IRC log of openacs on 2002-03-30

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00:45:09 [hazmat]
goodbye, and thanks for all the fish
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02:45:47 [markd2]
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02:47:25 [talli_]
yo markd2
02:47:32 [markd2]
yo_ talli_
02:47:56 [markd2]
whazzon?
02:47:56 [talli_]
the _ is to differentiate me from that phony, talli
02:48:15 [talli_]
not much. getting redhat to run on my laptop
02:48:18 [talli_]
apt-rpm is quite nice
02:48:35 [talli_]
linux seems to be quickly getting useable, for non-geeks that is
02:48:43 [talli_]
at least until i gets meself some OSX
02:49:07 [markd2]
HOT OSXXX
02:49:35 [talli_]
speak it, bro
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03:29:25 [davb]
should I change the topic?
03:29:40 [talli]
haha
03:30:00 [davb]
did I miss something?
03:30:48 [talli]
apt works much better with a broadband connection
03:30:51 [davb]
til the interval thing is in the README i think
03:30:55 [davb]
yes, very nicely
03:34:26 [davb]
I can't look at this now... but they made it by march 29 anyway.
03:35:56 [talli]
yeah, they made it by 3/29
03:36:09 [talli]
too bad they initially promised it for 12/01
03:36:10 [Psychephylax]
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03:36:13 [Psychephylax]
doh
03:36:20 [Psychephylax]
Mark...you awake?
03:36:32 [markd2]
barely
03:36:38 [Psychephylax]
how do I start oracle
03:36:45 [davb]
svrmgrl
03:36:47 [davb]
connect internal
03:36:49 [davb]
startup
03:36:54 [davb]
thats easy :)
03:37:00 [markd2]
* markd2 == davb
03:37:03 [davb]
I have to install oracle though to fool with it
03:37:32 [Psychephylax]
hehe
03:37:35 [markd2]
you might need to sudo su - to the 'oracle' user, or you yourself be in the 'dba' grope
03:37:37 [markd2]
er, group
03:37:46 [Psychephylax]
I'm a dba ;)
03:37:54 [Psychephylax]
I just have a poor memory
03:40:34 [talli]
where's that beeyatch paje?
03:40:47 [markd2]
prolly out humpin' da rzolf
03:41:25 [talli]
again
03:41:29 [talli]
?
03:45:05 [markd2]
isn't he always?
03:45:33 [talli]
it's too bad we don't have bebop to make fun of anymore
03:45:48 [markd2]
may it rest in pieces
03:47:59 [markd2]
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03:48:10 [Psychephylax]
So sleepy
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03:59:34 [davb]
due to the oracleness of dotlrn at the current time, I won't be installing it today...
03:59:55 [Psychephylax]
;)
04:00:10 [davb]
no way I can get oracle installed tonight.... too tired
04:00:30 [davb]
I am not even sure I have 8.1.7 on CD....
04:01:58 [Psychephylax]
Just Dl it
04:02:03 [davb]
heh...
04:02:20 [davb]
when I dled 8.1.6 I got 3k/s from their ftp site. it took over 24 hours to dl it.
04:02:43 [Psychephylax]
I have to buy this cable modem
04:02:48 [davb]
?
04:02:54 [Psychephylax]
on eBay
04:03:03 [davb]
ooohh I do have it on CD
04:03:09 [Psychephylax]
;-)
04:03:13 [davb]
I am still not quite crazy enough to install tonight...
04:03:50 [davb]
all the docs are strangely ADPs instead of templated static pages... kinda wacky
04:07:26 [davb]
they also don't quote the attributes in their HTML, very annoying, totally won't validate.
04:08:15 [davb]
I still don't know what it doesn though...
04:09:12 [davb]
I think with file storage, surveys, bboards and the portal things, it is enough to start with for an elearning platform...
04:12:07 [davb]
cool, an animal shelter project locally!
04:12:12 [davb]
I have to apply for this...
04:12:35 [davb]
although the price seems kinda low, oh well, I work cheap :)
04:15:54 [Psychephylax]
*sigh*
04:15:56 [Psychephylax]
Hi Talli
04:29:09 [davb]
ok, i submitted a proposal for openacs for this project,
04:29:39 [Psychephylax]
:-)
04:29:42 [Psychephylax]
go dave...go dave
04:29:48 [davb]
heh
04:30:01 [davb]
I am already working two jobs and planning on going back to school.
04:30:13 [davb]
I am going to need a time machine or something if I actually get the project :)
04:32:20 [davb]
I wonder why, if OF wants to port dotlrn to postgresql, but that is not part of the MIT Sloanspace project, they don't ask for community support...
04:32:55 [davb]
I think I like the new portal system... gotta get that in OpenACS
04:33:56 [davb]
hmmmm.... they are creating specific read,create,delete,modify,admin privileges instaed of using the built-in oness....seems wrong
04:34:25 [davb]
maybe not..
