IRC log of openacs on 2002-03-13

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00:01:19 [davb]
The trick is that the stuff that appears in your browser is only part of the error messages. Usually if you can find that in the log and scroll back a little there will be a message from postgresql.
00:03:55 [rafa_]
I am doing another fresh install in another machine
00:04:26 [davb]
ok. did you restart the server after mounting that packages in the site map?
00:04:42 [rafa_]
yes
00:05:14 [davb]
ok :)
00:06:18 [davb]
did you install any other packages?
00:07:09 [rafa_]
my own, but they are just tcl with no data models (they are perl scripts that run as cgi)
00:07:32 [denshi]
http://www.sundayherald.com/22727
00:07:32 [chump]
A: http://www.sundayherald.com/22727 from denshi
00:07:41 [davb]
ok. It looks like both of those errors are from sql files that were never loaded. pl/pgsql functions are missing.
00:07:47 [denshi]
A: Scotland ends their "War on (Some) Drugs"
00:07:47 [chump]
commented item A
00:07:51 [davb]
I installed bboard and news and entered items ok.
00:08:18 [rafa_]
uhm...
00:08:37 [davb]
I am double checking to make sure it is the 4-5 branch...
00:09:36 [davb]
oops, looks like its the old one.
00:09:51 [rafa_]
cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@openacs.org:/cvsroot update -r oacs-4-5 -d packages packages
00:09:55 [rafa_]
is what I am doing
00:10:34 [davb]
looks ok to me
00:11:06 [davb]
wait, no it is using the new one, I looked in the wrong log :)
00:11:07 [rafa_]
kerenel is installing
00:11:44 [rafa_]
what do you mean "the new one"
00:13:22 [rafa_]
didm't dinish installing core services. Crahed after acs-workflow
00:13:30 [rafa_]
s/dinish/finish
00:13:41 [davb]
the 4-5 branch as opposed to the one I checked out last week.
00:13:49 [davb]
crash? did you get an error message?
00:14:24 [rafa_]
RROR: apm_packages_package_key_fk referential integrity violation - key referenced from apm_packages not found in apm_package_types
00:14:24 [chump]
Label RROR not found.
00:14:39 [rafa_]
ERROR: ExecAppend: Fail to add null value in not null attribute object_id
00:14:39 [chump]
Label ERROR not found.
00:16:26 [davb]
weird.
00:16:41 [davb]
this is postgresql, right?
00:16:49 [rafa_]
yes
00:20:03 [rafa_]
wait, i started the server again, now I get on the first page that there is a problem with my ns_xml, I didn't see this before
00:21:45 [rafa_]
I am workin on a different machine, not the one where I had the previous error. I thouth that the right xml were there..
00:29:17 [denshi]
l8r
00:29:19 [denshi]
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00:30:10 [davb]
I am not sure how to help. The first install screen will tell you if you are missing anything before you proceed with the install. If you get that far it should work.
00:50:03 [rafa_]
for sanity sake I started from scratch once more
00:50:35 [rafa_]
I get the error with acs-workflow
00:50:58 [rafa_]
I am goingto delete the package so I can get one step further.
00:51:17 [rafa_]
At the same time I am running it on a solaris machine and that part passed fine
00:53:35 [rafa_]
In the solaris machine, I installed the packages. Restarted the server
00:54:53 [rafa_]
added news in the site map, wrote the fake note, got the preview, but when I press confirm. I get the error message
00:54:58 [rafa_]
I posted in the bboar
00:55:12 [rafa_]
daveb: are you there?
00:55:23 [talli]
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00:59:20 [rafa_]
I did the same for bboard, added it to sitemap, created a bboard, and tried to post, the preview is shown but then I get the error
01:13:33 [davb]
ok.
01:13:57 [davb]
BTW, deleting a packagr from a failed install with likely not work. easier to drop and recreate the db.
01:17:52 [rafa_]
I did that, what I meant is deleteing the files altogether, I did and got aproblem with skin
01:18:39 [rafa_]
I deleted the db, and now is installing the kernel again
01:21:01 [rafa_]
there is definetly something wrong with my linux installation b'cause didn't work either...
01:21:24 [rafa_]
anyhow. On the solaris one, I wonder why your news package did OK
01:21:43 [rafa_]
did you try the "confirm" and actually see the news posted?
01:21:50 [davb]
yes.
02:22:15 [rafa_]
I used the nightly tar ball (Mar 12) and both things (news and bbord) dissapeared
02:26:46 [davb]
the problems?
