IRC log of openacs on 2002-04-09

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00:40:00 [talli]

GEM: what are you working on doing? building a client site or for fun?

00:40:03 [oacs-chump]

Label GEM not found.

00:45:08 [davb]

talli: any work on openacs is fun!

00:45:17 [talli]

i bet

00:45:23 [talli]

especially debugging aolserver, huh?

00:45:34 [davb]

sure. that was incredibly educational.

00:45:49 [talli]

i'll never understand you hacker types

00:46:01 [talli]

my view is coding is fun, debugging is painful.

00:46:34 [talli]

of course, coding == debugging... so i guess that's why i'm a marketroid

00:47:24 [davb]

I learned all about occam's razor all over again

00:47:42 [talli]

dunno what that is, but it sounds painful

00:47:48 [talli]

must be re: debugging

00:47:51 [davb]

my tcl config file was misconfigured. an extra # us akk ut tajes

00:47:55 [davb]

all it takes

00:48:24 [davb]

talli: hackers like to fix things.

00:49:33 [davb]

especially if it means avoiding real work :)

00:51:13 [davb]

also taking things apart...

00:51:19 [talli]

paje, forget davb

00:51:20 [paje]

talli: I forgot davb

00:51:31 [talli]

davb us akk ut tajes

00:51:37 [talli]

paje, who is davb?

00:51:37 [paje]

talli: no idea

00:51:46 [talli]

davb is akk ut tajes

00:51:48 [talli]

paje, who is davb?

00:51:49 [paje]

somebody said davb was akk ut tajes

00:53:08 [ms]

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00:53:11 [davb]

heh

00:53:45 [davb]

ms what are you using openacs for? if anything.

00:54:20 [ms]

well, i've had acs classic going at work for time tracking for a couple of years

00:54:41 [davb]

ah cool.

00:54:53 [ms]

i really want to move all of our hosted sites into an oacs 4.5 installation, tho

00:55:17 [davb]

spffiy.

00:55:25 [davb]

multiple sites in one openacs?

00:55:30 [davb]

hence the subsite questions :)

00:55:36 [ms]

yeah. exactly.

00:56:13 [davb]

that is a goal of mine also. to offer hosting to my small clients and put them on an openacs so they can use ETP etc... to manage their sites. then also I can template them and update easily etc.

00:56:54 [jim]

davb: there's that site node map thing

00:57:14 [ms]

that's what i'm toying with now.

00:57:48 [davb]

jim: yeah, but there were issues with logins between domains/subsites.

00:58:04 [davb]

i haven't had a chance to test it out.

00:58:39 [ms]

i'm testing that stuff out now

00:59:19 [davb]

cool, thanks!

01:00:50 [ms]

just saw on the bboard that don has found a subsite bug on both platforms. hasn't committed a fix yet tho.

01:01:04 [jim]

on the arsdigita site, there is a place where it does like this:

01:01:18 [jim]

- Register or

01:01:27 [jim]

- log in

01:01:39 [jim]

\- (Why?)

01:02:12 [jim]

is the "why" text available to use by other than aD?

01:02:58 [davb]

jim. its hard coded in the page I think.

01:03:11 [davb]

ie, it's already in there isn't it?

01:03:30 [davb]

maybe not...

01:03:32 [jim]

meaning on any acs? maybe

01:03:50 [davb]

I thought so. I think openacs 3.x had one.

01:04:01 [jim]

I think you're right

01:07:45 [GEM]

I'm 170 lines behind (thanks to dinner) but right now I am doing personal stuff, with an eye to trying to pitch some client sites (I am not a terribly successful consultant)

01:08:30 [davb]

GEM terrible is exactly how I describe my sucess :)

01:08:34 [davb]

and my spelling

01:10:02 [davb]

darn my dotlrn is broken again.

01:10:37 [davb]

you can learn some interesting stuff doing grep why * -r on the openacs source code

01:11:06 [GEM]

Ahh, I ran through it all

01:11:34 [jim]

ok, willdo :)

01:11:47 [davb]

not necessarily useful :)

01:12:03 [GEM]

In the long run, I've got hopes to use OpenACS to make it possible to host 11,000 web sites for one national organization with 2+million members

01:12:04 [jim]

oh :P still, I have a few mins

01:13:02 [GEM]

Trying to figure out how to make it possible for the members of those groups to manage their own sites, much like you want to do with your clients, davb

01:13:49 [davb]

GEM : wow!

01:14:51 [GEM]

davb: *grin* Thanks. I'd love to be able to give them a batch of templates for their sites, to pick and choose between, for example

01:15:02 [davb]

dotLRN has that.

