00:05:02 <rbm> davb: Have you seen my PostgreSQL Cookbook?
01:32:07 <davb> rbm: <bad joke>no, where did you leave it last</bad joke>
01:32:18 <davb> actualy. yes. its very useful. :)
01:57:42 <til> anyone has a script for oracle handy that drops and recreates a tablespace (for an openacs reinstall)?
01:57:57 <davb> I think so...
01:58:49 <til> please, davb, please
02:00:26 <davb> darn, I can't find it.
02:01:05 <til> its only five commands or so, but copying and pasting from the install guide always makes me mad
02:01:27 <davb> I know. I had one I thought... still looking
02:04:11 <davb> sorry. I have not found it. I was just copy and pasting it myself :)
02:04:40 <til> oh well
02:05:00 <til> thanks anyway
02:05:41 <davb> brb
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02:17:45 <til> hmm, i just dropped (with cascade) and recreated the oracle user, now the data-model installation loops infinitely
02:19:50 <til> maybe the tablespace has to be dropped too
02:20:21 <davb> I always drop everything.
02:20:25 <davb> brb again :)
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02:33:11 <davb> ok, so what does everyone use for printing? 
02:36:35 <til> i remember turboprint worked fine for some old canon printer
02:37:34 <til> i never really understood the differences between lpd, lprng, cups etc.
02:37:59 <davb> me neither. I have an okidata 6e. it almost works :)
02:38:32 <til> i just do random apt-get install, apt-get remove until it works
02:38:42 <til> what's almost?
02:38:53 <davb> the light flashes, but it never prints. 
02:40:43 <til> have you tried different file types? .txt, .pdf etc?
02:40:50 <davb> yes.
02:41:18 <til> did you insert paper? ;-) sorry ...
02:41:25 <davb> heh, yep
02:42:05 <davb> I think I am doing tthe same thing wrong as before. I had it hooked up locally, then I put it on my wife's windows computer. I can connect via samba, but still the same results.
02:44:34 <til> no idea about samba printing, never had to use it
02:45:15 <davb> yeah. Well I'll figure it out one of these days. or pick up an epson c60 like RBM
02:47:15 <til> now the oracle install worked ... what i thought to be an infinite loop before was propably just an-awful-lot-of-time
02:47:26 <davb> ah. RAM helps.
02:48:36 <til> have 256 ... more would be prohibitively expensive for this thinkpad. unfortunately
02:48:50 <davb> yes, I suspect so.
02:49:42 <davb> but 512 REALLY helps :)
02:50:43 <til> i know ... sigh
02:51:28 <davb> sorry :( I still use a desktop. My thinkpad has 40MB and is a P133
02:51:39 <davb> with an 800MB harddrive.
02:52:48 <til> good for everything except oracle ;)
02:53:08 <davb> right.
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02:59:32 <davb> argh.
02:59:34 <davb> has anyone build nsxml with xslt support on debian?
02:59:48 <davb> It builds ok, but for some reason the commands are not created.
03:02:04 <til> never used the xslt commands - is there any part of oacs that uses them btw?
03:02:14 <davb> not yet :)
03:02:59 <davb> argh
03:04:41 <davb> I know I did this before and it worked.
03:05:00 <davb> I am suspecting a problem with my version of libxslt or libxml2
03:05:22 <davb> but unfortunately, it builds fine, and everything else seems to work.
03:05:45 <davb> oops, wait.
03:05:59 <davb> the commands are changed in the version I am using... hmmm
03:08:11 <til> whoa, server error on openacs.org
03:08:20 <davb> wow!
03:08:36 <til> i was trying to submit a patch
03:09:39 <davb> nope, that did not help.
03:09:45 <til> what am i supposed to select under "release"? hmm, let's try 4.5b
03:10:12 <davb> the sdm is a little broken. I never could create a release of ns_xmlrpc
03:11:07 <til> do you know who i should bug with this? the almighty don himself maybe?