02:26:47 [paje]
it has been said that the problems is that the groups need to be created as application groups
02:26:59 [davb]
heh
02:28:37 [rafa_]
daveb: the problems with news and bboard, including the bug Don said needed fixing are gone...
02:29:02 [rafa_]
not sure why the cvs update I did was not good (?)
02:29:02 [davb]
excellent.
02:29:19 [davb]
probably not.
02:29:29 [davb]
Mine was a checkout from the 4-5 branch.
02:29:36 [rafa_]
paje: the groups/user problem was yesterdays nightmare.. today is anotherone
02:29:36 [paje]
OK, rafa_.
02:30:07 [davb]
problem?
02:30:08 [rafa_]
paje: I will try to write something about the UI of groups, the docs I found are all for developers..
02:30:08 [paje]
OK, rafa_.
02:30:43 [rafa_]
daveb: I thought I used the 4-5 branch...
02:30:55 [rafa_]
cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@openacs.org:/cvsroot update -r oacs-4-5 -d packages packages
02:31:08 [rafa_]
maybe updating packages is not enough?
02:32:20 [davb]
probably not.
02:32:30 [davb]
updating can be tricky.
02:33:43 [rafa_]
I don't like the idea of the tarball because personal changes would be overwritten
02:33:43 [davb]
did you try to update a checkout of the main branch to the 4-5 branch?
02:34:18 [davb]
rafa. I use a personal repository. I checkout the latest code, and import/merge into my local repository. then check that out into my development directory.
02:35:04 [rafa_]
I guess I will need to get more knowledgable in cvs..
02:35:08 [davb]
for site development that is. for development on OpenACS itself I work in a checkout of the openacs code directly. but I do commit and check out into a new directory often.
02:35:37 [davb]
Ron Henderson's guide at arsdigita.com/asj/ is helpful. Also the docs are very informative.
02:37:57 [mcleverl]
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02:38:01 [mcleverl]
paje, seen rbm?
02:38:01 [paje]
rbm was last seen on #openacs 4 hours, 44 minutes and 11 seconds ago, saying: paje: botsnack [Tue Mar 12 14:55:51 2002]
02:46:07 [mcleverl]
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02:57:16 [rbm]
paje: seen mcleverl
02:57:17 [paje]
mcleverl was last seen on #openacs 19 minutes and 15 seconds ago, saying: paje, seen rbm? [Tue Mar 12 19:40:02 2002]
02:59:17 [talli]
hey rbm
03:00:16 [markd2]
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03:00:30 [rbm]
hey talli, markd2
03:00:46 [talli]
can markd2 solve the snafu brought about by a mystifying haiku?
03:00:58 [markd2]
I can try
03:01:11 [talli]
sorry, yes or no
03:02:49 [markd2]
yes
03:02:50 [markd2]
yes!
03:02:52 [markd2]
yes yes yes!!
03:03:02 [talli]
there ya go.
03:03:06 [talli]
paje, thank markd2
03:03:06 [paje]
talli: sorry...
03:03:20 [talli]
markd2, you may gotta teach some of that lovin' to paje
03:03:22 [markd2]
paje, spank talli
03:03:23 [paje]
markd2: sorry...
03:03:48 [talli]
paje's my man
03:05:06 [talli]
paje, tell markd2 about your tutu
03:05:06 [paje]
talli: what?
03:08:17 [markd2]
paje, tell talli about your tofu
03:08:17 [paje]
markd2: what?
03:08:40 [talli]
paje, you've been using tofu behind my back??!!??
03:08:40 [paje]
talli: i haven't a clue
03:08:47 [talli]
paje, you lying bastard!
03:08:47 [paje]
talli: sorry...
03:08:51 [talli]
you better be!
03:09:53 [talli]
paje, tell markd2 what you told me earlier today about how aspiration to become pajed2
03:09:53 [paje]
talli: bugger all, i dunno
03:10:00 [talli]
he's shy
03:15:33 [markd2]
http://www.zombo.com/
03:15:33 [chump]
B: http://www.zombo.com/ from markd2
03:15:43 [markd2]
E:| This is Zombocom
03:15:44 [chump]
Label E not found.
03:15:46 [markd2]
B:| This is Zombocom
03:15:46 [chump]
titled item B
03:15:47 [talli]
whoa
03:15:53 [markd2]
B: You can do anything at zombocom
03:15:53 [chump]
commented item B
03:15:58 [talli]
that is the most amazing broken link i've ever seen
03:16:03 [markd2]
B: the unattainable is unknown at zombocom
03:16:03 [chump]
commented item B
03:16:15 [markd2]
B: Welcome
03:16:16 [chump]
commented item B
03:16:16 [talli]
"Service temporarily unavailable"
03:16:29 [talli]
paje, spank markd2
03:16:29 [paje]
talli: huh?
