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03:26:40 <devlin.openprojects.net> Users on #OpenACS: loggy AaronSw markd2 hazmat til Psychephylax tontsa andyn shagster _djg_ GEM_ oacs-chump paje rbm loggyInExile 
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03:26:44 <AaronSw> tada!
03:26:52 <markd2> woot!
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03:38:17 <markd2> who was that masked aaronsw?
03:43:32 <rbm> aaronsw never spends more than a few minutes at #openacs anymore
03:52:09 <markd2> too many goats
03:52:11 <markd2> or not enough
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04:52:44 <AaronSw> awesome, i didn't know you guys were distributing openacs via BitTorrent
04:58:02 <hazmat> * hazmat whispers about the coming age of p2p
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05:23:44 <talli> hey guys
05:24:34 <talli> loggy, i love you
05:24:34 <talli> I'm logging. I don't understand 'i love you', talli.  Try /msg loggy help
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05:32:07 <norelent> hey guys, just downloaded the latest cvs and I can't seem to get it started: 
05:32:17 <norelent> error: failed to redirect '404': exceeded recursion limit of 3
05:32:20 <norelent> anyone seen it??
05:38:13 <talli> * talli wants more bots
05:38:16 <talli> paje, botsnack
05:38:17 <paje> :)
05:38:26 <talli> paje, what will you give me for a botsnack?
05:38:26 <paje> thanks talli :)
05:38:42 <talli> paje, quid pro quo
05:38:43 <paje> talli: excuse me?
05:39:13 <talli> paje, i give you a botsnack, you give me some...
05:39:13 <paje> thanks talli :)
05:39:28 <talli> no, no paje, sweetheart. i want something in return
05:40:01 <talli> paje, i'm not made of botsnacks, you know. but i can make it worth it to you
05:40:01 <paje> :)
05:40:11 <talli> that's more like it
05:40:46 <norelent> talli, any thoughts?
05:41:26 <talli> i have many thoughts. some of them involve dragons and midgets, but mostly their about spiderman and how he stole my act
05:41:48 <norelent> dammit, talli, I'm talkin about cvs here! :)
05:41:48 <talli> paje, what do you think about that, sweetie?
05:41:49 <paje> talli: i haven't a clue
05:42:04 <talli> cvs? bad pharmacy
05:42:12 <norelent> well..... 
05:42:17 <norelent> * norelent scratches head
05:42:22 <talli> now, cbs, there's a softball team!
05:42:40 <norelent> paje, smack talli
05:42:40 <paje> norelent: what?
05:42:58 <norelent> paje, send talli to his room
05:42:58 <paje> norelent: i'm not following you...
05:44:02 <talli> paje, again!
05:44:03 <paje> * paje spanks talli
05:44:08 <talli> OOOOO!
05:45:23 <norelent> paje: talli
05:45:23 <paje> i guess talli is a super duper dancer who can twirll on his head, run on his hands and use chopsticks with his toes.
05:45:45 <talli> oh-my-god
05:45:49 <norelent> talli: have you (or anyone) tried a fresh cvs version recently? I'm getting a strange error...
05:45:51 <talli> sexy, sexy talli
05:46:25 <talli> norelent: one thing that will become painfully clear to you as you spend more time in this community is that i am perhaps the least qualified person to ask technical questions of
05:46:36 <norelent> sweet!  thx :)
05:46:47 <talli> np
05:46:53 <norelent> all right! everyone.... I guess I'll get the tarball then... 
05:46:56 <norelent> * norelent harrumph!!
05:46:58 <norelent> :)
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06:31:04 <zahn.openprojects.net> topic is: OpenACS: 4.5 Beta available: http://openacs.org/
06:31:04 <zahn.openprojects.net> Users on #OpenACS: oacs-logger AaronSw norelent talli hazmat til Psychephylax tontsa andyn shagster rbm _djg_ GEM_ oacs-chump paje 
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06:31:31 <hazmat> smoke some crack loggy
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13:48:02 <davb> hi
14:08:08 <davb> yeah! logger is back!
