00:00:50 np 00:00:52 no 00:01:19 but ex-aD people are incredibly immature and annoying when given a forum to scream their perverted world view 00:01:29 like... the hmasing guy who posted there 00:01:35 I think they got it out of their system on FC. 00:01:42 then again, i guess you can say that about everyone at /. 00:01:43 that thing went up to like 40 pages. 00:01:43 wanna bet? 00:02:04 anywhere that philg has left his mark will bitch about him forever 00:02:22 that is, if a place can bitch 00:02:29 paje, can a place bitch? 00:02:29 i haven't a clue, talli 00:02:35 paje, who's denshi? 00:02:35 i heard denshi was a pirate of the southern narbluan sea of the east farties 00:02:46 oh, that's right 00:02:52 paje, forget talli 00:02:52 talli: I forgot talli 00:03:00 place can bitch. 00:03:08 paje, place? 00:03:08 wish i knew, denshi 00:03:17 talli is the commander of the virtuous fleet that will save the good merchants of the eart farties 00:03:20 only works with is... 00:03:34 paje forget talli 00:03:34 talli: I forgot talli 00:03:42 talli is the commander of the virtuous fleet that will save the good merchants of the eart farties from the pirate denshi 00:03:43 * denshi takes away talli's acid tabs. 00:03:52 paje, who is talli? 00:03:52 i heard talli was the commander of the virtuous fleet that will save the good merchants of the eart farties from the pirate denshi 00:03:59 paje: forget talli 00:03:59 denshi: I forgot talli 00:04:03 talli are legion 00:04:08 paje, who is talli? 00:04:09 i haven't a clue, denshi 00:04:11 damn that pirate denshi! 00:04:12 hmmm... 00:04:19 talli is the commander of the virtuous fleet that will save the good merchants of the eart farties from the pirate denshi 00:04:25 oh shit 00:05:41 what now? 00:05:51 i gotta get to the airport soon 00:12:48 run talli, run! 00:12:52 paje: again! 00:12:53 * paje spanks talli 00:13:02 i love that 00:14:40 paje: again! 00:14:40 * paje spanks talli 00:14:46 paje: botsnack 00:14:46 :) 00:24:36 later, gentle bots. 00:24:39 denshi has quit () 00:24:55 talli has left #openacs 00:34:39 Jody Botley? 00:59:17 paje: time? 00:59:18 Wed Mar 13 18:01:18 2002 00:59:23 paje: good boy 00:59:24 thanks rbm :) 01:00:05 <^o-o^> ^o-o^ (~rolf@adsl-34-74-51.mia.bellsouth.net) has joined #openacs 01:00:23 <^o-o^> ^o-o^ has quit (Client Quit) 01:08:09 * rbm goes home 01:32:15 * davb lost his cellular phone :( 01:32:31 although I am sure its in the house here somewhere :) 01:37:35 heh :) call your phone number :) 01:39:13 excellent idea. 01:40:03 I was supposed to meet with the top secret client, but as usual he probably called 5 mins before it was supposed to start to let me know he'll be late. After an hour I went home. I am sure I have a voicemail if I can ever find the phone :) 01:41:10 davb: has he given you money in advance of your doing something? 01:47:05 davb: also, at this point if you're getting paid, and it's less often than once a week, I'd renegotiate the deal so you bill for the previous week's hours and get the check cut then and there... plus, meeting times not cancelled 48 hours in advance is billable time 01:47:56 davb: from only what you've said now, he's a repeat pattern flake 01:48:10 yeah. good idea. this is a little more informal as he doesn't have any money quite yet :) 01:48:20 umm :) 01:48:22 so I am not committing too much to this project. 01:48:34 you tread in dangerous waters :) 01:48:48 yeah, I know. But I don't have any other projects anyway. 01:49:00 unless you like the project and are willing to give to it 01:49:57 It is a cool project. I basically will end up doing a demo site, which is no problem, I can use the experience anyway. If he doesn't get investors, thats it. if he does, hopefully it will finance some nice work back to openacs. 