01:15:14 [GEM]

I figure that if I can get a tiny amount per group, I'll be in plenty of good shape

01:15:16 [davb]

its coming over to OpenACS eventually. right now its Oracle-only :(

01:15:22 [GEM]

I see.

01:15:44 [GEM]

I saw, even. I know Caroline Meeks in person, and have for going on 20 years (eeek!)

01:16:36 [davb]

jim: :-( old CDR drive is not liking mit lectures... I'll have to get the good one working

01:16:53 [jim]

davb: ok, np

01:16:59 [GEM]

If I had more time and a working Oracle setup, I'd try to port dotLRN

01:17:21 [davb]

well, supposedly openforce is doing it.

01:17:40 [GEM]

Hey - did anything ever come of people talking about making DVDs or VCDs of the arsdigita university lectures?

01:18:01 [GEM]

Hmm, perhaps I should ask Ben if he'd like a volunteer, as-available helper on the port

01:18:04 [davb]

not really. i think it ended up being more expensive than sending an 80 gig drive to aduni.org

01:18:52 [GEM]

Ah well.

01:19:08 [davb]

GEM, i think they are holding off because Sloan/MIT is setting up some sort of gevernance to take care of the dotlrn project.

01:19:13 [GEM]

I was thinking that especially VCDs would be pretty easy to make once, then clone lots

01:19:43 [davb]

plus, they only have realvideo of the lectures. they for some reason don't have the source.

01:19:57 [GEM]

Hmm. one of my other possible targets for consulting stuff has 8 illion members in 35,000 groups :-)

01:20:35 [davb]

thats a pretty big database.

01:21:30 [GEM]

Well, realvideo would argue for not-DVD, since the quality is likely to be lower

01:22:40 [davb]

right.

01:23:57 [denshi]

GEM: re: DVDs: that was me. I work with video editors at the moment.

01:23:57 [oacs-chump]

Label GEM not found.

01:24:07 [denshi]

oacs-chump: botsnak

01:24:07 [oacs-chump]

Not understood: botsnak

01:24:25 [GEM]

denshi: Cool!

01:24:48 [GEM]

denshi: Would vcds make it more economical? :-)

01:25:00 [GEM]

* GEM could use a refresher course on 6.001

01:25:05 [denshi]

yes, but no one in the states uses VCDs.

01:26:06 [davb]

GEM: which is 6.001?

01:26:06 [oacs-chump]

Label GEM not found.

01:26:32 [denshi]

6.001 is, if I recall, the intro course that they use SICP in.

01:26:43 [GEM]

denshi: yes, there are people who do. And I'd be perfectly willing to use them in my dvd player :-)

01:27:02 [GEM]

yup, the introductory CS class at my alma mater

01:27:36 [denshi]

well, in either VCD or DVD, it's not worth bothering if the only option is low quality realvideo. If I could get copies of the source tapes, that's another story.

01:27:48 [davb]

GEM: I have the MIT Sussman lectures of SICP on CD, they are not available at all from aduni.org anymore.

01:27:48 [oacs-chump]

Label GEM not found.

01:27:57 [GEM]

OK, that makes sense, I guess, denshi

01:28:02 [GEM]

They aren't? Aww :-(

01:28:35 [GEM]

I have, somewhere, probably, my pre-publication copy of SICP from when I was a lab TA for .001

01:29:03 [davb]

the book, nicely, is available free, but I like my printed copy better.

01:29:48 [davb]

yes.

01:30:28 [davb]

i set you up.

01:30:32 [GEM]

Thanks

01:30:42 [davb]

something is broken still in the portlets, so I might need to reinstall :(

01:31:59 [GEM]

Oooh! I found a bug in the code

01:32:42 [davb]

I CVS updated.

01:32:46 [GEM]

tried to go to "My Files" from the control panel, after switching to the deco theme

01:32:49 [davb]

I might have to go back to a previous tarball.

01:33:02 [GEM]

Do you want the message that I generated?

01:33:08 [GEM]

or shall I not worry about it?

01:33:08 [davb]

I got the same one :)

01:33:16 [GEM]

OK, that's cool.

01:34:04 [davb]

oracle just says "invalid column name

01:34:11 [davb]

no mention of which column is missing

01:34:22 [davb]

wait, yes it does

01:34:40 [davb]

apm_package.parent_id, I think thats bad.

01:35:10 [davb]

anyone know how to get a table description in oracle off-hand?

01:35:32 [denshi]

oracle error messages suck. they're like the industry standard of sucky error messages, surpassed only by those overachievers at Apple, with messages such as (direct quote) "an error has occured."

01:35:47 [denshi]

describe table_name

01:36:21 [davb]

oh, that was easy! thanks!

