00:03:32 denshi: it's ok if you have to dig into dissertations to prove your ideas unoriginal. now, when you start seeing your "original" ides being implemented on msft's front page, well ... 00:03:42 rolf 00:03:51 i mean, rotflmao 00:04:01 no, you mean rolf 00:04:09 Rolf speaks to us through the subconcious of others 00:04:16 Give In to your Inner Rolf 00:04:16 haha 00:04:17 and gitdown! 00:04:17 gitfunky 00:04:36 you might be right... I work near wolf street, and every time I see the sign I read it as 'rzolf'. 00:05:25 http://www.theonion.com/onion3539/national_funk_congress.html 00:05:26 A: http://www.theonion.com/onion3539/national_funk_congress.html from denshi 00:05:43 so, does the onion write serious stuff on apirl 1? 00:05:52 A: National Funk Congress deadlocked on Get Up/Get Down Issue 00:05:52 commented item A 00:05:54 haha 00:06:37 A: "Until our country's funky leaders can resolve this deadlock, U.S. funk leadership, and the booties of all Americans, will remain immobilized," 00:06:37 commented item A 00:34:26 markd2 has quit ("Ni Pop Nooo!!!!!") 00:36:26 davb has quit (Remote closed the connection) 00:36:46 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 00:36:55 don't restart gpm while X is running 00:37:53 argh. 00:38:08 I though I had fixed the bash_profile not executed in X problem 00:38:27 When I ran gnome it used to "just work" 00:38:35 night guys 00:38:36 denshi has quit () 00:38:39 bye 00:38:52 anyone loads tcl modules in AOLserver here? 00:39:00 I have done it before. 00:39:07 tcl modules written in tcl? 00:39:22 Yes 00:39:36 I want it so I don't have to set tcl_pkgPath, etc. in every script. 00:39:50 you have to put the files in a directory under the tcllibdir 00:40:10 then do in the modules section of the config file ns_param module packagename tcl 00:40:13 I thought that if I included the "global tcl_pkgPath", etc. in $AOLSERVERDIR/modules/tcl/init.tcl that it'd get taken care of 00:40:28 where packagename is the directory name where you stashed the files. 00:40:36 you might have to rename them so they load in order. 00:40:38 I don't want the modules to be loaded in _every_ new thread. I want to be able to do "package require foo" 00:40:47 oh. 00:41:21 your idea should work for tcl files, but adp files need that tcl_pkgPath in every file if I am not mistaken. 00:41:29 oh really? 00:41:42 I'm using ACS 4.2 (classic) 00:42:00 either that or its the other way around. I poked around in the aolserver source, ADP and Tcl are setup different when an interp is called. 00:43:25 there was a discussion about it in the aolserver list a while back, before I converted tclxmlrpc to use nsxml. 00:43:47 markd2 (~markd2@r-41.194.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 00:44:55 brb 00:44:58 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 00:45:20 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 00:45:35 aha. now I remember, I put the stuff in the xsession file and it loads. 00:45:51 hmm? 00:46:41 So I have to source init.tcl in every adp? 00:46:57 not quite... 00:47:02 let me look 00:47:49 Looks like setting up tcl_pkgPath in init.tcl doesn't work from an ADP. It can't find the var. 00:48:10 right, you need to do a little trick. 00:49:22 set tcl_library [file join $tcl_pkgPath tcl${tcl_version}] 00:49:22 source [file join $tcl_library init.tcl] 00:49:35 heh, that is an a message you repsonded to on the list :) 00:50:28 doing "global tcl_pkgPath; global tcl_library" makes the var available, but still no package require 00:50:46 ack. yeah you do need to source that init.tcl 00:50:48 davb: I know that, but I don't think I tried with package require when I posted that 00:50:57 davb: what's the url? 00:50:57 package require will work with that. 00:51:12 http://listserv.aol.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0006&L=aolserver&P=R8022&X=6221793B1E69696698&Y=dave@deepskydesign.com 00:51:12 B: http://listserv.aol.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0006&L=aolserver&P=R8022&X=6221793B1E69696698&Y=dave@deepskydesign.com from davb 00:51:15 ick 00:51:30 I have done it. 00:51:41 I really wish they would just make it work correctly. maybe in 4.0 00:52:51 davb: You need the Community Uber-Search: 00:52:52 http://michael.cleverly.com/aolserver/search/ 00:52:52 C: http://michael.cleverly.com/aolserver/search/ from rbm 00:53:11 that indexes the aolserver list? cool. 00:53:12 davb: you found the 404 problem? 