IRC log of openacs on 2002-04-10

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00:11:43 [GEM]
Uggh! disk errors on the computer that I just installed 4.5 on :-(
00:13:26 [talli]
talli (~talli@dsl092-013-011.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #openacs
00:14:12 [talli]
markd2: docwolf is corrupting me with macguyver slash fiction
00:16:08 [markd2]
and have you seen his pictures?
00:16:22 [talli]
oh man
00:16:46 [talli]
i thought you were at the bottom of this (no pun intended... or maybe so)
00:18:09 [adcnet]
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00:18:54 [markd2]
I'm as much of a victim as you are
00:22:09 [denshi]
this group is getting sicker by the day
00:28:56 [markd2]
It's a sick, sick world, and I'm a happy guy
00:29:08 [GEM]
talli: *ouch*! My brain hurts even thinking about that....
00:29:36 [denshi]
I knew hiding in a farmhouse in rural Pennsylvania would warp markd's mind.
00:29:51 [talli]
someone say docwolf/rzolf slash?
00:29:56 [markd2]
LOL
00:30:32 [talli]
docwolf is feeding perverted slash from around the net
00:30:33 [denshi]
doesn't slash have to be fiction?
00:30:33 [talli]
http://members.tripod.com/~Varoneeka/contents.htm
00:30:38 [oacs-chump]
A: http://members.tripod.com/~Varoneeka/contents.htm from talli
00:30:54 [talli]
A: comes with Dear Prudence midi and P/Q slash. docwolf is responsible
00:30:54 [oacs-chump]
added comment A1
00:31:48 [talli]
good point
00:32:00 [markd2]
P/Q?
00:32:13 [talli]
but since juanqie farkas is not quite ready for the truth, they aren't totally out
00:32:15 [talli]
Picard/Q
00:32:18 [markd2]
ah
00:32:20 [markd2]
eww
00:32:27 [markd2]
lucikly that page crashes my browser
00:32:34 [markd2]
time to submit the link to the folks who make it
00:32:48 [markd2]
"yeah, when I read this online porn, my browser crashes. can you check it out."
00:33:20 [talli]
http://www.kardasi.com/bobw/index.htm
00:33:20 [oacs-chump]
B: http://www.kardasi.com/bobw/index.htm from talli
00:33:26 [rzolf]
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00:33:30 [talli]
B: iguana + chihuahua + slash
00:33:30 [oacs-chump]
added comment B1
00:33:31 [docwolf]
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00:33:54 [rzolf]
uh oh.
00:33:57 [markd2]
heh
00:34:03 [markd2]
the Ambiguously Geek Duo
00:34:11 [talli]
i bet it would be easy to search and replace all slash fiction on the net and replace kirk with docwolf and spock with rzolf
00:34:12 [docwolf]
ahem.
00:34:24 [talli]
google could do it. they can do everything
00:34:28 [docwolf]
http://www.kardasi.com/bobw/index.htm
00:34:29 [oacs-chump]
C: http://www.kardasi.com/bobw/index.htm from docwolf
00:34:30 [markd2]
rzolf: "using an iguana in that way would be illogical"
00:34:35 [docwolf]
good luck trying to replace that
00:35:22 [talli]
it must take all the romance out of teh relationship now that you two live together, huh?
00:35:31 [talli]
i mean, at least for the slash
00:35:46 [docwolf]
yes, slash is only exciting
00:35:50 [docwolf]
when an outsider is brought in.
00:35:58 [docwolf]
we need to write david eison into the script, or something
00:36:03 [talli]
especially an evil one
00:36:05 [talli]
oh man
00:36:05 [docwolf]
*that* will spice it up.
00:36:31 [talli]
i bet the steam in those stories could peel the frat stick right off the 'vette
00:36:32 [docwolf]
or maybe a guest appearance by richard li, in a loincloth
00:36:46 [talli]
do they make loinclothes that small?
00:37:02 [markd2]
or a camel scene
00:37:21 [talli]
in a tent?
00:38:08 [markd2]
or that leather "wigwam"
00:38:25 [docwolf]
ok, according to the rules of slash fiction
00:38:30 [docwolf]
(i am now an expert)
00:38:35 [docwolf]
if you are leet
00:38:35 [markd2]
*shudder*
00:38:35 [rzolf]
isnt slash the guitarist from g n r.
00:38:39 [docwolf]
you make up multiple pairings
00:38:50 [markd2]
I thought it was that Taco / Cowboy Kneeling thing
00:38:57 [docwolf]
only the most leet can pair up someone like checkov/harry kim
00:39:03 [docwolf]
yikes
00:39:25 [rzolf]
edward tufte/jakob nielsen
00:39:29 [talli]
haha
00:39:35 [markd2]
rzolf /
00:39:39 [talli]
spolsky/dave winer
00:39:42 [rzolf]
unpairable!
00:39:50 [markd2]
au pairable
00:40:12 [docwolf]
think outside the box....
00:40:16 [docwolf]
harryg/allen shaheen
00:40:43 [rzolf]
eve/everyone else at the office
00:40:44 [rzolf]
oops.
00:40:50 [docwolf]
rolf: that ain't fiction
00:40:53 [markd2]
that's already happened
00:40:56 [rzolf]
:'(
00:41:05 [rzolf]
wait. i wasn't in on that.
00:41:18 [markd2]
she knew you were too much man
00:41:20 [rzolf]
was that when i had to buff alex.
00:41:37 [markd2]
where do you think that Vegetarian Jerky came from?
00:41:48 [rzolf]
hey just today i was breaking down some cardboard boxes in the garage. and it brought me back to arsdigita days.