03:16:34 [talli]
damn
03:16:43 [markd2]
you don't get anything for www.zombo.com ?
03:16:51 [talli]
nope
03:16:57 [markd2]
you have flash?
03:16:59 [talli]
oh, now it works
03:17:16 [markd2]
paje: again!
03:17:16 [paje]
* paje spanks talli
03:17:19 [davb]
oooh cool, it crashes mozilla
03:17:33 [markd2]
oy
03:17:47 [talli]
i am aroused by zombo.com
03:17:53 [markd2]
who knew a little audio and text could be so dangerous
03:18:05 [davb]
I have been crashing mozilla all night. I have been using it since 0.9.5 and now it starts crashing. looks like i need to go to 0.9.9
03:19:28 [davb]
anyone know how to coax out of webalizer _which_ urls caused a 404 error? I can get how many 404s, but not which URLs. I miss that feature of Reporte.
03:23:09 [markd2]
you need a blog of your own
03:23:15 [markd2]
become one of the lame people
03:23:28 [talli]
a blog/
03:23:33 [talli]
a blog? of my own?
03:23:38 [talli]
a girl can only dream...
03:23:56 [talli]
maybe i'll ask zombo.com for help
03:24:32 [talli]
maybe i'll become a camgirl
03:26:26 [davb]
the web will never be the same again
03:27:41 [markd2]
a camgoat
03:27:53 [talli]
paje is a camgirl
03:28:14 [markd2]
a camfire girl
03:28:15 [talli]
markd2, where's your quote file again?
03:28:21 [talli]
found it
03:31:35 [talli]
where is that bastard vinod?
03:31:47 [talli]
has he graduated to php+mysql hacking?
03:32:32 [davb]
I thought he was coming out your way.
03:32:52 [markd2]
he was coming out?
03:33:00 [davb]
to NYC
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03:45:27 [rbm]
Can anyone do an anon cvs checkout of the 4-5 tree?
03:46:56 [davb]
hmmm, never tried.
03:48:31 [davb]
it says permission denied when I do anonymous, but I think its because of my setup...
03:48:53 [davb]
aha. with :pserver: it works
03:49:07 [rbm]
Ah, maybe that's what I'm missing?
03:49:14 [talli]
::
03:49:34 [davb]
cvs -d:pserver:anoynous@openacs.org:/cvsroot checkout -r oacs-4-5 -d openacs-4-5 -P openacs-4
03:49:51 [davb]
you only need that for anonymous.
03:50:30 [rbm]
right
03:50:35 [rbm]
thanks davb
03:50:41 [davb]
np.
04:03:47 [chrismj]
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04:08:34 [chrismj]
has anyone had problems installing bboard on a recent checkout of oacs4? I can't get it to install (dependency acs-messaging not satisfied, even though it's there)
04:16:50 [davb]
are you using the beta 4-5 branch or the main branch?
04:17:03 [davb]
I checked out the 4-5 branch and it worked fine earlier.
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04:22:17 [chrismj]
ok, to follow up to dave's question, I just did a cvs co openacs-4 ... does that imply main branch or beta branch?
04:22:27 [chrismj]
should I check out the 4-5 branch?
04:22:34 [talli]
yes, sir chrismj
04:22:58 [chrismj]
is it more stable than main? and what is the cvs module/label to check out?
04:26:54 [talli]
i do believe it is more stable than main
04:27:07 [talli]
you may want to go look at the logs to find out all that stuff
04:27:30 [chrismj]
changelogs or logs of this channel?
04:27:32 [talli]
this is cvs, so main is where the most unstable stuff is, the main system that is currently being developed
04:27:37 [talli]
logs of this channel
04:27:41 [chrismj]
ok
04:27:44 [talli]
i know they were talking abotu this stuff earlier
04:27:54 [talli]
branches from cvs reflect frozen development stnapshots
04:28:24 [chrismj]
another question, if I look at the UML data models used for ACS 4.6, is that inspired or identical to the data models for oacs4?
04:28:42 [talli]
hmmm... unclear
04:29:11 [chrismj]
I'm just trying to find a nice overview of the organization of the various schemas, and I found a nice acs web page with uml for acs-java,...
04:29:17 [talli]
probably not related, since the UMLs are for queries that are sucked into the persistent layer, yeah?
04:29:35 [chrismj]
I'm not sure what you mean.
