IRC log of openacs on 2002-03-29

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00:22:22 [til]
hmm, more calendar weirdness
00:33:40 [davb]
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00:35:42 [til]
good afternoon, sir davb
00:52:53 [davb]
hello til
00:56:00 [til]
somebody showed me that you can have anti-aliased fonts under kde, and even opera ... impressive
00:57:07 [davb]
cool.
00:57:23 [davb]
Can you turn them off at small sizes?
00:57:38 [davb]
they are useless under 14pt/pixels or so
00:57:48 [til]
good question ... how could i check?
00:58:25 [davb]
Opera 5 for win has a setting for it. I don't know how KDE works, I use XFCE :)
00:58:46 [til]
playing with the zoom feature in opera - it still smoothes small fonts, but i think they look ok
00:58:57 [davb]
and stick with the ms web fonts for most stuff.
00:59:01 [davb]
that is what I do.
00:59:15 [davb]
they look pretty good in Xfree86 4.x
00:59:48 [til]
i am still missing some fonts i am afraid ... for example the url's in the oacs sitemap wont show up
01:00:15 [davb]
really? they shoudl just be serif or sans-serif. I don't think it should be assuming you have any fonts installed.
01:00:51 [davb]
argh another IE patch. I didn't even finish patching from the last 5 times.
01:01:48 [til]
ah i am missing courier - that's why i did not see the patch content in the sdm either ;-)
01:03:12 [til]
* til feels sorry for davb who has to use ie
01:03:19 [davb]
just at work.
01:03:34 [davb]
can't get rid of it, even if you use mozilla, you probably still need to patch it.
01:04:01 [til]
because ie patches are actually patches to the operating system?
01:04:24 [davb]
because IE is inrrecovably intertwined with the OS.
01:04:47 [davb]
for example, the file explorer uses IE etc...
01:05:06 [davb]
windows is totally the opposite of unix, ie each program does one thing well and thats it.
01:06:02 [davb]
in windows land one program does 500 things and other programs borrow parts of it..
01:07:48 [til]
like that the only way to get webdav is iirc to install ie 5
01:08:04 [til]
too bad ...
01:27:14 [davb]
back to algebra, one more test and I am done
01:59:49 [rbm]
davb: A friend of mine says that the "Enough Rope..." book is great
02:00:04 [davb]
cool.
02:00:12 [davb]
first I have to finish my math... :)
02:04:24 [rbm]
Is http://www.us.postgresql.org/ broken?
02:05:15 [rbm]
I only see blank pages tehre
02:05:18 [rbm]
there even
02:05:31 [til]
works for me
02:05:41 [rbm]
must be mozilla then
02:05:55 [til]
or they installed some rbm-blocker
02:06:18 [davb]
works for me mozilla 0.9.8
02:07:04 [davb]
* davb wonders how hard it would be to switch for a source compiled postgresql to the debian package....
02:08:31 [rbm]
davb: pg_dumpall is your friend
02:08:34 [til]
pg_dump, a bit of editing, psql -f ?
02:09:29 [til]
at least you have to manually execute the postgres.sql script from oacs
02:10:13 [davb]
do I need to dump for 7.1 to 7.2?
02:10:53 [davb]
I might wait until rbms everything packages are done :)
02:11:20 [davb]
actually though I need to keep openacs in CVS becuase I am already using modified code...
02:13:10 [til]
what does that mean: do I need to dump for 7.1 to 7.2?
02:13:15 [til]
ah sorry
02:13:27 [rbm]
davb: Yes you do. 7.2 is a major new version
02:13:33 [davb]
ok. thanks.
02:17:06 [rbm]
Amazon.com is awesome in delivering targeted accurate content
02:17:58 [davb]
yes.
02:18:22 [davb]
I was thinking about what makes openacs special, and thought of amazon.
02:18:59 [davb]
on amazon the list of books, etc.. for sale is not the interesting content. it is the links between what you bought, and what other people bought etc...
02:19:15 [davb]
openacs is designed to build on information like that.
02:20:03 [davb]
am I on the right track here?
02:20:30 [davb]
I want to develop this more. basically its retelling part of the story in "the book".. as related to openacs 4 :)
02:20:59 [rbm]
davb: yes
02:21:12 [rbm]
It looks like I'll get to build an inventory system for OACS 4
02:21:22 [davb]
excellent.
02:21:31 [davb]
will you be able to write a little bit about it?
