00:17:05 night guys 00:17:21 denshi has quit () 00:22:52 oh, thanks again rbm. 00:23:54 rescue cd.. cool.. its a debian package 00:25:25 davb: around? 00:25:40 davb: What's that CSS reference site again? 00:25:40 yeah... 00:25:57 google for css reference, its the first one. 00:26:06 thats what I always do :) 00:26:15 we need a googlebot. 00:26:48 davb: which package you're talking about? I was referring to the LinuxCare CD, which I have an iso of (and a real one too, it's a credit-card-sized cd) 00:26:51 yeah 00:26:57 paje: google? 00:26:57 i guess google is my friend... just found linpopup on google :) 00:27:07 paje: google css reference 00:27:07 rbm: i'm not following you... 00:27:11 paje: #@)%!)@*#!%#@!!! 00:27:11 rbm: excuse me? 00:28:26 neat 00:28:32 neat 00:28:42 ok never mind i was crazy for a second. 00:28:59 do you know where to get the iso? google is linking to a bunch of mailing list questions about it. 00:29:23 trying linuxcare.com/open source projects 00:29:33 bootable toolbox? 00:29:53 ah thats it. now I need some mimi cds. 00:30:42 i need to dl to my windows machine b/c my cdr is not working in linux right now... 00:31:04 davb: I have the iso and can make it available. hang on 00:31:36 It's been available for some time at http://www.brasileiro.net/roberto/bin/ 00:31:42 look for the 2 linuxcare files 00:32:24 It's only 50 Mbs 00:33:43 thanks. 00:33:53 np 00:33:58 sorry, I am dling from linuxcare.com already. 00:34:08 but thanks! 00:35:16 works too 00:36:50 ...must...resist...urge...to...check....email.... 00:45:19 great quote from the bboard: " The last points, I have looked at ez, uportal, Apache project, OpenCMS, etc. they do not even come close to having the same functions, support or advantages licensing that this weird group and OpenACS can offer. OpenACS could write the book on excellent support and enthusiasm. So again, actions speak louder than words. This group is full of action and honest opinions but not so good on diplomatic words. " 00:45:56 davb has changed the topic to: Openacs: Free web toolkit, weird group, excellent support and enthusiasm 00:47:34 I like that too 00:48:00 davb has changed the topic to: Openacs: Free web toolkit, 100% donb, 0% hype 00:52:42 wow, a rescue CD is way nicer than a rescue floppy 00:55:19 rbm: is there a way to get a console? 00:55:25 nm :) 01:07:03 one thing that is weird... the linuxcare cd says your "USE" of these products subjects you to the following licenses: GPL etc... 01:10:46 ok. i repartitioned the drive. now I can reinstall debian. 01:14:26 i think I have bad RAM... 01:14:41 i am getting a crc error uncompressing the kernel from the debian cd 01:16:37 bad iso? 01:17:35 i used it before... 01:17:40 but it might be a bad cd 01:17:53 trying the floppies 01:19:44 argh 01:19:51 still won;t initialize the partition. 01:19:55 back to linuxcare... 01:36:22 uhoh 01:36:27 all signs point to bad ram... 01:36:35 well only half of it is bad, i stil have 128mb 01:58:33 ok that didn't help, replacing processor 02:00:51 yikes 02:00:55 what's the problem? 02:00:55 hmmm... the problem is dotlrn, at least according to don, will fix alot of missing pieces in OpenACS. 02:01:03 lol 02:01:44 The most interesting things can come out of leaving paje listening to things :) 02:13:33 didnt help 02:13:56 what's the symptom? 02:14:02 either I get LI from lilo and then the machine hangs, or I get most of the way booted and it says error loading auto 02:14:13 paje: the syptoms are whatever you're feeling right now 02:14:13 OK, rbm. 02:14:21 or the debian installer says it can't read me partition table. 02:14:35 How big in the HD? Is your mobo pretty recent? 02:14:40 yeah. 02:14:42 20 GB 02:15:00 wait... i think it bios is detecting the hd wrong. it says LRG instead of LBA 02:15:02 I suggest you upgrade the bios before trying anything else. I had this problem and that solved it. 02:15:07 bingo 02:15:17 s/upgrade/update/ 02:15:20 weird. it was working yesterday. ok. thanks for listening. 02:16:33 np 02:18:40 ok, bios is already latest edition. 