00:01:19 The trick is that the stuff that appears in your browser is only part of the error messages. Usually if you can find that in the log and scroll back a little there will be a message from postgresql. 00:03:55 I am doing another fresh install in another machine 00:04:26 ok. did you restart the server after mounting that packages in the site map? 00:04:42 yes 00:05:14 ok :) 00:06:18 did you install any other packages? 00:07:09 my own, but they are just tcl with no data models (they are perl scripts that run as cgi) 00:07:32 http://www.sundayherald.com/22727 00:07:32 A: http://www.sundayherald.com/22727 from denshi 00:07:41 ok. It looks like both of those errors are from sql files that were never loaded. pl/pgsql functions are missing. 00:07:47 A: Scotland ends their "War on (Some) Drugs" 00:07:47 commented item A 00:07:51 I installed bboard and news and entered items ok. 00:08:18 uhm... 00:08:37 I am double checking to make sure it is the 4-5 branch... 00:09:36 oops, looks like its the old one. 00:09:51 cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@openacs.org:/cvsroot update -r oacs-4-5 -d packages packages 00:09:55 is what I am doing 00:10:34 looks ok to me 00:11:06 wait, no it is using the new one, I looked in the wrong log :) 00:11:07 kerenel is installing 00:11:44 what do you mean "the new one" 00:13:22 didm't dinish installing core services. Crahed after acs-workflow 00:13:30 s/dinish/finish 00:13:41 the 4-5 branch as opposed to the one I checked out last week. 00:13:49 crash? did you get an error message? 00:14:24 RROR: apm_packages_package_key_fk referential integrity violation - key referenced from apm_packages not found in apm_package_types 00:14:24 Label RROR not found. 00:14:39 ERROR: ExecAppend: Fail to add null value in not null attribute object_id 00:14:39 Label ERROR not found. 00:16:26 weird. 00:16:41 this is postgresql, right? 00:16:49 yes 00:20:03 wait, i started the server again, now I get on the first page that there is a problem with my ns_xml, I didn't see this before 00:21:45 I am workin on a different machine, not the one where I had the previous error. I thouth that the right xml were there.. 00:29:17 l8r 00:29:19 denshi has quit () 00:30:10 I am not sure how to help. The first install screen will tell you if you are missing anything before you proceed with the install. If you get that far it should work. 00:50:03 for sanity sake I started from scratch once more 00:50:35 I get the error with acs-workflow 00:50:58 I am goingto delete the package so I can get one step further. 00:51:17 At the same time I am running it on a solaris machine and that part passed fine 00:53:35 In the solaris machine, I installed the packages. Restarted the server 00:54:53 added news in the site map, wrote the fake note, got the preview, but when I press confirm. I get the error message 00:54:58 I posted in the bboar 00:55:12 daveb: are you there? 00:55:23 talli (~talli@talli.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 00:59:20 I did the same for bboard, added it to sitemap, created a bboard, and tried to post, the preview is shown but then I get the error 01:13:33 ok. 01:13:57 BTW, deleting a packagr from a failed install with likely not work. easier to drop and recreate the db. 01:17:52 I did that, what I meant is deleteing the files altogether, I did and got aproblem with skin 01:18:39 I deleted the db, and now is installing the kernel again 01:21:01 there is definetly something wrong with my linux installation b'cause didn't work either... 01:21:24 anyhow. On the solaris one, I wonder why your news package did OK 01:21:43 did you try the "confirm" and actually see the news posted? 01:21:50 yes. 02:22:15 I used the nightly tar ball (Mar 12) and both things (news and bbord) dissapeared 02:26:46 the problems? 