01:36:38 [davb]

PACKAGE_ID NOT NULL NUMBER(38)

01:36:40 [davb]

hmmm

01:36:47 [davb]

oh nm

01:36:55 [davb]

thats package_id, not parent_id.

01:37:02 [davb]

they must be screwing with the core code.

01:37:13 [denshi]

remember to select from user_tables for more info, joining to user_columns, user_contraints, etc, if necessary.

01:37:14 [talli]

davb: do you have a portals site up?

01:37:27 [davb]

talli: kinda, its broken.

01:37:50 [davb]

actually apm_pacakges.parent_id is i think supposed to be a pl/sql function name.

01:37:56 [talli]

re: subsites - isn't subsites kind of a cheap virtual hosting?

01:38:09 [talli]

is it a bit of a hack?

01:38:11 [davb]

talli: it would like to be.

01:38:14 [davb]

not really.

01:38:30 [talli]

and when VR is in AOLserver4, could subsites be obsolete?

01:38:42 [denshi]

VR?

01:38:47 [talli]

sorry VH

01:38:48 [denshi]

paje, VR?

01:38:48 [paje]

bugger all, i dunno, denshi

01:39:05 [davb]

talli: no. subsites allow you to have users in only one subsite. i can make a user the admin of a subsite, so they can control their site, but not mess with any otehrs.

01:39:08 [denshi]

paje, botsnack

01:39:08 [paje]

:)

01:39:37 [talli]

davb: i see

01:39:56 [talli]

but one should be able to do that in VH as well

01:40:15 [talli]

what you mean is that you can make a user an admin of a node of a larger site with subsites, right?

01:40:38 [talli]

meaning, a subsection of an IP

01:40:43 [davb]

talli: ?

01:41:00 [davb]

each subsite can be served from a differetn domain name.

01:41:15 [talli]

if i have x.davb.com, y.davb.com and z.davb.com, i would be using VH

01:41:15 [davb]

they are seperate, but use the same database and tcl files.

01:41:25 [talli]

ah, ok

01:41:38 [talli]

why is that preferable to VH, though? what would the difference be?

01:42:04 [davb]

I am not sure how the virtual hosting will work?

01:42:22 [davb]

right now with nsvhr, i have 3 aolservers running for 2 sites. 2 databases, etc...

01:42:36 [davb]

with domain-based subsites, I only need one of each.

01:43:08 [talli]

3 aolservers for 2sites with a db each?

01:43:42 [davb]

well for each site.

01:43:44 [talli]

the way i might understand vh is that you need one aolserver to manage 2 sites with a db easch

01:43:53 [davb]

sure, that would work.

01:44:09 [davb]

but for the crappy sites I am planning on hosting, much fewer resources with only one database.

01:44:25 [talli]

so with subsites, you have one db, but two sites, right?

01:44:53 [davb]

imagine GEM's scenario, 1000's of similar sites, but each run by a different entity.

01:44:59 [davb]

talli: or more.

01:45:05 [talli]

right

01:45:07 [GEM]

davb: *grin* I was about to mention that

01:45:30 [davb]

if they each have alot of custom code, no advantage of running them in the same openacs.

01:46:08 [talli]

so one would need vh

01:46:13 [GEM]

but if you start from the beginning designing it to share code because they are all very similar at a basic level, it's very helpful to have one database :-)

01:46:29 [talli]

i agree

01:46:46 [talli]

so with each aolserver instance, you need a separate db?

01:47:07 [davb]

talli: you could probably hack it to use one database, that would be interesting.

01:47:32 [talli]

or is the idea that because aolserver is multithreaded, it makes more sense to use one aolserver with each subsite having its own thread?

01:47:38 [davb]

GEM, i want to work out a system to export the data to split of an especially active site to it's own database. ( well, fantasy anyway)

01:47:55 [davb]

talli: no clue :)

01:48:03 [GEM]

davb: an *excellent* idea for my system!

01:48:13 [GEM]

Thanks!

01:48:51 [davb]

I would like to build it in to openacs. so you can replicate a subsite entirely. of course a single site is still a subsite, so it would work for any site to be able to export the entire install and reload it.

01:49:12 [rbm]

ooom

01:49:28 [GEM]

davb: sweet!

01:49:34 [davb]

* davb wonders if the dorlrn changes to acs-core are checked in...

01:50:52 [GEM]

OK, time for me to go sleep - night all

01:51:23 [davb]

good night

01:53:24 [davb]

ack, I just updated ALL of my development checkouts....

01:53:25 [davb]

oops

01:54:07 [rbm]

cvs should not overwrite your modified files though

01:54:59 [davb]

np. my important stuff is in my private repository.