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14:15:21 <Psychephylax> morning
14:19:18 <GEM_> Morning
14:19:57 <Psychephylax> :)
14:24:07 <markd2> hiya
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14:54:04 <k2pts> paje: seen davb?
14:54:04 <paje> davb was last seen on #openacs 45 minutes and 56 seconds ago, saying: yeah! logger is back! [Wed Mar 27 07:08:41 2002]
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14:58:02 <davb> argh, missed him again
15:01:22 <markd2> LOL
15:03:08 <davb> for some reason they keep asking me to work bewteen 9:00 and 10 am
15:03:10 <davb> EST
15:29:57 <rbm> oom
15:30:58 <davb> moo rbm
15:39:35 <jim> hour per day?
15:40:13 <jim> heya all...
15:40:38 <davb> at least!
15:40:58 <jim> davb: was it k2pts that suggested that the drop-instance contract should contain more calls?
15:41:07 <jim> do we know what those are yet?
15:41:10 <davb> actually we are quite busy after migrating our server from novell to win2k
15:41:29 <davb> jim: I haven't talked to him about it in a while
15:41:33 <davb> or anything actually.
15:41:39 <jim> wow... you too? why win?
15:41:47 <davb> don't ask me.
15:42:00 <davb> we need a calendar server though, and talli's isn't done yet.
15:42:12 <davb> so we are using exchange.
15:42:39 <jim> I have an app that needs calendars...
15:43:02 <jim> has to be able to overlay things based on what a user is interested in
15:43:14 <davb> Linksys wireless 4 port cable/dsl router $152 at amazon.com
15:43:25 <davb> that sounds cool. 
15:43:37 <jim> if it's wireless, why do you need a cable? :)
15:43:49 <davb> it would be great to store that ina calendar server instead of writing your own in the database.
15:43:50 <davb> heh
15:44:30 <jim> what is a calendar server? is talli's an oacs pkg?
15:45:01 <jim> well, I guess I know sorta what it is... but humor me :)
15:45:10 <davb> no. it just does calendars. basically transporting calendar data back and forth. probably in some sort of XML format.
15:45:36 <davb> it would be like using qmail to handle your web-mail package.
15:46:11 <jim> you mean rather than build MTA functionality into the acs and the database
15:46:49 <davb> right,
15:47:08 <davb> there is a "standard" for calendar data called icalendar or something like that.
15:47:13 <rbm> brb
15:47:34 <jim> rbm: looks like your app is close to getting an AM
15:50:32 <markd2> an am?
16:01:37 <jim> debian new maintainer application manager
16:03:18 <jim> so is there thus a standard way to -store- such data, and also standard semantics?
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16:10:37 <rbm> jim: Really? How do you know?
16:10:57 <jim> I look at the list from time to time... anyone can...
16:11:30 <jim> you're about 7 from the bottom now... when you get down to the bottom, you'll be next in line ;)
16:12:00 <rbm> Hmmm, I don't think I've seen that list.
16:15:55 <rbm> Ah, I see it now
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16:44:21 <k2pts> paje: seen davb?
16:44:21 <paje> davb was last seen on #openacs 57 minutes and 13 seconds ago, saying: there is a "standard" for calendar data called icalendar or something like that. [Wed Mar 27 08:47:42 2002]
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16:46:44 <markd2> davb should now show back up in 2 minutes
16:46:59 <rbm> my thought exactly
16:50:41 <davb> argh, missed him again
16:50:43 <davb> heh
16:51:28 <davb> I was learning way more than I want to know about win2k
16:51:39 <davb> b?
16:51:39 <davb> <paje> davb was last seen on #openacs 57 minutes and 13 seconds ago, saying: there is a "standard" for calendar data called icalendar or something like that. [Wed Mar 27 08:47:42 2
16:51:42 <davb> argh
16:51:50 <davb> http://www.wacom.com/tips/index.cfm?category=Photoshop
16:51:50 <oacs-chump> A: http://www.wacom.com/tips/index.cfm?category=Photoshop from davb
16:51:56 <davb> A:|Cool Photoshop tips.
