IRC log of openacs on 2002-03-11

Timestamps are in UTC.

00:00:03 [talli]

so ... what does that mean?

00:00:05 [markd2]

it's slowly regaining the feature set from the 2.3 days

00:00:07 [rbm]

If you look on the AOLserver 4 tree, you'll see a nsvhr directory there

00:00:31 [talli]

markd2, what was the disconnect between 2.3 and 3?

00:00:42 [rbm]

It means that the C api has all the hooks for virtual hosts. On the 3.x days it didn't.

00:00:47 [talli]

aol ignored th community for 3?

00:01:17 [markd2]

The DC folks didn't like virtual hosting and the 'extra fetures' they didn't use

00:01:20 [markd2]

so they just cut 'em out

00:01:27 [talli]

ah

00:02:13 [talli]

rbm, sorry if i'm a little behind. but what you're saying is that in order to get virtual hosting to work, some extra work needs to be done? download nsvhr or something?

00:02:43 [rbm]

talli: No, in 4.0 it's already there.

00:02:52 [talli]

ah, cool

00:03:10 [talli]

so one just needs to configure the virtual host parameters to make it work?

00:03:52 [rbm]

yeah

00:03:59 [talli]

nice

00:09:20 [talli]

i was going to ask you if there is a readme or an far in the 4 download that included a list of the new features

00:19:30 [davb]

someone over from activestate tcl has been working on it.

00:19:58 [davb]

but not alot of changes sine last year in the changelog

00:23:11 [rbm]

Jeff Hobbs. He's very famous in the Tcl community.

00:24:22 [davb]

cool. I think he is updated AOLserver 4 to work with the latest Tcl.

00:24:50 [davb]

* davb has an idea for ETP 2.0

00:25:19 [rbm]

Jim Davidson outlined what you need to do to get AOLserver with the latest Tcl in a post this week. It's pretty simple.

00:25:23 [davb]

index-templates with named sections, if you have a page with that name under it, it appears in that space in the template.

00:26:32 [rbm]

Jeff Hobbs is taking the (much smarter) memory allocator from AOLserver and putting it in mainstream Tcl

00:26:44 [davb]

ah, the other direction. that is also very cool.

00:26:53 [rbm]

When that's done, than any Tcl (with the new mem allocator) will work with AOLserver.

00:27:19 [rbm]

well, bbl

00:27:19 [davb]

I even had a better idea, that when the new ETP instance is created the named sections/pages are created with placeholder content...

00:29:59 [markd2]

the return of Lorum ipsum!

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00:47:26 [markd2]

alltel?

00:47:26 [paje]

alltel are a bunch of wankers

00:47:30 [markd2]

paje++,

00:57:34 [docwolf]

nuke expert??

00:57:40 [docwolf]

are you crazy?

00:57:46 [docwolf]

i got hacked!

00:57:47 [docwolf]

:-)

01:07:12 [talli]

docwolf, was your nuke install running apache virtual hosting?

01:07:18 [talli]

ZING!!!!

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01:21:22 [markd2]

markd2 is now known as ^o-o^

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^o-o^ is now known as markd2

01:21:42 [CodeConnoiseur]

CodeConnoiseur is now known as Oo\\\D

01:21:46 [Oo\\\D]

wuzzup.

01:22:56 [davb]

* davb wonders how often markd2 turns into a pair of glasses...

01:23:04 [Oo\\\D]

Oo\\\D is now known as rzolf

01:24:26 [markd2]

heh

01:24:32 [markd2]

you're not the Real Code Connoisseur!

01:25:28 [docwolf]

talli: F-U! :-)

01:31:18 [rzolf]

hi

01:31:18 [paje]

hey, rzolf

01:32:17 [rzolf]

guys. i wasn't aware kelly lebrock had put on so much weight.

01:32:31 [docwolf]

uh oh. you try keeping up with steven segal

01:32:54 [rzolf]

she moved back to kentucky.

01:33:11 [docwolf]

what? she left sensei steve?

01:33:22 [talli]

kelly lebrock?

01:33:53 [talli]

are we returning to our childhoods?

01:34:47 [docwolf]

my name is _chet_

01:35:04 [rzolf]

my favorite work of hers was the pantene commersial

01:35:06 [rzolf]

cial.

01:35:09 [talli]

cosmic

01:35:41 [rzolf]

guys, only 14 more days until kelly lebrock's birthday.

01:35:49 [docwolf]

what was your fave segal film?

01:35:58 [docwolf]

or were you more of a van damme sort of man?

01:36:22 [rzolf]

i've never seen a segal or van damme film in its entirety.

01:36:33 [docwolf]

I CALL BULLSHIT

01:36:36 [rzolf]

?

01:36:41 [docwolf]

you've never seen....

01:36:44 [docwolf]

universal soldier?

01:36:46 [rzolf]

or maybe i have?

01:36:50 [rzolf]

no i dont think i have.

01:36:50 [docwolf]

bloodsport?

01:37:12 [rzolf]

i've seen like 1/4 of some segal movie on cable.

01:37:14 [docwolf]

that one where segal is an indian from alaska, and michael caine has too much makeup?

01:38:12 [rzolf]

i'll have to say out of the two, even though i'm not really familiar with their work, i prefer van damme.

01:38:48 [rzolf]

but mainly i'm more concerned with kelly lebrock.

01:38:53 [rzolf]

i hope she's doing ok.

01:38:55 [docwolf]

segal's films are more compeling, because you are constantly amazed that such a fat, greasy, talentless dude can get work

01:39:00 [docwolf]

and get lebrock

01:39:01 [markd2]

She's a Survivor

01:39:49 [markd2]

fine. get me all excited

01:39:56 [rzolf]

hold on

01:40:03 [rzolf]

i have some recent photos of kelly lebrock.