01:55:42 [davb]

didn't help anyway :)

01:57:01 [davb]

I'll have to check back tomorrow. openacs4.5 is not up to date with the code dotlrn is using.

01:58:34 [davb]

maybe not: create function apm_package__parent_id

01:59:22 [davb]

nm, it seems to be in there.

01:59:27 [davb]

* davb cleans glasses

02:00:44 [davb]

at least I am not totally blind, just using the wrong version of code for openacs-4.5

02:03:30 [davb]

thanks to jim and his tblspace-create script!

02:05:45 [davb]

reinstall is for another day

02:06:11 [davb]

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02:27:16 [denshi]

hey, talli, has chrismj show his face around here recently?

02:27:44 [denshi]

oacs-loggy: chrismj?

02:33:01 [rbm]

paje: seen chrismj?

02:33:02 [paje]

chrismj was last seen on #openacs 26 days, 20 hours, 48 minutes and 5 seconds ago, saying: so that's why I'm getting a few people together to build this (UI, graphics, db, programming) [Tue Mar 12 22:45:36 2002]

02:34:44 [dwalker]

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02:38:49 [talli]

chrismj was here under another name, i believe

02:38:54 [talli]

paje, seen chris?

02:38:54 [paje]

I haven't seen 'chris', talli

02:41:58 [denshi]

loggy sez he was here under 'norelent'

02:42:05 [denshi]

paje: seen norelent?

02:42:05 [paje]

norelent was last seen on #openacs 12 days, 20 hours, 55 minutes and 14 seconds ago, saying: :) [Tue Mar 26 22:47:31 2002]

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02:58:14 [rbm]

Anyone knows of a good scanner to do OCR (w/ software included)?

02:59:43 [talli]

you mean on windows? ;)

03:00:26 [rbm]

Yep

03:00:35 [talli]

whoa. no i don't

03:01:11 [adler]

rbm: offshore sweatshops

03:01:23 [talli]

adler: touche

03:01:39 [talli]

adler: what's goin' on? long time no IRC

03:01:41 [adler]

* adler nods

03:02:00 [talli]

john klos finally got some mobile communication device

03:02:04 [adler]

i'm busy with a non-oacs gig

03:02:23 [talli]

i got an email from his pager. i think he originated it

03:02:51 [adler]

heh.. It's getting warm, so it's park weather, I'm thinking

03:03:36 [talli]

haha

03:03:46 [talli]

thanks for the tip on him, btw

03:03:52 [adler]

ever since the wireless thing has been taking off, it's been too cold to use it, imho

03:03:54 [talli]

he's been helpful with some sysadmin tasks

03:04:01 [talli]

yeah

03:04:19 [talli]

but it's not that powerful in thompkins.

03:04:30 [adler]

John's a good friend. He's taught me a lot about Unix

03:04:37 [talli]

i have a friend that lives right on the park at 7th btwn a and b and she can't get it in her apartment

03:05:35 [adler]

I think the transmitter is in Accidental CDs. If there's a challenge, I imagine he could upgrade it.

03:05:43 [adler]

With some cash, too.

03:06:03 [talli]

yeah, we could all upgrade with some cash

03:06:07 [denshi]

anyone know a system-wide param to make adp evaluation more tolerant of errors?

03:06:35 [adler]

I gave up my place in Brooklyn because I"m living/working in NJ... but I do have to bring my laptop one of these spring days.

03:06:51 [denshi]

so that, for example, the relevant block of html renders as 'error' rather than aborting the entire page

03:09:02 [hazmat]

denshi: wrap the acs adp parser with a custom parser that does error handling?

03:09:06 [talli]

adler: where are you working?

03:09:24 [denshi]

that's one idea..

03:10:53 [adler]

talli - small software shop - liquor retail systems. Postgresql, Java, Cygwin... How's Musea?

03:11:02 [talli]

oh man

03:11:09 [adler]

that great?

03:11:16 [talli]

postgres, java and cygwin?

03:11:27 [adler]

I still have some hair left.

03:11:28 [talli]

we're all right

03:11:32 [talli]

reasonably steady

03:11:38 [talli]

is that combo stable?

03:11:52 [talli]

the postgres part sounds right, but why cygwin?

03:12:22 [adler]

Cygwin is the best (only?) way to run postgres on Windows.

03:12:31 [hazmat]

only

03:12:33 [talli]

ugh. why windows, i guess?

03:13:02 [hazmat]

but running on postgres on windows is liking building your castle on quicksand imo

03:13:08 [adler]

we're selling retail point of sales systems. clientele = "salt of the earth"

03:13:15 [talli]

haha

03:13:19 [talli]

yowch

03:13:26 [hazmat]

adler: you have the db running on the POS client???

