IRC log of openacs on 2002-03-14

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00:00:50 [talli]
np
00:00:52 [talli]
no
00:01:19 [talli]
but ex-aD people are incredibly immature and annoying when given a forum to scream their perverted world view
00:01:29 [talli]
like... the hmasing guy who posted there
00:01:35 [denshi]
I think they got it out of their system on FC.
00:01:42 [talli]
then again, i guess you can say that about everyone at /.
00:01:43 [denshi]
that thing went up to like 40 pages.
00:01:43 [talli]
wanna bet?
00:02:04 [talli]
anywhere that philg has left his mark will bitch about him forever
00:02:22 [talli]
that is, if a place can bitch
00:02:29 [talli]
paje, can a place bitch?
00:02:29 [paje]
i haven't a clue, talli
00:02:35 [talli]
paje, who's denshi?
00:02:35 [paje]
i heard denshi was a pirate of the southern narbluan sea of the east farties
00:02:46 [talli]
oh, that's right
00:02:52 [talli]
paje, forget talli
00:02:52 [paje]
talli: I forgot talli
00:03:00 [denshi]
place can bitch.
00:03:08 [denshi]
paje, place?
00:03:08 [paje]
wish i knew, denshi
00:03:17 [talli]
talli is the commander of the virtuous fleet that will save the good merchants of the eart farties
00:03:20 [denshi]
only works with is...
00:03:34 [talli]
paje forget talli
00:03:34 [paje]
talli: I forgot talli
00:03:42 [talli]
talli is the commander of the virtuous fleet that will save the good merchants of the eart farties from the pirate denshi
00:03:43 [denshi]
* denshi takes away talli's acid tabs.
00:03:52 [talli]
paje, who is talli?
00:03:52 [paje]
i heard talli was the commander of the virtuous fleet that will save the good merchants of the eart farties from the pirate denshi
00:03:59 [denshi]
paje: forget talli
00:03:59 [paje]
denshi: I forgot talli
00:04:03 [denshi]
talli are legion
00:04:08 [denshi]
paje, who is talli?
00:04:09 [paje]
i haven't a clue, denshi
00:04:11 [talli]
damn that pirate denshi!
00:04:12 [denshi]
hmmm...
00:04:19 [talli]
talli is the commander of the virtuous fleet that will save the good merchants of the eart farties from the pirate denshi
00:04:25 [talli]
oh shit
00:05:41 [denshi]
what now?
00:05:51 [talli]
i gotta get to the airport soon
00:12:48 [rbm]
run talli, run!
00:12:52 [rbm]
paje: again!
00:12:53 [paje]
* paje spanks talli
00:13:02 [talli]
i love that
00:14:40 [denshi]
paje: again!
00:14:40 [paje]
* paje spanks talli
00:14:46 [denshi]
paje: botsnack
00:14:46 [paje]
:)
00:24:36 [denshi]
later, gentle bots.
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00:34:39 [jim]
Jody Botley?
00:59:17 [rbm]
paje: time?
00:59:18 [paje]
Wed Mar 13 18:01:18 2002
00:59:23 [rbm]
paje: good boy
00:59:24 [paje]
thanks rbm :)
01:00:05 [^o-o^]
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01:08:09 [rbm]
* rbm goes home
01:32:15 [davb]
* davb lost his cellular phone :(
01:32:31 [davb]
although I am sure its in the house here somewhere :)
01:37:35 [jim]
heh :) call your phone number :)
01:39:13 [davb]
excellent idea.
01:40:03 [davb]
I was supposed to meet with the top secret client, but as usual he probably called 5 mins before it was supposed to start to let me know he'll be late. After an hour I went home. I am sure I have a voicemail if I can ever find the phone :)
01:41:10 [jim]
davb: has he given you money in advance of your doing something?
