00:35:53 shagster (~mkovach@web1.alal.com) has joined #openacs 03:15:38 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 03:27:03 oacs-chump has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:35:52 argharghargharghargh 03:42:25 shagster, you host email? 03:46:56 wow, 03:47:02 * davb is really lucky! 03:48:18 well, maybe not... 03:51:07 oacs-chump (~oacs-chum@alb-24-58-160-41.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 03:51:10 yeah! 03:51:41 oacs-chump has quit (Remote closed the connection) 04:26:26 boo.... 04:28:18 well, I finally found a boot floppy 04:40:50 Grax (~grax@ip68-13-3-74.om.om.cox.net) has joined #openacs 04:41:31 Grax_ (~grax@ip68-13-3-74.om.om.cox.net) has joined #openacs 04:41:42 Grax_ has left #openacs 04:43:51 hi Grax 04:44:02 hi davb. how's it going? 04:44:09 ok, except I can 04:44:19 't find a working floppy disk anwwhere 04:44:37 I know the feeling. I never have one when I need one 04:45:03 I'm considering buying a usb memory card reader and some cards 04:46:46 i am up to plan C bootable cdrom... 04:46:59 ah... seems to be working.... 04:47:20 that's another thing I want. I want a nice bootable sysadmin cd 04:47:57 darn 04:48:01 that didn't work. 04:48:14 why not? 04:48:36 crc error, it said i should fo es2fsck on the cdrom :) 04:49:19 yea. maybe you should just reformat that cd 04:49:39 oh.. i got to the install screen 04:52:31 brb 04:52:32 Grax has left #openacs 04:53:15 dwalker (~grax@ip68-13-3-74.om.om.cox.net) has joined #openacs 04:53:46 This is better. I can use my real name 05:01:50 phew, i finally got a goood disk 05:09:06 didn't help 05:09:11 argh 05:09:26 network drivers? 05:09:33 99 times out of 100 i am getting a crc error when it uncompresses the linux kernel. 05:09:52 nope, it suddenly decided halfway through the install that my hard drive had disappeared. 05:09:52 sounds serious 05:10:27 hmmmm 05:10:33 bad ide controller? didn't you say you had a crc error from the cdrom? 05:10:46 i hope not 05:11:06 well origianlly the system mysteriously crashed. 05:11:15 after that it keeps getting worse :( 05:11:58 sounds like salvage time to me 05:12:09 yeah, luckily i didn't make a backup 05:12:16 so I just have to reinsall everything. 05:12:22 I am trying to rescue my email. 05:12:33 can you put the hard drive in another computer? 05:12:51 yeah, I was trying the other way, putting another drive in that system. 05:12:55 but I think your way is easier. 05:13:23 could be 05:13:40 good luck with that 05:13:50 thanks 05:13:51 catch ya later 05:13:59 dwalker has left #openacs 05:16:01 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 07:49:27 abbaJ has quit ("Client Exiting") 11:22:22 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 11:29:36 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 11:43:22 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 11:53:10 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 13:34:43 davb (~dave@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-204.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 13:44:43 * davb builds an emergency replacement kernel 13:44:50 * davb suffers from email withdrawl 13:50:20 abbaJ (~jabba@adsl-64-123-15-107.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) has joined #openacs 14:18:26 Psychephylax (nblyumbe@ool-18bd7775.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #openacs 14:18:39 anyone awake? I have a very important question :) 14:18:41 hi Psychephylax 14:18:55 I am attempting to resurrect my mail and web server... 14:19:27 good 14:19:34 Dave, how much do you know about procmail? 14:19:38 or vacation 14:19:54 I overlooked a slight problem when I set up my vacation on my soon to be deleted account 14:19:59 it doesn't forward the mail to me! 14:20:41 that seems bad. 14:20:43 hmmm 14:20:53 I know nothing about procmail or vacation though... 