IRC log of openacs on 2002-03-19

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00:05:02 [rbm]
davb: Have you seen my PostgreSQL Cookbook?
01:32:07 [davb]
rbm: <bad joke>no, where did you leave it last</bad joke>
01:32:18 [davb]
actualy. yes. its very useful. :)
01:57:42 [til]
anyone has a script for oracle handy that drops and recreates a tablespace (for an openacs reinstall)?
01:57:57 [davb]
I think so...
01:58:49 [til]
please, davb, please
02:00:26 [davb]
darn, I can't find it.
02:01:05 [til]
its only five commands or so, but copying and pasting from the install guide always makes me mad
02:01:27 [davb]
I know. I had one I thought... still looking
02:04:11 [davb]
sorry. I have not found it. I was just copy and pasting it myself :)
02:04:40 [til]
oh well
02:05:00 [til]
thanks anyway
02:05:41 [davb]
brb
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02:17:45 [til]
hmm, i just dropped (with cascade) and recreated the oracle user, now the data-model installation loops infinitely
02:19:50 [til]
maybe the tablespace has to be dropped too
02:20:21 [davb]
I always drop everything.
02:20:25 [davb]
brb again :)
02:20:26 [davb]
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02:33:11 [davb]
ok, so what does everyone use for printing?
02:36:35 [til]
i remember turboprint worked fine for some old canon printer
02:37:34 [til]
i never really understood the differences between lpd, lprng, cups etc.
02:37:59 [davb]
me neither. I have an okidata 6e. it almost works :)
02:38:32 [til]
i just do random apt-get install, apt-get remove until it works
02:38:42 [til]
what's almost?
02:38:53 [davb]
the light flashes, but it never prints.
02:40:43 [til]
have you tried different file types? .txt, .pdf etc?
02:40:50 [davb]
yes.
02:41:18 [til]
did you insert paper? ;-) sorry ...
02:41:25 [davb]
heh, yep
02:42:05 [davb]
I think I am doing tthe same thing wrong as before. I had it hooked up locally, then I put it on my wife's windows computer. I can connect via samba, but still the same results.
02:44:34 [til]
no idea about samba printing, never had to use it
02:45:15 [davb]
yeah. Well I'll figure it out one of these days. or pick up an epson c60 like RBM
02:47:15 [til]
now the oracle install worked ... what i thought to be an infinite loop before was propably just an-awful-lot-of-time
02:47:26 [davb]
ah. RAM helps.
02:48:36 [til]
have 256 ... more would be prohibitively expensive for this thinkpad. unfortunately
02:48:50 [davb]
yes, I suspect so.
02:49:42 [davb]
but 512 REALLY helps :)
02:50:43 [til]
i know ... sigh
02:51:28 [davb]
sorry :( I still use a desktop. My thinkpad has 40MB and is a P133
02:51:39 [davb]
with an 800MB harddrive.
02:52:48 [til]
good for everything except oracle ;)
02:53:08 [davb]
right.
02:54:20 [talli]
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02:59:32 [davb]
argh.
02:59:34 [davb]
has anyone build nsxml with xslt support on debian?
02:59:48 [davb]
It builds ok, but for some reason the commands are not created.
03:02:04 [til]
never used the xslt commands - is there any part of oacs that uses them btw?
03:02:14 [davb]
not yet :)
03:02:59 [davb]
argh
03:04:41 [davb]
I know I did this before and it worked.
03:05:00 [davb]
I am suspecting a problem with my version of libxslt or libxml2
03:05:22 [davb]
but unfortunately, it builds fine, and everything else seems to work.
03:05:45 [davb]
oops, wait.
03:05:59 [davb]
the commands are changed in the version I am using... hmmm
03:08:11 [til]
whoa, server error on openacs.org
03:08:20 [davb]
wow!
03:08:36 [til]
i was trying to submit a patch
03:09:39 [davb]
nope, that did not help.
03:09:45 [til]
what am i supposed to select under "release"? hmm, let's try 4.5b
03:10:12 [davb]
the sdm is a little broken. I never could create a release of ns_xmlrpc
03:11:07 [til]
do you know who i should bug with this? the almighty don himself maybe?