01:47:05 [jim]
davb: also, at this point if you're getting paid, and it's less often than once a week, I'd renegotiate the deal so you bill for the previous week's hours and get the check cut then and there... plus, meeting times not cancelled 48 hours in advance is billable time
01:47:56 [jim]
davb: from only what you've said now, he's a repeat pattern flake
01:48:10 [davb]
yeah. good idea. this is a little more informal as he doesn't have any money quite yet :)
01:48:20 [jim]
umm :)
01:48:22 [davb]
so I am not committing too much to this project.
01:48:34 [jim]
you tread in dangerous waters :)
01:48:48 [davb]
yeah, I know. But I don't have any other projects anyway.
01:49:00 [jim]
unless you like the project and are willing to give to it
01:49:57 [davb]
It is a cool project. I basically will end up doing a demo site, which is no problem, I can use the experience anyway. If he doesn't get investors, thats it. if he does, hopefully it will finance some nice work back to openacs.
01:52:53 [davb]
I should probably volunteer for this instead: http://www.netaid.org
01:54:36 [jim]
hmm, that seems huge
01:59:37 [davb]
there are alot of positions. not as many programming related, but still any experience is valuable. I just feel too old for this :)
02:00:18 [davb]
I wish I had discovered the internet and the web about 10 years ago.
02:02:15 [davb]
davb has changed the topic to: OpenACS: 4.5 Beta available: http://openacs.org
02:03:01 [davb]
is talli around?
02:03:39 [davb]
ah, nope.
02:03:43 [davb]
paje: seen talli
02:03:43 [paje]
talli was last seen on #openacs 1 hours, 50 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying: i love that [Wed Mar 13 17:15:03 2002]
02:05:35 [davb]
I am sad that EA is discontinuing Majestic. Of course, I would be more sad if I had ever paid for it.
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02:22:18 [davb]
anyone know of good resources for XSL/T?
02:32:12 [davb]
http://www.topxml.com/xsl/xsltref.asp
02:32:12 [chump]
A: http://www.topxml.com/xsl/xsltref.asp from davb
02:32:22 [davb]
A:|XSL Reference
02:32:22 [chump]
titled item A
02:32:33 [davb]
A: topxml includes more XML resources also
02:32:34 [chump]
commented item A
02:44:02 [davb]
http://radio.weblogs.com/0100812/2002/03/13.html#a340
02:44:02 [chump]
B: http://radio.weblogs.com/0100812/2002/03/13.html#a340 from davb
02:44:27 [davb]
B:|Patrick Logan on keeping it simple
02:44:27 [chump]
titled item B
03:03:13 [davb]
argh!
03:03:34 [davb]
I missed the computer club board meeting tonight.
03:05:45 [shagster]
Shame on you...and you call yourself a geek
03:06:06 [davb]
heh. I emailed the guy a little while ago, to see when the next meeting was.
03:06:14 [davb]
and he said, oh you just missed it.
03:06:58 [shagster]
Well, we'll let this one slide...this time...
03:07:24 [davb]
heh
03:08:01 [shagster]
f*ck do I hate redhat, time to re-load
03:09:01 [davb]
ack, sounds like windows :)
03:09:16 [davb]
Today we installed an XP machine. evil.
03:12:05 [shagster]
Well, might as well load Solaris 8 on this box then :)
03:12:18 [davb]
good luck.
03:12:28 [shagster]
Need to test AOLserver 3.4.2 on Slowaris anywho
03:13:02 [shagster]
Actually this is an older Compaq box, I bet it loads easy (well, easy for Solaris)
03:15:39 [davb]
nifty.
03:15:58 [davb]
XP is user friendly enough to make it impossible to get inside if you need to.
03:18:27 [shagster]
Just the way BillG likes it
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03:22:20 [davb]
woohoo! I used the chump log search and I found what I was looking for!
03:51:20 [davb]
flash kills mozilla 0.9.8 on linux
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04:02:38 [davb]
oops
04:04:10 [hazmat]
ola
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11:56:32 [tontsa]
just a very simple faq(which is couldn't find anywhere). does OpenACS and AD CMS play together?
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13:19:00 [markd2]
good afternoon
13:19:05 [k2pts]
hey markd2
13:19:22 [k2pts]
all Cyprus is sad today
13:19:29 [markd2]
ut oh
13:19:31 [markd2]
what happened?