14:22:51 doh 14:23:21 I wish someone was forwarding my mail right about now... 14:23:49 i am debating whether or not to try to install qmail on my desktop machine to capture the mail until I get the server running again... 14:24:33 just use fetchmail 14:24:47 me? 14:24:47 you are dangerous 14:24:51 heh 14:24:55 I know 14:25:00 and procmail has some of the best man pages ever. Check the procmailex man page 14:25:24 if I had time... 14:25:32 My account is gonna get nuked any minute 14:25:49 can't you just grab your mail then? 14:25:57 before it gets nuked? 14:26:12 yes 14:26:17 how will procmail forward mail from your nonexistent account anyway? 14:26:20 but what about the mail that will come in for the next 4 months? 14:26:24 I can send you my .procmailrc file 14:26:34 it's not deleted...just locked out that I can't check mail via pop 14:26:37 I can use .forward 14:26:41 yeah 14:26:44 * rbm goes to shower 14:26:48 but I wanted to do .forward + message back to sender about account change 14:26:57 ah. cool. good luck. 14:27:05 Psychephylax: Oh, then procmail would be the thing, or vacation 14:27:11 Exactly 14:27:24 But I don't know how to set that up and I have not much time 14:29:03 Here's a procmail vacation recipe: 14:29:06 :0 Whc: vacation.lock 14:29:06 # Perform a quick check to see if the mail was addressed to us 14:29:06 * $^To:.*\<$\LOGNAME\> 14:29:06 # Don't reply to daemons and mailinglists 14:29:06 * !^FROM_DAEMON 14:29:06 # Mail loops are evil 14:29:08 * !^X-Loop: your@own.mail.address 14:29:10 | formail -rD 8192 vacation.cache 14:29:12 :0 ehc # if the name was not in the cache 14:29:14 | (formail -rI"Precedence: junk" \ 14:29:16 -A"X-Loop: your@own.mail.address" ; \ 14:29:18 echo "I received your mail,"; \ 14:29:20 echo "but I won't be back until Monday."; \ 14:29:22 echo "-- "; cat $HOME/.signature \ 14:29:24 ) | $SENDMAIL -oi -t 14:31:39 bbiab 14:31:41 I got an auto-reply one from there 14:31:42 thanks 14:49:00 Psychephylax has left #openacs 14:58:34 * rbm goes to take his car to the garage hoping it won't cost much 15:00:26 Psychephylax (nblyumbe@ool-18bd7775.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #openacs 15:00:29 yay, I fixed it 15:04:11 wohoo! 15:08:26 now i have to get my friend to fix his 15:26:07 I bee l33t h4x0r 15:56:28 markd2 (~markd2@r-41.75.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 16:46:49 :) 16:47:01 oom 16:47:14 mooh 16:47:17 Roberto 16:47:20 Funny story 16:47:34 I can access a locked out account :) because our admin != smart 16:47:47 He locks out accounts using password authentication 16:48:06 I use ssh authentication therefore my account is not locked out 16:48:10 I r b3 l33t h4x0r 16:48:53 heh 16:49:07 start sending the admin mail from your locked account 16:49:12 lol 16:49:14 naah 16:53:06 Psychephylax: :) 16:53:27 Anyone know if you can turn off directory listing in apache? 16:53:33 * Psychephylax is scanning his docs 16:53:39 and wishes he had his handbook 16:53:45 * rbm shrugs 16:53:59 I know you can with a .htaccess 16:56:16 k 16:56:23 I'll look more into it when I get home 17:04:09 * davb fixes the $95/hr consultants mistakes for $15/hr 17:07:29 ouch 17:07:40 make sure your boss knows this 17:07:56 so that he can bring the consultants back and pay them even more 17:08:30 * rbm makes $9.5/hr. 17:08:33 beat ya davb 17:09:30 I wrote an ACS 4 package that was bidded on for $300,000. 17:10:28 heh 17:10:30 <_djg_> _djg_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:10:32 excellent 17:10:53 not for me :) 17:10:58 :( 17:11:05 well you got "experience" right! 17:11:12 holy 17:11:13 Excellent for my employer. 