02:21:38 [rbm]
like?
02:21:54 [rbm]
I was hoping I could build on what's already there for e-commerce
02:22:10 [davb]
not sure. I don't know what challenges there will be.
02:22:23 [davb]
that would be nice. will it totally live in openacs or interface with another database?
02:22:34 [rbm]
davb: I'm not sure yet.
02:22:41 [davb]
ok. I won't bug you.
02:23:04 [davb]
My plan is to get people to write up interesting stuff they have done with openacs. so we can have a resource of different ways openacs can be customized.
02:23:10 [rbm]
The client is a gaming store. They do all the inventory in MS works spreadsheets.
02:23:20 [davb]
ah.
02:23:53 [davb]
except now I am working 2 jobs and going back to schoool.... so I am little strapped for time
02:23:53 [rbm]
They have 9 stores and they "update" each other by writing lists on paper and faxing to the other stores, who then enter into their MS Works spreadsheets
02:24:03 [davb]
ouch
02:24:54 [rbm]
Eventually they want to be able to do online sales, mailing lists, wishlists, etc.
02:25:04 [davb]
ah, sounds perfect.
02:25:09 [rbm]
That's basically what e-commerce is supposed to do, so I'm hoping to build on that
02:25:50 [til]
but i am afraid ecommerce is another candidate for rewrite
02:26:10 [rbm]
It'll be interesting to grab the data out of those spreadsheets and stuffing them into OACS
02:26:13 [davb]
were you planning on having them use the web interface for orders? or building a desktop client to access the database?
02:26:16 [rbm]
s/them/it/
02:26:37 [til]
csv is easiest for that i guess
02:26:49 [rbm]
davb: I don't know yet. Possibly both.
02:27:02 [davb]
ok :)
02:27:19 [rbm]
I just talked to the client today, so I haven't given it much thought
02:27:39 [rbm]
til: What's wrong with ecommerce? (haven't used it)
02:27:50 [rbm]
Didn't Flurfly do work on it?
02:27:53 [til]
i started using ecommerce for my online food ordering stuff but ended up doing most of the stuff myself
02:27:58 [davb]
sorry to be so inquisitive :)
02:28:08 [til]
mostly because it was too sophisticated for me in some respects, e.g. a deep sub/sub/category system
02:28:10 [rbm]
davb: no need to be sorry.
02:28:41 [davb]
til: argh... that drives me nuts. that should be intergrated with the rest of the openacs.
02:28:49 [til]
and it's propably badly integrated with oacs4 ... as far as i know it has its own templating system
02:28:53 [davb]
the seperate category systems for different packages.
02:29:05 [til]
oh - and did i mention it sets its own cookies?
02:29:11 [davb]
ruins my whole argument as outlined back there...
02:32:20 [til]
there is propably a lot of great stuff in it, but it needs to be more integrated
02:32:36 [til]
i just see it has an csv bulk upload
02:34:00 [rbm]
davb: I think I'll get "Code Complete" instead. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1556154844/ref=ase_postgresql-20/002-3314098-5749647 (notice that I stuck the "postgresql-20" code in there to give some money to PG :-))
02:35:20 [rbm]
"Writing Solid Code : Microsoft's Techniques for Developing Bug-Free C Programs" <-- this has _got_ to be a joke
02:35:41 [davb]
not really.
02:36:00 [davb]
those are the techniques for bug-free programs, doesn't mean everyone at MS uses them.
02:36:02 [davb]
:)
02:36:14 [davb]
it is supposed to be an excellent book.
02:36:33 [davb]
rbm: have you read the pragmatic programmer? also very good.
02:37:39 [rbm]
davb: A friend lent it to me, but I only had time to read half of it by the time I had to return it.
02:37:58 [rbm]
I thought it was a great book
02:55:20 [vinod]
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02:56:41 [davb]
hi vinod
02:57:07 [davb]
* davb welcomes another opportunity to avoid work...er...visitor to #openacs
02:59:57 [vinod]
heh - hey davb
03:00:10 [vinod]
i'm all for work-avoidance :-)
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03:18:54 [davb]
yeah! I finished all the problems in my algebra book!
03:19:02 [davb]
now on to geometry and trig.
03:20:59 [vinod]
woohoo!
03:21:04 [vinod]
nice going davb
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04:47:50 [hazmat]
hazmat has changed the topic to: OpenACS 4.5 Beta available: http://openacs.org || Waiting For DotLRN (Godot)
04:49:25 [til]
haha
04:49:39 [til]
GodotLRN
04:49:57 [til]
go, dotLRN, go!