13:19:49 [k2pts]
our former president died at age 69
13:20:12 [markd2]
:-(
13:20:22 [k2pts]
he was president for two times and minister of the office long before taht
13:20:33 [k2pts]
s/office/foreign office
13:21:14 [k2pts]
http://www.cypria.com/
13:21:14 [chump]
C: http://www.cypria.com/ from k2pts
13:21:22 [k2pts]
three days of mourning
13:24:49 [k2pts]
paje: seen davb?
13:24:50 [paje]
davb was last seen on #openacs 9 hours, 22 minutes and 12 seconds ago, saying: oops [Wed Mar 13 21:04:39 2002]
13:25:04 [k2pts]
paje: seen hazmat?
13:25:05 [paje]
hazmat was last seen on #openacs 9 hours, 20 minutes and 54 seconds ago, saying: ola [Wed Mar 13 21:06:12 2002]
13:26:27 [k2pts]
markd2: what's the word on Redhat's announcement to continue ACSJ?
13:27:52 [markd2]
all I know right now is what's in that press release / faq thing
13:38:51 [davb]
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13:39:07 [k2pts]
hey davb
13:39:08 [davb]
hi k2pts
13:39:09 [k2pts]
got your message
13:39:09 [markd2]
and then I said to davb, get off that goat... oh. hi davb
13:39:16 [davb]
ok
13:39:21 [davb]
hi markd2 :)
13:40:14 [k2pts]
davb: I mentioned something about those problems with the xsl stylesheets I have sent you
13:40:22 [k2pts]
in our discussions
13:40:38 [k2pts]
I suppose you didn't observe any problems with 10-to-xhtml
13:40:43 [davb]
right. I am sure you did. I couldn't find them though.
13:40:50 [k2pts]
but the rest did have problems like those you've sent me
13:41:04 [davb]
k2pts: yes that one too, because it referred to an Xhtmljava something or other in the method.
13:41:26 [k2pts]
those stylesheets were extracted from a java package, that's why there are references to java methods
13:41:37 [davb]
tontsa: the CMS from ACS Tcl 4 is in OpenACS 4 also.
13:41:55 [k2pts]
how's it going so far (I mean the stylesheets)?
13:42:00 [davb]
ok. so with those changes everything should be ok. They must have been specific to the parser.
13:42:12 [davb]
It looks pretty good now. after I made those little changes.
13:42:22 [davb]
although I didn't try it with nsxml yet :)
13:42:29 [k2pts]
have you made it, to convert 0.91 to xhtml?
13:42:35 [davb]
but it should be the same. xsltproc uses libxml2 also.
13:42:37 [davb]
yes.
13:42:40 [davb]
no.
13:42:42 [davb]
:)
13:42:58 [davb]
I didn';t try that. it required two passes right?
13:43:04 [k2pts]
I mean, have you applied rss0.91-10.xsl and then 10-to-xhtml and work?
13:43:08 [k2pts]
yes
13:43:12 [davb]
let me try it.
13:43:35 [k2pts]
10-to-xhtml works ok...I have tried that...I don't remember being succesfull with the two passes
13:44:27 [k2pts]
what's a Leprechaun?
13:44:50 [markd2]
It's an irish mythical being
13:44:59 [markd2]
little men wearing green, and difficult to catch
13:45:11 [markd2]
if you catch one, it'll show you the pot of gold it keeps at the base of a rainbow
13:45:18 [k2pts]
what that has to do with IRS (taxes right?) and openacs?
13:45:24 [davb]
k2pts: it looks ok, but if there is HTML inside the descriptions, it is espaced so you can see the code.
13:45:46 [k2pts]
could you send me a tarball with the changes. I want to try it
13:45:53 [davb]
ok.
13:46:06 [markd2]
k2pts - not sure. what's the context?