01:40:20 [docwolf]

oh no

01:40:22 [docwolf]

please don't

01:40:44 [markd2]

jpeg! jpeg!

01:41:02 [markd2]

you should email the guy that runs retrocrush.

01:41:06 [markd2]

he can probably come up with some good photos

01:41:10 [rzolf]

http://www.wcr.com/products/

01:41:11 [chump]

A: http://www.wcr.com/products/ from rzolf

01:41:15 [docwolf]

oh no

01:41:52 [docwolf]

christ

01:42:03 [docwolf]

time is cruel.

01:42:15 [rzolf]

i wonder if she's available.

01:42:27 [docwolf]

http://us.imdb.com/Name?Seagal,+Steven

01:42:27 [chump]

B: http://us.imdb.com/Name?Seagal,+Steven from docwolf

01:44:12 [markd2]

woot! 168 bytes a second!

01:44:25 [davb]

oh my

01:44:30 [markd2]

damn. now Her picture has stalled

01:44:33 [markd2]

all I see is a hat now

01:44:40 [davb]

phew, that was close...

01:44:53 [davb]

you are really lucky your connection sucks.

01:45:27 [talli]

anyone have any idea about where to get good refurbished macs?

01:45:36 [rzolf]

compusa

01:45:45 [talli]

really?

01:45:49 [rzolf]

no.

01:46:01 [rzolf]

but i got a display model for a good deal.

01:47:56 [talli]

is steven segal still married to kelly lebrock?

01:48:07 [talli]

guess not

01:48:13 [talli]

but damn, they have three kids together

01:48:34 [docwolf]

it's time to repurpose wolf bioscience.

01:48:44 [docwolf]

we must commense telomerase research immediately.

01:48:48 [talli]

" Arrissa, his youngest child with LeBrock, was named after the family nanny. Seagal then got involved romantically with the nanny who then became pregnant with his child."

01:48:51 [docwolf]

because this aging shit is out of control.

01:51:33 [docwolf]

http://www.etonline.com/celebrity/a9205.htm

01:51:33 [chump]

C: http://www.etonline.com/celebrity/a9205.htm from docwolf

01:51:55 [docwolf]

more proof that it's a man's world....

01:53:23 [talli]

C: It's a magical moment between two celebrities. - Bill Shatner

01:53:24 [chump]

commented item C

01:53:59 [docwolf]

whoa

01:54:03 [docwolf]

http://williamshatner.com/

01:54:03 [chump]

D: http://williamshatner.com/ from docwolf

01:54:50 [docwolf]

what the hell is this

01:55:38 [docwolf]

that's it.

01:55:44 [docwolf]

time for me to get my own crappy scifi show

01:55:44 [rzolf]

rzolf is now known as CigarGeneral

01:55:56 [docwolf]

At attention, cigar lieutenents!

01:56:01 [CigarGeneral]

lieutenants, I implore you.

01:56:19 [markd2]

* markd2 implodes

01:56:35 [docwolf]

General, the pleasure police accosted me as I was enjoying my rich Opus Fuente Fuente IV last night at Pete's Steakhouse.

01:56:38 [docwolf]

what should I have done?

01:58:22 [docwolf]

I told him it was my god-given right as an american to savor the pleasures of a fine cameroon-skinned product, but he was clearly ignorant of our country's heritage.

01:58:43 [docwolf]

so, i got thrown out. and i think a black crown vic followed me home. please help.

02:00:38 [davb]

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02:01:01 [CigarGeneral]

whoa. sorry, i was away polishing my monacle.

02:01:09 [docwolf]

please help general

02:01:17 [docwolf]

i see a helecopter now

02:01:28 [docwolf]

i'm pretty sure it is the secret service

02:01:51 [talli]

mmmm.... boca must be real nice this time of year

02:02:01 [markd2]

or whatever they're smoking down there

02:02:19 [docwolf]

general, when are you going to update your HomePage on the interweb?

02:02:29 [docwolf]

i keep look,in g for hot infoz but can't find any

02:02:33 [docwolf]

http://www.smokethis.com/contact.html

02:02:33 [chump]

E: http://www.smokethis.com/contact.html from docwolf

02:04:10 [docwolf]

http://cigarfamily.com/Cigars/ff_opusx.htm

02:04:11 [chump]

F: http://cigarfamily.com/Cigars/ff_opusx.htm from docwolf

02:04:23 [CigarGeneral]

heh

02:04:38 [CigarGeneral]

hm, my cigar general skills are no match for yours. i'm an impostor.

02:04:51 [CigarGeneral]

CigarGeneral is now known as toddfalcon

02:05:15 [docwolf]

holy _crap_

02:05:19 [docwolf]

cigars cost $60 a piece?

02:05:32 [docwolf]

this must be a typo

02:05:37 [docwolf]

http://www.cigarwerks.com/cigars.ihtml?step=2&cat_id=6\

02:05:37 [chump]

G: http://www.cigarwerks.com/cigars.ihtml?step=2&cat_id=6\ from docwolf

02:05:50 [docwolf]

http://www.cigarwerks.com/cigars.ihtml?step=3&prod_id=41

02:06:00 [docwolf]

insane

02:08:17 [talli]

http://www.smalldog.com

02:08:18 [chump]

H: http://www.smalldog.com from talli

02:08:32 [talli]

H: Small Dog - seems like a good place for mac stuff.

02:08:32 [docwolf]

docwolf is now known as RicoTubbs

02:08:32 [chump]

commented item H

02:08:37 [talli]

RicoTubbs!!!!

02:08:58 [RicoTubbs]

anyone want a palm reading?

02:09:13 [toddfalcon]

whoa.

02:09:14 [toddfalcon]

tubbs.