03:13:38 [adler]

hazmat (postmaster -F)

03:13:53 [talli]

woof.

03:14:03 [adler]

if it's a single unit store, yeah, client and server on same machine

03:14:21 [talli]

was mysql ruled out?

03:14:27 [talli]

becuase it's gpl?

03:14:32 [talli]

or becuase of transactions?

03:14:37 [talli]

(at least it runs on windows)

03:14:43 [adler]

That decision was made a year ago... I think the developer just like the Features of pg

03:14:54 [talli]

so do we :)

03:15:07 [hazmat]

* hazmat scored a job today :-)

03:15:30 [denshi]

kickass!!

03:15:30 [talli]

congrats!!!

03:15:31 [denshi]

where?

03:15:32 [talli]

what is it?

03:15:36 [adler]

hazmat: made the downpayment on the BMW, yet?

03:16:16 [hazmat]

local in la

03:16:22 [hazmat]

doing zope/python work

03:16:37 [talli]

websites or apps?

03:16:38 [hazmat]

adler: how bout paying my taxes :-)

03:16:54 [hazmat]

apps and distributed systems

03:17:01 [adler]

hazmat: I did that with my credit card last year

03:17:07 [hazmat]

* hazmat is tired of websites

03:17:28 [hazmat]

adler: thats doesn't sound like a bad idea ;)

03:17:40 [hazmat]

* hazmat contemplates his credit card interest rate

03:17:41 [denshi]

I'm tired of websites, too. I just want to code the sites I wanted to build in 1999, then quit.

03:17:48 [talli]

hazmat: cool. websites really are uninteresting

03:17:48 [adler]

talli: tell Patrick that I'm helping wfmu archive to mp3 instead of realplayer

03:18:00 [talli]

killer!

03:18:08 [talli]

how?

03:18:18 [denshi]

drive time.. bye guys

03:18:19 [talli]

pat prays to wfmu

03:18:25 [adler]

hahaha

03:18:25 [hazmat]

bye denshi

03:18:25 [talli]

later denshi

03:18:28 [adler]

by denshi

03:18:36 [denshi]

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03:19:06 [talli]

what are you using? PG and linux?

03:19:06 [adler]

I just started emailing Ken Freedman... realized that they didn't have the systems expertise, and wouldn't be able to tell that I didn't either

03:19:17 [talli]

haha

03:19:35 [adler]

Linux, esound, lame

03:19:59 [talli]

lame?

03:20:07 [talli]

is that a euphemism for lamp?

03:20:15 [adler]

Lame Is Not an Mpeg Encoder

03:20:22 [talli]

ah

03:20:23 [adler]

s/I/i/

03:20:30 [talli]

are you going to DB the archives?

03:20:42 [talli]

ah, the recursive names

03:21:05 [adler]

They already have a DB system for the realplayer archives, so I'll try to integrate with that.

03:21:08 [talli]

and where does wfmu collo?

03:21:16 [talli]

cool

03:21:18 [adler]

oven.com I think

03:21:27 [talli]

don't know them

03:21:51 [adler]

do you have bandwidth to give away?

03:21:57 [adler]

:)

03:22:11 [talli]

btw, is there a unix window manager that can work on 32 mbs of ram?

03:22:29 [adler]

tom's window manager would be the best bet...

03:22:32 [adler]

twm

03:22:42 [talli]

i have a pII 200 with 32 mbs i would like to make a workstation

03:22:47 [talli]

twm, thanks

03:23:20 [adler]

talli: do you know how much 64 megs of ram costs? It's not worth your time to wait for swapping.

03:24:36 [talli]

good point

03:24:49 [talli]

i forgot i could upgrade

03:24:54 [adler]

I wonder if there is a debian user who knows how to get out of a " unable to execute post-installation script" apt error

03:25:19 [adler]

that spork guy told me about "www.newegg.com" they are so fucking cheap

03:25:46 [talli]

* talli curses that fry's isn't open past 9

03:26:47 [adler]

talli - will you ask Pat if he can sponsor a mirror of wfmu's high-bandwidth archives?

03:27:03 [talli]

sponsor how? with money?

03:27:25 [talli]

we might be able to sponsor with bandwidth

03:27:35 [adler]

that would be really attractive

03:28:17 [talli]

we've got a shitload of unused bandwidth, so maybe we could help out

03:28:25 [adler]

yes!