00:41:50 [markd2]
(wait... rzolf *is* sentient cheese)
00:42:24 [talli]
MIT/humility
00:43:04 [rzolf]
jesse ventura / ann coulter
00:43:17 [rzolf]
ann coulter / me
00:43:36 [docwolf]
rolf/that girl at the starbucks who gives free coffee
00:43:51 [talli]
rzolf / miatas
00:44:06 [markd2]
paje / loggy
00:44:07 [rzolf]
dude. i dont need the miata anymore.
00:44:07 [paje]
markd2: i'm not following you...
00:44:09 [denshi]
doc, does she know she's chasing an impossibility?
00:44:16 [rzolf]
i got a sweet stationwagon.
00:44:26 [talli]
the kids must love it
00:44:38 [docwolf]
rolf's hoopty rocks the mic.
00:44:45 [talli]
docwolf / noisy PC
00:45:04 [rzolf]
talli. do you hang out at max fish.
00:45:26 [talli]
dunno what that is. sounds familiar
00:45:28 [talli]
should i?
00:45:33 [rzolf]
yeah i think so.
00:45:40 [rzolf]
it is a bar over on ludlow.
00:45:48 [talli]
oh.
00:45:50 [rzolf]
where hipsters hang out.
00:45:57 [talli]
i'm not a hipster
00:46:02 [markd2]
s/hip/ham/
00:46:08 [rzolf]
heheh.
00:46:18 [rzolf]
its pretty cool. but i dont know if it is still cool.
00:46:23 [talli]
probably not
00:46:24 [rzolf]
there is an art gallery there too.
00:46:36 [talli]
lower east side is so hip it's uncool
00:46:43 [rzolf]
it is old though. like it didn't just become trendy. it was trendy in the 70s.
00:47:00 [talli]
lotsa indie rockers with too much irony
00:47:10 [rzolf]
yeah the upper west side is the new hip area.
00:47:21 [talli]
at least they have nice loafers
00:47:35 [talli]
i've decided to let Heeb decide what is cool and what is not for me
00:47:47 [rzolf]
what is heeb.
00:48:21 [talli]
"Heeb Magazine: The New Jew Review, a national quarterly of arts, culture and progressive politics for Jews in their 20s and 30s."
00:48:24 [rzolf]
that is what jewish skater/hip-hop type kids call each other.
00:48:41 [rzolf]
oh it is a magazine too.
00:48:44 [rzolf]
sweet.
00:48:48 [markd2]
Ask Jeebs
00:48:48 [talli]
also, it's an embarrassing thing
00:48:54 [docwolf]
does it have any slash fiction?
00:49:02 [docwolf]
sharon/arafat
00:49:02 [docwolf]
?
00:49:15 [talli]
backed by the one and only jew, spielberg
00:49:19 [rzolf]
my friends and I refer to each other as gents. which is short for gentiles.
00:50:24 [talli]
glad to hear you respect us so much that you are willing to negatively identify yourselves.
00:50:30 [talli]
just as us zionists do
00:50:36 [talli]
* talli cries for the world
00:50:56 [markd2]
* markd2 sacrifices some oxen in the temple
00:50:57 [denshi]
paje, cry for talli
00:50:58 [paje]
denshi: i'm not following you...
00:51:15 [rzolf]
i need to go sacrifice my stomach lining to some caffiene.
00:51:24 [markd2]
paje, cry for talli is <action> weeps and wails and tears his tunic
00:51:25 [paje]
OK, markd2.
00:51:25 [docwolf]
yes
00:51:33 [docwolf]
and on that note, i will leave you with the quote of the day
00:51:35 [denshi]
paje, cry for talli
00:51:35 [paje]
* paje weeps and wails and tears his tunic
00:51:41 [denshi]
paje, botsnak
00:51:42 [paje]
* paje eats paje's botsnak, and part of paje's arm too. Sorry.
00:51:53 [rzolf]
paje, deadbeef
00:51:53 [paje]
rzolf: what?
00:51:56 [talli]
paje, how many arms do you have?
00:51:56 [paje]
talli: i don't know
00:52:00 [docwolf]
"Unless you've gone California, Greg, and have been living on sprouts
00:52:00 [docwolf]
since the last time I saw you, I think you might be far too heavy
00:52:00 [docwolf]
for this trip.
00:52:05 [docwolf]
"
00:52:07 [docwolf]
catch ya later.
00:52:09 [rzolf]
:'(
00:53:38 [talli]
* talli pauses for a self-aggrandizing moment
00:53:46 [denshi]
qotd: "Don't think of it as a flame---it's more like an argument that does 3d6 fire damage"
00:53:48 [talli]
it's my birthday. today, i am better than all of you.
00:53:55 [talli]
except for loggy
00:53:57 [markd2]
hap hap happy
00:53:58 [talli]
he's still better
00:54:03 [denshi]
paje, cry for talli's advanced age.
00:54:03 [paje]
denshi: i'm not following you...
00:54:24 [talli]
paje, cry for denshi's insignificant manhood
00:54:24 [paje]
talli: excuse me?
00:54:30 [talli]
that's what she said
00:55:01 [denshi]
we need a far more powerful pajebot.
01:00:34 [talli]
i'm forgetting my binaries
01:00:44 [talli]
1024 = 2^10, right?
01:00:52 [talli]
or is it 2^12?
01:02:38 [talli]
10
01:02:42 [talli]
paje 2^10
01:02:42 [paje]
8
01:03:04 [talli]
paje, 2^(10)
01:03:04 [paje]
8
01:03:21 [talli]
paje, 2 ^ 10
01:03:21 [paje]
8
01:03:30 [talli]
paje, whose math are you using?
01:03:30 [paje]
talli: i don't know
01:03:33 [talli]
figures
01:03:43 [talli]
paje, 2(10)
01:03:43 [paje]
talli: huh?