00:53:12 C:|Michael Cleverly's AOLserver/OpenACS Community Uber-Search 00:53:13 titled item C 00:54:23 jim. testing now. 00:54:51 So how come 'package require' still fails for me? 00:55:32 hmmm. 00:55:34 not sure. 00:56:36 aolserver somehow breaks tcl by not setting the environment correctly when it creates and interpreter 00:57:35 jim: using mozilla, when I click on the offending page (not a 404 error) it says connection refused almost instantly. 00:58:06 davb: interesting... 00:58:17 what shell are you using? 00:58:19 bash? 00:58:21 the log shows a bunch of queries then bang it stops, no errors or anything. 00:58:23 yeah. 00:58:39 I dunno even how to begin figuring this out... 00:58:48 Ack! doing the same thing in tclsh works! 00:59:04 davb: can we take a right turn for a sec/ 00:59:05 ? 00:59:26 sure, but I have to be careful I don't crash into the wife... not alot of room in this office. 00:59:36 oh :) 00:59:48 ok :) 00:59:59 jim: Did you see that I was assigned an AM? 01:00:11 We even exchanged a couple mails already 01:00:23 davb: umm, earlier when you downloaded aolserver from me, you registered on my site... yes? 01:00:32 rbm: excellent! 01:00:43 how'd they go? 01:00:56 jim: pretty good so far. 01:01:01 that is correct. 01:01:14 ok, did I require an email? 01:01:29 no. it just let me right in. 01:01:44 ok, sheesh... lemme check my settings 01:03:39 * rbm ponders why package require doesn't work from his .adp's 01:04:48 no error message about a missing variable? 01:05:14 hmm, ok... 01:06:09 can't find package TGDChart 01:06:09 while executing 01:06:09 "package require TGDChart" 01:06:09 invoked from within 01:06:31 where did you put the package? 01:06:53 $AOLSERVER/lib 01:07:36 I think it actually looks in the tcl package directory /usr/lib/tcl or something 01:08:01 davb: It looks in $tcl_pkgPath/$tcl_library 01:08:30 I wish I could remember how I got it to work. 01:11:42 * rbm tries something else 01:12:11 rbm: I'm trying to test my site; could you try registering? 01:12:39 hey: "I've been working on a WebDAV module for AOLserver all night long." 01:14:04 davb: who's that? 01:14:04 rumour has it that is not true 01:14:29 Dossy, one of the people still hanging around on the aolserver list. 01:16:03 * davb emails 01:22:43 vinod has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:23:54 darn 01:24:07 emacs/gdb isn't finding the source files anymore... 01:25:09 davb: must compile each .c file with -g 01:25:53 ah. it "just worked" with aolserver 3.3 01:26:37 darn gvd debian pacakge is broken 01:31:00 davb: if the sources are moved around after compiling against them with -g, the symbols that get added to the binary no longer refer to the right dir tree 01:31:13 ddd is useless, it displays white text on a white background 01:31:48 davb: if you strip the binary, that gets rid of everything that -g put there plus some 01:32:02 ok. 01:32:34 davb: finally, if you subsequently compile without -g, then the binary won't refer to any source 01:32:37 at aol we ran aolserver -g 01:32:46 makes diagnosing production problems much much easier 01:32:49 brb 01:33:18 markd2: so then the source was locked into a certain relative dir tree position? 01:33:35 nah 01:33:46 if we needed source, we could load it then symlink as necessary 01:33:53 or get a corefile from the prod machine and look at it on a dev machine 01:33:53 ahh 01:34:05 sometimes just the stack trace was necessary 01:34:39 did you guys use plain gdb? another debugger? front ends? 01:34:46 depends on the platform 01:34:48 usually gdb 01:34:51 'wildebeest' for hp-ux 01:35:08 dbx was preferred on irix, and digital unix had 'ladebug', which was wonderful for threaded apps 01:35:21 cute 01:37:19 markd2: could you do me a favor and try to register on 12.233.187.5:9000? 01:39:25 jim: request error on http://12.233.187.5:9000/register/user-new-2 01:39:46 right as it would have sent out the email... 01:39:49 ok 01:40:50 is that an option I have to set in the makefile? 