01:52:53 I should probably volunteer for this instead: http://www.netaid.org 01:54:36 hmm, that seems huge 01:59:37 there are alot of positions. not as many programming related, but still any experience is valuable. I just feel too old for this :) 02:00:18 I wish I had discovered the internet and the web about 10 years ago. 02:02:15 davb has changed the topic to: OpenACS: 4.5 Beta available: http://openacs.org 02:03:01 is talli around? 02:03:39 ah, nope. 02:03:43 paje: seen talli 02:03:43 talli was last seen on #openacs 1 hours, 50 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying: i love that [Wed Mar 13 17:15:03 2002] 02:05:35 I am sad that EA is discontinuing Majestic. Of course, I would be more sad if I had ever paid for it. 02:08:06 docwolf has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:13:18 davb has quit (Remote closed the connection) 02:14:53 davb (dave@24.58.162.46) has joined #openacs 02:22:18 anyone know of good resources for XSL/T? 02:32:12 http://www.topxml.com/xsl/xsltref.asp 02:32:12 A: http://www.topxml.com/xsl/xsltref.asp from davb 02:32:22 A:|XSL Reference 02:32:22 titled item A 02:32:33 A: topxml includes more XML resources also 02:32:34 commented item A 02:44:02 http://radio.weblogs.com/0100812/2002/03/13.html#a340 02:44:02 B: http://radio.weblogs.com/0100812/2002/03/13.html#a340 from davb 02:44:27 B:|Patrick Logan on keeping it simple 02:44:27 titled item B 03:03:13 argh! 03:03:34 I missed the computer club board meeting tonight. 03:05:45 Shame on you...and you call yourself a geek 03:06:06 heh. I emailed the guy a little while ago, to see when the next meeting was. 03:06:14 and he said, oh you just missed it. 03:06:58 Well, we'll let this one slide...this time... 03:07:24 heh 03:08:01 f*ck do I hate redhat, time to re-load 03:09:01 ack, sounds like windows :) 03:09:16 Today we installed an XP machine. evil. 03:12:05 Well, might as well load Solaris 8 on this box then :) 03:12:18 good luck. 03:12:28 Need to test AOLserver 3.4.2 on Slowaris anywho 03:13:02 Actually this is an older Compaq box, I bet it loads easy (well, easy for Solaris) 03:15:39 nifty. 03:15:58 XP is user friendly enough to make it impossible to get inside if you need to. 03:18:27 Just the way BillG likes it 03:21:21 rafa_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:22:20 woohoo! I used the chump log search and I found what I was looking for! 03:51:20 flash kills mozilla 0.9.8 on linux 04:01:54 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 04:02:30 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 04:02:38 oops 04:04:10 ola 04:19:13 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 06:53:54 dlk (dlk@walter.ita.chalmers.se) has joined #openacs 07:09:04 [ServerNotice] Good morning. If you are receiving this message, you are on a server that will be going down for maintence in a number of hours. It will return to operation shortly afterwards. To minimize your inconvenience, please /server irc.openprojects.net to move to server that will be unaffected. Thank you for using the Open Projects Network. This message will repeat. 07:46:08 dullk (dlk@walter.ita.chalmers.se) has joined #openacs 07:47:06 dlk has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 08:26:45 dullk is now known as dlk 10:03:26 talli (~talli@dsl092-013-011.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #openacs 10:25:37 jim has quit (Remote closed the connection) 11:44:07 dlk has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:56:06 tontsa (tontsa@cyclone.neutech.fi) has joined #openacs 11:56:32 just a very simple faq(which is couldn't find anywhere). does OpenACS and AD CMS play together? 12:02:12 talli has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:16:12 dlk (dlk@walter.ita.chalmers.se) has joined #openacs 12:25:24 markd2 (~Snak@r-41.9.