03:11:28 <davb> yeah. or yell for rbm
03:11:31 <davb> hey rbm!
03:11:32 <davb> :)
03:13:35 <til> hey, i can look in the openacs.org error log myself with my ssh account
03:13:44 <davb> cool.
03:13:58 <davb> now that is getting involved in an open source project!
03:14:12 <til> :)
03:14:49 <til> referential integrity violation - key referenced from sdm_package_patches not found in users
03:15:01 <til> aargh - whats going on?
03:15:06 <davb> weird. 
03:17:58 <davb> time for me to go. good luck
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03:30:02 <til> just for the record - everything is ok with openacs.org ... for some reason opera forgot my cookie in the middle of the session, that was the reason for the error
03:44:26 <rbm> oom
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04:48:58 <talli> paje, seen shagster
04:48:58 <paje> shagster was last seen on #openacs 5 days, 1 hours, 30 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: Just the way BillG likes it [Wed Mar 13 20:20:28 2002]
04:52:43 <rbm> paje: seen talli
04:52:44 <paje> talli was last seen on #openacs 3 minutes and 45 seconds ago, saying: paje, seen shagster [Mon Mar 18 21:50:59 2002]
04:52:49 <rbm> paje: seen paje
04:52:49 <paje> I haven't seen 'paje', rbm
04:52:52 <talli>  hey rbm
04:52:55 <rbm> paje: What?
04:52:56 <paje> rbm: i haven't a clue
04:53:07 <talli> paje, who's on first?
04:53:07 <paje> talli: bugger all, i dunno
04:55:01 <rbm> Darn it... I think I'll write this package of mine without hooking to th permissions system.
04:56:20 <hazmat> paje: seen k2pts
04:56:21 <paje> k2pts was last seen on #openacs 1 days, 3 hours, 5 minutes and 6 seconds ago, saying: have to head out [Sun Mar 17 18:53:15 2002]
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15:10:09 <talli> anybody home?
15:13:42 <davb> hi talli
15:14:16 <davb> * davb is dumb
15:27:22 <davb> paje, davb
15:27:23 <paje> you are sad that EA is discontinuing Majestic. Of course, I would be more sad if I had ever paid for it.
15:27:35 <davb> paje, davb
15:27:35 <paje> you are sad that EA is discontinuing Majestic. Of course, I would be more sad if I had ever paid for it.
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15:45:56 <docwolf> greetings
15:46:09 <davb> hi docwolf
15:46:11 <docwolf> anyone here know of a good 1U rackmount server for FreeBSD?
15:46:52 <davb> the penguincomputing ones look good, but I have never bought one.
15:47:08 <docwolf> thanks. talli recommends them.
15:47:24 <davb> the have a new 2 AMD processer 4 drive 1U unit.
15:52:56 <davb> their workstations are kinda expensive.
15:53:18 <docwolf> yeah
15:53:19 <docwolf> yikes
15:53:25 <docwolf> they are gouging.  :-(
15:54:24 <davb> yeah. I can get a p4 frm gateway for half of that.
16:11:51 <docwolf> dell seems like its OK
16:12:02 <docwolf> if only b/c they have 4 hour onsite service
16:42:15 <rbm> a dual p4?
16:43:26 <davb> no. (sorry, talking about the workstations)
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17:23:49 <rbm> davb: posted to your 404 thread
17:24:31 <davb> I like that idea.
17:25:24 <davb> could be set that up to capture the response code and serve the error page etc...?
17:33:01 <davb> I think U am not writing an acs-workflow based app for ETP 2 any time soon.
17:33:06 <davb> s/U/I
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17:50:28 <rbm> why?
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18:21:05 <talli> heeloooo?
18:23:48 <davb> hi
18:23:49 <paje> what's up, davb
18:24:09 <davb> rbm: so that all the different error pages can be templated. or am I missing something?
