bitwise aura 01:22:02 dave winer needs to be banned from the interweb. 01:22:22 with a very heavy clue by four, i would say 01:22:39 did i say i? i meant he would say 01:23:32 i have successfully avoided every "blog" since march 1. 01:23:38 except badgertronics blog. 01:23:55 badgertronics is not really a blog. it's more a shrine 01:24:06 returning to it is like returning to a place of worship and calm 01:24:14 except without the porn 01:24:38 porn good 01:24:41 interweb bad 01:25:04 the InterWeb is more powerful than you or i. 01:25:27 why does major-domo suck so much as a mailing list manager? 01:25:40 why is it so hard to friggin' sign up for digest? 01:27:52 KDE3 good 01:27:59 Hercules slash fiction bad 01:28:04 very, very bad. 01:28:11 http://www.geocities.com/kaylafic/stories/xena/ 01:28:11 D: http://www.geocities.com/kaylafic/stories/xena/ from docwolf 01:30:11 talli: Hmm. I've never had trouble with signing up for a majordomo list or digest form... 01:31:23 yeah, i guess i'm just bitching because mailman is easier to sign up for 01:35:13 D: docwolf continues sharing his preeversions with with the good (and clean) folks of the oacs community 01:35:13 added comment D1 01:38:55 Don't know that I've dealt with mailman, so I could not comment :-) 01:40:14 Hmm. I should see about photo-album or something allowing group-entered photo captions, to simplify the problems of friends who take too many digital pictures at conventions 01:40:32 rm -r 01:40:32 don't let this group at it 01:40:39 otherwise it'll turn into the Dysfunctional Family Circus 01:41:10 i don't think he has to worry about that 01:41:17 rbm seems to have recursively removed us 01:41:24 i think we're powerless to do anything 01:41:27 hehe. 01:42:48 markd: so I see 01:44:40 who here would buy a redbull type energy drink called "gitdown" 01:44:48 http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=579&ncid=762&e=1&u=/nm/20020409/en_nm/life_bloomberg_pot_dc 01:44:49 E: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=579&ncid=762&e=1&u=/nm/20020409/en_nm/life_bloomberg_pot_dc from talli 01:44:55 E: my mayor smokes pot 01:44:55 added comment E1 01:45:00 haha. 01:45:03 ugh. 01:45:14 i need to catch up on my back issues of national review. 01:45:45 rzolf: i would, if i wore baggy cargo shorts, wore ironic tshirts and worshipped tony alva 01:46:10 tony alva is a dental hygenist. 01:46:24 i sat in traffic school behind tony alva 01:46:32 whoa really. 01:46:38 yes i did 01:46:40 in hawaii. 01:46:51 no, in the Inland Empire of Southern Cal 01:46:56 ok 01:47:10 i thought he had moved to hawaii. i guess he's a mega big-wave surfer now. 01:47:19 his knees and back sort of blew up. 01:47:30 and apparently surfing isn't that bad. 01:47:34 on your joints. 01:47:45 should i go for the energy drink. 01:47:47 or. 01:47:56 the "kava" laced beverage. 01:48:26 my goal is to make gitdown one of the hugest brands in existence. 01:48:47 energy drink 01:48:57 although, be careful. i assume you're using docwolf's brew 01:49:14 and it seems like selling some sort of sugared water is the easiest way to make a successful ROI. 01:49:25 he might try and stash some encrypted, subliminal slash on the tags 01:53:57 has anyone used PGAdmin? 01:54:11 of more interest, has anyone looked at the pgadmin public license? 01:58:14 is it not gpl? 01:58:20 no 01:58:26 they have their own license 01:58:33 that says they have the right to pull it at any time 01:59:04 and can charge 10K if you don't comply 01:59:05 then I take issue with their use of the word "public" 01:59:31 you can use it for internal and non-commercial use, but ... 02:00:16 were it for my own purposes, I'd stay as far away from it as I originally wanted to stay away from oracle... 