02:26:47 it has been said that the problems is that the groups need to be created as application groups 02:26:59 heh 02:28:37 daveb: the problems with news and bboard, including the bug Don said needed fixing are gone... 02:29:02 not sure why the cvs update I did was not good (?) 02:29:02 excellent. 02:29:19 probably not. 02:29:29 Mine was a checkout from the 4-5 branch. 02:29:36 paje: the groups/user problem was yesterdays nightmare.. today is anotherone 02:29:36 OK, rafa_. 02:30:07 problem? 02:30:08 paje: I will try to write something about the UI of groups, the docs I found are all for developers.. 02:30:08 OK, rafa_. 02:30:43 daveb: I thought I used the 4-5 branch... 02:30:55 cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@openacs.org:/cvsroot update -r oacs-4-5 -d packages packages 02:31:08 maybe updating packages is not enough? 02:32:20 probably not. 02:32:30 updating can be tricky. 02:33:43 I don't like the idea of the tarball because personal changes would be overwritten 02:33:43 did you try to update a checkout of the main branch to the 4-5 branch? 02:34:18 rafa. I use a personal repository. I checkout the latest code, and import/merge into my local repository. then check that out into my development directory. 02:35:04 I guess I will need to get more knowledgable in cvs.. 02:35:08 for site development that is. for development on OpenACS itself I work in a checkout of the openacs code directly. but I do commit and check out into a new directory often. 02:35:37 Ron Henderson's guide at arsdigita.com/asj/ is helpful. Also the docs are very informative. 02:37:57 mcleverl (~michael@dsl081-018-127.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #openacs 02:38:01 paje, seen rbm? 02:38:01 rbm was last seen on #openacs 4 hours, 44 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying: paje: botsnack [Tue Mar 12 14:55:51 2002] 02:46:07 mcleverl has quit ("ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet?") 02:57:16 paje: seen mcleverl 02:57:17 mcleverl was last seen on #openacs 19 minutes and 15 seconds ago, saying: paje, seen rbm? [Tue Mar 12 19:40:02 2002] 02:59:17 hey rbm 03:00:16 markd2 (~Snak@r-41.152.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 03:00:30 hey talli, markd2 03:00:46 can markd2 solve the snafu brought about by a mystifying haiku? 03:00:58 I can try 03:01:11 sorry, yes or no 03:02:49 yes 03:02:50 yes! 03:02:52 yes yes yes!! 03:03:02 there ya go. 03:03:06 paje, thank markd2 03:03:06 talli: sorry... 03:03:20 markd2, you may gotta teach some of that lovin' to paje 03:03:22 paje, spank talli 03:03:23 markd2: sorry... 03:03:48 paje's my man 03:05:06 paje, tell markd2 about your tutu 03:05:06 talli: what? 03:08:17 paje, tell talli about your tofu 03:08:17 markd2: what? 03:08:40 paje, you've been using tofu behind my back??!!?? 03:08:40 talli: i haven't a clue 03:08:47 paje, you lying bastard! 03:08:47 talli: sorry... 03:08:51 you better be! 03:09:53 paje, tell markd2 what you told me earlier today about how aspiration to become pajed2 03:09:53 talli: bugger all, i dunno 03:10:00 he's shy 03:15:33 http://www.zombo.com/ 03:15:33 B: http://www.zombo.com/ from markd2 03:15:43 E:| This is Zombocom 03:15:44 Label E not found. 03:15:46 B:| This is Zombocom 03:15:46 titled item B 03:15:47 whoa 03:15:53 B: You can do anything at zombocom 03:15:53 commented item B 03:15:58 that is the most amazing broken link i've ever seen 03:16:03 B: the unattainable is unknown at zombocom 03:16:03 commented item B 03:16:15 B: Welcome 03:16:16 commented item B 03:16:16 "Service temporarily unavailable" 03:16:29 paje, spank markd2 03:16:29 talli: huh? 03:16:34 damn 03:16:43 you don't get anything for www.zombo.com ? 03:16:51 nope 03:16:57 you have flash? 03:16:59 oh, now it works 03:17:16 paje: again! 