03:11:28 [davb]
yeah. or yell for rbm
03:11:31 [davb]
hey rbm!
03:11:32 [davb]
:)
03:13:35 [til]
hey, i can look in the openacs.org error log myself with my ssh account
03:13:44 [davb]
cool.
03:13:58 [davb]
now that is getting involved in an open source project!
03:14:12 [til]
:)
03:14:49 [til]
referential integrity violation - key referenced from sdm_package_patches not found in users
03:15:01 [til]
aargh - whats going on?
03:15:06 [davb]
weird.
03:17:58 [davb]
time for me to go. good luck
03:18:01 [davb]
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03:30:02 [til]
just for the record - everything is ok with openacs.org ... for some reason opera forgot my cookie in the middle of the session, that was the reason for the error
03:44:26 [rbm]
oom
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04:48:58 [talli]
paje, seen shagster
04:48:58 [paje]
shagster was last seen on #openacs 5 days, 1 hours, 30 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: Just the way BillG likes it [Wed Mar 13 20:20:28 2002]
04:52:43 [rbm]
paje: seen talli
04:52:44 [paje]
talli was last seen on #openacs 3 minutes and 45 seconds ago, saying: paje, seen shagster [Mon Mar 18 21:50:59 2002]
04:52:49 [rbm]
paje: seen paje
04:52:49 [paje]
I haven't seen 'paje', rbm
04:52:52 [talli]
hey rbm
04:52:55 [rbm]
paje: What?
04:52:56 [paje]
rbm: i haven't a clue
04:53:07 [talli]
paje, who's on first?
04:53:07 [paje]
talli: bugger all, i dunno
04:55:01 [rbm]
Darn it... I think I'll write this package of mine without hooking to th permissions system.
04:56:20 [hazmat]
paje: seen k2pts
04:56:21 [paje]
k2pts was last seen on #openacs 1 days, 3 hours, 5 minutes and 6 seconds ago, saying: have to head out [Sun Mar 17 18:53:15 2002]
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15:10:09 [talli]
anybody home?
15:13:42 [davb]
hi talli
15:14:16 [davb]
* davb is dumb
15:27:22 [davb]
paje, davb
15:27:23 [paje]
you are sad that EA is discontinuing Majestic. Of course, I would be more sad if I had ever paid for it.
15:27:35 [davb]
paje, davb
15:27:35 [paje]
you are sad that EA is discontinuing Majestic. Of course, I would be more sad if I had ever paid for it.
15:45:34 [docwolf]
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15:45:56 [docwolf]
greetings
15:46:09 [davb]
hi docwolf
15:46:11 [docwolf]
anyone here know of a good 1U rackmount server for FreeBSD?
15:46:52 [davb]
the penguincomputing ones look good, but I have never bought one.
15:47:08 [docwolf]
thanks. talli recommends them.
15:47:24 [davb]
the have a new 2 AMD processer 4 drive 1U unit.
15:52:56 [davb]
their workstations are kinda expensive.
15:53:18 [docwolf]
yeah
15:53:19 [docwolf]
yikes
15:53:25 [docwolf]
they are gouging. :-(
15:54:24 [davb]
yeah. I can get a p4 frm gateway for half of that.
16:11:51 [docwolf]
dell seems like its OK
16:12:02 [docwolf]
if only b/c they have 4 hour onsite service
16:42:15 [rbm]
a dual p4?
16:43:26 [davb]
no. (sorry, talking about the workstations)
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17:23:49 [rbm]
davb: posted to your 404 thread
17:24:31 [davb]
I like that idea.
17:25:24 [davb]
could be set that up to capture the response code and serve the error page etc...?
17:33:01 [davb]
I think U am not writing an acs-workflow based app for ETP 2 any time soon.
17:33:06 [davb]
s/U/I
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17:50:28 [rbm]
why?
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18:21:05 [talli]
heeloooo?
18:23:48 [davb]
hi
18:23:49 [paje]
what's up, davb
18:24:09 [davb]
rbm: so that all the different error pages can be templated. or am I missing something?