17:11:20 what was the package? 17:11:25 davb: Yeah, experience is good. 17:12:30 talli: It's a package that collects and organizes school incidents as required by federal law. Schools input incidents, offenders, victims, etc. The system gives them ways to generate all sorts of reports, including graphs and annual reports. 17:12:43 nice 17:13:24 It's part of the "Safe and drug-free schools" federal program 17:14:07 heh 17:16:08 Any apache folks here? 17:22:54 nope... what port if IMAP? 17:23:38 cat /etc/services | grep -i imap 17:24:00 thank you! 17:24:05 143 BTW :) 17:24:14 "Give a man a fish..." 17:24:29 np davb 17:29:00 duh. 17:29:07 the imap server is not running 17:31:13 the imap server? 17:31:13 i think the imap server is not running 17:31:14 thank you paje 17:31:41 bwahahah 17:32:24 paje: Psychephylax 17:32:24 Psychephylax is on the job and yet I still don't learn anything 17:32:51 paje: botsnack 17:32:51 thanks rbm :) 17:40:44 shagster has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:47:29 coltrane (~demancey@clt27-242-191.carolina.rr.com) has joined #openacs 17:47:45 hmmm 17:48:04 im looking for a solaris or iPlanet channel, and I assume this is not it 17:50:02 hi 17:50:05 sorry, it is not 17:50:12 although some of us solaris 17:50:22 but I don't think anyone has iplanet 17:50:32 (anyone here, that is :-) 17:52:17 I know someone who uses iplanet, but I think on NT 17:52:18 * rbm tries to rebuild libqt3-psql to fix the darn broken dependency 17:52:18 (so I can try Tora) 17:52:21 tora tora tora! 17:52:39 argh! 17:52:44 blergh! 17:54:06 blorg! 17:54:37 apt-get build-dep libqt3-psql 17:54:47 installs everything I need to build that package 17:54:53 apt rocks! 18:01:40 hmmm. 18:02:04 I am getting this in my qmail-send log : alert: cannot start: unable to open mutex 18:02:15 could it be a file permission problem? 18:09:07 * rbm shrugs 18:09:35 darnies 18:10:01 I am trying to move the qmail install from a barely working harddrive to my machine that still works. 18:10:09 the smtp server is listening 18:10:20 so I can receive. 18:11:17 pop3 is working. 18:11:36 coltrane: join #linux on fslc.usu.edu . lawrence has done quite a bit of work with iplanet and says he could help. 18:12:42 I think it'll take a good while to build all this on my machine. 18:13:54 rbm: apt is a beautiful thing 18:14:06 abbaJ: Yeah. I luv it 18:15:02 the new package manager is nice too 18:15:04 aptitude 18:15:16 much better than dselect 18:15:19 *shudder* 18:16:02 Is that the ncurses one? 18:16:09 I think I've used that and didn't like it. 18:16:12 yes 18:16:17 I like synaptic, but it's graphical 18:16:29 hrmm...i haven't tried that one 18:17:12 Written by Alfredo Kojima, of Window Maker and apt-rpm fame. 18:17:31 He works for Conectiva, in Brazil, same company that employs Marcelo Tossati. 18:18:15 cool 18:18:28 "Actually, the Module class of module is the superclass of the Class class of class. " <-- From the Ruby documentation 18:18:34 someone say Brazil? 18:19:00 Brasil... meu Brasil brasileiro... 18:19:02 * talli starts to shake his booty as the samba starts in his head. anyone seen a conga line around here? 18:19:15 rbm: that's a rough looking toolkit tho 18:19:28 abbaJ: wings? It's all right. 18:19:31 you should see their women! 18:19:54 is it using wings? 