IRC log of openacs on 2002-04-07

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00:09:31 [denshi]
time to get my weekend started...
00:09:34 [denshi]
bye
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00:15:36 [GEM]
hmm. sick idea...relational database in Excel? :-)
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03:14:30 [GEM]
Hi hazmat
03:14:49 [hazmat]
Hi GEM
03:18:46 [davb]
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03:24:35 [GEM]
Hm. trying to build from source, per the documentation, and not getting too far :-(
03:24:52 [GEM]
docs in http://openacs.org/doc/openacs-4/aolserver.html
03:27:30 [GEM]
Odd. it claims to have found that gcc is called with "cc", that we are not using GNU cc and that we are cross-compiling
03:27:58 [GEM]
this on a Debian woody system that I just updated today. Wonder if that broke something
03:30:38 [davb]
hi.
03:30:40 [davb]
weird.
03:30:45 [davb]
Should work fine.
03:30:51 [davb]
let me try it. woody is testing?
03:32:02 [davb]
GEM : also which aolserver are you using?
03:32:41 [davb]
i just compiled 3.4.2-openacs and it worked ok.
03:33:14 [GEM]
Yes, woody is testing
03:33:47 [davb]
ok. i tried it over on my web server box, which I just installed a couple of days ago with woody and it built ok.
03:33:52 [GEM]
I was using the 3.3+ad13 as suggested in the openacs-4 docs I mentioned
03:34:02 [davb]
i suspect that would work for me to.
03:34:09 [GEM]
Where's 3.4.2-openacs?
03:34:13 [davb]
my 'cc' calls gcc
03:34:37 [GEM]
I don't have a "cc" - "which cc" returns blank
03:34:55 [GEM]
'scuse me - need to say goodnight to my stepdaughter
03:35:01 [davb]
np
03:35:11 [davb]
weird.
03:35:23 [davb]
you must be missing some package.
03:35:42 [davb]
my cc is in /usr/bin/cc linked to /etc/aletrnatives/cc
03:36:00 [davb]
which links back . usr/bin/gcc
03:36:16 [davb]
http://uptime.openacs.org/aolserver-openacs/
03:36:16 [oacs-chump]
A: http://uptime.openacs.org/aolserver-openacs/ from davb
03:36:29 [davb]
A:| Alternative AOLserver distribution for OpenACS
03:36:29 [oacs-chump]
titled item A
03:39:43 [davb]
weird, it says no package owns that...
03:40:03 [GEM]
huh. I wonder what I am missing
03:40:32 [davb]
do you have a /etc/alternatives directory?
03:40:43 [GEM]
let me check
03:42:04 [GEM]
I do have the directory
03:43:00 [davb]
any cc in there?
03:43:12 [GEM]
nope
03:45:00 [davb]
i would say just symlink /usr/bin/gcc to /usr/bin/cc to see if it works, but it is bugging me that you don't have those links...
03:45:21 [GEM]
it's bugging me, too, and I'll deal with it later - it is too late now
03:45:29 [GEM]
remember - spring forward tonight :-)
03:45:37 [davb]
right, thanks
03:45:52 [GEM]
Will have to catch you later and see what we can do later
03:46:05 [GEM]
I am thinking about making a "library" package :-)
03:46:53 [GEM]
I think I'd prefer to use "update-alternatives"
03:49:36 [davb]
ok.
03:51:54 [GEM]
Huh. "apt-get install gcc" installs some stuff. this confuses me
03:52:25 [GEM]
cause I had a gcc installed. apparently, not the gcc package
03:53:25 [GEM]
I suppose that it is possible that I had not installed gcc, but I truly thought I had
03:53:32 [GEM]
./conf is working much better now
03:53:45 [GEM]
taking actual time, not 8 seconds or whatever it took before
03:54:49 [davb]
excellent.
04:08:01 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. Looks like our first cutover to the latest code is going to be Europe. Wallops and notices to users on each individual server will keep track of the conversions. Expect some netsplits and joins. Apologies for the inconvenience and thank you for using OPN!
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04:27:36 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. Our primary European hubbing is now going to be restarted. This will affect all of Europe and should take a bit longer to recover. Please bear with us.
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04:31:13 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. OPN's European leaf and hub nodes have all been converted. Users in Europe will notice that they once again receive errors when directing private messages no nonexistent nicks. Various other problems have been corrected. Next scheduled upgrades will be around 8am OPN time (UTC). Thanks for your patience.
04:53:16 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. Just a reminder. In roughly 4 hours we'll be restarting the US servers and main hubs to upgrade to resolve a few remaining problems. Expect some service disruption at that time. Thanks.
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09:43:04 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. We found a buglet in the new code in KLINE processing and will be back up on the old code in Europe momentarily.
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09:55:49 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. Please bear with us as we diagnose and resolve this latest problem. Coder is online looking at it now.