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07:39:07 [talli]
paje, you miserable bastard. always running off...
08:14:15 [hazmat]
hi talli
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13:48:07 [davb]
hi
13:55:09 [Psychephylax]
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14:03:15 [Psychephylax]
I need web space
14:09:08 [davb]
what kind of service?
14:12:11 [Psychephylax]
just some basic web space
14:12:27 [Psychephylax]
Although sometimes it gets lots of hits :)
14:12:49 [davb]
I use cornerhost
14:13:02 [davb]
http://cornerhost.com
14:13:02 [oacs-chump]
A: http://cornerhost.com from davb
14:13:06 [Psychephylax]
yeah, the trick is that I don't want to pay for it :)
14:13:14 [davb]
oh, sorry, can't help you :)
14:13:20 [Psychephylax]
I'm working on it though
14:13:30 [Psychephylax]
I suggested to my boss we set up a box running apache :)
14:13:47 [Psychephylax]
I work for an ISP after all
14:13:53 [davb]
ah, yeah true.
14:23:24 [Psychephylax]
need to format the box and harden it though
14:23:31 [Psychephylax]
Maybe install Snort on it
14:23:36 [Psychephylax]
and some firewall software
14:25:03 [Psychephylax]
I wish they never blocked port 80 on my ISP
14:25:26 [davb]
yeah, that is a pain
14:25:53 [Psychephylax]
brb
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14:27:10 [Psychephylax]
ahhh...console based
14:27:13 [Psychephylax]
that's how I like it
15:21:05 [davb]
bbl torture^H^H^H^H^H^H^H meeting...
15:29:57 [Psychephylax]
hmm
15:43:28 [Psychephylax]
hi ho...hi ho...upgrading the kernel I go...
15:44:22 [Psychephylax]
davb, old blogs are funny to read
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16:20:39 [k2pts]
hey vinod
16:21:07 [vinod]
hey k2pts
16:21:24 [k2pts]
have you had the chance to try openacs with pg-7.2
16:21:56 [vinod]
yeah, well, with 7.2rc2, but mostly to check that installation worked. haven't banged on it too hard
16:22:12 [k2pts]
it doesn't work for me and can't figure out what's wrong
16:22:22 [k2pts]
it's the same problem as sometime ago...
16:22:39 [k2pts]
it resets the connection to postgresql just after
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generating secret tokens...really strange
16:22:51 [k2pts]
also,
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I have upgraded one database from 7.1.3 to 7.2 and it fails whenever I try to access /admin/site-map (there's a query that makes use of all three pools but I don't think that's it...it must be something else)
16:24:48 [vinod]
weird. does PG report an error? or just crash
16:25:11 [k2pts]
just crash...I haven't looked at this very deeply and I intend to try it more tonight...
16:25:39 [Psychephylax]
hey vinod
16:25:45 [vinod]
hey Psychephylax
16:25:47 [k2pts]
sometime ago, when rc1 or rc2 was released, we had the same problem with openacs...it wouldn't show the submit button, remember? it's similar
16:26:04 [k2pts]
the symptoms that is
16:26:20 [vinod]
yeah. it thought that had something to do with oids being used
16:26:33 [k2pts]
could you explain a bit more...
16:26:57 [vinod]
i was hoping you wouldn't ask that :-)
16:27:01 [vinod]
lemme find the bboard thread
16:27:09 [k2pts]
that would be great thanks
16:28:31 [vinod]
here it is: http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0003RA&topic_id=14&topic=OpenACS%204%2e0%20Testing
16:28:43 [vinod]
not sure if it's the same problem you're talking about
16:30:43 [k2pts]
ok, I'll have to ping Don about it...any news if dotlrn is going to be released today, finally I mean
16:31:09 [vinod]
i haven't heard - hopefully it will
16:31:37 [k2pts]
yeap
16:31:52 [k2pts]
ok vinod, thx for that thread...we talk later
16:32:01 [k2pts]
I'm going to play a bit with a fresh install
16:32:17 [vinod]
cool - i'll keep my fingers crossed :-)
16:32:35 [k2pts]
heh
16:32:37 [k2pts]
l8r
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16:34:09 [k2pts]
that was quick
16:34:18 [k2pts]
it's already there...so that's not it :)
16:35:52 [vinod]
hmmm .... i'm stumped then. once that problem was fixed, pg installed smoothly for me on 7.2rc2
16:36:34 [k2pts]
don't know if I'm missing something but it looks strange to me...I did try a fresh install and it has the same problem
16:38:05 [k2pts]
anyway, I'll head out and try to figure this out...