18:20:01 i can't tell 18:20:05 hehe 18:20:20 hehe 18:21:02 if i want a gui i usually use kpackage 18:21:27 I think I need to recompile qmail, the uid is compiled in. 18:21:35 kpackage did some weird stuff and didn't really work for me. 18:21:44 synaptic does things the unix way 18:22:12 i used to have problems with kpackage back in kde1, but i've used the new version quite a bit and it's pretty nice 18:22:29 redhat really does suck 18:22:42 talli: What makes you say that? 18:22:50 after using apt for a couple of weeks, apt-rpm and up2date don't compare 18:22:59 yes 18:23:02 i can't find half the things i could with apt 18:23:13 the big deal with apt isn't necesarily the tools 18:23:23 it's just the nice HUGE archive of packages debian has 18:23:26 that are all high quality 18:23:29 right 18:23:41 sure there's red carpet 18:23:43 or up2date 18:23:51 but they don't have any of the packages i need 18:23:52 i won't use red carpet 18:23:56 i don't trust ximian 18:23:58 Yeah, I hated all the searching I had to do with rpms 18:24:00 they're sketchy 18:24:12 ximian's received investment from MS 18:24:19 * davb recompiles qmail 18:24:34 anyone that is building "GPL" software with the backing of MS is doing something stinky 18:24:35 speaking of qmail, anyoneused the debs? 18:24:38 they are very nice. :) 18:24:38 oh, and redcarpet kinda sucks 18:25:08 argh. 18:25:09 ya 18:25:11 it won't build 18:25:16 qmail deb that is. 18:25:24 hmm 18:25:28 i used ita while back 18:25:33 and was very impressed 18:25:35 yeah, it worked last time. 18:25:45 unstable tree? 18:25:49 yes 18:26:19 i got alot of these: warning: return type of `main' is not `int' 18:26:29 hrmm 18:26:31 and this: fatal: unable to find user alias 18:26:59 send an email to the package maintainer 18:27:06 oh, good idea. 18:27:29 i suspect its me though... 18:27:45 well, they always like to know if their package fails 18:28:12 do you recall if the package creates all the necessary users and stuff for qmail? 18:28:28 abbaJ: who are you in meatspace? 18:29:01 davb: djb declares his main's as void. 18:29:13 ah, so that is just a warning... 18:29:19 its the missing user. 18:30:42 fatal messages aren't warnings :) 18:30:50 but the "main" stuff are 18:31:41 heh 18:38:26 the package seems to not be creating the users. 18:39:05 aha 18:39:07 fixed. 18:39:09 my fault 18:41:51 of course :) 18:42:05 It's going to take a long while to build qt3 on my wimpy machine 18:45:57 argh 18:46:22 qmail conflicts with exim, which is required for the mutt package. 18:51:57 mutt probably depends on an mta, not exim specifically 18:52:13 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), libncurses5 (>= 5.2.20020112a-1), libsasl7, exim | mail-transport-agent 18:52:28 If you have a mail-transport-agent package installed, you should be okay. 18:52:43 Are you compiling qmail from scratch? 18:52:45 hopefull qmail will fullfil that. 18:52:48 (no source package) 18:52:53 I tried using the source pcakge. 18:53:09 Why are you using qmail anyway? 18:53:20 no clue :) 18:53:34 I should pick something easier that supports virtual domains. 18:53:38 this is a mail server. 18:55:35 I think I will just wait until I get home and attempt to fix the server instead of setting up this backup server. 18:55:39 Just install exim with something on top that supports vdomains 18:55:53 coltrane has left #openacs 18:56:53 perhaps that is a better plan. 19:00:30 crap crap crap 19:10:19 hey: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/LILO-crash-rescue-HOWTO.html 19:10:20 http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/LILO-crash-rescue-HOWTO.html 19:10:24 argh! 19:10:28 no chump 19:11:28 chump died! 19:11:37 no chump!? 19:11:38 aieeee 19:14:22 hazmat (~ender@adsl-66-123-57-58.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #openacs 19:14:26 The Qt preprocessor is a pain 19:17:10 the hard drive has been less than cooperative... 19:38:49 markd2 has quit ("Bork") 19:42:37 markd2 (~Snak@r-41.75.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 19:55:10 paje1 (~paje@slxwy.dorms.usu.edu) has joined #openacs 19:55:19 paje1? 