02:09:17 [talli]

* talli hears electronic bongos in the background as he closes his eyes and dreams of flying fast over the south florida waters

02:09:29 [talli]

toddfalcon? isn't that a gay porn star?

02:09:35 [toddfalcon]

www.toddfalcon.com

02:10:05 [talli]

worse

02:10:08 [talli]

a skater

02:10:27 [RicoTubbs]

RicoTubbs is now known as Ben_Schumin

02:10:41 [Ben_Schumin]

whew. this fits me much better.

02:11:18 [talli]

i wonder if Ben_Schumin can kick docwolf's ass

02:11:37 [Ben_Schumin]

care to find out? (I'm ready for the pay-per-view if he is)

02:12:15 [talli]

maybe after vanilla ice and todd bridges throw down

02:12:18 [Ben_Schumin]

schuman would wear those tights like '70s pro wrestlers used to

02:12:25 [Ben_Schumin]

with the straps

02:12:37 [talli]

and docwolf would only wear a chin strap

02:12:56 [Ben_Schumin]

he'd come bounding into the ring

02:12:58 [Ben_Schumin]

with a camera

02:13:04 [Ben_Schumin]

take a few pictures

02:13:13 [Ben_Schumin]

talk about the hot dogs he ate on the way to the arena

02:13:28 [toddfalcon]

ikea has 99 cent hot dogs.

02:13:40 [Ben_Schumin]

and FroYo?

02:14:31 [toddfalcon]

poor schumin.

02:14:49 [Ben_Schumin]

schumin rocks.

02:15:02 [Ben_Schumin]

he is living a life of quiet despiration on the web, and I bet none of his classmates realize it.

02:15:45 [toddfalcon]

i prefer to live my life of quiet desperation on IRC, word gets around more quickly that way.

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02:16:18 [Ben_Schumin]

IRC is hard-core loserville though... unless you "come here for the porn"

02:16:43 [Ben_Schumin]

it's like the difference between talking about wanting to commit suicide, and actually doing it.

02:17:01 [talli]

how big is wolfbioscience worldwide HQ that its staff must converse electronically?

02:17:21 [Ben_Schumin]

our operation is the size of several football fields.

02:17:31 [toddfalcon]

also i dont really exist in real life.

02:18:10 [talli]

toddfalcon, does Ben_Schumin make you listen to his mp3 collection?

02:18:25 [talli]

btw, Ben_Schumin, have you specced the handspring treo?

02:18:55 [Ben_Schumin]

Schuman has never seen a treo, though he does have a samsung I300

02:19:02 [toddfalcon]

i just put one night in bankok and straight outta compton on repeat.

02:19:14 [talli]

nice

02:20:17 [talli]

i often put fear of a black planet on the 11 of my stereo and open up the windows of my loft to tell tribeca how it really is

02:20:45 [toddfalcon]

still some quiver when i deliver

02:21:15 [talli]

from lil kim

02:21:57 [Ben_Schumin]

Ben_Schumin is now known as somatomedin

02:22:08 [toddfalcon]

lil kim is saucy.

02:22:26 [talli]

i think i'm going to go hang out with some goth sysadmins at a cyber cafe in the east village

02:22:53 [toddfalcon]

ugh.

02:23:03 [somatomedin]

you think shatner's daughter is available?

02:23:16 [somatomedin]

http://williamshatner.com/lisabethspace/index.asp

02:23:16 [chump]

I: http://williamshatner.com/lisabethspace/index.asp from somatomedin

02:25:17 [markd2]

HA HA HA HA SEE IF YOUR RADISH GOD CAN SAVE YOU NOW!!!!

02:25:50 [somatomedin]

hmm

02:25:53 [somatomedin]

is it possible

02:25:53 [hazmat]

goth sysadmins ? i miss nyc...

02:26:02 [somatomedin]

that the wolflens software will not be taken seriously?

02:26:25 [toddfalcon]

http://www02.u-page.so-net.ne.jp/tb3/kaka/gallery/teba/daikon.gif

02:26:25 [chump]

J: http://www02.u-page.so-net.ne.jp/tb3/kaka/gallery/teba/daikon.gif from toddfalcon

02:26:56 [somatomedin]

I prefer praying to spaghetti squash, but that's just me.

02:28:34 [toddfalcon]

i thought all sysadmins were goth.

02:29:05 [markd2]

cool! DocWolf sells used cars!

02:29:19 [somatomedin]

our prospects our good.

02:29:32 [somatomedin]

and it's all because harry carpenter took the time to work with us.

02:29:42 [toddfalcon]

i'm reviewing my prospects now.

02:31:07 [somatomedin]

"Have you ever wanted to wear The Schumin Web on a t-shirt? Or perhaps have a mouse pad of it? Or a mug, perhaps? Check out the online store, recently repositioned for better visibility, complete with shopping cart for your convenience.

02:31:22 [somatomedin]

pure genius.

02:35:12 [toddfalcon]

are there any packages similar to HTTPUnit that aren't in java.

02:35:31 [talli]

there's something in python

02:35:51 [toddfalcon]

what is it called.

02:36:00 [talli]

pyunit?

02:36:09 [toddfalcon]

oh. pyunit.

02:36:18 [toddfalcon]

yeah that's not really what i'm looking for.

02:36:31 [toddfalcon]

wait what does httpunit do, anyway.

02:38:21 [markd2]

what units is your http in anyway?

02:38:27 [toddfalcon]

sweet there is some http thing built on top of pyunit.

02:38:37 [toddfalcon]

sometimes it is just a unit.

02:45:46 [toddfalcon]

hrmpf

02:46:02 [markd2]

your "unit" is open

02:47:00 [toddfalcon]

toddfalcon is now known as rzolf

02:47:11 [rzolf]

this unit testing framework sucks.