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16:43:38 [davb]
hi vinod
16:43:47 [vinod]
hey davb
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17:06:52 [k2pts]
vinod still there? I need a second opinion
17:08:20 [vinod]
hey k2pts
17:08:39 [k2pts]
hey
17:08:51 [k2pts]
here's the log dump, I need a second opinion
17:09:30 [k2pts]
[29/Mar/2002:19:03:25][1505.9226][-conn6-] Notice: INSTALL-HACK-LOG-BEN: version_id is 2383
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NOTICE: identifier "apm_package_version__add_dependency" will be truncated to "apm_package_version__add_depend"
17:09:30 [k2pts]
NOTICE: identifier "apm_package_version__add_dependency" will be truncated to "apm_package_version__add_depend"
17:09:30 [k2pts]
NOTICE: identifier "apm_package_version__add_dependency" will be truncated to "apm_package_version__add_depend"
17:09:30 [oacs-chump]
Label NOTICE not found.
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Label NOTICE not found.
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Label NOTICE not found.
17:09:32 [k2pts]
NOTICE: identifier "apm_package_version__add_dependency" will be truncated to "apm_package_version__add_depend"
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Label NOTICE not found.
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NOTICE: Message from PostgreSQL backend:
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Label NOTICE not found.
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The Postmaster has informed me that some other backend
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died abnormally and possibly corrupted shared memory.
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I have rolled back the current transaction and am
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going to terminate your database system connection and exit.
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Please reconnect to the database system and repeat your query.
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[29/Mar/2002:19:03:29][1505.9226][-conn6-] Notice: Ns_PgExec: Trying to reopen database connection
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[29/Mar/2002:19:03:29][1505.9226][-conn6-] Notice: Opening test-cvs-db on localhost
17:09:52 [k2pts]
[29/Mar/2002:19:03:29][1505.9226][-conn6-] Error: Ns_PgOpenDb(postgres): Could not connect to localhost::test-cvs-db: FATAL 1: The database system is starting up
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[29/Mar/2002:19:03:29][1505.9226][-conn6-] Error: Error sourcing /web/test-cvs/packages/acs-bootstrap-installer/installer/packages-install.tcl:
17:09:58 [k2pts]
Database operation "0or1row" failed (exception NSDB, "Query was not a statement returning rows.")
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while executing
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"ns_pg_bind 0or1row nsdb0 {
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select count(*) from pg_class
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where relname = lower(:table_name) and
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relname !~ '^pg_' and relkind = 'r'
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..."
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("uplevel" body line 1)
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invoked from within
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"uplevel $ulevel [list ns_pg_bind $type $db $sql"
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invoked from within
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"if { [info exists bind] && [llength $bind] != 0 } {
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if { [llength $bind] == 1 } {
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return [eval [list ns_pg_bind $type $db -bind $bind $sql]]
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..."
17:10:28 [k2pts]
invoked from within
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"db_exec 0or1row $db $full_name $sql"
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invoked from within
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"set selection [db_exec 0or1row $db $full_name $sql]"
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("uplevel" body line 2)
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invoked from within
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"uplevel 1 $code_block "
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invoked from within
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"db_with_handle db {
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set selection [db_exec 0or1row $db $full_name $sql]
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}"
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(procedure "db_string" line 7)
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invoked from within
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"db_string table_count {
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select count(*) from pg_class
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where relname = lower(:table_name) and
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relname !~ '^pg_' and relkind = 'r'
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}"
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(procedure "db_table_exists" line 2)
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invoked from within
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"db_table_exists apm_packages"
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(procedure "ad_acs_kernel_id" line 1)
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invoked from within
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"ad_acs_kernel_id"
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(procedure "populate_secret_tokens_db" line 3)
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invoked from within
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"populate_secret_tokens_db"
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(file "/web/test-cvs/packages/acs-bootstrap-installer/installer/packages-install.tcl" line 46)
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invoked from within
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"source $__file "
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take a look and I want to show you something
17:11:36 [k2pts]
db_table_exists apm_packages is never called inside ad_acs_kernel_id
17:11:40 [k2pts]
so that's strange, I don't know if I'm missing something obvious here...so I would really appreciate any ideas
17:12:28 [vinod]
k2pts: actually, look at the packages-install.tcl file. ad_acs_kernel_id is defined as a proc in that file and calls db_table_exists
17:13:09 [k2pts]
oh you're right. I was looking under acs-tcl
17:13:33 [vinod]
yeah. for some reason it's redefined to override the acs-tcl def
17:16:10 [davb]
it looks like postgresql is dying before it gets to that...