16:51:56 <oacs-chump> titled item A
16:52:08 <markd2> durn, he showed up in 4 minutes
16:52:24 <davb> A: they are written for Wacom Pen tablets, but you can use the advice in Photoshop anyway.
16:52:25 <oacs-chump> commented item A
16:52:43 <davb> A: if you understand the tools, you could probably apply them to other apps such as Gimp
16:52:43 <oacs-chump> commented item A
16:53:05 <davb> markd2: maybe we should have a pool for how many minutes I miss k2pts by
16:53:22 <markd2> someone should hack paje to do that
16:59:15 <rbm> I would, but it's perl, so I won't :)
16:59:15 <rbm> So office now runs on Linux eh?
16:59:15 <rbm> * rbm wonders how many times people will pronounce "Linux on the Desktop" dead
16:59:40 <davb> office runs on linux?
17:00:32 <rbm> With the Crossover Office product, yes.
17:00:43 <rbm> www.crossover.com
17:00:56 <rbm> err. nevermind. www.codeweavers.com
17:03:30 <davb> cool. $54 isn't too bad.
17:14:22 <jim> * jim wonders if an irc bot can be directly coupled to an oacs
17:14:37 <jim> (I've wondered this before...)
17:16:38 <davb> sure, write it in Tcl. 
17:16:53 <davb> there is a way to have a disconnected thread that stays open.
17:17:07 <jim> there are eggdrops... they run tcl
17:17:24 <davb> that would be good for me. I could get the chump output into the database easy.
17:17:47 <jim> and people could have more chumps
17:18:33 <jim> but how would you get enough of the aolserver api in the bot's tcl?
17:19:26 <davb> I don't understand the question. If its running in aolserver, the api is available.
17:19:55 <jim> well, eggdrops have a C component and their own tcl
17:20:05 <davb> ah, the C part.
17:20:48 <jim> right, so it's either include aolserver into the bot, have the bot be part of the aolserver, or have the bot's tcl get (some of) the aolserver api
17:21:25 <davb> probably a C aolsever module with the bot written in tcl.
17:21:31 <jim> or maybe just enough to get the oacs database api up in it
17:22:16 <davb> in what?
17:22:47 <jim> in an eggdrop bot...
17:23:03 <davb> Are you talking about the bot that will run in a seperate aolserver from openacs?
17:23:20 <davb> * davb is confused :)
17:23:26 <jim> but I guess it's also possible to have the C part of the bot be a module of the openacs aolserver
17:23:51 <davb> right. that is the easiest way to do it.
17:24:03 <jim> then you could create ui that configures the bot
17:24:05 <davb> or program the bot to talk to openacs via xmlrpc or soap
17:24:12 <davb> that would be cool.
17:25:30 <jim> then, you could have stored irc logs and blog-like thigns
17:26:13 <davb> right now I just store it in html and use static-pages
17:26:31 <jim> paje's factoids could be indexed or searchable
17:27:06 <markd2> and keep a history of the factoids
17:27:22 <jim> maybe version them
17:27:35 <davb> aigh
17:27:35 <markd2> it'd be interesting to see the mutations the 'talli' entry goes through
17:27:43 <davb> heh
17:27:50 <davb> then you can have an irc link to the sdm
17:28:05 <jim> right, or any other module
17:28:30 <davb> nifty.
17:29:29 <jim> if we just look at irc functionality to date, you have info type bots, channel-tending bots, and less interesting types too, like attackbots and warbots
17:29:54 <davb> mozilla has a bot that interfaces with bugzilla
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17:32:30 <jim> for channel-tenders, you'd want lists of host/nick masks, list of users, a collection of primitive actions the bot could do and the ability to assemble some sort of script
17:34:01 <jim> for infobots (such as paje), you might add things like listkeys and listvals (which searches for patterns in the factoid keys and values, and prints the factoid name of the first N matches
17:34:06 <jim> )
17:34:40 <jim> you could add chump-like features
17:36:42 <jim> on #debian in particular, the debian servers abound with all different kinds of info servers, the bot there can search for files in a package, package names to come up with packages... then, you can get basic info, depends, who maintains, etc from the bot
17:37:28 <jim> right now the bot downloads package files
17:38:20 <jim> and Contents files (to do file-in-package queries)
17:39:07 <davb> wow
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18:07:48 <AaronSw> anyone have the tcl code for creating directory listings in aolserver?