02:50:54 [rzolf]

in javascript.

02:51:05 [markd2]

does it suck in java too?

02:51:10 [rzolf]

dunno.

02:52:07 [rzolf]

in javascript, if i have a function doing form validation that opens an alert box.

02:52:30 [rzolf]

what do i need to do to make the form reset once i click on the alert box button.

02:52:41 [markd2]

be sure to valide the data on the server side too

02:52:56 [rzolf]

haha. ARGH

02:53:06 [somatomedin]

somatomedin is now known as Bloated_Drunken_Mitchell

02:53:15 [markd2]

Mitchell!!

02:53:16 [rzolf]

i hope that isn't the real answer

02:53:18 [rzolf]

because if it is

02:53:30 [markd2]

nah - you can do that stuff in javascript land

02:53:54 [rzolf]

here is what happens: if I don't have anything in my form

02:53:55 [markd2]

but you still need to verify the stuff on the server

02:54:17 [rzolf]

javascript sucks.

02:54:58 [rzolf]

why is my grandmother going to slovakia.

02:55:05 [rzolf]

my world is caving in.

03:02:49 [Bloated_Drunken_Mitchell]

does openacs encrypt passwords?

03:03:50 [markd2]

yeah, I think so

03:04:29 [Bloated_Drunken_Mitchell]

ok. good.

03:04:36 [Bloated_Drunken_Mitchell]

i run a fairly large vbulletin community

03:04:39 [Bloated_Drunken_Mitchell]

(1000+ users)

03:04:46 [Bloated_Drunken_Mitchell]

and.. get this.. i just looked at the data model.

03:04:52 [Bloated_Drunken_Mitchell]

the passwords aren't encrypted.

03:04:59 [Bloated_Drunken_Mitchell]

this is possibly the stupidest thing i've seen today.

03:05:45 [markd2]

* markd2 avoids making a snide rzolf-related comment

03:07:37 [Bloated_Drunken_Mitchell]

i take it back; the stupidest thing i saw today was a quote from the CEO of microsoft about "good software"

03:08:43 [markd2]

iCodeGoodly

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03:13:10 [markd2]

hibye

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03:29:41 [Bloated_Drunken_Mitchell]

anyone know of a good site where i can get a dropdown list of countries to put in a web form?

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03:49:16 [talilee]

hey rbm, what is the name of the debian package to install for ssh?

03:50:05 [talilee]

i'm sorry for always asking debian quesitons

03:50:14 [talilee]

i tried apt-cache search ssh and that wasn't much help

03:51:29 [markd2]

openssh?

03:51:35 [talilee]

no, that doesn't work

03:51:58 [markd2]

asking my friend in #wplug

03:52:01 [markd2]

he says openssh

03:52:04 [talilee]

cool, thanks

03:54:52 [talilee]

weird. ok

03:54:53 [talilee]

thaniks

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06:09:02 [rafa]

hello

06:17:03 [rafa]

anyone?

06:24:53 [rbm]

hi

06:24:53 [paje]

hi, rbm

06:25:00 [rbm]

what's up paje?

06:32:26 [rafa]

hi rbm, paje

06:32:27 [paje]

rafa: sorry...

06:33:00 [rafa]

I just downloaded the 4.5 from cvs and have the same problem with groups

06:33:44 [rafa]

could anyone follow the steps with me? It has a bug, but there must be a way around

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06:37:59 [rbm]

what problem?

06:38:10 [rbm]

have you asked about this 'problem' in the bboards?

06:38:51 [rafa]

rbm: yes I asked 2 weeks ago, no one answered.

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06:39:40 [rbm]

huh. weird. You're Rafael Cavo I presume?

06:39:57 [rafa]

yes

06:40:25 [rbm]

Hmmm, what's your e-mail address?

06:40:30 [rafa]

http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000465&topic_id=OpenACSÌ%2e0%20Testing&topic=14

06:40:31 [chump]

K: http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000465&topic_id=OpenACSÌ%2e0%20Testing&topic=14 from rafa

06:40:48 [rafa]

is the post, my email is rafa@ee.usyd.edu.au

06:41:22 [rafa]

rcalvo@sinaptico.com on oacs.org

06:41:26 [rbm]

let me get to th pages yo're referring to

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06:43:33 [rbm]

One reason for the lack of responses to your question might be that it is poorly formulated. I can't really understand what error you're getting or what wrong behavior you're seeing.

06:44:02 [rafa]

I know, I guess I was not careful (lack of sleep maybe)

06:44:06 [rbm]

You need to make it easier for people looking at your question to be able to respond it by giving them as much information as possible.

06:44:17 [rafa]

:-(

06:44:44 [rbm]

What's the URL you're seeing the problem at? What do the logs say?

06:45:03 [rbm]

s/URL/URI/

06:45:59 [rafa]

admin/relations/add?exact%5fp=t&group%5fid=2442&allow%5fout%5fof%5fscope%5fp=f&return%5furl=%2fadmin%2fgroups%2fone%3fgroup%5fid%3d2442&rel_type=membership_rel

06:46:13 [rafa]

should give a list of usersto be added at a group

06:47:16 [rafa]

1. I create a group pp

06:47:44 [rafa]

2. go to its admin page -> add member

06:48:14 [rafa]

3, You get membership relation and user profile

06:48:53 [rafa]

The user already exists so you go to mem. relation

06:48:56 [rbm]

what's "pp"?

06:49:17 [rafa]

a name for a group, lets call it "intranet"

06:49:28 [rafa]

and you want to add members to group intranet

06:50:14 [rafa]

aftre going to mem. relation you should have a lits of existing persons

06:50:44 [rafa]

its not there so you choose: "select existing person"

06:50:55 [rafa]

nothing comes up. (First error)

06:51:41 [rafa]

the intranet person already exists as a member, so you don't want to go to "Add person"

06:51:45 [rbm]

I see.