17:16:41 [k2pts]
davb: any idea, why's that happening?
17:16:53 [k2pts]
here's how I start my postgresql:
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su -l postgres -c 'export LANG=C; /usr/local/pgsql/bin/postmaster -N 200 -B 1000 -o "-S 2000" -S -D /usr/local/pgsql/data '
17:17:16 [davb]
not really :)
17:17:41 [davb]
I have all my setting in postgresql.conf.. let me look
17:17:48 [k2pts]
ok
17:19:02 [davb]
my connectsions (-N) is default (32)
17:19:11 [davb]
my shared buffers are 256
17:19:22 [k2pts]
so does that mean that I might be running out of memory
17:19:40 [davb]
maybe. that seems like alot of shared buffers. they are 8k each I think...
17:20:12 [k2pts]
ok, I'll give it another shot
17:20:22 [davb]
oops, my max connections is actually 64...
17:20:32 [davb]
my sort_mem is 2000
17:21:13 [Psychephylax]
.
17:21:20 [davb]
,
17:21:26 [k2pts]
davb: I have 512MB, so I think it should handle that
17:21:27 [vinod]
:
17:21:49 [davb]
sure. I am totally guessing. I don't even really know what those do. I just copied vinod :)
17:22:00 [vinod]
haha
17:22:08 [vinod]
and i just copied someone else
17:25:23 [davb]
what ?! I thought that advice was guaranteed!
17:25:26 [k2pts]
ok, testing again
17:25:31 [davb]
:)
17:26:06 [k2pts]
davb: you have the default settings...I think I copied mine from Henry
17:26:10 [vinod]
heh - sorry davb. you should know by now to ignore anything i say :-)
17:26:15 [k2pts]
that was for 7.1.3 though
17:26:26 [davb]
ah. right. I haven't tried 7.2 yet.
17:28:55 [k2pts]
same thing...and I also get
17:28:57 [k2pts]
[29/Mar/2002:19:34:35][2027.3076][-conn0-] Error: QD_LOGGER = Error parsing queryfile /web/test-cvs/packages/acs-subsite/www/register/user-new.xql:
17:30:47 [k2pts]
there's no such file
17:31:30 [vinod]
i had a similar problem. the file is present in the openacs-4-5 CVS branch, but not in the main branch
17:33:21 [k2pts]
interesting
17:34:10 [k2pts]
I would expect that changes go into the devel branch and then merge...that's strange...I thought that that was don's plan...
17:34:21 [vinod]
i'm still confused about how to work with CVS and this new branch. should fixes be made to both branches?
17:34:38 [davb]
no. fixes go in the beta branch.
17:34:45 [davb]
new development goes in the devel branch.
17:34:50 [k2pts]
is that right davb?
17:34:55 [davb]
when beta is done, the fixes will be merged back into devel
17:35:05 [davb]
so hopefully beta will be over soon.
17:35:08 [k2pts]
yes but I think that don said the opposite, I might be wrong
17:35:09 [vinod]
so that means that the devel branch might not be usable temporarily because some missing files aren't merged in yet
17:35:38 [davb]
I am surprised there ar emissing files. I was using the main branch right befoer it was split.
17:36:02 [k2pts]
could be, if what davb is saying is true...I really thought it was the opposite going on...
17:36:20 [k2pts]
I'm trying to update my beta branch and see if there were any changes lately
17:36:22 [davb]
that was what I got out of the bboard thread...
17:36:36 [vinod]
k2pts: i think davb is right. don said that beta fixes would be merged back into dev
17:36:45 [k2pts]
ok
17:36:55 [vinod]
and that putting fixes in both branches will complicate the merge
17:37:21 [k2pts]
yes that's the post...I thought it was vice versa, whatever, I haven't applied any patches since beta
17:37:33 [k2pts]
I don't see any changes on the beta branch though
17:37:55 [davb]
don said he was going to work on applying patches this weekend.