13:46:11 [k2pts]
I might put some time on it today...but I'm already behind schedule with the persistence stuff
13:46:19 [k2pts]
http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0004JD&topic_id=12&topic=OpenACS%204%2e0%20Design
13:46:19 [chump]
D: http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0004JD&topic_id=12&topic=OpenACS%204%2e0%20Design from k2pts
13:46:49 [markd2]
heh
13:47:23 [davb]
sent
13:47:36 [k2pts]
thx
13:47:38 [markd2]
I guess that since Saint Patrick's Day (an excuse to drink beer, wear green, and dispaly Leprechauns) is so close (sunday), that the little buggers will infest the oacs code
13:47:40 [markd2]
Talli is being talli
13:47:50 [k2pts]
heh
13:48:07 [markd2]
I'm sure he's a Darf Leprechaun Pimp
13:48:14 [k2pts]
:)
13:48:16 [markd2]
the tax rates may be different if you Pimp regular-sized Leprechauns vs the smaller ones
13:48:24 [k2pts]
where's he btw? it's been a while since we last chat?
13:48:29 [markd2]
or maybe he Pimps Giant Leprechauns
13:48:33 [markd2]
paje, seen talli?
13:48:33 [paje]
talli was last seen on #openacs 13 hours, 35 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: i love that [Wed Mar 13 17:15:03 2002]
13:48:46 [markd2]
talli is also | a Leprechaun pimp
13:48:46 [paje]
okay, markd2.
13:48:50 [markd2]
literal talli
13:48:50 [paje]
markd2: talli =is= the commander of the virtuous fleet that will save the good merchants of the eart farties from the pirate denshi|a Leprechaun pimp
13:49:00 [k2pts]
heh
13:49:21 [davb]
markd2 is also | the botmaster
13:49:22 [paje]
okay, davb.
13:50:11 [k2pts]
paje: who is markd2?
13:50:12 [paje]
i heard markd2 was a dork
13:50:27 [markd2]
wow. that's quite accurate
13:50:35 [k2pts]
paje: who is k2pts?
13:50:36 [paje]
well, k2pts is Neophytos Demetriou, one of the minds behind OpenACS-Search and other nifty stuff.
13:50:54 [k2pts]
paje: who is davb?
13:50:54 [paje]
well, davb is sad that EA is discontinuing Majestic. Of course, I would be more sad if I had ever paid for it.
13:51:05 [davb]
ack
13:51:08 [markd2]
paje, you should pay for games!
13:51:08 [paje]
markd2: huh?
13:51:15 [markd2]
literal davb
13:51:15 [paje]
markd2: davb =is= sad that EA is discontinuing Majestic. Of course, I would be more sad if I had ever paid for it.
13:51:32 [davb]
You get a sample for free, I never continued it, but it was very immersive.
13:51:37 [davb]
(is that a word?)
13:51:43 [markd2]
yep
13:52:24 [davb]
they match, the account is activated.
13:52:28 [davb]
argh
13:52:29 [k2pts]
davb: where's the example script that you used for the two passes?
13:52:54 [davb]
that is the finished product. you want the xml I used to start with?
13:53:04 [davb]
I didn't use a script, just xsltproc.
13:53:35 [k2pts]
what's the command for xsltproc?
13:53:48 [k2pts]
I'm being lazy :)
13:53:58 [davb]
that is it. if you haven;t installed it, you probably need to get it.
13:54:07 [k2pts]
no, I have it
13:54:10 [davb]
ok.
13:54:12 [k2pts]
I just didn't check the options
13:54:14 [k2pts]
:)
13:54:27 [davb]
oh like this. xsltproc stylesheet xmlfile > outputfile
13:55:31 [k2pts]
davb: you have sent me the unchanged xsl, I think
13:55:34 [k2pts]
compilation error: file rss09-to-10.xsl line 35 element stylesheet
13:55:34 [k2pts]
xsl:version is missing: document may not be a stylesheet
13:55:34 [k2pts]
runtime error: file /home/nkd/net/slashdot.rss
13:55:34 [k2pts]
xsltApplyStylesheetInternal: unsupported method RSSOutputHandler
13:55:34 [k2pts]
no result for /home/nkd/net/slashdot.rss
13:55:58 [davb]
oh, I used rss091, i forget to fix that one. sorry.