06:51:49 [rafa]

you follow me?

06:52:04 [rbm]

I think so, but your question in the bboards said nothing of that sort.

06:52:12 [rafa]

:-(

06:52:48 [rafa]

the other option (User Profile) gives the error:

06:52:57 [rbm]

I think the link on that page is wrong.

06:53:14 [rafa]

which page?

06:53:26 [rbm]

admin/relations/add

06:53:52 [rafa]

no, otherwise I would get error "file-not-found"

06:54:09 [rafa]

I get a listing of users (as it is supoused to happen)

06:54:30 [rafa]

but when you choose the user and then submit it

06:54:38 [rafa]

you get the error I reported.

06:54:53 [rafa]

I know I a dumn ass.. nothing of the above was mentioned

06:56:20 [rbm]

I get "There is no other Person on this subsite that can be added as Member to admin"

06:57:22 [rafa]

do you have any other users?

06:57:50 [rbm]

I added a couple

06:58:03 [rbm]

I don't really know what's going on and it's too late for my brain to work right.

06:58:14 [rafa]

ok

06:58:29 [rbm]

I suggest you post to your own thread on openacs.org with all these details, URLs, log excerpts.

06:58:58 [rafa]

I am doing that as we speak

06:59:04 [rbm]

And that you come back to the channel when there are people around. It's quite late here in the U.S. (I realize that's bad for you in australia)

06:59:19 [rbm]

Coincidently, I had dinner with a couple of friends from Australia tonight.

06:59:36 [rafa]

from school?

06:59:41 [rbm]

yep

06:59:51 [rafa]

great country. The best I know

07:00:19 [rbm]

very nice people

07:00:36 [rafa]

from sydney?

07:01:17 [rbm]

Hmm, I don't really know which city they're from

07:01:54 [rafa]

what are you doing up so late?

07:01:59 [rbm]

homework

07:02:13 [rafa]

tough life :-)

07:02:33 [rbm]

yeah

07:02:36 [rbm]

* rbm goes to bed

07:02:37 [rbm]

'nite

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07:03:25 [rafa]

'nite

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16:09:34 [markd2]

http://63.99.108.76/ubb/Forum8/HTML/004255.html

16:09:35 [chump]

L: http://63.99.108.76/ubb/Forum8/HTML/004255.html from markd2

16:09:48 [markd2]

L:| French Intellectuals to be posted to Afghanistan

16:09:49 [chump]

titled item L

16:10:12 [markd2]

L:Other tactics to demonstrate the non-existence of God will include the dropping of leaflets pointing out the fact that Michael Jackson has a new album out and Oprah Winfrey has not died yet.

16:10:13 [chump]

commented item L

16:11:43 [talli]

michael jackson is dropping leafs of acid with oprah winfrey????

16:12:04 [markd2]

while wearing pants, too!

16:12:16 [talli]

THE HORROR!!!!

16:12:42 [markd2]

SPOOOOON!

16:14:05 [talli]

http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/03/08/1957252&mode=thread

16:14:06 [chump]

M: http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/03/08/1957252&mode=thread from talli

16:14:23 [talli]

M: AOL moving to Linux on the server and Mozilla for the client

16:14:23 [chump]

commented item M

16:16:32 [markd2]

hopefully this'll be an exuse to gut the windows client team

16:16:42 [talli]

haha

16:16:46 [talli]

were those guys jerks?

16:16:46 [rbm]

shazam!

16:17:03 [markd2]

yeah

16:17:08 [markd2]

thought they were gods, coded like donkeys

16:17:17 [rbm]

talli: Was just looking at the dotgnu pages

16:17:19 [markd2]

plus it's a *huge* team, built by a brown-nosing politico

16:17:21 [talli]

hmmm... donkeys

16:17:45 [talli]

rbm: dotgnu seems pretty cool, at least portable.net

16:18:01 [talli]

OACS might want to think abotu getting involved in dotgnu too

16:18:13 [rbm]

talli: On the new openacs.org, will we have an area where we tout the features and packages available on openacs?

16:18:18 [talli]

markd2: donkeys, gods and politics?

16:18:23 [talli]

is that bad?

16:18:46 [markd2]

in that combination, yes

16:18:53 [markd2]

gods, politics, and donkeys, that's good

16:18:53 [rbm]

talli: What's portable.net?

16:18:57 [markd2]

especially if there's goats

16:19:04 [markd2]

and pants

16:19:14 [talli]

rbm: yes, if anyone steps up and volunteers to help build anything. so far, as is often the case, people are eager to see it launch but no tinteretsedin helping build it

16:19:27 [talli]

rbm: portable.net is the CLR or Mono of dotgnu

16:19:33 [rbm]

talli: I'll help with that area.

16:20:05 [talli]

rbm: that's what i hoped the features section would be of OACS.org

16:20:25 [talli]

portable.net is truly Free, much more so than mono

16:20:53 [talli]

it's one guy working on it, and while he had a six month head start, he's built it entirely in C and bootstrapped it on Linux

16:20:55 [talli]

unlike mono

16:21:07 [talli]

which also has like 10 developers or something

16:21:07 [markd2]

what's mono?

16:21:11 [talli]

and is in bed with MS

16:21:19 [talli]

mono is the Kissing disease

16:21:28 [markd2]

so .net has been kissing gnus?