03:17:16 * paje spanks talli 03:17:19 oooh cool, it crashes mozilla 03:17:33 oy 03:17:47 i am aroused by zombo.com 03:17:53 who knew a little audio and text could be so dangerous 03:18:05 I have been crashing mozilla all night. I have been using it since 0.9.5 and now it starts crashing. looks like i need to go to 0.9.9 03:19:28 anyone know how to coax out of webalizer _which_ urls caused a 404 error? I can get how many 404s, but not which URLs. I miss that feature of Reporte. 03:23:09 you need a blog of your own 03:23:15 become one of the lame people 03:23:28 a blog/ 03:23:33 a blog? of my own? 03:23:38 a girl can only dream... 03:23:56 maybe i'll ask zombo.com for help 03:24:32 maybe i'll become a camgirl 03:26:26 the web will never be the same again 03:27:41 a camgoat 03:27:53 paje is a camgirl 03:28:14 a camfire girl 03:28:15 markd2, where's your quote file again? 03:28:21 found it 03:31:35 where is that bastard vinod? 03:31:47 has he graduated to php+mysql hacking? 03:32:32 I thought he was coming out your way. 03:32:52 he was coming out? 03:33:00 to NYC 03:36:06 markd2 has quit ("ZZZZzzzzz....") 03:45:27 Can anyone do an anon cvs checkout of the 4-5 tree? 03:46:56 hmmm, never tried. 03:48:31 it says permission denied when I do anonymous, but I think its because of my setup... 03:48:53 aha. with :pserver: it works 03:49:07 Ah, maybe that's what I'm missing? 03:49:14 :: 03:49:34 cvs -d:pserver:anoynous@openacs.org:/cvsroot checkout -r oacs-4-5 -d openacs-4-5 -P openacs-4 03:49:51 you only need that for anonymous. 03:50:30 right 03:50:35 thanks davb 03:50:41 np. 04:03:47 chrismj (~chrismj@cs666848-34.austin.rr.com) has joined #openacs 04:08:34 has anyone had problems installing bboard on a recent checkout of oacs4? I can't get it to install (dependency acs-messaging not satisfied, even though it's there) 04:16:50 are you using the beta 4-5 branch or the main branch? 04:17:03 I checked out the 4-5 branch and it worked fine earlier. 04:21:06 chrismj has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:21:06 davb has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:21:06 rafa_ has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:21:06 andyn has quit (carter.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 04:21:19 chrismj (~chrismj@cs666848-34.austin.rr.com) has joined #OpenACS 04:21:19 rafa_ (rafa@ebt.ee.usyd.edu.au) has joined #OpenACS 04:21:19 andyn (~andy@12-254-190-230.client.attbi.com) has joined #OpenACS 04:22:17 ok, to follow up to dave's question, I just did a cvs co openacs-4 ... does that imply main branch or beta branch? 04:22:27 should I check out the 4-5 branch? 04:22:34 yes, sir chrismj 04:22:58 is it more stable than main? and what is the cvs module/label to check out? 04:26:54 i do believe it is more stable than main 04:27:07 you may want to go look at the logs to find out all that stuff 04:27:30 changelogs or logs of this channel? 04:27:32 this is cvs, so main is where the most unstable stuff is, the main system that is currently being developed 04:27:37 logs of this channel 04:27:41 ok 04:27:44 i know they were talking abotu this stuff earlier 04:27:54 branches from cvs reflect frozen development stnapshots 04:28:24 another question, if I look at the UML data models used for ACS 4.6, is that inspired or identical to the data models for oacs4? 04:28:42 hmmm... unclear 04:29:11 I'm just trying to find a nice overview of the organization of the various schemas, and I found a nice acs web page with uml for acs-java,... 04:29:17 probably not related, since the UMLs are for queries that are sucked into the persistent layer, yeah? 04:29:35 I'm not sure what you mean. 04:29:38 if not, then that might be something interesting to bring up to the community 04:29:53 i think the datamodels for acs java are pretty much the same as those for oacs 04:30:04 since acs java is a continuation of acs java 04:30:09 acs tcl, sorry 04:30:17 well, another thing that's been on my mind--are we going to lose arsdigita.com any day now? anyone mirroring some of the important content (like unique modules/docs)? 