13:56:04 [k2pts]
nm
13:56:12 [k2pts]
I'll try it with 091
13:57:21 [davb]
http://www.digitalconsumer.org/
13:57:21 [chump]
E: http://www.digitalconsumer.org/ from davb
13:57:33 [davb]
E:|Protecting fair-use rights in the digital world
13:57:33 [chump]
titled item E
13:59:21 [davb]
E: includes the [Consumer Technology Bill of Rights|http://www.digitalconsumer.org/bill.html] they are proposing
13:59:21 [chump]
commented item E
14:00:08 [k2pts]
davb: looks good. I'll try to put some time on it today and sent you something later on, so that you can take it from there. does that sound good?
14:00:11 [markd2]
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14:00:36 [davb]
sure, that sounds good. I should have some time to work on it this week. along with testing the beta.
14:01:38 [k2pts]
I took rocael's chat backport and used it under 4.x...nothing sophisticated though
14:02:15 [k2pts]
chat that is...rocael is going to work on a 4.x port
14:02:56 [k2pts]
bad thing with the chat applet is that it doesn't scroll, and you can't cut and paste, and you can't display images as it is
14:03:05 [k2pts]
I mean the aD chat applet
14:04:05 [k2pts]
anyway, I'm going to head out and do some work, we talk later
14:04:10 [davb]
bye.
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14:28:08 [davb]
weird. On two mailing lists I am on, they are having the static/dynamic discussion, but neither one has had anyone mention personalization as a reason for having at least part of the page be dynamic.
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paje: test
15:21:17 [paje]
k2pts: what?
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15:32:51 [davb]
hi talli
15:38:48 [talli]
hey davb
16:02:31 [rbm]
oom
16:15:15 [talli]
yo rbm
16:17:35 [rbm]
yo yo, wassup? What's the word on the street?
16:25:50 [davb]
yippee!
16:25:59 [davb]
I got my ide cd recorder working in linux again!
16:35:29 [rbm]
excellent
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16:35:31 [rbm]
IDE?
16:38:27 [davb]
yes.
16:38:31 [davb]
works great.
16:39:03 [davb]
I had to coax the ide-scsi drivers into working so it looks like a scsi drive.
16:46:34 [dwalker]
anyone know where I can read a username that is passed in the url? i.e. user@www.vorteon.com
16:46:43 [rbm]
davb: Yeah.\
16:53:59 [davb]
dwalker: I am not sure what you are asking. How to read form variables?
16:54:54 [dwalker]
in a url like http://dwalker@www.vorteon.com dwalker is the username
16:56:59 [rbm]
Is that a legal URL?
16:57:08 [dwalker]
yes
16:57:35 [davb]
so you just need a reqexp to get the username part out?
16:57:37 [rbm]
And what uses that?
16:58:23 [dwalker]
davb: where do I read the full requested url?
16:58:26 [dwalker]
http://www.microsoft.com.jfasiojelska23489asfn3-2gad@www.vorteon.com/
16:58:27 [chump]
F: http://www.microsoft.com.jfasiojelska23489asfn3-2gad@www.vorteon.com/ from dwalker
16:58:49 [dwalker]
I've seen that format as a trick
16:58:55 [rbm]
dwalker: in AOLserver? in OpenACS?
16:59:10 [rbm]
AOLserver has ns_conn, OpenACS has ad_conn
16:59:44 [rbm]
(OpenACS 4.5 that is)
17:00:22 [dwalker]
[ns_conn url] only returns the url to the right of the domain name
17:02:48 [dwalker]
[ns_conn location] dumps the username piece of the url
17:03:19 [rbm]
http://www.aolserver.com/docs/devel/tcl/api/conn.html#ns_conn
17:03:20 [chump]
G: http://www.aolserver.com/docs/devel/tcl/api/conn.html#ns_conn from rbm
17:04:06 [dwalker]
[ns_conn authuser] is empty unless the user really is accepted using nsperm
17:04:48 [markd2]
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17:08:21 [rbm]
So is this pure AOLserver? No OpenACS? You didn't answer earlier
17:08:33 [dwalker]
openacs 3.2.5
17:08:34 [davb]
it might not be available to the Tcl API.