16:21:36 [talli]

with tongue

16:21:40 [markd2]

ewwwww

16:22:05 [talli]

it's a ximian project to build a C# compiler and CLI for linux

16:22:59 [rbm]

I'll build that page. I kind of liked the way the phpgroupware guys put it on their website: http://www.phpgroupware.org/apps/ (but I'd like to take it further)

16:23:39 [rbm]

BTW, excellent editorial by Bruce Perens on news.com

16:23:42 [talli]

rbm: this kind of page would be great

16:23:51 [talli]

but we need something more "marketing friendly"

16:24:07 [talli]

if you look at openacs.museatech, you see the "features" box on the homepage?

16:24:09 [markd2]

in that case, keep the words to one syllable or less

16:24:18 [markd2]

or do it all in pictograms

16:24:30 [rbm]

talli: I'm not very good with being marketing-friendly. I'd need your help in that area.

16:24:37 [talli]

markd2: you mean like XXX- Free Love!!!

16:24:45 [talli]

rbm: yeah :)

16:24:48 [davb]

" and is in bed with MS

16:24:48 [davb]

<talli> mono is the Kissing disease

16:24:48 [davb]

<markd2> so .net has been kissing gnus?

16:24:48 [davb]

<talli> with tongue

16:24:48 [davb]

<markd2> ewwwww

16:24:53 [davb]

oops

16:24:55 [davb]

argh

16:24:59 [davb]

* davb hates windows

16:24:59 [talli]

whoa

16:25:05 [talli]

who is that markd2 guy?

16:25:11 [talli]

and why is he trying to kiss me?

16:25:25 [markd2]

is that a gnu in your pants?

16:25:29 [markd2]

or are you just glad to see me?

16:25:38 [talli]

anyway, rbm, the features section will be like the ads on aD.com,

16:25:41 [talli]

they will rotate

16:25:56 [talli]

check out http://www.urbanparks.org too, and reload it a couple of times

16:26:04 [talli]

the main photo rotates

16:26:20 [talli]

keeps the homepage fresh with new material (even if nothing is going on)

16:31:17 [rbm]

talli: That would be great, but don't you think we need a page dedicated to OACS' features?

16:31:30 [rbm]

Or a set of pages

16:31:30 [talli]

yes, absolutely

16:31:42 [talli]

but i think it should be in the features section

16:31:53 [rbm]

all of it? It would be too big.

16:32:02 [talli]

well,

16:32:10 [rbm]

* rbm eyes lars pind's patch and makes a mental note to commit it

16:32:28 [talli]

i need to run out, but let's talk about this when i get back (in a couple of hours)

16:32:44 [rbm]

I will help Don with bug-squashing. There are a lot of patches in the SDM.

16:32:45 [talli]

whether it's in teh features section or the software section, it doesn't really matter, i guess

16:32:58 [talli]

it should just be in the queue for the features box on teh home page

16:33:06 [rbm]

talli: I'll be in class in a couple of hours, then working, but we can talk later.

16:33:46 [talli]

i think it would be really nice if you had a mix of martketing fluff (we used OACS to save a million dollars!) and technical crap (the OACS API is a proven bloggety blog vinod is fat)

16:33:57 [markd2]

heh

16:34:27 [rbm]

talli: That sounds like a good mix. Especially the vinod is fat part

16:34:39 [rbm]

* rbm notes that he doesn't even know what vinod looks like

16:34:43 [rbm]

paje: vinod?

16:34:44 [paje]

vinod is dumb and sleazy

16:34:55 [talli]

yeah, but we need to be careful because there is only so much space on a person's desktop

16:35:01 [rbm]

paje: Holy crap! Please be more polite towards our members

16:35:02 [paje]

rbm: i'm not following you...

16:35:04 [talli]

and vinod usually takes up as much as he can

16:36:38 [rbm]

4 patches from Lars Pinds today. The guy is on the move!

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18:02:13 [rbm]

* rbm goes to class (*grumbles*)

18:19:47 [talli]

hey guy

18:19:48 [talli]

guys

18:21:29 [markd2]

hey bot

18:21:37 [davb]

hi talli

18:23:32 [denshi]

hey talli

18:23:40 [denshi]

& mark and dav

18:25:07 [denshi]

* denshi closes in on a new apartment

18:25:16 [talli]

congrats

18:26:14 [denshi]

what kind of premium would you pay for the security of renting from a decent human being?

18:26:56 [talli]

i abstain from commenting because i live in NYC and its impossible to rent from a decent human being

18:27:03 [denshi]

ha!

18:27:04 [talli]

so i simply wouldn't know

18:27:18 [denshi]

I'm leaning towards being happy with 8% above market.

18:28:36 [denshi]

I think that's worth the security of not needing to sue.

18:28:38 [talli]

are you sure that this "decent human" will remain decent even after it becomes time to act landlordish?

18:29:36 [denshi]

I'll just have to get out before he grows into that.

18:29:50 [talli]

good point

18:29:54 [talli]

is it a nice apartment?

18:30:38 [denshi]

3 br house a couple miles from campus. hardwood floors, big yard.

18:30:44 [talli]

whoa

18:30:50 [talli]

how much does it rent for?

18:31:06 [denshi]

$1400; I'm splitting with the hottest woman in Austin.

18:31:53 [talli]

are you splitting a bedroom too?

18:32:39 [talli]

is she available?

18:32:40 [denshi]

talli, I'm trying hard not to even think about that.

18:32:49 [talli]

ah....

18:32:52 [talli]

when can i visit?

18:32:57 [denshi]

haha.

18:33:11 [talli]

is that a "now"?

18:33:20 [denshi]

just as soon as you pick up some austin contracts.

18:33:28 [talli]

ah...

18:33:30 [denshi]

I'll be moved in May.

18:33:31 [talli]

gettin' on it

18:33:46 [talli]

lemme knwo when you want to have that austin social

18:33:53 [denshi]

good deal. I'm reopening shop, too.

18:34:02 [talli]

meaning?