18:34:51 [davb]
brb
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19:19:06 [davb]
http://www.thinkcycle.org/home
19:19:06 [chump]
A: http://www.thinkcycle.org/home from davb
19:19:17 [davb]
http://www.spinfree.com/singlefile/
19:19:17 [chump]
B: http://www.spinfree.com/singlefile/ from davb
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20:44:50 [talli]
has anyone tried KDE3?
20:45:12 [talli]
dinggee booobaa tee?
20:48:29 [til]
* til just tries kde2 for the first time
20:49:47 [talli]
til: do you have any C development experience?
20:50:00 [til]
the kde windowmanager sucks. or i have misconfigured something ... when switching desktops/windows too fast it hangs so often, grr
20:50:13 [talli]
hmm.. i haven't had that problem... yet
20:50:51 [til]
talli: not really, unless all-forgotten amiga 500 hacking counts
20:51:41 [talli]
no, i guess not
20:51:48 [talli]
where's shagster?
20:56:15 [talli]
anyone know some hotshit C hackers?
20:57:46 [davb]
markd2
20:58:26 [davb]
donb
20:58:50 [davb]
:)
21:03:53 [talli]
ah, right
21:03:57 [talli]
markd2 is a C hacker
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23:06:56 [talli]
anyone home this eve?
23:07:23 [dlk]
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23:10:03 [til]
not yet, but i'll go home soon
23:10:13 [talli]
til, what time is it there?
23:10:24 [til]
did you find your c hacker? midnight
23:10:33 [talli]
no, still looking
23:10:50 [talli]
if you know any good C hackers that are interested in getting involved in a new project, send 'em my way
23:13:16 [til]
aargh, every 2nd time i switch desktops in kde it behaves like the alt key was permanently pressed
23:14:04 [til]
sorry, i need all my c hackers to fix kde first (c++, i know)
23:21:23 [talli]
haha
23:21:32 [talli]
they're not going to help you til!
23:24:21 [til]
i'll threaten them that i switch to windows if this kde madness doesnt stop on my desktop
23:25:01 [til]
and will promote c# from then on, for every imaginable task
23:26:02 [til]
wanna test a html-only snake game?
23:29:07 [denshi]
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23:39:37 [talli]
yo denshi
23:39:53 [denshi]
howdy brooklyn cowboy
23:40:01 [talli]
til, C# huh?
23:40:26 [talli]
til, what the hell is that game?
23:40:33 [talli]
denshi: what's doin'?
23:40:57 [denshi]
ummm.... paying bills, writing RDF code. you?
23:41:06 [talli]
RDF? how come?
23:41:15 [talli]
denshi: how's your C code?
23:41:38 [denshi]
it's doing quite nicely, thank you.
23:41:59 [talli]
why are you hacking RDF?
23:42:05 [rbm]
oom
23:42:19 [denshi]
some inter-site transfer stuff.
23:42:28 [denshi]
it might come in handy in a month.
23:43:11 [talli]
rbm: how's you C code?
23:44:31 [rbm]
talli: My C is okay.
23:44:47 [rbm]
what project is this?
23:44:48 [talli]
do you like coding C?
23:44:56 [talli]
do you want to practice?
23:45:00 [talli]
do you want to code more?
23:45:09 [talli]
do you want to make free software HISTORY???
23:45:13 [denshi]
talli, are you looking for a sucker?
23:45:26 [talli]
i have an idea for this thing called a kernel (tm)
23:45:37 [rbm]
I like C quite a bit.
23:52:16 [til]
* til goes home
23:57:28 [talli]
anybody wanna know why i'm looking for C hackers?
23:57:33 [talli]
actually, it can be any kind of hacker
23:57:52 [denshi]
I'm still listening.
23:57:56 [talli]
but i'm figurin' that this might need more than just scripting
23:58:03 [denshi]
don't know about anyone else, tho.
23:58:12 [talli]
we'll, me and this mad scientist have an idea
23:58:46 [denshi]
excellent...
23:58:51 [talli]
and since our idea will result in a GPL project, and since no one reads this chatlog except for vinod, i think i'm safe in discussing it here
23:59:19 [talli]
there is really no good solution out there for group calendaring in the free software world
23:59:40 [talli]
everyone is shooting to take down the exchange+outlook combo by building a complete solutoin
23:59:57 [talli]
so phpgroupware is building a calendar