04:29:38 [talli]
if not, then that might be something interesting to bring up to the community
04:29:53 [talli]
i think the datamodels for acs java are pretty much the same as those for oacs
04:30:04 [talli]
since acs java is a continuation of acs java
04:30:09 [talli]
acs tcl, sorry
04:30:17 [chrismj]
well, another thing that's been on my mind--are we going to lose arsdigita.com any day now? anyone mirroring some of the important content (like unique modules/docs)?
04:30:19 [chrismj]
gotcha
04:30:27 [chrismj]
that's what I would think
04:30:44 [talli]
but acs java had a persistent layer, so i don't know how that relates to the data model.
04:30:59 [talli]
for acs java or for oacs?
04:31:13 [talli]
we have nothing to do with acs java
04:31:24 [talli]
i think that people have swiped all of the info that is worth keeping
04:31:36 [chrismj]
right, I know that. I know that java was based upon the data models for acs-tcl
04:32:04 [chrismj]
but you say that the java has a persistent layer? is that not the same as a "persistence layer," i.e., a database back-end?
04:32:52 [talli]
sorry persistence layer
04:33:08 [talli]
and no, a persistence layer does not mean that it has a DB backend
04:33:53 [talli]
it refers to, and i could be very wrong but i've read about this enough to not think so, an object oriented system that has been abstracted from a direct procedural relationship with the db
04:34:05 [talli]
so you have an object relational map from the OO framework to the sql DB
04:34:26 [talli]
whoa, that was some serious techno mumbo jumbo i dropped
04:34:28 [chrismj]
the thing is, there is a huge, intricate, and extremely nicely done UML layout of the entire java project on arsdigita
04:34:35 [talli]
that's nice
04:34:38 [talli]
too bad it means nothing
04:34:41 [chrismj]
it would be nice to be able to go by that when understanding oacs
04:34:47 [talli]
becuase it lays out a system that doesn't work
04:34:50 [talli]
you can't
04:34:54 [talli]
totally unrelated applications
04:35:09 [talli]
aD probably spent a lot of money and time making those UML models too
04:35:11 [chrismj]
I think I understand your previous comment. so it's not just the db layer, it's a way of mapping
04:35:22 [talli]
because the nerds there liked that kind of stuff.
04:35:31 [talli]
yeah, persistence layer is a kind of mapping
04:35:39 [talli]
it's very tough to do
04:35:49 [talli]
in fact some say that no one has done it successfully
04:36:06 [chrismj]
I'm having trouble understanding such simple things as, "how do I add a second site administrator" etc.
04:36:09 [talli]
check out ben's a "technical paper on java" in the oacs new-file-storage area
04:36:17 [chrismj]
I'm finding it's impossible without hacking the code
04:36:23 [chrismj]
will check that out
04:36:29 [talli]
the user admin in oacs is horrible
04:36:39 [talli]
unfortunately, the UI has yet to be addressed in OACS
04:36:58 [talli]
we've been getting the code ready for release, cleaning up what we've inherited
04:37:03 [chrismj]
if I can get traction for myself and my project, I'll be ready to help. my understanding is still too spotty
04:37:09 [chrismj]
very cool
04:37:46 [talli]
do you subscribe to the oacs bboards?
04:37:55 [chrismj]
my buddy went through and discovered that one would have to modify the permissions of like 16 pieces to get admin privs for a second user
04:38:20 [talli]
hmmm... i don't think so.
04:38:26 [talli]
have you been to the site map?
04:38:37 [chrismj]
no, will do so. but I read them when I have questions. again, they seem fairly disorganized (have to use search for most of my questions)
04:38:47 [chrismj]
yeah, been to site map
04:39:12 [talli]
you go to the node that you want to provide priveleges on
04:39:24 [talli]
and give someone super user privs
04:39:30 [chrismj]
right, let's pretend that it's all nodes, and I want the new user to be able to add nodes
04:39:35 [talli]
and then i think that you make sure that they inheret
04:39:41 [talli]
that shouldn't be a prob
04:39:53 [talli]
make sure that the person also has super user privs
04:40:12 [chrismj]
how do I set those?
04:41:07 [chrismj]
ok... trying it now. thanks for your patience!
04:41:42 [talli]
no prob
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04:42:58 [chrismj]
still investigating. I will get oacs 4-5 and test against that, if you recommend that as more stable. how do I get it from cvs? or tarball....
04:44:18 [talli]
see if this page helps: http://www.pinds.com/acs-tips/openacs-setup
04:44:27 [talli]
it's done by lars pind, an uber-acs hacker
04:44:30 [talli]
(he wrote workflow)
04:44:33 [chrismj]
very cool!
04:47:04 [talli]
that help?
04:51:24 [chrismj]
somewhat... he just says to get the latest cvs, but I can't find reference to getting the non-main version... 4-5 or whatever.