02:19:41 yeah. i got past that step. 02:20:06 i wish I could afford to pay someone to do this stuff... and I wish I had a 20gb tape drive :) 02:20:40 heheh 02:20:44 installing debian. 02:20:58 I just want to hack software. I am tired of playing with hardware. 02:22:08 back to check the easy stuff first. 02:22:19 i took out ram and it was a silly bios settting. 02:23:10 * davb makes a boot floppy, just in case 02:24:20 "The most stupid, tiniest thing will usually be the culprit of large failures" -Roberto Mello 02:24:28 yes I know. 02:24:48 * davb will always look in the least obvious place first 02:25:20 When I saw you swaping CPUs I knew you were off base :) 02:25:33 heh 02:25:40 well I have a whole spare computer here. 02:25:51 and it kept kernel panicking ans segfaulting 02:27:25 and i should know better, i just yesterday fixed the aolserver crashing because the stack size was set to 128k still.... 02:27:33 * rbm attends to his homework 02:27:35 after reinstalling aolserver 2 times etc etc. 02:59:45 * rbm goes to catch the bus to campus 03:10:11 docwolf has quit ("What happens if i press this bu") 03:11:01 seen talli 03:11:01 talli was last seen on #openacs 8 hours, 42 minutes and 19 seconds ago, saying: abbaJ: who are you in meatspace? [Thu Apr 4 11:29:21 2002] 03:11:21 meatspace? 03:12:43 real life 03:16:23 ahh 03:16:33 i must be losing my hipnes 03:16:42 have not heard that term before 03:20:09 do i want ssh installed suid root? 03:27:29 guess not :) 04:47:27 rbm: thanks for all the help! 04:47:33 and anyone else who helped. 04:47:49 tomorrow i install qmail and aolserver. 04:49:07 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 09:09:47 tontsa has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:09:48 til has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:09:48 paje has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:09:48 rbm has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:09:54 til (til@port-212-202-128-197.reverse.qsc.de) has joined #openacs 09:10:16 [#openacs] This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 09:10:30 tontsa (tontsa@livingfor.net) has joined #openacs 09:12:53 paje (~paje@slxwy.dorms.usu.edu) has joined #openacs 09:12:53 rbm (rmello@fslc.usu.edu) has joined #openacs 09:39:50 paje has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:39:50 rbm has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:46:38 paje (~paje@slxwy.dorms.usu.edu) has joined #openacs 09:46:38 rbm (rmello@fslc.usu.edu) has joined #openacs 13:12:13 shagster (~mkovach@web1.alal.com) has joined #openacs 14:01:30 davb (~dave@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-204.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 14:02:38 davb has changed the topic to: OpenACS: Free Web Toolkit, weird group, excellent support and enthusiasm 14:16:20 markd2 (~markd2@r-41.145.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 14:21:58 hi markd2 14:26:33 hello 15:14:34 Jackal (~chatzilla@ECOLOGY.MIT.EDU) has joined #openacs 15:14:47 Good morning all 15:15:53 can anybody point me to a program to easily write some xml? something with a excel style interface that doesn't require to many steps to make a simple xml file? 15:16:44 i want serve some content out of a poor man's database 15:17:15 hi everybody 15:20:06 Jackal: what format is the database in? if it's in an oacs database it might be easiest to write it in .tcl ... 15:21:16 not a real database: I'm trying to make a little directory page with a some biographical infomration, contact info for each person. I'd like to generate this from XML. 15:21:38 the project its for wont be using a DB so that isn't an option. 15:22:21 I just need a program to help me write clean XML - I've been doing this by hand but this would be a bit tedious for the data in question. 15:22:46 ah i see 15:22:54 emacs maybe? 