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 12:36:37 dullk (dlk@walter.ita.chalmers.se) has joined #openacs 12:40:10 dullk has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:53:08 dlk has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:18:48 k2pts (~nkd@213.149.180.151) has joined #openacs 13:19:00 good afternoon 13:19:05 hey markd2 13:19:22 all Cyprus is sad today 13:19:29 ut oh 13:19:31 what happened? 13:19:49 our former president died at age 69 13:20:12 :-( 13:20:22 he was president for two times and minister of the office long before taht 13:20:33 s/office/foreign office 13:21:14 http://www.cypria.com/ 13:21:14 C: http://www.cypria.com/ from k2pts 13:21:22 three days of mourning 13:24:49 paje: seen davb? 13:24:50 davb was last seen on #openacs 9 hours, 22 minutes and 12 seconds ago, saying: oops [Wed Mar 13 21:04:39 2002] 13:25:04 paje: seen hazmat? 13:25:05 hazmat was last seen on #openacs 9 hours, 20 minutes and 54 seconds ago, saying: ola [Wed Mar 13 21:06:12 2002] 13:26:27 markd2: what's the word on Redhat's announcement to continue ACSJ? 13:27:52 all I know right now is what's in that press release / faq thing 13:38:51 davb (~dave@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 13:39:07 hey davb 13:39:08 hi k2pts 13:39:09 got your message 13:39:09 and then I said to davb, get off that goat... oh. hi davb 13:39:16 ok 13:39:21 hi markd2 :) 13:40:14 davb: I mentioned something about those problems with the xsl stylesheets I have sent you 13:40:22 in our discussions 13:40:38 I suppose you didn't observe any problems with 10-to-xhtml 13:40:43 right. I am sure you did. I couldn't find them though. 13:40:50 but the rest did have problems like those you've sent me 13:41:04 k2pts: yes that one too, because it referred to an Xhtmljava something or other in the method. 13:41:26 those stylesheets were extracted from a java package, that's why there are references to java methods 13:41:37 tontsa: the CMS from ACS Tcl 4 is in OpenACS 4 also. 13:41:55 how's it going so far (I mean the stylesheets)? 13:42:00 ok. so with those changes everything should be ok. They must have been specific to the parser. 13:42:12 It looks pretty good now. after I made those little changes. 13:42:22 although I didn't try it with nsxml yet :) 13:42:29 have you made it, to convert 0.91 to xhtml? 13:42:35 but it should be the same. xsltproc uses libxml2 also. 13:42:37 yes. 13:42:40 no. 13:42:42 :) 13:42:58 I didn';t try that. it required two passes right? 13:43:04 I mean, have you applied rss0.91-10.xsl and then 10-to-xhtml and work? 13:43:08 yes 13:43:12 let me try it. 13:43:35 10-to-xhtml works ok...I have tried that...I don't remember being succesfull with the two passes 13:44:27 what's a Leprechaun? 13:44:50 It's an irish mythical being 13:44:59 little men wearing green, and difficult to catch 13:45:11 if you catch one, it'll show you the pot of gold it keeps at the base of a rainbow 13:45:18 what that has to do with IRS (taxes right?) and openacs? 13:45:24 k2pts: it looks ok, but if there is HTML inside the descriptions, it is espaced so you can see the code. 13:45:46 could you send me a tarball with the changes. I want to try it 13:45:53 ok. 13:46:06 k2pts - not sure. what's the context? 13:46:11 I might put some time on it today...but I'm already behind schedule with the persistence stuff 13:46:19 http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0004JD&topic_id=12&topic=OpenACS%204%2e0%20Design 13:46:19 D: http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0004JD&topic_id=12&topic=OpenACS%204%2e0%20Design from k2pts 13:46:49 heh 13:47:23 sent 13:47:36 thx 13:47:38 I guess that since Saint Patrick's Day (an excuse to drink beer, wear green, and dispaly Leprechauns) is so close (sunday), that the little buggers will infest the oacs code 13:47:40 Talli is being talli 13:47:50 heh 13:48:07 I'm sure he's a Darf Leprechaun Pimp 13:48:14 :) 13:48:16 the tax rates may be different if you Pimp regular-sized Leprechauns vs the smaller ones 13:48:24 where's he btw? it's been a while since we last chat? 13:48:29 or maybe he Pimps Giant Leprechauns 13:48:33 paje, seen talli? 