19:55:19 rbm? 19:55:41 hmmm, ircd still thinks paje is connected 19:56:05 pajeL 19:56:07 paje? 19:56:07 paje is the medicine man and oracle in Amazonian tribes. I'm also a recipient of church of mike's "full deal" package or a pirate 20:00:25 denshi (~chatzilla@adsl-216-62-223-193.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) has joined #openacs 20:02:02 you can /msg nickserv ghost paje paje's-password 20:02:43 to whom are you speaking? 20:02:49 rbm 20:03:08 [2:58] hmmm, ircd still thinks paje is connected 20:10:03 btw, hi denshi 20:10:16 good afternoon, mr. b. 20:10:17 have you read treedragon.com lately? 20:10:39 not recently. is your site down? 20:11:01 yes, very. partially catostrophic disk failure. 20:11:38 anything new on treedragon I should note? 20:11:39 Psychephylax has quit ("My damn controlling terminal disappeared!") 20:11:49 paje has quit (Read error: 111 (Connection refused)) 20:12:06 interesting language feature discussion today. 20:13:28 * davb tries e2fsck 20:15:32 how do I find the discussion link? 20:16:11 actually, "discussion" is the wrong word :) monolougue? 20:16:28 you have probably seen alot of that kind of stuff already. 20:18:50 davb_foo (~dave@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-204.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 20:18:58 davb_foo has quit (Client Quit) 20:32:59 yeah, it mostly looks like he's walking around the language problem and sorting out his internal approaches. I haven't seen much new over there. 20:34:03 my hard drive is full of illegal blocks, i wonder what its been doing when I am at work... 20:34:29 denshi: I guess its more interesting to me, I am learning all this stuff for the first time 20:34:47 you and me both, I'm just picking it up elsewhere. 20:34:54 ah :) 20:35:20 do you ever check out the discussions over at lambda.weblogs.com? 20:35:31 I think I've learned more about programming languages in the last 6 months than in the previous six years. 20:35:36 wow! 20:35:43 I have learned......ummm... Tcl 20:35:45 :) 20:36:43 oops, I read that wrong. 20:40:00 paje1 has quit ("regrouping; bbiab") 20:44:03 sorry. 20:44:20 I thought you quit? 20:44:56 I may be bored at this job, but I am fixing my harddrive via ssh so its not all bad. 20:44:58 gave notice. 20:45:03 3 more weeks. 20:45:50 except I am not fixing some of the uglist mess I have even seen perpetrated in MS access. 20:46:23 dlk (dlk@as2-1-4.va.g.bonet.se) has joined #openacs 20:46:44 boredom doesn't bother me; I can always fill it. It's the ridiculous immediacy of the tiny crises that pop up at random times. 20:46:53 usually while I'm in a conversation. 20:47:35 or head-down in a stack of code with all my wetware memory allocated to structure definitions. 20:48:07 I hate paging out. wait, no, I never get to just page out. I do full swaps, and thrash most of the day. 20:49:07 dlk has left #openacs 20:49:51 * denshi reads the logs 20:50:00 rbm, what are you building with qt3? 21:02:17 argh, my connnection keeps getting dropeed in the middle of fsck 21:03:01 anyone know any handy disk rescue/repair tools for linux? 21:07:33 outside of cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda, I dunno 21:07:44 heh 21:09:22 e2fsck keeps going back around and starting from the beginning. If I keep this up, the hard disk will be full of shakespeare when I am done 21:10:12 plus my y finder is getting tired 21:10:27 s/finder/finger 21:11:42 i think e2fsck will take A for 'yes to all', or you can run it with a cmd line switch to do the same. e2fsck -y or something. 21:12:10 I did, that, it said some kind of inconsistency, run manually. :) 21:12:11 if all that fails, use: "yes | e2fsck /dev/hddavb" 21:12:27 Actually I am running it -p now and its going along nicely. 21:12:42