04:39:37 [Psychephylax]
hehe
04:46:42 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax prepares to snipe eBay auction
04:46:48 [Psychephylax]
timer...check
04:46:54 [davb]
argh
04:46:57 [Psychephylax]
auction webpage...check
04:47:03 [Psychephylax]
Reserve funs...check
04:47:05 [davb]
7.2 does not like openacs 4-5 beta
04:47:12 [Psychephylax]
4 minutes to go...check
04:47:23 [davb]
good luck... might be back tomorrow
04:47:33 [Psychephylax]
Free shipping...check
04:47:37 [Psychephylax]
ok, nite nite
04:48:23 [Psychephylax]
Aha
04:48:34 [Psychephylax]
we have a new player in the game of "Snipe this auction"
04:49:06 [Psychephylax]
and another one!
04:49:22 [davb]
ohhh.
04:49:23 [davb]
bye
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13:07:40 [davb]
http://www.postnuke.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1784&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
13:07:40 [oacs-chump]
A: http://www.postnuke.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1784&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 from davb
13:07:49 [davb]
A:|PostNuke live IRC support
13:07:49 [oacs-chump]
titled item A
13:08:33 [davb]
A: A great idea... all we need are the volunteers
13:08:33 [oacs-chump]
commented item A
13:08:51 [davb]
A: also check out the home page. You can get alot of information right from there.
13:08:51 [oacs-chump]
commented item A
13:39:45 [jim]
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13:39:52 [jim]
re.
13:40:42 [jim]
welp, I found a bug I found before but forgot to report... ran across it again... guess what kind of thing I can't delete?
13:41:04 [jim]
users!
13:42:10 [jim]
I delete a user... it says "I did it"... I try to create the user again, using same email address... it says "that email is in the database already"
13:49:01 [davb]
that seems wrong
13:49:03 [davb]
:)
13:49:12 [davb]
I am going to install oracle today I think.
13:49:25 [davb]
should be nice on my 950mhz 512mb ram
13:49:26 [jim]
mornin davb
13:50:04 [davb]
oops, i forgot, my cdrom isn't working..
13:50:05 [davb]
argh!
13:50:38 [davb]
says no medium found...
13:51:06 [davb]
ah... ide-cd is loading as well as ide-scsi...
13:52:04 [davb]
hmm... do I need ide-cd and ide-scsi?
13:52:08 [jim]
no
13:52:24 [jim]
try accessing the cd as /dev/sr0
13:52:26 [davb]
my bad. I must have gotten confused with my config file.
13:52:33 [davb]
yeah, it says no medium
13:52:39 [davb]
works in win,
13:52:59 [davb]
is there any way to reset this without rebooting?
13:53:46 [jim]
umm, did you insert a module recently?
13:54:44 [jim]
has accessing the drive as /dev/sr0 ever worked before?
13:56:19 [davb]
yeah, before I reinstalled the entire OS :)
13:56:26 [davb]
I'll fix it later. thanks for helping.
13:56:28 [jim]
oh :)
13:56:34 [jim]
np :)
13:56:44 [davb]
bbiab
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14:15:03 [davb]
I figured it out.
14:15:16 [davb]
I have a CDROM and CDRW, the cdrw should be sr0
14:15:20 [davb]
its not. :)
14:15:33 [davb]
so I was putting the disc in the wrong drive.
14:16:49 [jim]
ahh :)
14:17:12 [jim]
so quick config change, or not and put disk in other drive, and binko!
14:17:30 [davb]
well, it won't recognize the other drive, i'll fix that later.
14:17:57 [jim]
what kernel you running?"
14:18:04 [davb]
2.4.18
14:18:18 [jim]
cool, which you'll need for oracle
14:18:37 [davb]
really. hmmm, I used 2.2.19 before.
14:19:33 [jim]
well, it's possible to use 2.2.x, but for some versions of orackle it was necessary to edit some .h files to make certain areas of memory larger
14:19:53 [davb]
ah. i never ran into that luckily.
14:20:20 [jim]
we did... but that all went away with 2.4.x
14:20:52 [jim]
8.1.6 didn't need it; 8.1.7 wouldn't even install unless you did
14:21:19 [davb]
I did install it, I must have been really lucky
14:21:53 [jim]
hmm... or I'm not remembering correctly
14:22:08 [davb]
no big deal :)
14:27:13 [jim]
bbiaw... coffee
14:27:40 [davb]
bbl oracle
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14:57:43 [davb]
* davb installs oracle
14:58:25 [markd2]
* markd2 hears birds chirping outside
14:58:45 [davb]
that sounds much nicer than oracle
14:58:53 [davb]
and the display thing is not working, argh...
14:58:56 [davb]
bbl
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15:46:55 [_djg_]
l
15:49:35 [markd2]
U
16:18:10 [Psychephylax]
Shaft!
16:20:28 [markd2]
* markd2 gitsdown
16:20:28 [Psychephylax]
Shaaaft...can you dig it?