02:00:29 yeah 02:00:37 sounds like the ADPL 02:01:36 well, ianaa, so I dunno, but I might start myself by comparing pgadmin license to npl and adpl 02:02:52 (with adpl being a single clause and an inclusion of npl by reference, afaict) 02:03:27 8. The pgAdmin Development Team may end the licence agreement for any reason, without notice and without prejudice. In this case the licencee only retains the right to use the software for personal or internal use. Within 10 days of notification, the licencee agrees to end distribution of the software or to pay $10,000 (ten thousand American dollars) for each copy sold. 02:03:48 whoof. it's even worse than i first read it 02:04:23 that's actually what I thought you originally meant... so it's about as non-free as you can get... 02:04:29 yeah 02:04:51 and so the question becomes, are the pg libs GPL or LGPL? 02:04:59 BSD 02:05:04 prolly 02:05:28 should my gitdown beverage be a "sports" drink like gatorade, or a clubbing type drink, like red bull. 02:06:00 what does a clubbing drink mean? a replacement for coke? 02:06:05 it should be a menthol rub 02:06:08 could be. I built the thing a buncha times, so I can check; I hold onto the sources and keep the tarball around 02:06:32 you might prefer an unused menthol rub :) 02:07:13 have you tried pgaccess, btw? 02:07:43 yeah, pgadmin is better 02:08:48 yes, you're right about the possible BSD thing... slipped my mind that pg is a berkeley thing 02:09:21 like how red bull and vodka was the most popular drink in dance clubs in the UK for 10 years 02:09:44 a gitdown fizz will now take its place. 02:10:35 do you really want to become the sleazy kind of salesmen that is needed in order to take over the club drink scene? 02:10:42 talli: "better" would seem to be more subjective here: the license is downright draconian, and is allowed to be so by the copyright of pg 02:10:58 is it worse than the sleazy kind of salesman needed to take over the leftover web-project scene? 02:11:00 Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software and its 02:11:00 documentation for any purpose, without fee, and without a written agreement 02:11:00 is hereby granted, 02:11:04 which is what i am now... 02:11:36 good point 02:11:51 I guess we wait and see what redhat does 02:12:08 if you want to actually start a gitdown drink, one of the people that lives in my building is an heir to some weird vodka fortune 02:12:18 haha. 02:12:20 whoa. 02:12:24 that's good to konw. 02:12:26 know. 02:12:26 he also runs a high-class call girl service 02:12:27 now that redhat is publically traded, M$ can scoop it up anytime they want, taking cygnus and aD with it 02:12:42 that's also good to know, but only if i can score a discount. 02:13:02 ever hear of Loco Soda? 02:13:07 nope 02:13:18 it's a soda started by a restaurant in tribeca called Bubby's 02:13:33 they had the breakthrough idea of putting chili pepper in lemon soda 02:13:37 haha. 02:13:43 that sounds good actually. 02:13:50 and selling it in a bottle the size of a thimble 02:15:08 hm 02:17:18 is the docwolf slas - i mean, web startup life that bad that you want to compete with powerful corporate soda conglomerates? 02:17:30 docwolf, what are you doing to the poor man? 02:17:34 * talli cries for rzolf 02:18:08 btw, don't try and visit windowsupdate.microsoft.com using mozilla 02:18:19 no docwolf's job is fun. but in general, 'web programming' is not fun. 02:18:39 like. going to work for IBM global services does not sound appealing. 02:18:50 talli: what does it do? crash your computer after telling you how evil you are? 02:19:23 its a very limited sphere. after you've done one or two database backed websites, there isn't that much more to learn. 02:22:41 rzolf: start marketing it to the skater set, since you already have a keen understanding of it's demographics and i think it will be relatively easy to unseat mountain dew and sprite. 