04:30:19 gotcha 04:30:27 that's what I would think 04:30:44 but acs java had a persistent layer, so i don't know how that relates to the data model. 04:30:59 for acs java or for oacs? 04:31:13 we have nothing to do with acs java 04:31:24 i think that people have swiped all of the info that is worth keeping 04:31:36 right, I know that. I know that java was based upon the data models for acs-tcl 04:32:04 but you say that the java has a persistent layer? is that not the same as a "persistence layer," i.e., a database back-end? 04:32:52 sorry persistence layer 04:33:08 and no, a persistence layer does not mean that it has a DB backend 04:33:53 it refers to, and i could be very wrong but i've read about this enough to not think so, an object oriented system that has been abstracted from a direct procedural relationship with the db 04:34:05 so you have an object relational map from the OO framework to the sql DB 04:34:26 whoa, that was some serious techno mumbo jumbo i dropped 04:34:28 the thing is, there is a huge, intricate, and extremely nicely done UML layout of the entire java project on arsdigita 04:34:35 that's nice 04:34:38 too bad it means nothing 04:34:41 it would be nice to be able to go by that when understanding oacs 04:34:47 becuase it lays out a system that doesn't work 04:34:50 you can't 04:34:54 totally unrelated applications 04:35:09 aD probably spent a lot of money and time making those UML models too 04:35:11 I think I understand your previous comment. so it's not just the db layer, it's a way of mapping 04:35:22 because the nerds there liked that kind of stuff. 04:35:31 yeah, persistence layer is a kind of mapping 04:35:39 it's very tough to do 04:35:49 in fact some say that no one has done it successfully 04:36:06 I'm having trouble understanding such simple things as, "how do I add a second site administrator" etc. 04:36:09 check out ben's a "technical paper on java" in the oacs new-file-storage area 04:36:17 I'm finding it's impossible without hacking the code 04:36:23 will check that out 04:36:29 the user admin in oacs is horrible 04:36:39 unfortunately, the UI has yet to be addressed in OACS 04:36:58 we've been getting the code ready for release, cleaning up what we've inherited 04:37:03 if I can get traction for myself and my project, I'll be ready to help. my understanding is still too spotty 04:37:09 very cool 04:37:46 do you subscribe to the oacs bboards? 04:37:55 my buddy went through and discovered that one would have to modify the permissions of like 16 pieces to get admin privs for a second user 04:38:20 hmmm... i don't think so. 04:38:26 have you been to the site map? 04:38:37 no, will do so. but I read them when I have questions. again, they seem fairly disorganized (have to use search for most of my questions) 04:38:47 yeah, been to site map 04:39:12 you go to the node that you want to provide priveleges on 04:39:24 and give someone super user privs 04:39:30 right, let's pretend that it's all nodes, and I want the new user to be able to add nodes 04:39:35 and then i think that you make sure that they inheret 04:39:41 that shouldn't be a prob 04:39:53 make sure that the person also has super user privs 04:40:12 how do I set those? 04:41:07 ok... trying it now. thanks for your patience! 04:41:42 no prob 04:42:22 andyn has quit ("leaving") 04:42:43 andyn (~andy@12-254-190-230.client.attbi.com) has joined #openacs 04:42:58 still investigating. I will get oacs 4-5 and test against that, if you recommend that as more stable. how do I get it from cvs? or tarball.... 04:44:18 see if this page helps: http://www.pinds.com/acs-tips/openacs-setup 04:44:27 it's done by lars pind, an uber-acs hacker 04:44:30 (he wrote workflow) 04:44:33 very cool! 04:47:04 that help? 04:51:24 somewhat... he just says to get the latest cvs, but I can't find reference to getting the non-main version... 