01:03:47 [talli]
hmmm...
01:03:55 [talli]
paje, 2*20
01:03:56 [paje]
40
01:04:06 [talli]
paje, 10^2
01:04:07 [paje]
8
01:04:25 [talli]
paje, @^0
01:04:26 [paje]
talli: huh?
01:04:31 [talli]
paje, 2^0
01:04:31 [paje]
2
01:07:25 [markd2]
2 ** 10
01:07:33 [talli]
ah.. thanks
01:07:34 [markd2]
paje, 2 ** 10
01:07:34 [paje]
1024
01:07:42 [markd2]
^ is bitwise OR I think
01:20:20 [rzolf]
i'm the bitwise or
01:20:32 [markd2]
you're a bitwise oar
01:20:39 [markd2]
* markd2 extends his bitwise aura
01:22:02 [docwolf]
dave winer needs to be banned from the interweb.
01:22:22 [talli]
with a very heavy clue by four, i would say
01:22:39 [talli]
did i say i? i meant he would say
01:23:32 [rzolf]
i have successfully avoided every "blog" since march 1.
01:23:38 [rzolf]
except badgertronics blog.
01:23:55 [talli]
badgertronics is not really a blog. it's more a shrine
01:24:06 [talli]
returning to it is like returning to a place of worship and calm
01:24:14 [talli]
except without the porn
01:24:38 [docwolf]
porn good
01:24:41 [docwolf]
interweb bad
01:25:04 [talli]
the InterWeb is more powerful than you or i.
01:25:27 [talli]
why does major-domo suck so much as a mailing list manager?
01:25:40 [talli]
why is it so hard to friggin' sign up for digest?
01:27:52 [docwolf]
KDE3 good
01:27:59 [docwolf]
Hercules slash fiction bad
01:28:04 [docwolf]
very, very bad.
01:28:11 [docwolf]
http://www.geocities.com/kaylafic/stories/xena/
01:28:11 [oacs-chump]
D: http://www.geocities.com/kaylafic/stories/xena/ from docwolf
01:30:11 [GEM]
talli: Hmm. I've never had trouble with signing up for a majordomo list or digest form...
01:31:23 [talli]
yeah, i guess i'm just bitching because mailman is easier to sign up for
01:35:13 [talli]
D: docwolf continues sharing his preeversions with with the good (and clean) folks of the oacs community
01:35:13 [oacs-chump]
added comment D1
01:38:55 [GEM]
Don't know that I've dealt with mailman, so I could not comment :-)
01:40:14 [GEM]
Hmm. I should see about photo-album or something allowing group-entered photo captions, to simplify the problems of friends who take too many digital pictures at conventions
01:40:32 [rzolf]
rm -r
01:40:32 [markd2]
don't let this group at it
01:40:39 [markd2]
otherwise it'll turn into the Dysfunctional Family Circus
01:41:10 [talli]
i don't think he has to worry about that
01:41:17 [talli]
rbm seems to have recursively removed us
01:41:24 [talli]
i think we're powerless to do anything
01:41:27 [rzolf]
hehe.
01:42:48 [GEM]
markd: so I see
01:44:40 [rzolf]
who here would buy a redbull type energy drink called "gitdown"
01:44:48 [talli]
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=579&ncid=762&e=1&u=/nm/20020409/en_nm/life_bloomberg_pot_dc
01:44:49 [oacs-chump]
E: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=579&ncid=762&e=1&u=/nm/20020409/en_nm/life_bloomberg_pot_dc from talli
01:44:55 [talli]
E: my mayor smokes pot
01:44:55 [oacs-chump]
added comment E1
01:45:00 [rzolf]
haha.
01:45:03 [rzolf]
ugh.
01:45:14 [rzolf]
i need to catch up on my back issues of national review.
01:45:45 [talli]
rzolf: i would, if i wore baggy cargo shorts, wore ironic tshirts and worshipped tony alva
01:46:10 [rzolf]
tony alva is a dental hygenist.
01:46:24 [talli]
i sat in traffic school behind tony alva
01:46:32 [rzolf]
whoa really.
01:46:38 [talli]
yes i did
01:46:40 [rzolf]
in hawaii.
01:46:51 [talli]
no, in the Inland Empire of Southern Cal
01:46:56 [rzolf]
ok
01:47:10 [rzolf]
i thought he had moved to hawaii. i guess he's a mega big-wave surfer now.
01:47:19 [rzolf]
his knees and back sort of blew up.
01:47:30 [rzolf]
and apparently surfing isn't that bad.
01:47:34 [rzolf]
on your joints.
01:47:45 [rzolf]
should i go for the energy drink.
01:47:47 [rzolf]
or.
01:47:56 [rzolf]
the "kava" laced beverage.
01:48:26 [rzolf]
my goal is to make gitdown one of the hugest brands in existence.
01:48:47 [talli]
energy drink
01:48:57 [talli]
although, be careful. i assume you're using docwolf's brew
01:49:14 [rzolf]
and it seems like selling some sort of sugared water is the easiest way to make a successful ROI.
01:49:25 [talli]
he might try and stash some encrypted, subliminal slash on the tags
01:53:57 [talli]
has anyone used PGAdmin?
01:54:11 [talli]
of more interest, has anyone looked at the pgadmin public license?
01:58:14 [jim]
is it not gpl?
01:58:20 [talli]
no
01:58:26 [talli]
they have their own license
01:58:33 [talli]
that says they have the right to pull it at any time
01:59:04 [talli]
and can charge 10K if you don't comply
01:59:05 [jim]
then I take issue with their use of the word "public"
01:59:31 [talli]
you can use it for internal and non-commercial use, but ...
02:00:16 [jim]
were it for my own purposes, I'd stay as far away from it as I originally wanted to stay away from oracle...