16:21:33 [Psychephylax]
The old and the new meet together in one spectacular Showtime showing of Shhhaaaaaft :-D
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16:24:17 [jim]
re
16:29:08 [jim]
I want to take a database created in pg-7.2 and dump it out, for later restore by pg-7.1...
16:29:42 [jim]
paje, seen rbm
16:31:17 [markd2]
I haven't seen rbm in ages, jim
16:31:31 [markd2]
it's now chump's turn to be paje
16:31:38 [jim]
or paje, it seems :)
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18:08:16 [davb]
* davb has been defeated by oracle again :(
18:08:23 [jim]
why?
18:08:40 [davb]
I can't start the database, or stop it.
18:08:52 [davb]
somehow it was started and now it won't stop.
18:08:59 [jim]
wow...
18:09:08 [jim]
what version?
18:09:13 [davb]
8.1.7
18:09:20 [davb]
ORA-01034: ORACLE not available
18:09:32 [davb]
I might have to reinstall.
18:09:35 [jim]
that means it's not started...
18:09:38 [davb]
At least I have that part down..
18:09:42 [jim]
did you create the initial database?
18:09:44 [davb]
startup says its already running :)
18:09:47 [davb]
not yet.
18:10:07 [davb]
that is where I am stuck, the script won't run because it can't connect to oracle.
18:10:26 [jim]
hmm
18:10:53 [davb]
no big deal, I have to go to work soon, I'll wrangle with it later. I always have to unintall oracle at least once before it works
18:11:31 [jim]
8.1.7 needs a separate jdk
18:11:39 [davb]
I forgot to install the patch for glibc 2.2 before I tried to run dbassist...
18:11:44 [davb]
jdk?
18:11:51 [jim]
java devel kit
18:11:54 [davb]
I just installed the jre from blackdown.
18:12:04 [jim]
that should be ok
18:12:08 [jim]
which one? 1.1.8?
18:12:12 [davb]
1.3
18:12:28 [jim]
I've tried with 1.3 and it did work...
18:12:37 [davb]
everything intalled fine. last time I had an incredible time just getting the installer to run.
18:13:12 [davb]
well, thanks for trying. I have to go now...
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20:15:37 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. dancer-ircd-1.0.31+maint4 is up and running on the test network. We urgently need you to spend time trying to break the thing. You should be able to get to the testnet by using your favorite OPN server, and specifying port 9001 instead of the usual port. Please come help us out!
20:26:19 [markd2]
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20:27:29 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. Apologies, but we really could use more users on the testnet. Conversion coming up. Please connect to irc.openprojects.net:9001 .... thanks!
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21:46:14 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. Yet another reminder, please come help us test the new server code release, 1.0.31+maint4, on the testnet. Pick your favorite OPN server and specify port number 9001. Chances are that will get you there. Any assistance you can provide will be *greatly* appreciated at this point. Thanks.
22:55:59 [markd2]
http://lart.badf00d.org/project1.html
22:55:59 [oacs-chump]
B: http://lart.badf00d.org/project1.html from markd2
22:56:05 [markd2]
B:|Mangonel LART Project
22:56:05 [oacs-chump]
titled item B
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23:41:09 [jim]
re
23:44:05 [markd2]
howdee
23:44:53 [denshi]
hello gents
23:48:12 [markd2]
say I have www.ook.com, and I want anyone that goes to www.ook.com to be redirected to just ook.com (without the leading www)
23:48:15 [markd2]
is there an easy way to do that?
23:48:57 [denshi]
markd2, did you get back the yscore from your last DBA test?
23:49:28 [markd2]
yep.
23:49:31 [markd2]
think it was mid 80s
23:49:33 [denshi]
as for the redir, lemme get my notes.
23:50:16 [denshi]
what was your $$ layout for all the tests?
23:50:30 [markd2]
$125 per test (5)
23:50:44 [markd2]
so $625
23:51:00 [denshi]
all things considered, that's pretty reasonable.
23:51:03 [markd2]
plus about $80-100 per test for the selftestsoftware computerized tests
23:51:51 [denshi]
oof,
23:52:07 [markd2]
and then some for books
23:52:11 [markd2]
not exactly cheap
23:52:18 [markd2]
but much less than a single week of oracle training :-)
23:53:39 [denshi]
for the redir, can't you load 3 ns_registerprocs which call ns_retrunredirect on all urls?
23:54:03 [denshi]
or do you think there's a lower layer that can handle it?
23:54:57 [markd2]
I've seen some sites 3.X iwth a 'forceHostTo' setting
23:55:12 [markd2]
so I was wondering if that made it to opeancs land, or if it was a site-specific extension
23:55:41 [markd2]
kinda useful when you're doing cobrands. If someone specifies a cobrand that's not active, it'll redir them back to the main site name
23:57:04 [denshi]
yeah, that's useful. I haven't used that param, tho, just ns_registerprocs.
23:57:45 [markd2]
ok
23:58:11 [markd2]
thanks
23:58:19 [markd2]
too bad paje's not here, or I'd ++ ya :-)
23:59:57 [denshi]
++? what's that?