01:41:59 yeah... and it might already be set, but check... usually, you would see something like CFLAGS = "-g -I/some/where -I. -O" or the like 01:42:09 ok 01:42:48 and if CFLAGS doesnt' have -g, you would add it... also, while compiling, make sure each line that compiles the file has the -g 01:43:04 ok. 01:43:27 jim: sure 01:43:59 (that would be a good acceptance test for "adding debug support to aolserver") 01:44:16 request error 01:44:44 one sec, still determining problem 01:45:08 * rbm goes home 01:50:16 hmmm gbd with aolserver only works with an -x gdbinitfile command line. 01:54:53 thought so. qmail error. 02:02:26 where does acs store a user's email addr? 02:03:55 parties? 02:04:14 hmmm. 02:05:34 darn, gvd is not picking up ld_library_path from the environment 02:06:48 nm, 02:07:05 gotta upcase the var name 02:07:16 ahh 02:07:19 parties 02:07:56 right, i needed a set environment in gdb 02:10:01 oops, crashed the debugger 02:10:22 congratulations :) you just learned C :) 02:10:32 heh 02:13:21 gvd is written in Ada 02:13:38 but it uses gtk, which is C 02:15:16 now its running. 02:19:09 ok, anyone got a different email address to try registering again? 02:19:40 deleting a user from the database would be a major pain atm 02:20:34 I will. 02:20:52 cool :) thanks 02:21:27 it says email sent 02:21:34 nice :) 02:21:39 check your email :) 02:21:41 email received 02:21:56 nice :) 02:22:16 uhoh 02:22:39 I went to the link, and clicked continue. entered my password and clicked login and got this error: 02:22:41 Problem with login 02:22:41 There was a problem authenticating the account: 3138. Most likely, the database contains users with no user_state 02:22:54 URL : http://12-233-187-5.client.attbi.com:9000/register/user-login 02:22:56 hmm... 02:23:22 oh, see how the host name changed? 02:23:48 apparently my state has not been updated. 02:25:32 might have to build the site again from scratch... can't right now; gotta go 02:25:51 thank you all for your help 02:26:12 np 02:35:06 this is really frustrating. apparently everyone else who has had success with dotlrn does not have the aolserver problem I have. 02:36:38 * davb tests the only unknown nsxml with xslt support 02:48:36 nope, that didn't help. 03:02:58 I have pinpointed the error somewhat. it happens during the parsing of an adp file. 03:10:50 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 03:54:34 markd2 has quit ("Bork") 04:55:22 skel (~areplogle@ip68-3-17-218.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #openacs 04:55:38 :) 04:55:40 hello 04:56:31 hello 04:56:32 que tal, rbm 04:56:41 paje: how are you paje? 04:56:41 rbm: i haven't a clue 04:56:51 paje: slashdot 04:56:53 Slashdot - Updated 2002-04-02 04:21:55 | Distributed Computing Program Hidden in Kazaa | Konqueror's Javascript Continues To Improve | April Fools Wrap Up | Blizzard removes Orcs from Warcraft III 04:57:16 could anyone enlighten me on how to use postgresql to execute multiple 'where' statements in a select? 04:57:50 example. select field from table where table1 = this and table2 = this 04:58:15 or is that possible? 04:59:14 wait, I mean select field from table where field1 = this and field2 = this 04:59:22 not tables.. 05:02:03 rbm has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:02:34 rbm (rmello@fslc.usu.edu) has joined #openacs 05:10:39 vinod (~vinod@207-172-216-238.s1254.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs 05:14:14 skel has quit ("BitchX: no this is NOT a cybersex client") 06:10:46 vinod has quit ("changing universes") 07:25:13 buenas notches para todos 12:08:28 k2pts (~nkd@213.149.180.151) has joined #openacs 12:08:33 k2pts has left #openacs 12:34:13 <_djg_> _djg_ (~dirk@212.84.246.68) has joined #openacs 13:13:39 Psychephylax (~nickb@pool197.eng.cv.net) has joined #openacs 13:34:09 davb (~dave@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-204.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 13:44:24 http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/webservices/2002/04/01/outlining.html 13:44:24 D: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/webservices/2002/04/01/outlining.html from davb 13:44:32 D:|Jon Udell on Instant Outlining 13:44:32 titled item D 13:45:24 D: Instant Outlining is subscribing to an outline file maintained by another person. I am not sure yet how notification of changes occurs, or where old items fall off to. 13:45:24 commented item D 13:54:43 D: http://radio.outliners.com/beta 13:54:43 commented item D 13:55:07 D: it decides if an outline is updated by comparing the size. Why not the last-modified header? I have no clue, that makes much more sense. 