02:00:29 [talli]
yeah
02:00:37 [talli]
sounds like the ADPL
02:01:36 [jim]
well, ianaa, so I dunno, but I might start myself by comparing pgadmin license to npl and adpl
02:02:52 [jim]
(with adpl being a single clause and an inclusion of npl by reference, afaict)
02:03:27 [talli]
8. The pgAdmin Development Team may end the licence agreement for any reason, without notice and without prejudice. In this case the licencee only retains the right to use the software for personal or internal use. Within 10 days of notification, the licencee agrees to end distribution of the software or to pay $10,000 (ten thousand American dollars) for each copy sold.
02:03:48 [talli]
whoof. it's even worse than i first read it
02:04:23 [jim]
that's actually what I thought you originally meant... so it's about as non-free as you can get...
02:04:29 [talli]
yeah
02:04:51 [jim]
and so the question becomes, are the pg libs GPL or LGPL?
02:04:59 [talli]
BSD
02:05:04 [talli]
prolly
02:05:28 [rzolf]
should my gitdown beverage be a "sports" drink like gatorade, or a clubbing type drink, like red bull.
02:06:00 [talli]
what does a clubbing drink mean? a replacement for coke?
02:06:05 [markd2]
it should be a menthol rub
02:06:08 [jim]
could be. I built the thing a buncha times, so I can check; I hold onto the sources and keep the tarball around
02:06:32 [jim]
you might prefer an unused menthol rub :)
02:07:13 [jim]
have you tried pgaccess, btw?
02:07:43 [talli]
yeah, pgadmin is better
02:08:48 [jim]
yes, you're right about the possible BSD thing... slipped my mind that pg is a berkeley thing
02:09:21 [rzolf]
like how red bull and vodka was the most popular drink in dance clubs in the UK for 10 years
02:09:44 [rzolf]
a gitdown fizz will now take its place.
02:10:35 [talli]
do you really want to become the sleazy kind of salesmen that is needed in order to take over the club drink scene?
02:10:42 [jim]
talli: "better" would seem to be more subjective here: the license is downright draconian, and is allowed to be so by the copyright of pg
02:10:58 [rzolf]
is it worse than the sleazy kind of salesman needed to take over the leftover web-project scene?
02:11:00 [jim]
Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software and its
02:11:00 [jim]
documentation for any purpose, without fee, and without a written agreement
02:11:00 [jim]
is hereby granted,
02:11:04 [rzolf]
which is what i am now...
02:11:36 [talli]
good point
02:11:51 [jim]
I guess we wait and see what redhat does
02:12:08 [talli]
if you want to actually start a gitdown drink, one of the people that lives in my building is an heir to some weird vodka fortune
02:12:18 [rzolf]
haha.
02:12:20 [rzolf]
whoa.
02:12:24 [rzolf]
that's good to konw.
02:12:26 [rzolf]
know.
02:12:26 [talli]
he also runs a high-class call girl service
02:12:27 [jim]
now that redhat is publically traded, M$ can scoop it up anytime they want, taking cygnus and aD with it
02:12:42 [rzolf]
that's also good to know, but only if i can score a discount.
02:13:02 [talli]
ever hear of Loco Soda?
02:13:07 [rzolf]
nope
02:13:18 [talli]
it's a soda started by a restaurant in tribeca called Bubby's
02:13:33 [talli]
they had the breakthrough idea of putting chili pepper in lemon soda
02:13:37 [rzolf]
haha.
02:13:43 [rzolf]
that sounds good actually.
02:13:50 [talli]
and selling it in a bottle the size of a thimble
02:15:08 [rzolf]
hm
02:17:18 [talli]
is the docwolf slas - i mean, web startup life that bad that you want to compete with powerful corporate soda conglomerates?
02:17:30 [talli]
docwolf, what are you doing to the poor man?
02:17:34 [talli]
* talli cries for rzolf
02:18:08 [talli]
btw, don't try and visit windowsupdate.microsoft.com using mozilla
02:18:19 [rzolf]
no docwolf's job is fun. but in general, 'web programming' is not fun.
02:18:39 [rzolf]
like. going to work for IBM global services does not sound appealing.
02:18:50 [GEM]
talli: what does it do? crash your computer after telling you how evil you are?
02:19:23 [rzolf]
its a very limited sphere. after you've done one or two database backed websites, there isn't that much more to learn.
02:22:41 [talli]
rzolf: start marketing it to the skater set, since you already have a keen understanding of it's demographics and i think it will be relatively easy to unseat mountain dew and sprite.
02:23:05 [jim]
web programming is fairly slow for me
02:23:27 [talli]
then, from there, it is reasonable to go after the meth heads that frequent the scrap metal heaps from which the skate parks are born
02:23:52 [talli]
anyway, i think your name gitdown is good.
02:23:59 [markd2]
gitdown!
02:23:59 [paje]
gitfunky
02:24:12 [talli]
hook up with this vodka prince/pimp to the stars, and you'll be set
02:24:25 [talli]
later guys
02:24:31 [jim]
nite
02:25:45 [rzolf]
yes i was trying to think of something to do with the gitdown brand
02:26:00 [rzolf]
and the only other things i could think of were a hipster clothing line, or audio software
02:26:12 [rzolf]
both of which have a very limited demographic and lifetime
02:26:26 [rzolf]
sugared water is totally universal.
02:33:18 [davb]
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02:42:37 [denshi]
http://www.redmeat.com/redmeat/2002-03-19/index.html
02:45:26 [markd2]
heh
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02:48:14 [davb]
weird.
02:50:31 [davb]
hmm, only mail is responding.
02:50:48 [hazmat]
paje: who is carmen sandiego?