13:48:33 talli was last seen on #openacs 13 hours, 35 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: i love that [Wed Mar 13 17:15:03 2002] 13:48:46 talli is also | a Leprechaun pimp 13:48:46 okay, markd2. 13:48:50 literal talli 13:48:50 markd2: talli =is= the commander of the virtuous fleet that will save the good merchants of the eart farties from the pirate denshi|a Leprechaun pimp 13:49:00 heh 13:49:21 markd2 is also | the botmaster 13:49:22 okay, davb. 13:50:11 paje: who is markd2? 13:50:12 i heard markd2 was a dork 13:50:27 wow. that's quite accurate 13:50:35 paje: who is k2pts? 13:50:36 well, k2pts is Neophytos Demetriou, one of the minds behind OpenACS-Search and other nifty stuff. 13:50:54 paje: who is davb? 13:50:54 well, davb is sad that EA is discontinuing Majestic. Of course, I would be more sad if I had ever paid for it. 13:51:05 ack 13:51:08 paje, you should pay for games! 13:51:08 markd2: huh? 13:51:15 literal davb 13:51:15 markd2: davb =is= sad that EA is discontinuing Majestic. Of course, I would be more sad if I had ever paid for it. 13:51:32 You get a sample for free, I never continued it, but it was very immersive. 13:51:37 (is that a word?) 13:51:43 yep 13:52:24 they match, the account is activated. 13:52:28 argh 13:52:29 davb: where's the example script that you used for the two passes? 13:52:54 that is the finished product. you want the xml I used to start with? 13:53:04 I didn't use a script, just xsltproc. 13:53:35 what's the command for xsltproc? 13:53:48 I'm being lazy :) 13:53:58 that is it. if you haven;t installed it, you probably need to get it. 13:54:07 no, I have it 13:54:10 ok. 13:54:12 I just didn't check the options 13:54:14 :) 13:54:27 oh like this. xsltproc stylesheet xmlfile > outputfile 13:55:31 davb: you have sent me the unchanged xsl, I think 13:55:34 compilation error: file rss09-to-10.xsl line 35 element stylesheet 13:55:34 xsl:version is missing: document may not be a stylesheet 13:55:34 runtime error: file /home/nkd/net/slashdot.rss 13:55:34 xsltApplyStylesheetInternal: unsupported method RSSOutputHandler 13:55:34 no result for /home/nkd/net/slashdot.rss 13:55:58 oh, I used rss091, i forget to fix that one. sorry. 13:56:04 nm 13:56:12 I'll try it with 091 13:57:21 http://www.digitalconsumer.org/ 13:57:21 E: http://www.digitalconsumer.org/ from davb 13:57:33 E:|Protecting fair-use rights in the digital world 13:57:33 titled item E 13:59:21 E: includes the [Consumer Technology Bill of Rights|http://www.digitalconsumer.org/bill.html] they are proposing 13:59:21 commented item E 14:00:08 davb: looks good. I'll try to put some time on it today and sent you something later on, so that you can take it from there. does that sound good? 14:00:11 markd2 has quit ("wheeeee") 14:00:36 sure, that sounds good. I should have some time to work on it this week. along with testing the beta. 14:01:38 I took rocael's chat backport and used it under 4.x...nothing sophisticated though 14:02:15 chat that is...rocael is going to work on a 4.x port 14:02:56 bad thing with the chat applet is that it doesn't scroll, and you can't cut and paste, and you can't display images as it is 14:03:05 I mean the aD chat applet 14:04:05 anyway, I'm going to head out and do some work, we talk later 14:04:10 bye. 14:04:12 k2pts has left #openacs 14:28:08 weird. On two mailing lists I am on, they are having the static/dynamic discussion, but neither one has had anyone mention personalization as a reason for having at least part of the page be dynamic. 