15:23:16 Like a mod? 15:23:19 macro 15:24:09 psgml, it's a major mode ... C-c C-e for example gives a nice list of allowed elements at that point 15:24:52 ic 15:24:59 cool -- thanks 15:25:02 C-c / completes a currently open element etc. ... very handy 15:25:11 nice 15:25:24 morning 15:25:29 actually is there something to automate this a bit more? 15:26:09 like I specify the structure at the begining and then I give it to a non techie for dataentry? 15:27:04 hmm, maybe morphon? but i've never actually used it and it's commercial 15:27:24 doh ! - ok cool 15:29:34 sigh- i'm surprised that there isn't some open source equiv 15:30:58 there certainly is something out there 15:31:40 yeah - I've been searching. I was wondering if there was some great tool that everybody was using... 15:32:15 this looks promising: http://www.xmlmind.com/xmleditor/ 15:48:35 hey, there is a new improved chump with editable comments! 15:50:49 chump? 15:50:49 i think chump is a bot that keeps track of URLS, the logs can be found at http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog/ 15:51:03 paje, botsnack 15:51:03 :) 15:51:05 oic 15:51:13 server is down.. back up soon 15:51:16 speaking of which... 15:54:54 hopefully pop3 is working. 15:55:16 argh 15:55:27 DNS is not updating, I hate roadrunner and the cache 15:55:48 2 out of 3 nameservers my isp has have stale old data 15:55:51 alltel-- 15:55:53 alltel? 15:55:53 alltel are a bunch of wankers 15:55:57 paje: botsnack 15:55:58 :) 15:56:49 pop3? 15:56:49 i heard pop3 was working. 15:56:57 :) 15:57:08 paje: What's the problem? 15:57:08 hmmm... the problem is dotlrn, at least according to don, will fix alot of missing pieces in OpenACS. 15:57:43 ok, i think everything is running. 15:57:53 I laughed a lot with this one yesterday when I asked davb "what's the problem" with his server 15:58:08 now I have to wait to see if mail is actually getting here. 15:58:19 luckily when my server was down, the ip address changed. 15:58:28 ooops, 15:58:36 i forgot to install aolserver :) 15:58:53 heh 15:59:00 details, details 16:00:27 damn job, they want me to do work... bbl 16:02:16 Yeah, they should just pay you to hack away on AOLserver 16:02:21 and OpenACS 16:09:48 markd2 has quit ("Bork") 16:09:52 hopefully. 16:10:29 * rbm would like to have a digital camera 16:11:33 * til wants to have his digicam back 16:12:24 i just squashed it in a car door, why is that no warranty case 16:12:35 shagster: you available? 16:12:55 or anyone else. I wanted to dl the openacs prepared aolserver he did. 16:12:55 digital ixus, still one of the nicest ones 16:13:18 til, you should have bought the "extended coverage" 16:13:24 :) 16:14:28 nm about aolserver, I have a copy on the other machine. 16:15:21 at least i did not do it deliberately, that should qualify for warranty 16:16:23 yeah! 16:16:28 the mail is flowing 16:21:07 Jackal has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.6 [Mozilla rv:0.9.9/20020311]") 16:50:00 I'm here now davb 16:50:14 distro here http://uptime.openacs.org/aolserver-openacs 16:50:31 Actually testing with Oracle right now 16:55:33 thanks. 16:55:46 works ok. I awas using it with oracle earlier. 18:36:07 denshi (~chatzilla@adsl-216-62-223-193.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) has joined #openacs 18:36:20 talli has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:36:21 hola 18:40:03 talli (~talli@188.muka.lasv.snfccafj.dsl.att.net) has joined #openacs 18:40:52 we meet again, mr. somekh. 18:42:04 yo denshi 18:42:07 que pasa? 18:42:48 i'd say nothing, but rbm has burnt me on decrypting romance languages, 18:43:12 careful. rbm knows the ways of the jungle 18:43:50 which includes the submethod of 'jungle orgies'. 18:44:32 work is slow today... i'm paying bills, bidding on a job, scouring austin.tx opportunities. 18:44:51 how was maui? 18:45:21 decent, as always 18:46:42 woohoo! 18:46:46 I've got mail! 18:47:27 I've got something... it isn't mail, but I've got it. 18:49:58 how's your system, davb? 18:55:00 talli has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:57:08 talli (~talli@188.muka.lasv.snfccafj.dsl.att.net) has joined #openacs 18:57:47 pretty good. 18:57:55 just need to get aolserver back up. 18:58:02 i recovered the database. 