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10:00:14 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. If you just came in, we're diagnosing a problem with both old and new code that the upgrade has exposed. Please bear with us. Thanks.
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10:07:28 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Further detail on WALLOPS (/umode +w, /mode <yournick> +w, etc)
10:33:50 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. We have the issue resolved and will finish the conversion. We're going to restart the core servers and the main hubbing, which will be pretty painful, then we'll do Europe, then Australia. Please bear with us and expect fairly massive service interruption. We'll come out of it with some more bug issues resolved. Thanks.
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10:36:11 [carter.openprojects.net]
topic is: OpenACS: Free Web Toolkit, 4.5=Tcl and proud of it!
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Users on #openacs: oacs-logger paje rbm shagster abbaJ _djg_ til tontsa
10:36:12 [ChanServ]
[#openacs] This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog
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10:48:55 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Main hubbing will now be converted. Please hold on tight.
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10:53:14 [lilo]
[Global Notice] The main rotation and hubbing are all back up on new code. There will be some smaller conversions for the next few minutes. Thanks for your patience and thank you for using OPN! :)
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11:09:07 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. We're going to do NZ and AU next. I'll post one more notice when the servers are all done.
11:16:23 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Okay, looks like everything is converted successfully. Thanks for your patience.
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19:06:08 [talli]
hey rbm, davb
19:06:17 [davb]
hi
19:06:17 [paje]
hello, davb
19:06:22 [talli]
hi
19:06:28 [talli]
fuck you paje
19:06:41 [talli]
davb: are you going to be able to make the social?
19:07:12 [davb]
i hope so. I just have to make sure I can get off from work. but it looks good so far.
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19:07:38 [talli]
ok, cool
19:07:44 [talli]
lemme know if you need a place to crash
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19:07:58 [davb]
thanks.
19:08:13 [talli]
rbm: did you get any notification from travelocity about your flight?
19:09:28 [GEM]
THis is the social in my old stomping grounds? (Somerville?)
19:10:27 [talli]
yeah
19:10:33 [talli]
GEM: are you in boston anymore?
19:10:34 [oacs-chump]
Label GEM not found.
19:11:42 [GEM]
talli: not since my wedding, Sept 22
19:12:16 [GEM]
I used to get horribly lost in Somerville, proper, but Cambridge, Arlington, Boston were fine :-)
19:18:07 [davb]
brb
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19:36:27 [GEM]
davb: Partial success on my debian install. got aolserver compiled and working
19:36:37 [GEM]
now to get the openacs parts going :-)
19:40:54 [davb]
no problem, should work fine.
19:41:06 [davb]
ns_xml compiles nicely on Woody now :)
19:46:22 [GEM]
I'm trying to figure out how to integrate the nice instructions on the openacs web site with the default debian locations for things
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20:02:45 [davb]
ah, good idea.
20:09:44 [GEM]
There are pieces of how the files interact that I have not worked out in my head yet
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20:18:57 [GEM]
davb: do you know what files should be findable in PGLIB and PGINC?
20:44:17 [davb]
i think PGLIB is /usr/lib/pgsql/lib/
20:44:17 [paje]
Hmm. No matches for that, davb.
20:44:22 [davb]
heh
20:44:37 [davb]
you are using a postgresql debian package?
20:44:47 [davb]
hi IRCMonkey
20:48:22 [GEM]
Ahh, I think I needed to have installed postgresql-dev, as well as postgresql with apt-get :-)
20:48:39 [davb]
yes. that is where the inc files are.
20:48:48 [davb]
are you planning on installing openfts?
20:48:59 [GEM]
OK, so I am slowly getting the set of packages necessary :-)
20:49:12 [GEM]
I think that that would be a good thing, in the long run
20:49:25 [davb]
you don't need postgresql-dev for plain openacs, but you do for openfts.
20:59:43 [GEM]
OK, off to dinner now
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23:09:30 [GEM]
Hey talli
23:09:52 [talli]
hey GEM
23:10:02 [talli]
what's doin' today?
23:29:34 [hazmat]
hi talli
23:30:57 [talli]
hey hazmat
23:31:11 [hazmat]
hows it going?
23:31:30 [talli]
pretty good, you?
23:32:28 [hazmat]
looking for work, and working, still
23:56:02 [GEM]
talli: installing OACS4.5 on my newest debian box. slowly slowly
23:56:24 [GEM]
trying to work, anyway, after a wonderful meal at Outback Steakhouse
23:57:34 [talli]
hazmat: http://www.craigslist.org/sfo/sof/3370061.html
23:58:52 [hazmat]
cool, i'll check it out, thanks... i had two interviews last week hopefully something will turn up soon...
23:59:23 [hazmat]
talli: whatever happened with that girl whose play you went to?
23:59:35 [hazmat]
* hazmat is insatiable curious :-)