04:53:09 [talli]
http://members.tripod.com/~sonoguy/
04:53:09 [chump]
C: http://members.tripod.com/~sonoguy/ from talli
04:53:27 [talli]
C: markd2's militia home page. pennsylvanian nuts
04:53:27 [chump]
commented item C
04:53:57 [talli]
C: contain's proof of the Amish POW Camps
04:53:57 [chump]
commented item C
04:56:39 [chrismj]
got it: cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@openacs.org:/cvsroot co -c
04:56:44 [talli]
cool
04:56:45 [talli]
congrats
04:56:47 [chrismj]
gives a list of all modules in there
04:58:09 [chrismj]
don't see this mythical oacs4-5 label, will have to dig more (one only learns as much cvs [etc.] as one needs at a given moment...)
05:08:31 [chrismj]
ok, so I found the labels: initial-dev, oacs-4-5, OpenACS
05:08:56 [chrismj]
I didn't see openacs-4, but that's specified in pinds.com's tips and what I used to check out the system from cvs before.
05:09:27 [chrismj]
I might try a checkout of oacs-4-5 beta... but then again, maybe just update my checkout, since like 20-30 files have changed in the past 2 weeks.
05:10:05 [chrismj]
advice on what to do to install bboard? I go to install it and the dependency does not seem to be met of acs-messaging, even though that's installed. where should I check?
05:33:36 [talli]
ah, you're reaching my limit
05:33:37 [talli]
dunno
05:34:15 [chrismj]
appreciate it --nm
05:35:36 [chrismj]
no problem.
05:39:09 [chrismj]
is the majority of work going on now toward what end for oacs? feature completion, package porting, UI, stability, ...?
05:39:22 [talli]
stability
05:39:45 [chrismj]
ok, that's what I told my bud--so cvs'ing every once in a while will go toward stability updates
05:40:08 [talli]
yes, very much so
05:40:25 [talli]
what are you guys working on/>
05:40:26 [talli]
?
05:41:15 [chrismj]
well, two things for now: 1) the UT Austin Student Engineering Council web site and my personal pages (efficient for me to learn at home, too)
05:41:28 [talli]
oh, cool
05:41:39 [talli]
well, you should be riding toddg hard if that's what you're trying to do
05:41:43 [talli]
get his ass to build it for you
05:41:57 [chrismj]
I'm looking personally long term with my involvement, because I want to use it for myself in the next 5 years
05:42:07 [talli]
coo;
05:42:08 [chrismj]
why toddg?
05:42:20 [chrismj]
I know he's on his way down to UT in the fall or something...
05:42:46 [talli]
oh, right
05:42:48 [talli]
he's in dallas
05:43:08 [talli]
he's also a loser
05:43:09 [chrismj]
really, the other (and primary) issue for such a group is to get the people trained up on the system and feeling ownership so it can be perpetuated and properly extended for their needs
05:43:17 [talli]
denshi, you're a loser.
05:43:27 [talli]
paje, denshi is a loser
05:43:27 [paje]
OK, talli.
05:43:33 [talli]
paje, who's denshi?
05:43:33 [paje]
denshi is a loser
05:43:34 [chrismj]
so that's why I'm getting a few people together to build this (UI, graphics, db, programming)
05:43:36 [talli]
hahahahahaha
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talli++
13:17:08 [markd2]
that beaver county militia is awesome
13:17:12 [markd2]
I need to renew my membership
13:17:14 [markd2]
er, join
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14:31:31 [markd2]
wheeeee
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14:41:46 [markd2]
the world needs more techno covers of Enya songs
14:49:20 [rbm]
markd2: oh?
14:49:29 [rbm]
That should be interesting
14:51:45 [markd2]
I think once Vinod gets his hip-hop rap band together, that should be a top priority
14:52:04 [markd2]
gitdown!
14:52:05 [paje]
gitfunky
14:52:19 [rbm]
morning blueboy
14:52:24 [rbm]
err, wrong window
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15:25:53 [talli]
markd2, you weren't a member of the beaver county militia before? i mean, a FOUNDING member?
15:26:14 [talli]
i know how you're commitment to non-violence has been voilent at times.
15:27:40 [markd2]
I'll kill anyone who isn't non-violent enough
15:27:55 [talli]
that's the spirit
15:31:55 [markd2]
* markd2 piddies da foo
15:32:40 [talli]
don't forget to wash your hands
15:32:47 [talli]
employees always have to wash their hands
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15:51:22 [markd2]
choooo!!!!!