03:28:38 [adler]

talli: imagine the prestige. priceless

03:29:02 [talli]

yeah

03:29:24 [talli]

all the dirty, leftie, alternative hippies who listen to noncommercial radio

03:29:29 [talli]

they'll love us

03:29:58 [adler]

Ken only wants to start with 32kbps only, but I'm building it to generating many tiers of service

03:30:17 [adler]

The bandwidth costs are what is holding him back

03:30:33 [adler]

talli: are you pretending to not be a dirty hippy?

03:31:26 [adler]

we need to make you a button "first class wfmu benefactor" that you can wear to the Tonic... I want one too.

03:31:35 [talli]

haha. that would be good

03:31:57 [talli]

if it got me dates with all the cute little indy rocker girls, that might be ok

03:32:06 [talli]

but then i would have to dis them for being so friggin lame

03:32:16 [adler]

oohh!

03:32:20 [adler]

but seriously

03:32:43 [talli]

but if i could get dave tronzo to give me a thumbs up, it would be worth it

03:32:49 [adler]

what is the currency of presitige other than lame hipster chicks?

03:33:08 [talli]

man, if that's all... well, i guess it's enough

03:33:17 [adler]

sign me up

03:33:21 [talli]

i'm pretty down on hipster chicks, though

03:33:32 [adler]

who is Dave Tronzo? clue me in.

03:33:43 [talli]

they're usually too stuck in the ironic trend of the moment to be worth it

03:33:54 [adler]

talli: does it have to be so Us versus Them?

03:33:55 [talli]

tronzo is god

03:34:08 [adler]

I've heard *that* guy

03:34:13 [talli]

well, they also seem to have an aversion to getting naked with me

03:34:17 [talli]

so, no it doesn't

03:34:19 [talli]

but i blame them

03:35:01 [talli]

tronzo is a guitarist that doesn't like the music biz so he makes money by being a carpenter

03:35:09 [talli]

he's a bit crazy, but he's an amazing musician

03:35:14 [talli]

do you know michael blake?

03:35:19 [adler]

nope

03:35:27 [talli]

saxophonist

03:35:36 [adler]

do women with expensive glasses sleep with him, too?

03:35:39 [talli]

you know kenny wolleson and tony scherr, right?

03:35:45 [talli]

oh my god

03:36:03 [adler]

yeah... we talked about them last time... Sex Mob

03:36:03 [talli]

women with expensive glasses are *exactly* what hipsters are.

03:36:06 [talli]

you're a genius

03:36:09 [talli]

yeah, sexmob

03:36:23 [talli]

tronzo and blake play with kenny and tony in a band called Slow Poke

03:36:26 [talli]

which is great too

03:36:33 [adler]

I had a crush on Kenny's gf... for a weekend.

03:36:49 [talli]

kenny's gf? the little one?

03:37:06 [talli]

i think i heard they broke up. my bro is good friends with kenny, i think he mentioend something about that

03:37:11 [adler]

this was a year plus ago.. perhaps 'gf' overstates it..

03:37:24 [adler]

hey! I never touched her! I swear!

03:37:27 [talli]

i think her nickname was "kenny's little iranian boy"

03:37:37 [adler]

she had no hair

03:37:44 [adler]

a cook

03:38:18 [adler]

she is not attractive to bearded boys 6 years her junior

03:38:35 [adler]

s/attractive/attracted/

03:38:57 [talli]

oh, different girl then

03:39:01 [adler]

Maybe I'm thinking of a different sexmob

03:39:20 [talli]

there is no other sexmob

03:39:55 [adler]

Every man is his own Sexmob

03:40:48 [adler]

You know, apache is the last package on Debian that I thought would be broken..

03:44:55 [hazmat]

hipster chicks??

03:45:19 [talli]

hipster chicks are the bane of my existence

03:45:59 [hazmat]

* hazmat likes the sane new-age over the hippies.

03:46:02 [adler]

the fuel of the Great Sexual Frustration of NYC

03:46:09 [hazmat]

ah

03:46:25 [hazmat]

* hazmat had a thing for hippy chicks for a while.

03:47:05 [talli]

big difference between the hippies and the hipsters

03:47:10 [hazmat]

which is?

03:47:40 [adler]

where to begin

03:47:49 [hazmat]

the beginning :-)

03:48:24 [adler]

I'm calling on talli's wisdom for this one

03:48:48 [talli]

hipsters are not made of pachoili oil

03:48:54 [hazmat]

ok

03:49:09 [talli]

hippies are too earnest

03:49:16 [talli]

hipsters don't understand how ironic they are

03:49:22 [adler]

keep going

03:50:19 [talli]

hippies don't shave

03:50:30 [talli]

hipsters may shave their box

03:50:35 [adler]

oh man

03:50:36 [talli]

(hopefully)

03:50:45 [talli]

i should have #'ed that one

03:50:58 [adler]