17:41:59 [k2pts]
really, strange
17:42:16 [k2pts]
have to try again with the beta branch, see if it works that way
17:49:23 [k2pts]
same thing
17:52:07 [k2pts]
any ideas?
17:52:25 [davb]
I can't even get 7.2 to install...
17:52:32 [k2pts]
heh
17:53:53 [vinod]
i blew my 7.2 install away last wk, so i can't test right now
17:54:12 [k2pts]
anyway I have to head out... davb: if you have any luck with this one, I would appreciate if you could email me so that I know I missed something but it's really strange...I can't think a reason for getting this behavior (backend dying)
17:54:32 [davb]
my either, very strange. I'll let you know if I get it to work.
17:54:37 [k2pts]
thx
17:54:38 [k2pts]
l8r
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17:56:37 [davb]
I am getting this error: usr/lib/postgresql/bin/pg_encoding: relocation error: /usr/lib/postgresql/bin/pg_encoding: undefined symbol: pg_char_to_encoding
17:56:37 [davb]
initdb: pg_encoding failed
17:58:29 [vinod]
are you using the .deb?
17:58:42 [davb]
yeah apt-get install postgresql
17:59:05 [davb]
it won't install, and I can't remove it either...
17:59:49 [davb]
oh remove -f works..
18:01:39 [vinod]
i've always done pg from source, but i'll probably change to the debs soon
18:02:02 [davb]
I always used source too :) maybe I still will.
18:02:29 [vinod]
heh
18:03:25 [davb]
ah. it is picking up on my old 7.1.3 install...
18:03:32 [davb]
that was from source...
18:04:23 [davb]
yeah!
18:04:35 [davb]
i removed /usr/local/pgsql from ld.so.conf
18:04:57 [davb]
brb
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18:24:19 [vinod]
hey talli
18:24:38 [talli]
hey vinod
18:24:50 [vinod]
i take it you caught that red-eye
18:25:08 [Psychephylax]
pink eye?
18:25:11 [talli]
actually, i didn't
18:25:20 [vinod]
oh, you were just ignoring me
18:25:25 [talli]
but i left the office really late, and when i did i forgot your phone number
18:25:30 [vinod]
haha
18:25:34 [vinod]
nice excuse
18:25:48 [vinod]
i've heard that one from every girl i've asked out
18:25:56 [talli]
haha
18:26:17 [talli]
well, the difference was that i was actually looking for some action
18:26:23 [talli]
so it's both of our losses
18:26:24 [vinod]
lol
18:26:28 [vinod]
glad you didn't call
18:26:34 [talli]
haha
18:27:33 [vinod]
hey Psychephylax - i'm going to russia next week
18:35:47 [Psychephylax]
really?
18:35:48 [Psychephylax]
What part
18:36:05 [vinod]
moscow - for 4 days
18:36:08 [Psychephylax]
cool
18:36:12 [Psychephylax]
Tell them I said hi :-D
18:36:25 [vinod]
i'll write it in spray paint on the kremlin
18:37:24 [Psychephylax]
lol
18:37:31 [vinod]
:-)
18:37:55 [vinod]
i can't wait. it should be a lotta fun
18:40:04 [Psychephylax]
Don't get arrested!
18:40:11 [vinod]
haha
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18:41:12 [davb]
hi.
18:41:23 [talli]
yo davb
18:41:30 [davb]
hi talli, welcome back
18:41:36 [talli]
thanks
19:03:23 [Psychephylax]
man, sometimes my friends really piss me off
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19:10:39 [davb]
vinod doesn't take criticism to well
19:13:55 [Psychephylax]
heh
19:14:43 [Psychephylax]
must compile FBSD kernel
19:28:11 [davb]
talli: hows momentum?
19:33:40 [Psychephylax]
me thinks he's ignoring you
19:33:45 [Psychephylax]
:)
19:50:23 [Psychephylax]
Dave
19:50:32 [Psychephylax]
you still host chump and loggy on your home machine?
19:50:38 [davb]
yep
19:50:45 [Psychephylax]
k
19:50:46 [davb]
just chump
19:50:51 [davb]
* davb reads...
19:51:07 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax writes faster than dave reads so dave can't stop
19:51:25 [davb]
the problem is I write faster then I can read
19:51:56 [Psychephylax]
lol
19:53:30 [Psychephylax]
You know
19:53:32 [Psychephylax]
Friday's suck
19:53:35 [Psychephylax]
I want to go home
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20:11:36 [davb]
hi markd2
20:11:42 [davb]
congrats!