02:50:48 [paje]
hazmat: no idea
02:51:37 [davb]
hmmm, server seems to not be shutting down.
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02:53:35 [davb]
http://www.redmeat.com/redmeat/2002-03-19/index.html
02:53:35 [oacs-chump]
G: http://www.redmeat.com/redmeat/2002-03-19/index.html from davb
02:54:00 [denshi]
G: "Electric Viking Funeral"
02:54:01 [oacs-chump]
added comment G1
02:56:21 [davb]
WTF dns is still partially screwed up!
02:57:00 [davb]
argh
02:57:04 [davb]
my ISP really sucks.
02:57:16 [davb]
yesterday the dns was updated, now they have the old ip address again.
02:57:59 [davb]
can anyone get to www.thedesignexperience.org?
02:58:23 [denshi]
i can.
02:58:28 [davb]
cool
02:59:28 [rzolf]
this gitdown soda thing is going to be just like when abe simpson sold that love tonic.
03:05:44 [davb]
have fun!
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03:07:06 [rzolf]
ok. better go work on my bottling logistics.
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06:42:28 [denshi]
talli, I need to defeat google. my access logs seem to indicate that every misdirected yahoo on the net with a question about TCP/IP is being shown to my door by google.
06:42:32 [denshi]
it's out of control.
06:44:24 [talli]
hey
06:44:32 [talli]
what did you do?
06:44:59 [talli]
how did you become the tcp/ip expert, other than being born an internet junkie?
06:45:53 [denshi]
i'd like to know. it's embarrassing to look at your server logs, and realize that in the 6 - 10 months since you last updated a file or doc, a few thousand random people chanced to read it.
06:46:04 [denshi]
it's like "Ack! No, not that! Don't look!"
06:46:05 [talli]
haha
06:46:22 [denshi]
it's certainly motivating.
06:47:30 [denshi]
I think Googlebot is very close to learning how to log in.
06:50:49 [denshi]
lots of people are finding me on google searches for oacs hosting... do you see the same thing?
06:51:55 [talli]
dunno, maybe
06:52:11 [talli]
i haven't checked the logs in a while either ;)
06:56:21 [denshi]
okay, attention span is gone. time to call it a night.
06:56:23 [denshi]
l8r.
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16:53:00 [til]
* til always sleeps
16:58:37 [davb]
hi!
17:00:36 [til]
hi davb
17:03:41 [til]
* til opens openacs.org in w3, the browser in xemacs
17:04:29 [til]
cool, no more textarea editing
17:05:19 [davb]
neat.
17:06:58 [til]
hmm, doesn't work ... can't login. crap
17:10:23 [davb]
there is a cookie issue with lynx etc.
17:10:34 [davb]
I suspect that uses the same lib as lynx
17:14:53 [til]
i want a browser that embeds an emacs buffer for each textarea ;)
17:15:57 [davb]
interesting.
17:16:07 [davb]
does it need to be real emacs? or just emacs-like?
17:17:48 [til]
cool would be if it acts like another window of my current xemacs session, then i could easily copy and paste stuff between buffers etc.
17:18:27 [til]
there is this thing called gnuserv, but i never got it to work reliably ... it has some issues with german characters on my system
17:20:20 [davb]
you need a way for say mozilla to communicate with emacs.
17:20:26 [davb]
and emacs to send it back.
17:20:49 [davb]
of course, you can always just switch to emacs, type, then copy/paste into your browser :)
17:20:55 [davb]
but that is not nearly as cool.
17:20:59 [til]
yeah ;)
17:21:08 [davb]
you could use xmlrpc
17:21:22 [til]
somebody should write a bboard mode for emacs ...
17:21:38 [davb]
i think there is a package for emacs somewhere and its built into mozilla now.
17:21:43 [davb]
that is kinda like Radio Userland.
17:21:57 [davb]
you can click on an edit this paage button and it fires up your local app.
17:22:41 [davb]
links to 127.0.0.1:8001/edit-this-page or something that fires up the app running on your local machine.
17:22:50 [til]
that sounds useful
17:23:26 [denshi]
* denshi hears cookie & lynx together
17:23:29 [til]
this should be doable by defining you own mime-type and setting your app as "open with" for this type in the browser
17:23:32 [markd2]
* markd2 just hears cookie
17:23:41 [denshi]
* denshi gives markd2 a cookie
17:23:55 [davb]
neat.
17:24:05 [denshi]
davb, do we still have the cookie problem with oacs4.5?
17:24:18 [davb]
denshi: i don't hink so, just 3.x
17:24:31 [davb]
and there is a patch, just not applied to openacs.org :)
17:24:51 [davb]
where's talli with that new site??
17:25:06 [denshi]
oh good. It always annoyed me that no one cared to fix that. it's a frickin' two line patch!
17:26:46 [davb]
til: you would emacs get the post information? and how would it get back to the site?
17:27:58 [davb]
s/you/how :)
17:28:33 [til]
those are good questions ;)
17:29:07 [davb]
if we define an api of sorts, it would be easy to make this work with different desktop editors.
17:29:41 [davb]
I wonder if something with webdav would work for this...
17:30:14 [davb]
argh
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17:31:20 [davb]
not bad :)
17:31:31 [davb]
i can't believe my ISP has the old DNS info from last thursday.
17:31:46 [davb]
I am the only person who can't get to my web site.
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17:34:01 [markd2]
my ISP has some name servers with month-old information
17:34:03 [markd2]
alltel-
17:34:05 [markd2]
alltel--
17:34:06 [markd2]
alltel?
17:34:07 [paje]
alltel are a bunch of wankers
17:34:12 [markd2]
paje: botsnack
17:34:12 [paje]
thanks markd2 :)
17:34:15 [davb]
roadrunner--
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17:34:30 [davb]
chatzilla--
17:34:57 [davb]
anyone on the aolserver list?