15:51:43 [talli]
gesuntheit
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15:55:58 [talli]
and so i said, "davb, get your fingers out of my" - oh hi, davb
16:00:18 [davb]
heh
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17:09:20 [davb]
can you insert into a view?
17:11:00 [davb]
* davb thinks not
17:11:47 [markd2]
in oracle, you can, sorta
17:12:08 [markd2]
actualy, I think if the view has all of the not-null columns in it, you can
17:12:16 [markd2]
and if it's a more complicated view, you can have an 'instead of' trigger to do the right thing
17:12:21 [davb]
ah. ok. interesting.
17:12:47 [davb]
ah spiffy.
17:13:27 [davb]
anyway, I think workflow is missing some useful pl/sql apis to add callbacks and other things programmers need to do. I really don't like inserting directly into the tables. (or views :)
17:13:50 [talli]
you may want to post that to the bboards, davb
17:14:15 [talli]
btw, i'm hiring lars to start building a new SDM
17:14:28 [davb]
talli: I will. when I look into it more. probably this weekend.
17:14:33 [davb]
really cool!
17:14:37 [talli]
he's consulting on a project for us starting in a couple of weeks, and in the meantime he's got no work
17:14:43 [talli]
so i asked him if he'd do this.
17:14:58 [talli]
he's ideal. no need to ask someone to learn how to use workflow first :)
17:15:03 [davb]
right.
17:15:31 [davb]
we need a system where if noone wants to work on a package, but several people want it built, they can donate money to be collected on delivery of the package.
17:15:35 [talli]
if you have any ideas for how to improve SDM, post 'em on the boards so that he can incorporate them intot he design
17:15:41 [talli]
that's a good idea
17:16:06 [davb]
we probably need to setup an OpenACS foundation or something for that though.
17:16:19 [talli]
perhaps
17:16:29 [talli]
i'm a member of the jabber software foundation, and it's a mess, though
17:16:52 [talli]
(i got on it on a technicality. they were offering open signups for a bit, and i just happened to sign up in time)
17:17:03 [davb]
I didn't say it was a good idea, just if OpenACS the project collects money, it needs to be a legal entity. I think we are doing better without it for now.
17:17:07 [talli]
totally inefficient, no one knows what it does, etc.
17:17:14 [talli]
yeah, you're right
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17:17:50 [talli]
everybody hide! denshi's here!
17:17:55 [talli]
paje, who's denshi?
17:17:55 [paje]
well, denshi is a loser
17:18:04 [talli]
paje, botsnack
17:18:04 [paje]
thanks talli :)
17:18:17 [denshi]
paje, denshi has found a new hovze.
17:18:17 [paje]
denshi: sorry...
17:18:38 [talli]
denshi is a loser who can't spell
17:18:42 [talli]
paje, who's denshi?
17:18:42 [paje]
denshi is a loser
17:18:52 [denshi]
paje, denshi is your new master
17:18:52 [paje]
...but denshi is a loser...
17:18:52 [talli]
paje, denshi is a loser who can't spell
17:18:53 [paje]
no idea, talli
17:19:04 [talli]
denshi, tell paje who you are
17:19:17 [denshi]
hahaha... when does paje flush cache?
17:19:28 [davb]
paje: forget denshi
17:19:28 [paje]
davb: I forgot denshi
17:19:37 [davb]
denshi?
17:19:50 [davb]
paje: denshi?
17:19:51 [paje]
wish i knew, davb
17:20:02 [talli]
paje, davb is a turncoat who supports the rebel forces commanded by the pirate denshi
17:20:02 [paje]
talli: i haven't a clue
17:20:17 [davb]
darn, that was a good one.
17:20:20 [talli]
davb is a turncoat who supports the rebel forces commanded by the pirate denshi
17:20:26 [talli]
paje, who is davb
17:20:26 [paje]
i guess davb is going to setup an ETP for davb's top secret project under a restricted directory.
17:20:30 [talli]
damn!
17:20:39 [davb]
paje: forget davb
17:20:39 [paje]
davb: I forgot davb
17:20:49 [talli]
the timing is all wrong now :(
17:20:53 [talli]
dam you denshi!
17:21:25 [talli]
check out this bug tracking ASP's demo: http://www.bugcentral.com/demo.wp
17:21:33 [talli]
OACS has 90% of the functionality already
17:40:28 [denshi]
paje, where is chrismj?
17:40:28 [paje]
denshi: i don't know
17:41:50 [talli]
what's going on, denshi? how's life?
17:42:08 [denshi]
like I said, I was victorious in the house quest.
17:42:10 [talli]
and you're hot new roommate?
17:42:37 [talli]
did you return with the head of a real estate broker?