20:12:56 [Psychephylax]
On?
20:13:03 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax gives markd2 a cookie just in case
20:13:18 [davb]
exactly
20:13:29 [markd2]
hiya
20:13:29 [markd2]
thanks!
20:14:09 [Psychephylax]
:-D
20:15:10 [davb]
hmmm, is intarray not included in postgresql 7.2?
20:18:18 [davb]
looks like it should be in there somewhere...
20:24:39 [davb]
hmmm. I am having a problem reloading a database into postgresql frm a dump.
20:25:06 [davb]
it says I am the wrong user. if I am postgres it looks for the db owner user. if I am that user, it looks for postgres...
20:28:10 [til]
davb: try to delete all \connect lines from the dump file
20:28:24 [til]
at least thats what worked for me
20:33:03 [til]
are you upgrading from 7.1 to 7.2? the you have to psql -f the postgres.sql file from oacs
20:36:15 [davb]
ah.
20:36:21 [davb]
ok.
20:36:24 [davb]
thanks for both.
20:37:00 [davb]
seen on IRC: ""If we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made of meat?""
20:38:02 [til]
heh
20:38:48 [davb]
cool,
20:38:56 [davb]
but intarray still does not exist.
20:39:12 [til]
what is that? a pg function?
20:39:42 [davb]
yeah. its part of 7.1 in contrib.
20:39:47 [davb]
needed for openfts.
20:39:56 [davb]
the next version of openfts doesn't use it.
20:40:05 [davb]
s/doesn't/won't
20:40:07 [til]
i wish i knew anything about openfts
20:40:19 [davb]
its cool. :)
20:40:27 [til]
i know ;)
20:40:49 [davb]
in the context of openacs at least, it works great. I have no idea how it works though :)
20:41:29 [til]
have a good example handy? is it enabled on your site?
20:41:46 [davb]
yes. www/thedesignexperience.org/search/
20:42:02 [davb]
the chump weblog is in there.
20:42:26 [davb]
:( no dotlrn news yet...
20:42:27 [til]
wow
20:42:45 [til]
see /topic ;)
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20:48:03 [davb]
hmmmm... yahoo gave me a free email account. should I turn off the spam them turned on for my account, or send it to my free yahoo account and clog up their mail server...
20:48:30 [davb]
yahoo has reset all the marketing preferences for everyone's accounts to YES. nice of them hmmmm?
20:49:30 [davb]
I asked for EVERYTHING! and turned on html mail.
20:50:34 [markd2]
can you forward accounts to each other
20:50:37 [markd2]
set up a spam mail loop
20:52:00 [til]
paje, slashdot
20:52:11 [til]
oh, he is gone
20:52:18 [markd2]
noooo!!!!!!
20:52:37 [til]
markd2, slashdot
20:53:28 [til]
til, slashdot
20:53:29 [til]
Yahoo Knows Best, Resets Users' Marketing Prefs
20:56:48 [Psychephylax]
:-/
21:01:51 [markd2]
"slashdot is to be avoided"
21:01:57 [markd2]
"if you must see it, use http://alterslash.org instead"
21:02:11 [markd2]
"99.9% fewer natalie portman posts"
21:08:11 [davb]
I just read the front page.
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22:36:47 [til]
anybody know where the to_interval() func comes from? there seems to be yet another 7.1-> 7.2 issue
22:37:28 [til]
ah, it's in acs-events
22:37:45 [til]
calendar week-view bombs on 7.2
22:37:48 [til]
grr
22:46:12 [til]
what on earth does this do, and why won't it work under 7.2 anymore: return '''''''' || interval__number || '' '' || interval__units || '''''''' || ''::interval'';
22:46:42 [til]
this is the body of the to_interval function
22:50:57 [markd2]
that's pretty intense
22:51:12 [til]
i think removing some ' will help
22:52:56 [markd2]
I feel the urge to backslash randomly
22:53:08 [til]
in 7.2 it ends up as string ''3 days'::interval' ... while in 7.1 it is casted to an interval
22:53:34 [til]
don't confuse it with emacs programming ;)
22:57:22 [til]
so can anyone tell me if i should not replace that with this: return (interval__number || '' '' || interval__units)::interval; ?
22:57:36 [til]
seems to work under both versions
23:14:44 [til]
how could i believe that the acs-events drop script would work
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