18:34:05 [talli]

consulting?

18:34:24 [denshi]

yeah.

18:34:30 [talli]

nice

18:34:54 [denshi]

I'm writing my resignation letter here in dallas right now.

18:35:10 [talli]

at the editing joint?

18:35:11 [markd2]

whoa

18:35:38 [talli]

haha

18:36:38 [denshi]

ooh, paul graham posted the good ideas he's been sent for his new LISP.

18:36:44 [denshi]

http://www.archub.org/arcsug.txt

18:36:45 [chump]

N: http://www.archub.org/arcsug.txt from denshi

18:36:45 [talli]

nice

18:37:34 [talli]

you're there!

18:38:21 [denshi]

little ego boost there ... but look at what Dan Milstein wrote!

18:38:44 [denshi]

there are some badass nerds working in this space.

18:39:47 [talli]

who;s he? the guy who wrote T?

18:40:43 [talli]

why does tcl get such a bad rap? it's such a little elegant language for what it is

18:41:44 [denshi]

I don't know who Milstein is. He just wrote something neat he got from ML. Now I'm reading David Moon's stuff.

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Bloated_Drunken_Mitchell is now known as SecretAgentSuperDragon

18:52:50 [SecretAgentSuperDragon]

give me the antidote

18:52:55 [talli]

... in a big bad way.

18:53:18 [markd2]

heh

18:55:03 [SecretAgentSuperDragon]

SecretAgentSuperDragon is now known as AseraEverywhere

18:55:32 [talli]

* talli twists his pen thereby releasing a poisonous spray of hot poinsetta juice into AseraEverywhere's eye

18:56:01 [talli]

* talli curses that SecretAgentSuperDragon got away again!

18:58:14 [hazmat]

lol

19:01:25 [AseraEverywhere]

the guy who played Secret Agent Super Dragon was the producer of Cagney & Lacy (!)

19:01:31 [AseraEverywhere]

what a bizzaro world we live in

19:01:40 [markd2]

heh

19:02:06 [AseraEverywhere]

the funny thing is, i assumed that everyone in the film was italian, b/c it was dubbed.

19:02:08 [AseraEverywhere]

apparently, they are not.

19:03:03 [talli]

what movie are you talking about?

19:03:20 [AseraEverywhere]

http://us.imdb.com/Title?0060956

19:03:20 [chump]

O: http://us.imdb.com/Title?0060956 from AseraEverywhere

19:03:51 [AseraEverywhere]

http://us.imdb.com/CommentsShow?0060956

19:03:51 [chump]

P: http://us.imdb.com/CommentsShow?0060956 from AseraEverywhere

19:05:27 [davb]

aigh, I hope he doesn't adopt the indentation as code suggestion.

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19:07:13 [AseraEverywhere]

AseraEverywhere is now known as Mitchell_n_Schlitz

19:07:44 [talli]

talli is now known as docwolf

19:07:52 [docwolf]

that'll show ya

19:08:20 [Mitchell_n_Schlitz]

whoa! an imposter! someone get Super Dragon!

19:08:45 [docwolf]

hello, would anyone like to know about my super drinks?

19:09:03 [docwolf]

they are a wonderful concoction of important vitamins and minerals

19:09:09 [docwolf]

just ask my lackery, rzolf

19:09:28 [Mitchell_n_Schlitz]

Mitchell_n_Schlitz is now known as rzolf

19:09:37 [rzolf]

I whole heartedly endorse this product and/or service

19:10:07 [docwolf]

rzolf, get me my slippers! my feet are cold on this chilly boca afternoon!

19:10:19 [rzolf]

yes, massa

19:10:40 [docwolf]

* docwolf worries about the state of lackeys in the world today

19:10:57 [docwolf]

docwolf is now known as talli

19:10:59 [talli]

ew

19:11:02 [talli]

i feel so dirty

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19:11:49 [talli]

it was like being in the skin of a serial murderer

19:12:02 [rzolf]

rzolf is now known as docwolf

19:12:04 [docwolf]

whew

19:12:07 [docwolf]

feel much better now

19:12:23 [docwolf]

actually, i thoroughly enjoyed being superdragon.

19:12:43 [talli]

because you finally got to have boobs?

19:13:50 [docwolf]

superdragon is all man, baby

19:14:01 [talli]

he's got man boobs?

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19:14:27 [docwolf]

he's male-model-lean

19:14:32 [docwolf]

and 100% "macho"

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20:47:22 [davb]

another idea: for categorized ETP so I can maintain different "sections" with one ETP instance. say I have an instance called "content" and under that I have a couple of categories "foo" and "bar". I want /content/foo/ for list the foo items and content/bar/ to list the bar items. I don't want ETP subsections because I want to edit all my content from one place and organize it later be adding categories. Not navigate to where I want the page a

20:47:34 [davb]

hmmm. gotta write that up for the bboard.

21:02:02 [davb]

another advantage I though of for using acs-workflow, it store the application state in the database instead of relying on URL variables to decide where you are. It still passes form data using forms, of course.

21:02:29 [talli]

davb, that etp idea sounds like a cool idea

21:03:05 [talli]

rather than navigating to a certain section of a site, you just use a drop down or something to mention where the page should be presented, right?

21:04:41 [davb]

talli: yes. I don't want to get caught up and rewrite CMS though :)

21:05:51 [davb]

or at least leave out the kitchen sink this time

21:24:03 [davb]

or my idea might be simpler to implement. the RP goes back up the tree if a file or directory does not exist, so it will eventually get back to the index.vuh for the etp instance and THAT should be able to dispatch to the categorized page.

21:24:14 [davb]

I'll have to think about that some more...