17:43:26 [denshi]
no, I'm out of real-estate-broker-head shelf space.
17:43:37 [denshi]
yes on the roommate.
17:43:58 [talli]
whoa. you've quested often, then, denshi warrior
17:44:21 [denshi]
paje: forget denshi
17:44:21 [paje]
denshi, I didn't have anything matching denshi
17:44:54 [denshi]
denshi is a 12-level warrior with a house hunting specialization.
17:44:55 [talli]
paje, denshi is a wonderful florist
17:44:55 [paje]
...but denshi is a 12-level warrior with a house hunting specialization....
17:45:00 [talli]
damn you denshi!
17:45:07 [denshi]
you fool!
17:45:27 [talli]
i was snookered again!
17:45:48 [talli]
talli is now known as hermandelgadofunkelberger
17:46:12 [hermandelgadofunkelberger]
hermandelgadofunkelberger is the best cat in the world
17:46:16 [hermandelgadofunkelberger]
hermandelgadofunkelberger is now known as talli
17:46:28 [talli]
paje, who's hermandelgadofunkelberger?
17:46:29 [paje]
i heard hermandelgadofunkelberger was the best cat in the world
17:46:32 [talli]
booya
17:52:37 [markd2]
hermandelgadofunkelberger is also | <action> spanks talli
17:52:38 [paje]
okay, markd2.
17:52:48 [markd2]
hermandelgadofunkelberger
17:52:49 [paje]
* paje spanks talli
17:52:51 [markd2]
hermandelgadofunkelberger
17:52:51 [paje]
hermandelgadofunkelberger is the best cat in the world
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17:55:16 [talli]
that's funny. the real hermandelgadofunkelberger spanks me too
17:55:23 [durden_]
hi guys
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18:00:44 [miguel_]
hi people
18:00:51 [miguel_]
hi talli
18:01:07 [miguel_]
back from my finals (finally :) )
18:02:21 [talli]
hey miguel_
18:03:40 [miguel_]
see that someone took my nickname, had to change it :)
18:03:46 [miguel_]
how things are going?
18:04:01 [miguel_]
i have to go back to my work of openacs and the problem sets
18:04:15 [talli]
cool
18:04:23 [talli]
you still working on the 3.x psets?
18:05:04 [miguel_]
yes
18:05:10 [miguel_]
i left it in the second one
18:05:22 [miguel_]
had no time because of my exams, assignments, etc
18:05:32 [miguel_]
i finished yesterday my last exam
18:05:50 [miguel_]
i took this day off for doing nothing
18:05:59 [miguel_]
and tomorrow i will have to start over again
18:06:05 [denshi]
miguel, what are you starting from?
18:06:22 [miguel_]
from second pset why?
18:06:56 [denshi]
no, i mean from the aD versions on Oracle or on the Postgres versions I wrote in 2000?
18:08:10 [miguel_]
oracle versions
18:08:38 [miguel_]
i am trying to port them
18:08:55 [miguel_]
do u have all of them ported to PG?
18:09:10 [talli]
miguel_, why the 3.x psets? no one uses those anymore
18:09:41 [miguel_]
i know i know
18:09:51 [miguel_]
ok i have to go to a different computer room
18:10:01 [miguel_]
i will be back in 15-30 minutes
18:10:05 [miguel_]
see u then
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18:10:29 [denshi]
boy, that's some seriously mobile computing.
18:15:46 [talli]
oh shit
18:16:00 [talli]
now instead of competing with aD, we're competing with redhat
18:17:26 [denshi]
are you reading something in another window, talli? what inspired that outburst?
18:17:43 [talli]
http://www.redhat.com/about/presscenter/2002/FAQ_ArsDigita.html
18:17:44 [chump]
D: http://www.redhat.com/about/presscenter/2002/FAQ_ArsDigita.html from talli
18:17:53 [talli]
D: RedHat's release regarding the aD acquisition
18:17:54 [chump]
commented item D
18:20:04 [denshi]
oh shit.
18:20:46 [denshi]
at least they'll stop that ADPL nonsense.
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18:31:48 [talli]
hahahaha
18:31:59 [talli]
armenta is a big mistake. where did you see that?
18:32:33 [talli]
MAYBE they'll stop that ADPL nonsense
18:33:57 [markd2]
Armenta was the proposed 'product name' for acs/java
18:34:08 [markd2]
there was a Big Stink when a PDF with the name and the logo got leaked to the ex-ad community
18:34:17 [talli]
where's the logo now?