17:35:04 [davb]
I haven't been getting it.
17:35:31 [denshi]
I've tried, but have been so far rebuffed.
17:35:39 [davb]
to join?
17:35:58 [denshi]
yup
17:36:31 [davb]
hmmm
17:36:35 [davb]
I am trying right now
17:36:53 [denshi]
markd2, do you still do a fair bit of java dev?
17:37:05 [markd2]
not really
17:37:12 [markd2]
I'm trying to skill-set myself into mac os x land
17:37:17 [davb]
according to aolserver: A confirmation request is being sent under separate cover.
17:38:19 [denshi]
good luck. before you do that, do you have any tool recommendations?
17:38:52 [markd2]
for java?
17:38:56 [denshi]
yup
17:39:11 [markd2]
I'm an emacs weenie. If it can't be done in a plain text file, it's not worth messing with :-)
17:40:36 [davb]
GEM: you are now approved
17:40:36 [oacs-chump]
Label GEM not found.
17:40:41 [til]
denshi: ecb (emacs code browser) looked quite cool ... unfortunately it didnt install on my debian system
17:41:41 [til]
some kind of superspeedbar
17:42:48 [til]
http://home.swipnet.se/mayhem/ecb.html
17:42:49 [oacs-chump]
H: http://home.swipnet.se/mayhem/ecb.html from til
17:43:40 [til]
H: ecb - the emacs code browser
17:43:40 [oacs-chump]
added comment H1
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18:20:48 [denshi]
davb, you've got me reading treedragon now...
18:53:07 [Psychephylax]
Hey
18:53:17 [markd2]
yo
18:53:34 [Psychephylax]
I'm such a money spender
18:54:09 [markd2]
now you just need some 'money making' in with that :-)
18:54:24 [Psychephylax]
I bought a new processor a new motherboard, memory and hard drive
18:54:59 [Psychephylax]
And the rest of the computer to go with it
18:55:00 [Psychephylax]
lol
19:06:28 [davb]
denshi: heh :)
19:07:00 [denshi]
davb: I was somewhat cowed, until I noticed he's been coding longer than I have been *alive*
19:07:42 [davb]
ah.
19:08:07 [markd2]
I'm going through some of that now
19:08:20 [markd2]
I've been playing tromone longer than some of my section mate's lives
19:08:29 [denshi]
y'know, I think I'd first like to see him drop his blob btree operations into the linux kernel. see how it pans out.
19:08:51 [denshi]
markd2: !!! aren't you <30?
19:08:53 [davb]
that would be interesting.
19:09:02 [markd2]
I'm 34
19:09:07 [markd2]
* markd2 is old old odl
19:09:21 [markd2]
I only have the mentality of the a deranged teenager
19:09:47 [denshi]
oh, I guess you could start playing the trombone before the age of majority.. for some reason I thought that and drinking went together.
19:10:02 [markd2]
I think one leads to the other
19:11:31 [markd2]
AltoidMeister! Curiously Smooth
19:15:56 [denshi]
altoidmeister?
19:16:43 [denshi]
davb, I would never have learned CSS if I hadn't ripped off your pages.
19:17:01 [markd2]
Jagermeister's tagphrase (at least when I was on the stuff) was "So Smooth"
19:17:25 [denshi]
I can't believe anyone could *be* 'on the stuff'.
19:17:58 [markd2]
back in my clubbing days, when I went to hardcore thrash metal concerts
19:18:28 [denshi]
they had an ad when I was in college of a weatherbeaten russian farmer's entire face curdling after taking a shot... the tagline was 'Yum.'
19:18:53 [denshi]
I should go get a mohito and forget the whole thing.
19:19:16 [denshi]
s/mohito/mojito/? however it's spelled.
19:19:53 [markd2]
yeah, I think it was the same guy with the "So Smooth"
19:23:55 [denshi]
frozen clif bar. tasty.
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19:37:04 [denshi]
heya talli
19:37:24 [talli]
hey denshi
19:37:31 [markd2]
hi paje
19:37:37 [denshi]
which coast are you on today?
19:37:45 [denshi]
paje, botsnack
19:37:45 [paje]
thanks denshi :)
19:37:51 [markd2]
hopefully the 'soap'
19:38:17 [talli]
still on west
19:39:23 [talli]
you know, i'm partly responsible for starting the whole mod_nsd discussion, but i think we should just refuse to ever support apache
19:39:32 [talli]
that way, the discussion doesn't come up anymore
19:40:00 [denshi]
that sounds like a brilliant plan, but I'm still not going to put it in my post.
19:41:00 [talli]
haah.
19:41:09 [talli]
i'll put something up along those lines
19:41:16 [talli]
supporting apache is ONLY a marketing move
19:41:26 [talli]
one that should not be high on the list of developers
19:45:53 [denshi]
actually, I disagree.
19:49:58 [talli]
how dare you!
19:50:03 [denshi]
* denshi is reading too many windows right now, and can't spot sarcasm.
19:50:05 [talli]
paje, damn denshi to hell
19:50:06 [paje]
talli: sorry...
19:50:13 [denshi]
paje: again!
19:50:14 [paje]
* paje spanks talli
19:50:17 [denshi]
paje: again!
19:50:17 [paje]
* paje spanks talli
19:50:19 [denshi]
paje: again!
19:50:19 [paje]
* paje spanks talli
19:50:22 [shagster]
Well, if we can't find somebody to actually do the work, it doesn't matter :)
19:50:31 [denshi]
* denshi coughs.
19:50:47 [denshi]
* denshi coughs pointedly.
19:50:51 [talli]
paje spanks me plenty. do we need to find another bot to give me my just desert/
19:50:51 [paje]
talli: sorry...