17:09:14 [davb]
so you would use that to pass an HTTP username for authentication?
17:09:24 [dwalker]
yes
17:09:28 [rbm]
how about [ns_conn host] and then some regexp?
17:11:29 [davb]
time for lunch
17:11:36 [rbm]
If that doesn't work, then it's very likely that you can get it out of [ns_conn headers]
17:12:45 [dwalker]
it isn't in [ns_conn headers] I checked there
17:12:55 [dwalker]
I don't think it is in ns_conn host either
17:13:00 [rbm]
hmmm, then I'm out of ideas.
17:13:10 [dwalker]
but for some reason ns_conn host is empty in my test code
17:13:23 [rbm]
Can't you just make a form for users to fill out?
17:14:05 [dwalker]
I want to cheat and use sitename@mysslsite.com for using a single ssl cert for multiple domains
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17:14:37 [dwalker]
I'll figure it out. I might have to modify aolserver though
17:15:13 [rbm]
hmm, that's what I was thinking. Writing an AOLserver C module that will just take the URL as it comes in and return it via Tcl should be pretty easy.
17:16:23 [dwalker]
yea. either that or an auth module that always returns true so the [ns_conn authuser] works
17:21:04 [davb]
hi denshi
17:21:11 [denshi]
hey
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17:55:15 [denshi]
hey talli
18:04:23 [markd2]
talli?
18:04:23 [paje]
i think talli is a Leprechaun pimp
18:04:28 [markd2]
paje, talli?
18:04:28 [paje]
talli is the commander of the virtuous fleet that will save the good merchants of the eart farties from the pirate denshi
18:08:23 [denshi]
paje, forget talli
18:08:23 [paje]
denshi: I forgot talli
18:08:46 [markd2]
but talli *is* a Leprechaun pimp!
18:08:46 [denshi]
talli is the slayer of innocent domo-kuns the world over.
18:09:21 [markd2]
has he no shame?
18:10:17 [denshi]
talli is also | <action> cries out "pimp, talli, pimp!"
18:10:17 [paje]
okay, denshi.
18:11:07 [markd2]
literal talli
18:11:07 [paje]
markd2: talli =is= the slayer of innocent domo-kuns the world over.|<action> cries out "pimp, talli, pimp!"
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18:11:30 [denshi]
can paje handle plurals?
18:11:42 [markd2]
plurals?
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18:13:30 [davb]
has anyone seen the mozbot? I was wondering how it compares to infobot.
18:18:59 [markd2]
a rolling stone gathers no moz
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18:22:21 [davb]
wow infobots can talk to each other.
18:22:49 [talli]
* talli the bot refuses to speak to any of the other infobots
18:23:28 [talli]
* talli the bot asks that davb kindly calls paje a jerk and that talli the bot is still angry about last night. and i will be until he apologizes
18:24:17 [markd2]
I hope paje used protection
18:25:17 [davb]
darn, dave winer has invaded another mailing list.
18:25:25 [davb]
looks like I'll have to unsubscribe.
18:25:53 [denshi]
heh
18:25:59 [talli]
bush just said the advancement of free markets and democracy have brought wealth to an ever-increasing circle of the world
18:26:03 [talli]
i missed that one
18:26:18 [talli]
ciao ciao ciao
18:27:10 [markd2]
that means that the wealthy circle are gaining weight
18:27:26 [davb]
some guys were going along working without him, and he hijacked the work and released his own competing spec.
18:29:14 [davb]
I do have to give him credit though, when he puts out a spec there is working code to demonstrate it.
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18:46:30 [devlin.openprojects.net]
topic is: OpenACS: 4.5 Beta available: http://openacs.org
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Users on #openacs: loggy rbm talli denshi markd2 dwalker davb tontsa shagster andyn til paje hazmat chump djg
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19:12:47 [rbm]
rbm has changed the topic to: OpenACS: 4.5 Beta available: http://openacs.org/
19:13:02 [rbm]
Note the missing "/" which made the URL illegal :-P
19:17:16 [markd2]
http:/openacs.org/
19:17:52 [denshi]
* denshi still thinks nsd should transform that invisibly.