19:35:43 woah. my error log exceeded the emacs buffer size. 19:40:39 hazmat has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:41:03 I didn't think that was possible, davb. 19:42:39 well, chances are I screwed something up :) 19:46:43 talli has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:50:27 ok. servers back up, DNS is propagating... 20:18:40 oacs-chump (~oacs-chum@alb-24-58-160-28.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 20:19:00 chump: help 20:19:57 talli (~talli@188.muka.lasv.snfccafj.dsl.att.net) has joined #openacs 20:20:54 do /msg oacs-chump help or /msg oacs-chump morehelp to learn what has changed 20:21:15 http://openacs.org 20:21:15 A: http://openacs.org from davb 20:21:20 A: OpenACS 20:21:20 added comment A1 20:21:45 A1: Replacement Text 20:21:45 replaced comment A1 20:21:55 oacs-chump: view 20:21:56 A: http://openacs.org 20:22:05 A: 20:22:05 http://openacs.org 20:22:06 (1:davb) Replacement Text 20:26:56 gillo (~gillo@212.245.224.213) has joined #openacs 20:27:31 gillo has left #openacs 20:28:49 aargh, why is a user on the test system part of the Main Site Parties group, and on the other system not? 20:30:35 the data of one system was copied via pg_dump to the other, so i would everything expect to be the same ... 20:31:43 very strange 20:32:04 one system runs on pg 7.1 and the other on 7.2 ... oh no ... 20:32:46 still, how would it not be in a group... that seems like a weird incompatability. 20:33:18 now I have to reinstall oracle and dotlrn.. 20:33:20 at least it looks like he is not in a group from the acs-admin/www/users/one page 20:33:42 those pages are compulsive liars 20:33:54 so yor are getting a dotlrn pro installer, ey? 20:34:14 well, I needed space to backup my data from the failed server. so I blew away the oracle install. 20:34:21 now the server is working ok. 20:34:34 the annoying thing is that server has a 20GB drive that has 17GB free.. 20:34:41 my hardware is all misallocated :) 20:35:13 * til promises not to boast with his new 40G laptop drive 20:36:06 how do I get rid of all the packages apt stuffed in var/cache/apt? 20:36:13 can i just rm them? 20:36:19 apt-get clean 20:36:33 that is too easy :) 20:36:34 thanks 20:36:41 cool, imap support for aolserver 20:36:47 where? 20:37:17 new bboard posting - they have a live demo set up 20:37:53 hmmm. my mail seems to have stopped... 20:38:01 http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0004Wk 20:38:01 B: http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0004Wk from til 20:38:11 B: Imap support for aolserver 20:38:11 added comment B1 20:38:55 argh: Uh-oh:_.qmail_has_prog_deliver\ 20:38:55 y_but_has_x_bit_set._(#4.7.0)/ 20:40:54 it was working earlier... 20:41:27 ah 20:41:29 found it. 20:41:39 its a security thing.. 20:41:45 qmail is too smart for my own good :) 20:45:03 argh 20:45:10 screwed up permissions. 20:49:12 abbaJ has quit (Ping timeout: 14400 seconds) 20:57:01 anyone know about vpopmail? 21:00:47 shagster does 21:02:49 * davb pokes shagster 21:03:03 my permissions got screwed up when I copied over the old directories. 21:11:34 Oww! 21:11:52 Watch where you stick that thing! 21:11:57 heh 21:12:23 any idea off-hand what permissions should be on my /home/vpopmail/domains directories and files? 21:12:33 Just a second 21:12:33 qmail apparently can't open it. 21:14:29 vhost1:~ # ls -ld /home/vpopmail 21:14:30 drwxr-xr-x 12 vpopmail vchkpw 227 Mar 22 13:19 /home/vpopmail 21:14:32 vhost1:~ # ls -ld /home/vpopmail/domains/alal.net 21:14:32 drwx------ 4 vpopmail vchkpw 255 Mar 25 03:13 /home/vpopmail/domains/alal.net 21:14:32 vhost1:~ # ls -ld /home/vpopmail/domains/alal.net/mkovach 21:14:32 drwx------ 3 vpopmail vchkpw 82 Mar 25 03:12 /home/vpopmail/domains/alal.net/mkovach 21:15:04 vhost1:~ # ls -ld /home/vpopmail/domains 21:15:04 drwx------ 59 vpopmail vchkpw 1982 Mar 31 11:02 /home/vpopmail/domains 21:15:19 ah, must be my delivery script. 