4-5 or whatever. 04:53:09 http://members.tripod.com/~sonoguy/ 04:53:09 C: http://members.tripod.com/~sonoguy/ from talli 04:53:27 C: markd2's militia home page. pennsylvanian nuts 04:53:27 commented item C 04:53:57 C: contain's proof of the Amish POW Camps 04:53:57 commented item C 04:56:39 got it: cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@openacs.org:/cvsroot co -c 04:56:44 cool 04:56:45 congrats 04:56:47 gives a list of all modules in there 04:58:09 don't see this mythical oacs4-5 label, will have to dig more (one only learns as much cvs [etc.] as one needs at a given moment...) 05:08:31 ok, so I found the labels: initial-dev, oacs-4-5, OpenACS 05:08:56 I didn't see openacs-4, but that's specified in pinds.com's tips and what I used to check out the system from cvs before. 05:09:27 I might try a checkout of oacs-4-5 beta... but then again, maybe just update my checkout, since like 20-30 files have changed in the past 2 weeks. 05:10:05 advice on what to do to install bboard? I go to install it and the dependency does not seem to be met of acs-messaging, even though that's installed. where should I check? 05:33:36 ah, you're reaching my limit 05:33:37 dunno 05:34:15 appreciate it --nm 05:35:36 no problem. 05:39:09 is the majority of work going on now toward what end for oacs? feature completion, package porting, UI, stability, ...? 05:39:22 stability 05:39:45 ok, that's what I told my bud--so cvs'ing every once in a while will go toward stability updates 05:40:08 yes, very much so 05:40:25 what are you guys working on/> 05:40:26 ? 05:41:15 well, two things for now: 1) the UT Austin Student Engineering Council web site and my personal pages (efficient for me to learn at home, too) 05:41:28 oh, cool 05:41:39 well, you should be riding toddg hard if that's what you're trying to do 05:41:43 get his ass to build it for you 05:41:57 I'm looking personally long term with my involvement, because I want to use it for myself in the next 5 years 05:42:07 coo; 05:42:08 why toddg? 05:42:20 I know he's on his way down to UT in the fall or something... 05:42:46 oh, right 05:42:48 he's in dallas 05:43:08 he's also a loser 05:43:09 really, the other (and primary) issue for such a group is to get the people trained up on the system and feeling ownership so it can be perpetuated and properly extended for their needs 05:43:17 denshi, you're a loser. 05:43:27 paje, denshi is a loser 05:43:27 OK, talli. 05:43:33 paje, who's denshi? 05:43:33 denshi is a loser 05:43:34 so that's why I'm getting a few people together to build this (UI, graphics, db, programming) 05:43:36 hahahahahaha 05:53:51 dlk has quit ("*poff*") 05:53:51 chrismj has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:54:26 chrismj (~chrismj@cs666848-34.austin.rr.com) has joined #openacs 06:00:33 chrismj has quit ("[BX] That's Mister gtkBitchX to you") 07:00:36 dlk (dlk@walter.ita.chalmers.se) has joined #openacs 07:11:02 dullk (dlk@walter.ita.chalmers.se) has joined #openacs 07:11:53 dlk has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:12:02 dullk is now known as slk 07:12:16 slk is now known as dlk 07:18:01 shagster has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:27:49 dullk (dlk@walter.ita.chalmers.se) has joined #openacs 07:27:51 dlk has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:29:55 dlk (dlk@walter.ita.chalmers.se) has joined #openacs 07:30:26 dullk has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:33:54 dlk has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:35:12 dlk (dlk@walter.ita.chalmers.se) has joined #openacs 07:46:09 chrismj (~chrismj@cs666848-34.austin.rr.com) has joined #openacs 08:00:44 shagster (~mkovach@63.90.248.161) has joined #openacs 08:02:42 chrismj has left #openacs 08:04:32 dlk is now known as dlk-afk 12:55:08 markd2 (~Snak@r-41.66.