19:19:45 [markd2]
would the internal redirect work for that?
19:28:08 [rbm]
anyone know of a way to send messages to Win clients over Samba from Linux?
19:29:04 [denshi]
rbm: what kind of messages?
19:29:13 [rbm]
winpopup-style messages
19:29:23 [denshi]
hmmm....
19:29:32 [rbm]
like you can from win2k
19:31:12 [rbm]
google is your friend... just found linpopup on google :)
19:33:56 [denshi]
I'm trying to find a link I had last year to a page of webcam screenshots taken when hacked win clients present pop-up messages to unsuspecting users. It's priceless.
19:41:18 [davb]
how does apache handle that?
19:43:30 [rbm]
hmmm, can't get linpopup to work
19:44:03 [rbm]
how does apache handle Winpopup messages? I don't think it does.
20:02:42 [davb]
no the redirect thing :)
20:05:03 [markd2]
you're redirecting winpopup messages?
20:05:08 [davb]
argh
20:05:10 [davb]
:)
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20:38:21 [rbm]
paje: time please?
20:38:21 [paje]
Thu Mar 14 13:40:22 2002
20:38:25 [rbm]
paje: thank you
20:38:26 [paje]
rbm: pas de quoi
20:38:39 [rbm]
That's MST btw :)
20:40:04 [markd2]
obtw, happy Pi Day, folks
20:40:18 [rbm]
are we having pie today?
20:40:26 [markd2]
only Paje
20:42:18 [rbm]
paje: do you like pie?
20:42:19 [paje]
i don't know, rbm
20:42:33 [rbm]
paje: pie is a delicious thing to eat
20:42:33 [paje]
OK, rbm.
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21:01:27 [rbm]
How do you replace an element in a Tcl list? (I know, I know...)
21:02:05 [davb]
* davb has to look
21:02:37 [rbm]
Tcl is ofttimes annoying
21:02:43 [markd2]
lreplace?
21:02:44 [davb]
lreplace
21:03:08 [davb]
lreplace list i j arg arg...
21:03:08 [davb]
Replace elements i through j of list with the args. Returns a new list and leaves the original list unmodified.
21:03:20 [rbm]
I'm trying lreplace to no success
21:03:47 [rbm]
I want to modify the elements of a list, not create a new one.
21:04:15 [rbm]
I noticed a few minutes ago that the reason why lreplace wasn't working is because it leaves the old list untouched.
21:04:32 [davb]
you need a set foo [lreplace $foo blah]
21:04:48 [davb]
I think that will work.
21:05:08 [rbm]
That will make foo the new list.
21:05:35 [rbm]
not what I want.
21:07:09 [rbm]
I'm iterating through the elements of a list and making some arithmetic on each element. Creating a new list for each iteration sounds like a lot of waste.
21:07:22 [rbm]
*sighs*
21:07:42 [markd2]
can you accumulate a new list as you go through and do your maths?
21:07:49 [rbm]
I think I'll just have to copy the list to a Tcl hash table, do the arithmetic there, then copy back to a list.
21:07:58 [markd2]
still be double the space, but you won't be paying the pull apart / put back together
21:08:43 [rbm]
markd2: You mean set foo [lreplace ...] ?
21:09:26 [davb]
no. do make a new list. do lappend for each item after you do the calculations?
21:09:39 [rbm]
Ah, I see.
21:09:49 [rbm]
Yeah, I guess that'd be a better solution.
21:10:05 [rbm]
My thoughts seem to be constipated today.
21:10:20 [rbm]
I _really_ need a break from school.
21:10:38 [rbm]
* rbm wishes he could go on vacation
21:10:50 [rbm]
10 years since my last vacation.
21:11:33 [rbm]
tks davb, markd2.
21:12:58 [davb]
np. good luck on the vacation thing.
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