21:25:12 [davb]

time to go

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21:44:36 [tindust]

hi all

21:47:56 [talli]

hey tindust

21:55:13 [markd2]

greetings

21:59:41 [tindust]

i'm sorry, i'm reading the chatlogs meanwhile..

22:09:27 [markd2]

* markd2 hopes tindust just bleeps over that part about the goats and Tallibot's pants

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22:13:51 [talli]

goats ate my pants! and, oh... did they like them

22:14:06 [tindust]

:)

22:14:20 [shagster]

Mmmm....goats....

22:15:12 [talli]

shagster, that stuff you sent me seems really cool

22:15:28 [talli]

i think that musea might have a chance to help build something like that, actually

22:15:44 [talli]

would you mind posting it on the boards?

22:15:51 [shagster]

Nope...at all

22:16:19 [talli]

killer. i think people would be really interested in working on this

22:16:22 [shagster]

Like I said, I'm not comfortable enough with the data modeling in OpenACS 4 to make decisions like that..

22:16:45 [talli]

decisions like how it might be implemented?

22:17:06 [shagster]

Yes, implemented into OpenACS

22:17:10 [talli]

right.

22:17:26 [talli]

i think the bboards would be a great place to get some feedback, though

22:17:47 [shagster]

I wanted to pass it along to you first for feedback (since you had mentioned it)

22:18:37 [shagster]

Plus, I'm catching up on the forums (I'm a bit behind)

22:19:08 [talli]

yeah, i don't understand the OACS data model very well, either. or at all

22:19:23 [talli]

lemme look at it and give you some thoguths, or at least some questions for clarification

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22:41:48 [rbm]

shazam!

22:43:31 [denshi]

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22:43:52 [denshi]

shagster, what's this stuff you're tempting talli with?

22:44:17 [shagster]

look here: http://www.alal.com/oacs-vpopmail.txt

22:44:25 [shagster]

I'm posting to the bboard now also...

22:44:53 [talli]

shagster, i can respond with some questions first, if you'd like

22:44:58 [talli]

or i can do it when it's on the boards

22:45:21 [shagster]

I'm just about done with my post, lets just wait for that :)

22:45:32 [talli]

ok

22:45:34 [talli]

sorry

22:45:49 [shagster]

Otherwise I'll get confused :)

22:45:57 [talli]

:)

22:46:23 [rbm]

shagster: you need to fix your URLs

22:46:50 [shagster]

Its on the list, which ones aren't working?

22:47:25 [rbm]

I know it's pedantic, but http://openacs.org

22:47:34 [rbm]

is not a URL. http://openacs.org/ is

22:48:21 [rbm]

So feel free to ignore me. I just flinch when I see an incomplete URL like that because it forces AOLserver to send a 302 to the client

22:48:38 [shagster]

Okay, I'll gets it fixed :)

22:49:02 [rbm]

BTW, very interesting idea.

22:49:11 [shagster]

thanks...

22:49:46 [denshi]

rbm: I never knew that.

22:49:49 [denshi]

why doesn

22:49:51 [rbm]

I'm hoping we can abstract things out so we can use an MTA other than Qmail for those that don't feel like putting up with djb's crap

22:50:04 [markd2]

I just count the 302's as extra hits, so I can inflate my traffic numbers

22:50:06 [denshi]

why doesn't aolserver internally mutate the url to avoid the 302?

22:50:08 [shagster]

I had thought about that...

22:50:11 [markd2]

if I'm in a bind, I just redirect around a couple of times

22:50:48 [rbm]

denshi: I don't know. I don't know if it's following the HTTP spec or not in that area.

22:51:16 [denshi]

markd2? do you know the answer?

22:51:27 [markd2]

not off the top of my head

22:51:38 [rbm]

denshi: If you have AOLserver installed, tail -f the access log and then go to a "http://foo.com" 'URL' to watch it doing the 392

22:51:42 [rbm]

s/392/302/

22:51:49 [markd2]

392 / 302

22:51:50 [paje]

1.29801324503311

22:51:59 [markd2]

paje: botsnack

22:51:59 [paje]

:)

22:52:02 [denshi]

no, I've seen it doing it for years now. I just never contemplated that.

22:52:04 [rbm]

paje: Thanks

22:52:05 [paje]

my pleasure rbm

22:54:01 [shagster]

Okay, posted in bboards, time for dinner (Homemade Lasagna with home made sauce!)

22:54:28 [markd2]

* markd2 drools

22:56:04 [denshi]

shagster, what's your meatspace name?

22:56:32 [denshi]

mat kovach?

23:06:56 [rbm]

paje: shhh!

23:06:56 [paje]

* paje shhh yourself rbm!

23:07:12 [rbm]

errr

23:07:31 [markd2]

heh

23:08:19 [rbm]

I guess I need to learn how to teach this bot better

23:09:10 [markd2]

paje: again!

23:09:11 [paje]

* paje spanks talli

23:09:15 [markd2]

looks like he's learned well to me

23:09:56 [rbm]

maybe you should correct me then :)

23:10:03 [rbm]

s/correct/teach/

23:11:21 [markd2]

heh

23:13:36 [denshi]

paje: what mountain bike should I buy?

23:13:36 [paje]

i don't know, denshi

23:13:49 [denshi]

you *do* need to teach him, rbm.

23:14:00 [rbm]

paje: insult denshi

23:14:01 [paje]

denshi is nothing but a rank pile of weasel-smelling cold sores.

23:14:16 [denshi]

paje: bow down before the one you serve.

23:14:17 [paje]

denshi: huh?

23:14:18 [rbm]

denshi: He knows the important stuff :)

23:14:42 [tindust]

goodnight (in Belgium)

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tindust has left #openacs

23:28:51 [rbm]

Hmm, the dotGNU folks seem to be doing a good job

23:38:54 [denshi]

later peoples

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