19:50:57 [talli]
shut up paje
19:51:03 [talli]
denshi: are you going to do it?
19:51:49 [denshi]
I need to.. I'm going to do it, so that I can bring all the time I've spent in ACSland fullcircle back into the larger Apache community.
19:52:06 [denshi]
it's good personal marketing, and as a bonus, it's a good tech move.
19:52:08 [talli]
shit
19:52:12 [talli]
that's true
19:52:18 [denshi]
and I really fucking want webdav.
19:52:23 [talli]
but now we're going to have a bunch of dunderheads come into the community
19:52:27 [talli]
webdav is coming in aolserver
19:52:35 [talli]
a mega-hacker in germany is goign to build it
19:52:47 [denshi]
excellent.
19:52:56 [talli]
there's been a lot of discussion about it on the aolserver list over the past couple of days
19:52:59 [shagster]
I think he already started (if I remember reading the aolserver server list right)
19:53:39 [denshi]
that explains why davb was trying to find the listserv logs.
19:54:51 [talli]
he hasn't quite started. just started designing it
19:55:00 [talli]
neophytos says that he's god-like.
19:57:58 [denshi]
when will neophytos unleash his own creation?
19:58:38 [talli]
he's been ultra-busy lately
19:58:52 [talli]
i think he's taking a break to relax a little. he just finished undergrad, so he needs to unwind, i think
19:59:31 [denshi]
sheeet... I'm about to restart my undergrad; I
19:59:40 [denshi]
I'm looking forward to the relaxation.
20:01:10 [talli]
yeah, but if all you know is didactic education, when it's all over i think one needs a big friggin' breath
20:01:28 [markd2]
heh
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20:06:39 [markd2]
win-win!
20:07:01 [talli]
win/win
20:07:26 [rbm]
"Think Win-Win"
20:07:41 [markd2]
win/win == 1
20:07:46 [docwolf]
i just got off the phone with dell, and i need to vent. may I?
20:07:49 [talli]
write win/win
20:07:53 [markd2]
please do
20:07:57 [talli]
docwolf/dell
20:08:06 [markd2]
paje, docwolf / dell?
20:08:06 [paje]
markd2: bugger all, i dunno
20:08:12 [markd2]
docwolf and the farmer in the / dell
20:08:18 [talli]
nice
20:08:19 [docwolf]
oh my
20:08:28 [docwolf]
dell may be receiving a dose of docwolf lovin'
20:08:46 [docwolf]
I just bought an uber expensive machine there
20:08:53 [docwolf]
and... it was somehow delayed.
20:09:10 [docwolf]
i tried calling my "personal rep" on the phone 5 times, and with 3 emails, over the past 2 weeks
20:09:12 [docwolf]
with no response.
20:09:28 [markd2]
sounds like the window manfacturer for some work we're doing here
20:09:29 [docwolf]
finally, i called up the main Dell Hive in Austin
20:09:37 [docwolf]
and got put into voicemail hell
20:09:43 [docwolf]
until someone finally answered and asked me --
20:09:51 [docwolf]
"are you ordering > $50k in equipment this year?"
20:09:54 [docwolf]
so, i of course lied
20:09:57 [docwolf]
and said "yes"
20:10:03 [docwolf]
and finally got to speak with a human being.
20:10:08 [talli]
haha
20:10:13 [talli]
liar!
20:10:13 [markd2]
heh
20:10:14 [docwolf]
.. to find out that my RAID controller is on backorder.
20:10:24 [docwolf]
dell has given up.
20:10:28 [docwolf]
they no longer care.
20:11:46 [denshi]
maybe the truck isn't there.
20:11:51 [markd2]
do they have any of your money?
20:11:56 [docwolf]
yes
20:12:03 [markd2]
bummer
20:12:10 [docwolf]
i'm kind of stuck anyway
20:12:16 [docwolf]
b/c no one makes a machine that meets our spec
20:12:18 [docwolf]
besides dell.
20:12:22 [docwolf]
which really sucks.
20:12:22 [markd2]
otherwise tell 'em to go screw themselves and get aen IBM
20:12:29 [markd2]
can you make your own?
20:12:33 [docwolf]
the IBM we'd need would be 2x the price.
20:12:42 [docwolf]
i would build it myself (i built our existing server), but...
20:12:47 [markd2]
2x the price vs never getting it...
20:12:52 [docwolf]
... we need the "onsite in <4 hours with new parts" warranty
20:13:16 [markd2]
"sorry, the 4 hours is void since we can't get your controller"
20:13:33 [docwolf]
haha
20:13:45 [talli]
docwolf: penguincomputing.com rocks!
20:13:48 [markd2]
"please hold for the next available ice age"
20:16:19 [denshi]
what's the machine specs?
20:17:48 [docwolf]
talli: we can't use penguin
20:17:52 [docwolf]
the machine's spec is odd
20:18:11 [docwolf]
1U, with redundant everything
20:18:32 [docwolf]
(2) 36 gig SCSI drives, (2) power supplies, (2) PIII's, etc..
20:18:41 [docwolf]
it's hard to get the dual power supplies in a 1U
20:19:09 [talli]
that's true
20:20:15 [denshi]
with all this wailing and gnashing of teeth, can't you just bump it up to 2U?
20:20:42 [docwolf]
we could, but our colo place would up our rent...
20:20:58 [docwolf]
at this point, i'm willing to give dell another chance
20:21:05 [docwolf]
they say the machine will be here by next week
20:21:16 [docwolf]
if it works, it will be a sweet box
20:21:24 [markd2]
"oh, did we say machine? We meant to say 'nothing'. sorry"
20:22:34 [docwolf]
hehe
20:23:30 [docwolf]
for now, we'll continue to use my homebuilt, leet machine.