I'm glad you did

03:50:59 [talli]

i'm goign to stop while already far behind

03:51:27 [hazmat]

sounds like hipsters are urbanite hippies :-)

03:51:55 [talli]

alas, i believe that they arise from the same suburban ooze

03:52:10 [talli]

one goes rural, the other goes concrete

03:52:24 [talli]

and i must go away from the computer for a while

03:52:25 [adler]

It's different methods of contriving bohemianism

03:52:32 [talli]

see you germs in a later

03:52:37 [adler]

see you talli

03:52:43 [hazmat]

cheers wise one

03:52:54 [talli]

* talli walks off to sit in front of another, less interactive box

03:53:43 [hazmat]

* hazmat sees talli's brain melting and oozing out of his ears... melt-down.

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05:46:48 [rbm]

anyone with tax knowledge info?

05:47:34 [rbm]

Can one deduct the purchase taxes you pay when you buy things? Does that qualify as "local taxes"?

07:00:30 [hazmat]

* hazmat recommends quicken

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07:00:46 [hazmat]

* hazmat and turbotax

07:06:57 [rbm]

quicken and turbotax don't handle 1040NR or 1040NR-EZ

07:07:06 [rbm]

They only handle 1040 and 1040-EZ

07:07:11 [rbm]

I tried.

12:31:49 [Psychephylax]

morning

12:37:28 [davb]

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12:54:38 [davb]

hello

12:54:38 [paje]

privet, davb

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14:16:01 [markd2]

wow. full house today

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15:18:05 [rbm]

ooom

15:19:24 [davb]

hi rbm

15:33:43 [rbm]

hi davb

15:41:16 [markd2]

sure

15:41:28 [rbm]

sent

15:41:46 [markd2]

sent

15:41:51 [davb]

cool. it is weird. I am not sure if I am gettig all my mail, but there it no way to tell except to ask everyone who sends one.

15:41:55 [davb]

thanks. those work.

15:47:12 [davb]

ack. time warner is going to charge extra if you go over their undisclosed bandwidth limit...

15:52:49 [shagster]

And they'll also put you on double secret probation!

16:08:27 [davb]

yeah! verisign spam gets through.

16:08:35 [davb]

to my email account.

16:10:19 [rbm]

I'll have to install spamassassin sometime

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16:27:05 [yonatanfeldman]

* yonatanfeldman wassup bork!

16:27:21 [markd2]

Yon!

16:27:23 [markd2]

nammach

16:28:58 [talli]

who is this intruder?

16:29:07 [markd2]

he's cool

16:29:18 [yonatanfeldman]

* yonatanfeldman he knows who i am, the punk

16:29:24 [markd2]

heh

16:29:29 [markd2]

in that case I can tell the truth now

16:29:30 [talli]

i hear he's not very good with women

16:29:42 [markd2]

but he'll fit right in with the goat culture here

16:29:44 [talli]

they don't like the accent

16:29:49 [talli]

or the "kiss kiss"

16:30:12 [yonatanfeldman]

* yonatanfeldman that's what they tell me anyway

16:31:17 [talli]

do they mention the other "insufficiency" too? or does the disappointed look say it all?

16:32:28 [yonatanfeldman]

* yonatanfeldman the fact that they are sleeping right after my "done-in-one" usually gives it away

16:33:05 [talli]

wow, you bore them that much?

16:34:40 [yonatanfeldman]

* yonatanfeldman it's my specialty

16:36:01 [rbm]

yonatanfeldman: Is your client set to put everything you say in a "/me" ?

16:36:39 [rbm]

Has anybody done Delphi/Kylix here?

16:37:15 [rbm]

brb

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16:51:53 [davb]

interesting: "All domains must have an "A" record for the root of the domain. Believe it or not, omitting this "A" record may prevent some mail servers from delivering your email correctly. "

16:52:17 [davb]

can I point multiple A records to the same ip?

16:53:54 [davb]

btw, domainmonger.com gives you DNS service with a registration of transfer free for a year. after that its 4,95

16:53:57 [davb]

I might switch.

16:58:15 [davb]

anyone looked at this?

16:58:16 [davb]

http://www.opencyc.org/

16:58:16 [oacs-chump]

A: http://www.opencyc.org/ from davb

16:58:31 [davb]

A:|OpenCyc.org "Formalized Common Knowledge

16:58:31 [oacs-chump]

titled item A

16:58:43 [davb]

A:|OpenCyc.org "Formalized Common Knowledge"

16:58:43 [oacs-chump]

titled item A

16:59:22 [davb]

yeah!

16:59:27 [davb]

dotlrn demo is back up.

17:00:17 [talli]

davb: where can i look at it?