14:48:14 k2pts (~nkd@213.149.180.151) has joined #openacs 14:49:20 k2pts has left #openacs 14:55:08 Grax (~grax@ip68-13-3-74.om.om.cox.net) has joined #openacs 14:55:16 Grax is now known as dwalker 15:21:10 k2pts (~nkd@213.149.180.151) has joined #openacs 15:21:17 paje: test 15:21:17 k2pts: what? 15:21:23 k2pts has left #openacs 15:30:28 talli (~talli@dsl092-013-011.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #openacs 15:32:51 hi talli 15:38:48 hey davb 16:02:31 oom 16:15:15 yo rbm 16:17:35 yo yo, wassup? What's the word on the street? 16:25:50 yippee! 16:25:59 I got my ide cd recorder working in linux again! 16:35:29 excellent 16:35:30 talli has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:35:31 IDE? 16:38:27 yes. 16:38:31 works great. 16:39:03 I had to coax the ide-scsi drivers into working so it looks like a scsi drive. 16:46:34 anyone know where I can read a username that is passed in the url? i.e. user@www.vorteon.com 16:46:43 davb: Yeah.\ 16:53:59 dwalker: I am not sure what you are asking. How to read form variables? 16:54:54 in a url like http://dwalker@www.vorteon.com dwalker is the username 16:56:59 Is that a legal URL? 16:57:08 yes 16:57:35 so you just need a reqexp to get the username part out? 16:57:37 And what uses that? 16:58:23 davb: where do I read the full requested url? 16:58:26 http://www.microsoft.com.jfasiojelska23489asfn3-2gad@www.vorteon.com/ 16:58:27 F: http://www.microsoft.com.jfasiojelska23489asfn3-2gad@www.vorteon.com/ from dwalker 16:58:49 I've seen that format as a trick 16:58:55 dwalker: in AOLserver? in OpenACS? 16:59:10 AOLserver has ns_conn, OpenACS has ad_conn 16:59:44 (OpenACS 4.5 that is) 17:00:22 [ns_conn url] only returns the url to the right of the domain name 17:02:48 [ns_conn location] dumps the username piece of the url 17:03:19 http://www.aolserver.com/docs/devel/tcl/api/conn.html#ns_conn 17:03:20 G: http://www.aolserver.com/docs/devel/tcl/api/conn.html#ns_conn from rbm 17:04:06 [ns_conn authuser] is empty unless the user really is accepted using nsperm 17:04:48 markd2 (~Snak@r-41.23.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 17:08:21 So is this pure AOLserver? No OpenACS? You didn't answer earlier 17:08:33 openacs 3.2.5 17:08:34 it might not be available to the Tcl API. 17:09:14 so you would use that to pass an HTTP username for authentication? 17:09:24 yes 17:09:28 how about [ns_conn host] and then some regexp? 17:11:29 time for lunch 17:11:36 If that doesn't work, then it's very likely that you can get it out of [ns_conn headers] 17:12:45 it isn't in [ns_conn headers] I checked there 17:12:55 I don't think it is in ns_conn host either 17:13:00 hmmm, then I'm out of ideas. 17:13:10 but for some reason ns_conn host is empty in my test code 17:13:23 Can't you just make a form for users to fill out? 17:14:05 I want to cheat and use sitename@mysslsite.com for using a single ssl cert for multiple domains 17:14:36 denshi (~chatzilla@adsl-216-62-223-193.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) has joined #openacs 17:14:37 I'll figure it out. I might have to modify aolserver though 17:15:13 hmm, that's what I was thinking. Writing an AOLserver C module that will just take the URL as it comes in and return it via Tcl should be pretty easy. 17:16:23 yea. either that or an auth module that always returns true so the [ns_conn authuser] works 17:21:04 hi denshi 17:21:11 hey 17:33:18 markd2 is now known as Carmina-Bananna 17:33:24 Carmina-Bananna is now known as markd2 17:37:09 [ServerNotice] Good afternoon. If you are seeing this message, you are on a server that's going down for maintenence in 1 hour. It will come back up shortly thereafter. To minimize your inconvenience, please /server irc.openprojects.net to connect to an unaffected server. Thank you for using the Open Projects Network. 17:42:45 talli (~talli@188.muka.lasv.snfccafj.dsl.att.net) has joined #openacs 17:55:15 hey talli 18:04:23 talli? 18:04:23 i think talli is a Leprechaun pimp 18:04:28 paje, talli? 