20:23:35 [rbm]
My boss has a Dell laptop and she's nad nothing but trouble. I used to have Dell up there in reputation, but they seem to be slipping pretty badly.
20:23:42 [rbm]
s/nad/had/
20:25:04 [rbm]
The laptop has had to be returned 4 times to Dell. 3 of these 4 times it came back with the same problem and usually an extra problem. The 4th time they sent a new laptop (newer, which is nice) but without a network card
20:25:17 [docwolf]
oof
20:25:18 [denshi]
markd2: 'wait, did you say "computer"? I thought you said "Shoot People in the Face."'
20:29:29 [rbm]
brb
20:39:08 [talli]
dell friggin' sucks
20:39:14 [talli]
commodity hardware at its worst
21:00:56 [davb]
denshi: you are welcome (CSS) i learned by dorking around until it worked. only tested on IE 5.5 and Mozilla Linux
21:07:21 [davb]
dell makes laptops not last time i heard
21:07:33 [davb]
unless they got creative...
21:18:28 [docwolf]
i've had a mixed experience with my dell lapto
21:18:37 [docwolf]
it is a refurb, so it's probably had more QA than most
21:18:44 [docwolf]
but the keyboard died after 1 year.
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21:28:52 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. Just a reminder. User mode +w brings you non-critical comments, announcements and occasionally-detailed server administrative information on wallops. Thanks.
21:38:31 [davb]
should I complain to my ISP that the DNS they are caching for my unauthorized server is wrong?
21:39:57 [davb]
any idea how if on monday the dns was correct, it would go BACK to the old ip address?
21:41:43 [markd2]
are you hitting the same namesever?
21:41:53 [markd2]
e.g. ns1.suckyisp.net vs ns2.suckyisp.net
21:42:01 [markd2]
ns1 might be good, and ns2 might not have gotten updated
21:42:45 [markd2]
also make sure you don't have a local entry in /etc/hosts. I got tripped by that one
21:48:19 [davb]
I checked both. they both suck.
21:48:20 [davb]
heh
21:48:21 [davb]
I did
21:48:25 [davb]
but I took it out.
21:49:03 [davb]
basically, I know some of my mail is not making it through, specifically, AOLserver mailing list, among others I haven't noticed yet.
21:49:11 [davb]
I really need to pay someone to do this for me :)
22:15:28 [denshi]
joel spolsky quote: "You can do it like Apache: one release at the beginning of the Internet Bubble, and one release at the end. Perfect."
22:19:02 [markd2]
heh
22:19:08 [markd2]
who knows, maybe this'll start the next bubble
22:19:59 [denshi]
new_ib = fork(Internet_Bubble);
22:20:29 [denshi]
exec(new_ib,apache2);
22:20:35 [denshi]
nah, wouldn't compile.
22:23:32 [shagster]
then its a Mircosoft product? :)
22:36:38 [markd2]
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22:38:44 [davb]
shagster: any idea what "plusdomain" does and should I have it set?
22:38:47 [davb]
for qmail :)
22:39:19 [davb]
* davb installs man so he can RTFM
22:40:15 [shagster]
it defaults to 'me'
22:40:51 [shagster]
qmail-inject uses it as the domain to add any hostname that ends in a + :)
22:41:16 [davb]
I am wondering because I am using qmail for 2 domains, and the one that is not the domain of the server and in those files is partially screwing up :)
22:42:02 [shagster]
how is it "screwing" up?
22:42:35 [davb]
well good question. I am really just looking around. I think its really a DNS issue, because I am just not getting this mail. the logs look ok.
22:44:15 [shagster]
Mail isn't getting rejected, just not showing up?
22:44:21 [davb]
yeah.
22:44:44 [shagster]
got a test email? I'll zip one off from my server and see what it says
22:44:47 [davb]
everything is /var/qmail/qmail/smtpd/current log shows status 0 which I think means ok.
22:44:59 [davb]
sure. well not a test one, send it to me :) dave@deepskydesign.com
22:45:31 [davb]
var/log/... that is
22:45:39 [shagster]
2002-04-10 17:38:30.008170500 info msg 122919: bytes 231 from <root@c.mx.e-outsourcers.net> qp 1976 uid 0
22:45:40 [shagster]
2002-04-10 17:38:30.133226500 starting delivery 7937: msg 122919 to remote dave@deepskydesign.com
22:45:40 [shagster]
2002-04-10 17:38:30.134855500 status: local 0/10 remote 1/70
22:45:40 [shagster]
2002-04-10 17:38:33.658939500 delivery 7937: success: 24.58.160.28_accepted_message./Remote_host_said:_250_ok_1018478678_qp_4299/
22:45:46 [davb]
cool.
22:46:10 [davb]
its in my mailbox.
22:46:39 [davb]
yeah, thats the problem, noone is reporting they are getting an error message.
22:46:40 [shagster]
I guess I fixed it then :)
22:46:43 [davb]
heh
22:47:48 [shagster]
Everything looks good dnswise
22:48:08 [davb]
weird. at least one I know of seems to be not getting through, aolserver mailing list.
22:48:30 [shagster]
I don't get the digest from then 1/4 of the time
22:48:57 [davb]
yeah, I switched to regular mail before the crash.. i missed alot of messages...
22:49:21 [davb]
and their archive is s...l...o...w...
22:50:23 [shagster]
No, a 500lbs man running after an apple is slow....
22:50:32 [shagster]
AOLserver achive is useless
22:50:57 [davb]
heh
22:52:09 [shagster]
Hmm, won't be going down to the office this evening :)
22:53:39 [shagster]
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/preview?gameId=220410105
22:53:40 [oacs-chump]
I: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/preview?gameId=220410105 from shagster