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 13:16:58 talli++ 13:17:08 that beaver county militia is awesome 13:17:12 I need to renew my membership 13:17:14 er, join 13:32:45 davb (~dave@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 14:27:18 davb has quit () 14:31:31 wheeeee 14:33:59 davb (~dave@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 14:41:46 the world needs more techno covers of Enya songs 14:49:20 markd2: oh? 14:49:29 That should be interesting 14:51:45 I think once Vinod gets his hip-hop rap band together, that should be a top priority 14:52:04 gitdown! 14:52:05 gitfunky 14:52:19 morning blueboy 14:52:24 err, wrong window 15:00:10 davb_foo (~dave@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 15:03:44 davb has quit () 15:03:48 davb_foo is now known as davb 15:04:10 davb has quit (Client Quit) 15:25:53 markd2, you weren't a member of the beaver county militia before? i mean, a FOUNDING member? 15:26:14 i know how you're commitment to non-violence has been voilent at times. 15:27:40 I'll kill anyone who isn't non-violent enough 15:27:55 that's the spirit 15:31:55 * markd2 piddies da foo 15:32:40 don't forget to wash your hands 15:32:47 employees always have to wash their hands 15:43:21 dlk-afk has quit ("aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.........") 15:51:22 choooo!!!!! 15:51:43 gesuntheit 15:55:11 davb (~dave@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 15:55:58 and so i said, "davb, get your fingers out of my" - oh hi, davb 16:00:18 heh 16:56:29 jim has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: jim2!~jim@12-233-187-5.client.attbi.com))) 17:09:20 can you insert into a view? 17:11:00 * davb thinks not 17:11:47 in oracle, you can, sorta 17:12:08 actualy, I think if the view has all of the not-null columns in it, you can 17:12:16 and if it's a more complicated view, you can have an 'instead of' trigger to do the right thing 17:12:21 ah. ok. interesting. 17:12:47 ah spiffy. 17:13:27 anyway, I think workflow is missing some useful pl/sql apis to add callbacks and other things programmers need to do. I really don't like inserting directly into the tables. (or views :) 17:13:50 you may want to post that to the bboards, davb 17:14:15 btw, i'm hiring lars to start building a new SDM 17:14:28 talli: I will. when I look into it more. probably this weekend. 17:14:33 really cool! 17:14:37 he's consulting on a project for us starting in a couple of weeks, and in the meantime he's got no work 17:14:43 so i asked him if he'd do this. 17:14:58 he's ideal. no need to ask someone to learn how to use workflow first :) 17:15:03 right. 17:15:31 we need a system where if noone wants to work on a package, but several people want it built, they can donate money to be collected on delivery of the package. 17:15:35 if you have any ideas for how to improve SDM, post 'em on the boards so that he can incorporate them intot he design 17:15:41 that's a good idea 17:16:06 we probably need to setup an OpenACS foundation or something for that though. 17:16:19 perhaps 17:16:29 i'm a member of the jabber software foundation, and it's a mess, though 17:16:52 (i got on it on a technicality. they were offering open signups for a bit, and i just happened to sign up in time) 17:17:03 I didn't say it was a good idea, just if OpenACS the project collects money, it needs to be a legal entity. I think we are doing better without it for now. 17:17:07 totally inefficient, no one knows what it does, etc. 17:17:14 yeah, you're right 17:17:36 denshi (~chatzilla@adsl-216-62-223-193.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) has joined #openacs 17:17:50 everybody hide! denshi's here! 17:17:55 paje, who's denshi? 17:17:55 well, denshi is a loser 17:18:04 paje, botsnack 17:18:04 thanks talli :) 17:18:17 paje, denshi has found a new hovze. 17:18:17 denshi: sorry... 17:18:38