17:03:21 [davb]

oops

17:03:24 [davb]

wrong ip address

17:03:35 [davb]

argh

17:07:51 [davb]

talli: let me know when you sign up and I will approve you

17:08:38 [talli]

ok, i can't get to the site right now, though

17:08:48 [davb]

hmm.

17:08:53 [davb]

which one :)

17:09:07 [talli]

oh, wait

17:09:12 [talli]

i put in the ip wrong

17:10:22 [talli]

davb: all of the ips seem to time out

17:10:51 [davb]

hmmm

17:10:57 [davb]

It is working ok for me.

17:12:22 [talli]

ok, davb, i registered

17:12:23 [talli]

thanks

17:13:18 [davb]

talli, did you register at /dotlrn/?

17:13:28 [talli]

yeah

17:13:36 [talli]

but the link broke

17:13:44 [davb]

argh

17:13:45 [davb]

:)

17:14:30 [davb]

look what you did! Error: GET /register/user-new email=\

17:14:31 [davb]

talli%40museatech%2enet&persistent%5fcookie%5fp=1&return%5furl=%2fdotlrn%2f ora\

17:14:32 [davb]

8.c:3682:ora_tcl_command: error in `OCIStmtPrepare ()': ORA-24373: invalid leng\

17:14:32 [davb]

th specified for statement

17:14:59 [talli]

yup, that was me

17:15:39 [davb]

i added you. not sure why its not working...

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17:55:56 [michaels]

davb: just tried to sign up and got a request error

17:57:37 [davb]

yeah, there seems to be a bug.

17:57:39 [davb]

:)

18:01:27 [davb]

weird.

18:01:32 [davb]

there is no query...

18:06:01 [davb]

fixed.

18:06:12 [davb]

an xql file is missing, must have been mistakenly removed frm cvs

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18:13:10 [michaels]

heh.. my home machine just got booted :P

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18:22:26 [michaels]

davb: what is new portal?

18:22:49 [davb]

its is a replacement for the portals package.

18:23:09 [davb]

so if you write a "portlet" for your package, it can show up in the portal.

18:23:19 [davb]

it is really nice. much easier than the old one.

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18:41:39 [michaels]

part of dotlrn?

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18:54:04 [denshi]

hey abbaj

18:54:16 [abbaJ]

heya denshi

18:54:50 [denshi]

abbaj, do you do any acsish work down in austin?

18:55:06 [abbaJ]

I'm starting a project right now

18:55:47 [davb]

michaels: new-portal is used by dotlrn, but I think it will be a part of openacs. you can use new-portal without dotlrn.

18:57:03 [michaels]

are there a lot of dependencies with dotlrn or can i download the thing from cvs and use it with oacs?

18:58:30 [davb]

check out dotlrn.openforce.net, it tells all :)

18:58:47 [davb]

you need the development branch of openacs.

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19:09:40 [denshi]

welcome back

19:10:02 [davb]

thanks, a little windows crash.

19:10:49 [denshi]

I've managed to get window not to crash, unless I use DirectX.

19:11:09 [davb]

not bad. i am using windows 98, plus microsoft access

19:11:13 [denshi]

of course, I only boot windows for games, so DirectX is right in the line of fire..

19:11:52 [davb]

ah. at home I restrict windows to games and graphics applications.

19:11:56 [denshi]

I recommend NT2k. It's VMS with a GUI. It even smells like VMS.

19:12:23 [davb]

I'll have to try that.

19:12:47 [davb]

denshi: good insight on the psets

19:12:56 [davb]

lets volunteer vinod to write them while he's out of the country

19:15:09 [denshi]

yes! dave, you are the man!

19:15:29 [denshi]

I'll steal his pants, you steal his free time.

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19:15:54 [denshi]

look out! goats!

19:16:08 [davb]

denshi: that division of effect sounds good to me. I definitely don't want to switch.

19:16:14 [markd2]

heh

19:16:17 [davb]

s/effect/effort

19:19:54 [davb]

http://www.zefrank.com/giveaway4/

19:19:54 [oacs-chump]

B: http://www.zefrank.com/giveaway4/ from davb

19:20:01 [davb]

B:|When Office Supplies Attack

19:20:01 [oacs-chump]

titled item B

20:29:12 [davb]

time to go.

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22:45:03 [GEM]

denshi: if it's that much like VMS, where is the huge shelf-full of manuals? :-)

22:45:29 [denshi]

I can't bring myself to believe you're serious.

22:46:44 [denshi]

at least with VMS you were set after buying the wall of books. with NT you have to buy shares in Borders & Amazon to offset your manual expenses.

22:47:41 [GEM]

*grin* Too true!

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