18:34:51 <davb> brb
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19:19:06 <davb> http://www.thinkcycle.org/home
19:19:06 <chump> A: http://www.thinkcycle.org/home from davb
19:19:17 <davb> http://www.spinfree.com/singlefile/
19:19:17 <chump> B: http://www.spinfree.com/singlefile/ from davb
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20:44:50 <talli> has anyone tried KDE3?
20:45:12 <talli> dinggee booobaa tee?
20:48:29 <til> * til just tries kde2 for the first time
20:49:47 <talli> til: do you have any C development experience?
20:50:00 <til> the kde windowmanager sucks. or i have misconfigured something ... when switching desktops/windows too fast it hangs so often, grr
20:50:13 <talli> hmm.. i haven't had that problem... yet
20:50:51 <til> talli: not really, unless all-forgotten amiga 500 hacking counts
20:51:41 <talli> no, i guess not
20:51:48 <talli> where's shagster?
20:56:15 <talli> anyone know some hotshit C hackers?
20:57:46 <davb> markd2
20:58:26 <davb> donb
20:58:50 <davb> :)
21:03:53 <talli> ah, right
21:03:57 <talli> markd2 is a C hacker
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23:06:56 <talli> anyone home this eve?
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23:10:03 <til> not yet, but i'll go home soon
23:10:13 <talli> til, what time is it there?
23:10:24 <til> did you find your c hacker? midnight
23:10:33 <talli> no, still looking
23:10:50 <talli> if you know any good C hackers that are interested in getting involved in a new project, send 'em my way
23:13:16 <til> aargh, every 2nd time i switch desktops in kde it behaves like the alt key was permanently pressed
23:14:04 <til> sorry, i need all my c hackers to fix kde first (c++, i know)
23:21:23 <talli> haha
23:21:32 <talli> they're not going to help you til!
23:24:21 <til> i'll threaten them that i switch to windows if this kde madness doesnt stop on my desktop
23:25:01 <til> and will promote c# from then on, for every imaginable task
23:26:02 <til> wanna test a html-only snake game?
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23:39:37 <talli> yo denshi
23:39:53 <denshi> howdy brooklyn cowboy
23:40:01 <talli> til, C# huh?
23:40:26 <talli> til, what the hell is that game?
23:40:33 <talli> denshi: what's doin'?
23:40:57 <denshi> ummm.... paying bills, writing RDF code.  you?
23:41:06 <talli> RDF? how come?
23:41:15 <talli> denshi: how's your C code?
23:41:38 <denshi> it's doing quite nicely, thank you.
23:41:59 <talli> why are you hacking RDF?
23:42:05 <rbm> oom
23:42:19 <denshi> some inter-site transfer stuff.
23:42:28 <denshi> it might come in handy in a month.
23:43:11 <talli> rbm: how's you C code?
23:44:31 <rbm> talli: My C is okay. 
23:44:47 <rbm> what project is this?
23:44:48 <talli> do you like coding C?
23:44:56 <talli> do you want to practice?
23:45:00 <talli> do you want to code more?
23:45:09 <talli> do you want to make free software HISTORY???
23:45:13 <denshi> talli, are you looking for a sucker?
23:45:26 <talli> i have an idea for this thing called a kernel (tm)
23:45:37 <rbm> I like C quite a bit.
23:52:16 <til> * til goes home
23:57:28 <talli> anybody wanna know why i'm looking for C hackers?
23:57:33 <talli> actually, it can be any kind of hacker
23:57:52 <denshi> I'm still listening.
23:57:56 <talli> but i'm figurin' that this might need more than just scripting
23:58:03 <denshi> don't know about anyone else, tho.
23:58:12 <talli> we'll, me and this mad scientist have an idea
23:58:46 <denshi> excellent...
23:58:51 <talli> and since our idea will result in a GPL project, and since no one reads this chatlog except for vinod, i think i'm safe in discussing it here
23:59:19 <talli> there is really no good solution out there for group calendaring in the free software world
23:59:40 <talli> everyone is shooting to take down the exchange+outlook combo by building a complete solutoin
23:59:57 <talli> so phpgroupware is building a calendar