02:23:05 web programming is fairly slow for me 02:23:27 then, from there, it is reasonable to go after the meth heads that frequent the scrap metal heaps from which the skate parks are born 02:23:52 anyway, i think your name gitdown is good. 02:23:59 gitdown! 02:23:59 gitfunky 02:24:12 hook up with this vodka prince/pimp to the stars, and you'll be set 02:24:25 later guys 02:24:31 nite 02:25:45 yes i was trying to think of something to do with the gitdown brand 02:26:00 and the only other things i could think of were a hipster clothing line, or audio software 02:26:12 both of which have a very limited demographic and lifetime 02:26:26 sugared water is totally universal. 02:33:18 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 02:42:37 http://www.redmeat.com/redmeat/2002-03-19/index.html 02:45:26 heh 02:45:47 markd2 has quit ("wheeeee") 02:46:41 til has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 02:46:46 til (til@port-212-202-128-197.reverse.qsc.de) has joined #openacs 02:48:14 weird. 02:50:31 hmm, only mail is responding. 02:50:48 paje: who is carmen sandiego? 02:50:48 hazmat: no idea 02:51:37 hmmm, server seems to not be shutting down. 02:52:16 docwolf has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 02:52:18 docwolf (~docwolf@adsl-34-2-15.mia.bellsouth.net) has joined #openacs 02:53:07 oacs-chump has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:53:24 oacs-chump (~oacs-chum@alb-24-58-160-28.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 02:53:35 http://www.redmeat.com/redmeat/2002-03-19/index.html 02:53:35 G: http://www.redmeat.com/redmeat/2002-03-19/index.html from davb 02:54:00 G: "Electric Viking Funeral" 02:54:01 added comment G1 02:56:21 WTF dns is still partially screwed up! 02:57:00 argh 02:57:04 my ISP really sucks. 02:57:16 yesterday the dns was updated, now they have the old ip address again. 02:57:59 can anyone get to www.thedesignexperience.org? 02:58:23 i can. 02:58:28 cool 02:59:28 this gitdown soda thing is going to be just like when abe simpson sold that love tonic. 03:05:44 have fun! 03:05:46 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 03:07:06 ok. better go work on my bottling logistics. 03:07:07 rzolf has quit ("rzolf has no reason") 06:42:28 talli, I need to defeat google. my access logs seem to indicate that every misdirected yahoo on the net with a question about TCP/IP is being shown to my door by google. 06:42:32 it's out of control. 06:44:24 hey 06:44:32 what did you do? 06:44:59 how did you become the tcp/ip expert, other than being born an internet junkie? 06:45:53 i'd like to know. it's embarrassing to look at your server logs, and realize that in the 6 - 10 months since you last updated a file or doc, a few thousand random people chanced to read it. 06:46:04 it's like "Ack! No, not that! Don't look!" 06:46:05 haha 06:46:22 it's certainly motivating. 06:47:30 I think Googlebot is very close to learning how to log in. 06:50:49 lots of people are finding me on google searches for oacs hosting... do you see the same thing? 06:51:55 dunno, maybe 06:52:11 i haven't checked the logs in a while either ;) 06:56:21 okay, attention span is gone. time to call it a night. 06:56:23 l8r. 06:56:40 denshi is now known as denshi_asleep 07:06:26 andy_ has quit ("leaving") 10:37:42 til has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10:38:56 til (til@port-212-202-128-197.reverse.qsc.de) has joined #openacs 10:45:51 til has left #openacs 10:46:09 til (til@port-212-202-128-197.reverse.qsc.de) has joined #openacs 13:09:28 abbaJ has quit ("Client Exiting") 15:16:01 abbaJ (~jabba@adsl-64-123-15-107.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) has joined #openacs 15:16:50 markd2 (~Snak@h166-102-041-173.ip.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 15:44:56 denshi_asleep is now known as denshi 16:19:49 * markd2 is still asleep 16:19:55 talli has left #openacs 16:36:43 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 16:53:00 * til always sleeps 16:58:37 hi! 17:00:36