18:04:28 talli is the commander of the virtuous fleet that will save the good merchants of the eart farties from the pirate denshi 18:08:23 paje, forget talli 18:08:23 denshi: I forgot talli 18:08:46 but talli *is* a Leprechaun pimp! 18:08:46 talli is the slayer of innocent domo-kuns the world over. 18:09:21 has he no shame? 18:10:17 talli is also | cries out "pimp, talli, pimp!" 18:10:17 okay, denshi. 18:11:07 literal talli 18:11:07 markd2: talli =is= the slayer of innocent domo-kuns the world over.| cries out "pimp, talli, pimp!" 18:11:14 [ServerNotice] Good afternoon. If you are seeing this message, you are on a server that's going down for maintenence in 30 minutes. It will come back up shortly thereafter. To minimize your inconvenience, please /server irc.openprojects.net to connect to an unaffected server. Thank you for using the Open Projects Network. 18:11:30 can paje handle plurals? 18:11:42 plurals? 18:13:26 talli has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:13:30 has anyone seen the mozbot? I was wondering how it compares to infobot. 18:18:59 a rolling stone gathers no moz 18:22:03 talli (~talli@188.muka.lasv.snfccafj.dsl.att.net) has joined #openacs 18:22:21 wow infobots can talk to each other. 18:22:49 * talli the bot refuses to speak to any of the other infobots 18:23:28 * talli the bot asks that davb kindly calls paje a jerk and that talli the bot is still angry about last night. and i will be until he apologizes 18:24:17 I hope paje used protection 18:25:17 darn, dave winer has invaded another mailing list. 18:25:25 looks like I'll have to unsubscribe. 18:25:53 heh 18:25:59 bush just said the advancement of free markets and democracy have brought wealth to an ever-increasing circle of the world 18:26:03 i missed that one 18:26:18 ciao ciao ciao 18:27:10 that means that the wealthy circle are gaining weight 18:27:26 some guys were going along working without him, and he hijacked the work and released his own competing spec. 18:29:14 I do have to give him credit though, when he puts out a spec there is working code to demonstrate it. 18:31:03 [ServerNotice] Good afternoon. 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Thank you for using the Open Projects Network. 18:45:30 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (Connection reset by peer) 18:46:30 loggy (~openacs-l@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #openacs 18:46:30 topic is: OpenACS: 4.5 Beta available: http://openacs.org 18:46:30 Users on #openacs: loggy rbm talli denshi markd2 dwalker davb tontsa shagster andyn til paje hazmat chump djg 18:46:31 [#OpenACS] This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 18:47:39 talli has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:49:04 andyn has quit (Remote closed the connection) 18:54:41 andyn (~andy@12-254-190-230.client.attbi.com) has joined #openacs 18:55:19 dwalker has quit ("http://www.grax.com") 19:12:47 rbm has changed the topic to: OpenACS: 4.5 Beta available: http://openacs.org/ 19:13:02 Note the missing "/" which made the URL illegal :-P 19:17:16 http:/openacs.org/ 19:17:52 * denshi still thinks nsd should transform that invisibly. 19:19:45 would the internal redirect work for that? 19:28:08 anyone know of a way to send messages to Win clients over Samba from Linux? 19:29:04 rbm: what kind of messages? 19:29:13 winpopup-style messages 19:29:23 hmmm.... 19:29:32 like you can from win2k 19:31:12 google is your friend... just found linpopup on google :) 19:33:56 I'm trying to find a link I had last year to a page of webcam screenshots taken when hacked win clients present pop-up messages to unsuspecting users. It's priceless. 19:41:18 how does apache handle that? 19:43:30 hmmm, can't get linpopup to work 19:44:03 how does apache handle Winpopup messages? I don't think it does. 20:02:42 no the redirect thing :) 20:05:03