18:34:23 [markd2]
although neither the PDF nor the email said 'company confidential'
18:34:28 [markd2]
dunno
18:35:03 [talli]
i'm amazed they're going to continue developing ACS-J
18:35:10 [talli]
i wonder if they'll keep building bebop too
18:35:22 [talli]
i guess they have money to burn?
18:35:51 [markd2]
at least with burning you have the side benefit of heat
18:35:56 [markd2]
they'll probably just be flushing it
18:36:11 [talli]
haha
18:36:24 [talli]
the thing is they're going to get some massive clients now
18:36:29 [talli]
just because they say they have a java toolkit
18:36:37 [talli]
and they have the redhat name to back them up
18:36:48 [talli]
so maybe they'll kludge the thing together
18:36:50 [denshi]
did RH not have a java toolkit before?
18:37:06 [talli]
nope
18:39:44 [talli]
why is that a secret?
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19:28:26 [denshi]
regarding aD, who exactly went to RH in the purchase?
19:28:43 [talli]
unclear
19:31:33 [denshi]
this is at least promising -- RH could finance some neat stuff.
19:33:44 [talli]
maybe, but like what?
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19:40:29 [denshi]
I don't have anything in mind; but the chance is there, and it wasn't there as aD burned out.
19:41:52 [davb]
is redhat contributing anything back to postgresql?
19:43:08 [talli]
they are contributing a lot, AFAIK. aren't they pretty active on the PG dev list?
19:44:28 [davb]
could be, I haven't looked :)
19:47:25 [markd2]
all of the folks who knew anything about tcl were jettisonned
19:47:33 [markd2]
so if anything does get done with dementia, it'll all be in the java world
19:48:45 [talli]
dementia == armenta?
19:49:54 [markd2]
"armentos", the hands of fate
20:03:55 [denshi]
after "hands of fate" we can sell the movie we make MST3k'ing it.
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23:07:11 [rbm]
d-d-d-did you guys get the Red Hat e-mail?
23:07:38 [bloated_mitchell]
yeah
23:08:55 [bloated_mitchell]
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23:09:06 [docwolf]
i'm not sure why they sent that letter out
23:09:26 [denshi]
just to tell us they're coming, I imagine.
23:09:28 [rbm]
I'm still baffled at that
23:10:07 [docwolf]
the whole thing is weird.
23:11:58 [rbm]
I guess they'll continue on the Java path
23:13:02 [rbm]
* rbm eyes beta1
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* shagster blinks
23:26:46 [shagster]
Hey, the beta is out
23:27:04 [davb]
woohoo!
23:27:08 [davb]
is there a link?
23:27:14 [davb]
gotta go, bbl
23:27:20 [shagster]
* shagster cares little about RedHat
23:27:42 [davb]
to the beta release :)
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23:47:17 [jim]
re
23:48:02 [denshi]
a drop of golden run?
23:48:08 [denshi]
s/run/sun/
23:48:18 [denshi]
mi
23:48:38 [jim]
raye
23:50:34 [denshi]
okay, I don't know this song.
23:50:40 [denshi]
how are you, jim?
23:50:42 [jim]
meetoo :)
23:50:50 [jim]
I'm good :)
23:52:02 [talli]
paje forget denshi
23:52:02 [paje]
talli: I forgot denshi
23:52:31 [talli]
denshi is a pirate of the southern narbluan sea of the east farties
23:52:43 [denshi]
paje: denshi?
23:52:43 [paje]
you are, like, a pirate of the southern narbluan sea of the east farties
23:52:49 [denshi]
paje: talli?
23:52:49 [paje]
i think talli is the BSDM
23:52:56 [denshi]
paje forget talli
23:52:56 [paje]
denshi: I forgot talli
23:53:13 [denshi]
talli is denshi's cabin boy.
23:53:34 [talli]
woo hoo!
23:53:53 [rbm]
paje: I'm tired.
23:53:53 [paje]
rbm: excuse me?
23:54:00 [rbm]
paje: offer me a massage
23:54:00 [paje]
rbm: huh?
23:54:13 [talli]
paje's giving massages???
23:54:15 [rbm]
paje: botsnack
23:54:16 [paje]
thanks rbm :)
23:54:20 [rbm]
paje: slashdot
23:54:24 [paje]
Slashdot - Updated 2002-03-13 23:32:29 | Mapping The CIA Nonclassified Network | Interview with Gary Gygax | Red Hat Explains ArsDigita Purchase | Google's Weakness, AltaVista's Strength
23:55:12 [talli]
uh oh
23:58:13 [denshi]
talli: uh oh? are you afraid the /. guys are going to sue us for stealing their hard work?
23:58:34 [denshi]
* denshi reads the new