21:15:30 What is the error ? 21:15:31 i think the error is generated by the browser. 21:15:49 Unable_to_switch_to_/home/vpopmail/domains/thedesignexperience.org:_access_denied 21:16:32 did you reload the system or such ? 21:16:38 yes. 21:16:45 it was working earlier today though... 21:16:50 I suspect I did something dumb :) 21:17:03 grep vpopmail /etc/passwd, what is the uid ? 21:17:19 I copied the UID over to make sure it was the same. 89 21:18:08 gid for vchkpw the same (and everything in /var/qmail/users/assign 21:18:15 checking.. thanks... 21:18:16 set right) ? 21:19:05 hmm. those files /users/assign, are owned by root... 21:19:12 that is probably wrong. 21:19:29 Nope, that is fine 21:19:35 ok. 21:19:46 hmm 21:19:55 ok now I get Uh-oh:_.qmail_has_prog_delivery_but_has_x_bit_set._(#4.7.0)/ 21:20:07 Gruop on /var/qmail/users (the directory) should be qmail 21:20:26 Ahh.... .qmail file, 21:20:57 check /home/vpopmail/doamins///.qmail-* 21:21:33 tada 21:21:42 I did chmod -x .qmail-etc... 21:21:44 more /home/vpopmail/domains/domainname/.qmail-* file :) 21:21:45 thanks! 21:22:20 Sure, send beer to Shagster, 6th Level of Hell, Cleveland :) 21:22:32 ok. np 21:23:16 * davb makes a note to make sure to retain users and permissions when he copies over a bunch of files next time... 21:23:34 use rsync if you can 21:23:48 ah. i'll all that to my bag of tricks. 21:24:19 dirs="/var/qmail/users /var/qmail/control /home/vpopmail/domains /sw/apache/vhos 21:24:19 ts /sw/apache/conf /usr/local/share/sqwebmail" 21:24:19 host="root@vhost.clev.alal.net" 21:24:19 while [ 1 ]; 21:24:19 do 21:24:21 for dir in $dirs; do 21:24:23 (rsync -e ssh -avz --delete --bwlimit=15 $dir/* $host:$dir) 21:24:25 done 21:24:27 /var/qmail/bin/qmailctl hup 21:24:29 sleep 900 21:24:31 done 21:24:33 exit 0 21:24:35 There you go, free script :) 21:25:30 super. 21:26:19 * shagster runs out of office while phone is not ringning 21:30:31 thanks everyone. all services have been restores, all bots fully functional. 21:33:26 abbaJ (~jabba@adsl-64-123-15-107.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) has joined #openacs 21:34:41 davb has quit () 21:49:39 hey abbaJ 21:59:24 hola 21:59:25 salut, abbaJ 21:59:31 how goes it? 22:02:32 as fine as Dallas can be. 22:02:35 you? 22:02:35 hmmm... you is god's gift to irc 22:02:50 thank you, paje. where is your off switch? 22:03:12 hehehe 22:03:16 paje: dead 22:03:17 rbm: what? 22:03:35 paje: tell denshi what is the problem 22:03:35 rbm: no idea 22:07:44 talli has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:14:34 http://www.wehavethewayin.com/ <- Nice :) 22:14:34 C: http://www.wehavethewayin.com/ from rbm 22:14:43 C:| Don't Believe the Hype 22:14:43 titled item C 22:39:28 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 22:47:27 tontsa has quit (Remote closed the connection) 22:47:28 tontsa (tontsa@livingfor.net) has joined #openacs 23:17:22 so, having a custom 404 page in aolserver works via the redirects config section, right? 23:17:49 any way that the custom 404 page can tell the url that was not found initially? 23:19:20 hazmat (~ender@adsl-66-123-57-58.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #openacs 23:20:10 til: aolserver, or openacs? 23:20:43 openacs 23:20:48 both actually ;) 23:20:50 tontsa has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:21:27 I think the new way in openacs is to let the rp handle it and serve up a special template. in that case the url is probably available. 23:21:39 I am not sure it the redirect from url is available in aolserver. 23:23:01 and how do i tell the rp that it should handle it? do you know if patching the rp is involved? 23:23:26 I am not sure if this got checked in... 23:23:37 * til rereads that bboard thread 23:24:56 ah. 23:25:26 its not in there. you need to change calls to ns_returnnotfound to ad_serve_template my_404_template 23:25:52 if you want a "templated" 404 page, you need to do this. 23:26:20 I wonder if the redircting url is in the referrer header... 23:26:22 ah, ok 23:26:46