13:55:07 commented item D 13:55:55 D: it would be interesting to have OpenACS output outlines of the site or user activities as outlines in OPML format 13:55:56 commented item D 13:56:22 D: except we don't have anything remotely approaching a user interface that would work for this. 13:56:22 commented item D 13:56:37 D: maybe a little Mozilla XUL thing would work. 13:56:38 commented item D 14:26:36 hmmmm, I can't get the datamodel to load at all with postgresql 7.2 14:28:30 markd2 (~markd2@r-41.182.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 14:30:06 weird, there is nothing in the databse at all... 14:32:46 my god.... it's full of cars... 14:32:57 * davb misses the reference 14:33:11 actually I was pointing at the nonexistent old pgsql install dir. 14:33:18 now its not sourcing the tcl files. 14:35:37 ever seen the 2001 movie? 14:35:46 ah. 14:37:21 oops, I deleted the database and forgot to recreate it. 14:37:41 ah, there it goes. 14:38:01 I am trying to recreate my crashing aolserver with edit-this-page 2.0 on postgresql. 14:41:43 * davb notes that the data model runs about twice as fast on postgresql rather than oracle 14:43:51 yeah, it crashes. 14:43:56 now to figure out why. 14:44:37 ok, it is at the exact same line, but the parameters have different values 14:48:53 ok weird. 14:49:12 it seems to be a problem with ns_log 14:49:41 the request processor is writing to the log and something in running a regex on the contents of the string 15:01:04 hmmm, the dotlrn one is parsing an adp file, and is re'ing a tag 15:01:41 doesn't seem like the kind of thing that crashes a program 15:04:10 yeah 15:04:16 crashes, as in physically nuking the server? 15:04:38 yes. it segfaults, and all nsd processes stop 15:05:48 I notice that the memory address for the re contains the same thing on both crashes. 15:07:15 can I save a backtrace from gdb? 15:07:45 cut-n-paste to another file :-) 15:08:08 ok :) 15:08:15 should have run it in emacs. 15:08:51 everything is better run in emacs 15:09:08 I like this, C programming and debugging: trial by fire 15:09:29 aigh, bt full is very descriptive 15:14:31 hmm.. 've never used bt full. just bt / where 15:15:39 you don't want to. I got 10 pages of stuff just for the first command :) 15:16:11 heh 15:20:40 markd2 has quit ("Bork") 15:53:11 http://backend.userland.com/publishSubscribeWalkthrough 15:53:11 E: http://backend.userland.com/publishSubscribeWalkthrough from davb 15:53:31 Jackal (~chatzilla@ECOLOGY.MIT.EDU) has joined #openacs 15:53:49 hello all 15:54:00 can someone help me to get nsxml installed? 15:54:05 hi, sure 15:54:20 i'm running rh 6.2 15:54:49 ok. what have you done so far? 15:55:26 i;ve downloaded nsxml 15:55:37 put in next to my aolserver folder 15:55:41 tried a make 15:55:49 get nasty errors 15:55:55 [root@lfee nsxml]# make 15:56:24 hmm. won't let me paste a big chunk 15:56:38 gcc -g -I../aolserver/include -D_REENTRANT -pipe -fPIC -Wall -Wno-unused -DHAVE_CMMSG=1 -DUSE_FIONREAD=1 -DHAVE_COND_EINTR=1 -c -o ns_xml.o ns_xml.c 15:56:43 nsxml should be at the same level at the other ns modules, nscache, nerewrite etc... 15:56:52 ns_xml.c:40: libxml/parser.h: No such file or directory 15:57:00 do you have libxml2-devel installed? 15:57:41 I do but its a XImian version 15:57:48 same for libxml 15:58:05 should be ok. 15:58:10 ok good 15:58:22 so I have a nsxml folder afer untarring 15:58:24 but it should be able to find it. 15:58:30 where should I put this? 15:58:50 in the aolserver source tree at the same level as aolserver/nscache/nsrewrute etc... 15:59:53 ok let me look 16:00:18 actually I think that I did the binary aD installation 16:00:26 I need to recompile? 16:00:33 ummm compile? 16:00:46 you need the aolserver source to compile nsxml also. 16:01:15 ok. thanks. I'll try that out. 16:01:38 do you generally use the aolserver.com version or some other variation? 16:02:13 nsxml? 16:02:19 get it at acs-misc.sourceforge.ent 16:02:22 get it at acs-misc.sourceforge.net 16:02:48 no - i mean do you download the aolserver from aolserver.com or use other versions like the openacs or aD dists? 16:03:02 or dl a binary of the whole thing at: http://uptime.openacs.org/aolserver-openacs/ (no guarantees :) 16:03:13 I use aolserver 3.3+ad13 mostly. 