18:12:40 <til> isnt that part of the request processor? there was a bug in the rp that caused the listing to be displayed instead of a 404
18:14:18 <til> in acs-tcl/tcl/request-processor-procs.tcl: ad_proc -private rp_html_directory_listing
18:14:28 <til> "Generates an HTML-formatted listing of a directory. This is mostly
18:14:29 <til>   stolen from _ns_dirlist in an AOLserver module (fastpath.tcl)."
18:15:51 <til> yak, it doesn't return <html><body> ... tags
18:16:09 <AaronSw> aha, thanks
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18:45:02 <jim> AaronSw: well, I wrote a dir lister in tcl...
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18:49:44 <jim> and I think it left with the old drive...
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18:58:47 <davb-lunch> slow day...
18:59:19 <davb-lunch> http://www.jerf.org/writings/CBDTPA.html
18:59:19 <oacs-chump> B: http://www.jerf.org/writings/CBDTPA.html from davb-lunch
18:59:34 <davb-lunch> B:|The CBDTPA Is Immune to (Conventional) Criticism
18:59:34 <oacs-chump> titled item B
19:01:22 <davb-lunch> B: very clean argument why the CBDTPA is totally out of line with reality
19:01:22 <oacs-chump> commented item B
19:13:24 <hazmat> ruby is pretty cool.
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19:51:12 <davb-lunch> argh!
19:51:18 <davb-lunch> how many minutes that time?
19:51:19 <davb-lunch> :)
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19:51:56 <davb> hi denshi
19:52:27 <davb> B: describes the uphill battle faced to fight this bill and suggest some ways to think about it
19:52:27 <oacs-chump> commented item B
19:52:36 <denshi> hey davb.. just back from lunch meself
19:52:50 <denshi> how do I issue a /list with a wildcard?
19:54:35 <til> hi
19:54:43 <til> denshi: /list *kde*
19:55:35 <til> user minimum like that: /list -min 10 *kde*
19:55:52 <denshi> neither one works.
19:56:36 <til> hmm, works for me with bitchx, and also worked bevor with ksirc i believe
19:56:46 <til> maybe it depends on the server
19:56:47 <denshi> on this network?
19:56:53 <denshi> i'd think so
19:56:58 <til> yes, on openprojects
20:15:38 <denshi> maybe it's my client...
20:16:50 <til> mine returns nothing when there are no matches, e.g. /list *dafasfewafewfrewaf*
20:20:54 <denshi> yes, but I'm trying /list *kde* and I get nothing.
20:22:52 <til> weird
20:23:25 <denshi> i guess I'll check bugzilla for chatzilla bugs later.
20:23:57 <davb> works on mIRC
20:29:34 <til> hmm, how do i get the total number of minutes from an interval, e.g. 90 when the interval is 01:30?
20:32:37 <til> or different, if i have two fields: start_date and end_date, how do i get the difference in seconds?
20:33:49 <davb> in postgresql?
20:34:07 <til> davb: yes
20:36:52 <davb> this will work, but seems like too much:
20:37:22 <davb> wait, no it won't...
20:37:24 <davb> hmmm.
20:37:56 <til> i think i already asked this before and rbm knew the answer
20:39:17 <davb> check his cookbook.
20:40:18 <davb>  http://techdocs.postgresql.org/redir.php?link=http://www.brasileiro.net/postgres/cookbook
20:40:25 <davb> oops. well the link is in there.
20:40:57 <til> thanks
20:43:45 <rbm> oom
20:44:59 <denshi> moo
20:51:02 <til> nothing that solves my problem in the cookbook i am afraid
20:51:20 <davb> darn
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20:58:13 <til> aah, SELECT EXTRACT(EPOCH FROM INTERVAL '5 days 3 hours');
21:02:04 <til> it's in the docs, i overlooked it again
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22:06:23 <hazmat> anyone used interwoven?
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23:10:08 <rbm> nope