16:03:27 frm arsdigita.com, but 3.4.2 should also work. 16:05:11 ok - i think I'll stick with aD 16:05:23 do the recent ones include nsxml? 16:05:36 no. 16:06:02 they also don't inlcude a postgresql driver. 16:06:55 also this source includes everything you need: http://uptime.openacs.org/aolserver-openacs/aolserver3.4.2-oacs1-src.tar.gz 16:07:00 I installed it yesterday. 16:07:02 actually i'm still using oracle | acs 16:07:06 ah. 16:07:26 you might want to stick with aD's version then. 16:07:31 I'm a bit worried about making the transition. 16:07:37 but it is inevitable 16:08:07 yes. well, ybos.net has an updated ACS Tcl that is closer to the aD version. 16:08:16 cool 16:08:45 where can I get this? 16:10:36 Psychephylax has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:15:10 markd2 (~markd2@r-41.182.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 16:17:03 which this? 16:18:05 ybos.net version of ACS Tcl 16:18:19 not entirely clear on ybos.net site 16:19:07 here it is: http://developer.ybos.net/ 16:19:17 ok cool thanks alot 16:19:52 np. 16:20:00 * davb hopes talli doesn't find out 16:20:24 :) 16:20:33 :) 16:22:58 jkhong (~jkhong@202.151.220.11) has joined #openacs 16:25:31 bbl 16:25:34 davb has quit () 16:39:50 vinod (~vinod@216-164-248-232.s3216.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs 16:46:17 markd2 has quit ("exercise") 16:49:58 Hi everyone! Has anyone found a good ide that has strong support for tcl and sql (and stuff for OpenACS devel?) 16:50:55 hi jkhong 16:50:57 emacs? 16:50:59 i use emacs 16:50:59 vinod! 16:51:06 hey rbm! 16:51:31 hi vinod, rbm! Is emacs seriously THAT good? 16:51:38 emacs is great. 16:51:53 I've managed to escape learning emacs for years... Don't know if I can face it now. 16:51:59 haha 16:52:44 i've spent most of my life on macintoshes, so the power of emacs was a siren song for me :-) 16:54:01 but seriously, it does everything i need for the level of openacs dev that i do 16:54:06 I've tried Komodo -- nice syntax highlighting, MS-Word -like underlining of syntax errors for tcl, etc. But SLOW... and easier to learn than emacs ;) 16:55:58 One thing I'd like emacs to do (and it possibly does, but I don't know how to set it) is command completion. 16:56:45 rbm: yeah, that would be nice 16:57:38 komodo does it, though I don't find it very useful. Maybe coz it takes longer for it to suggest completion than it does for me to type it in. 16:57:58 (Looking at emacs websites now -- scary thought! :) 16:59:52 emacs does syntax highlighting (although it gets disabled in plgpsql since PG stored procs are within single quotes) 17:00:17 it doesn't do underlining/highlighting of syntax errors 17:01:32 I found a gui-xemacs at http://www.cs.indiana.edu/elisp/gui-xemacs/ !! It's still nothing near a cozy, eye-candy ide though. 17:03:08 The underlining of syntax errors is good for spotting typos without having to run the script. *VERY* helpful when I was learning tcl. 17:10:54 markd2 (~Snak@r-41.15.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 17:12:05 davb (~dave@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-204.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 17:17:30 hello! I'm trying to install acs with modules... 17:17:40 can somebody answer some questions? 17:18:52 acs or openacs? 17:19:17 actually sorry - I meant to say aolserver 17:19:35 I am trying to compile aolserver with modules 17:19:39 What's the problem you're facing? 17:19:45 I downloaded the src from aolserver.com 17:19:45 denshi (~chatzilla@adsl-216-62-223-193.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) has joined #openacs 17:20:13 I downloaded modules from arsdigita.com (XML modules, cache, oracle driver) 17:20:31 I save them in the aolserver source folder 17:20:45 I made wach one with "make" 17:20:54 *each 17:21:05 and a then made aolserver and make install 17:21:19 after adding the modules in the makefile. 17:21:25 am I doing something wrong? 17:21:32 I just do make install from each module directory. 17:21:53 don't use nsxml from aD.com 17:21:57 it is way old. 17:22:08 before or after I make aolserver? 17:22:16 oh ok 17:22:18 after. 17:22:29 make install for aolserver will put it in /usr/local/aolserver 17:22:38 then make install for each module copies it to /usr/local/aolserver/bin 17:22:47 unless you specify another target 17:23:08 yeah - ichanged the target 17:24:04