IRC log of openacs on 2002-03-10

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00:49:11 [davb]
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00:49:35 [talli]
hey docwolf
00:49:37 [talli]
hey davb
00:49:41 [davb]
hi talli
00:50:49 [talli]
how's it going?
00:51:00 [davb]
not bad, catching up on email.
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19:22:54 [talli]
hey davb
19:23:05 [davb]
hello talli
19:24:09 [talli]
thanks for posting to the SDM thread i started
19:25:50 [talli]
i was wondering whether you had any specific ideas for how to build a new SDM. i remember asking you something about it and you had a pretty strong opinion about starting compltely over
19:26:50 [davb]
Well, my opinion these days is to use what OpenACS 4 offers in terms of APIs etc because it really helps to get that little bit of integration that is a really ugly hack in 3.x style programming.
19:27:08 [davb]
IE. if you use the CR, it is easy to build in search.
19:27:29 [davb]
Also the new category system is planned to allow categorization of any acs_object, etc...
19:27:52 [talli]
yeah, that would be very nice
19:28:03 [davb]
It might be possible to port the old one to get a working product and integrate it keeping the APIs as close as possible, or it might not be worth it.
19:28:05 [talli]
search and categories would probably allow for some really nice functionality
19:28:50 [davb]
exactly. It would really help to make it easier to find items and relate bboard posts to bug reports etc...
19:29:23 [talli]
the current sdm is very good for what it is, but the interface isn't so nice and it's kinda simple
19:29:38 [talli]
in other words, i think it need to be boosted a good bit
19:29:52 [talli]
and as you said, it should really be abel to take advantage of workflow
19:30:16 [talli]
bbiam
19:30:23 [davb]
talli: yes, as with most of the OpenACS stuff UI needs work :)
20:39:09 [markd2]
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20:53:51 [rbm]
* rbm liked talli's "megajerk" comment :)
20:54:44 [rbm]
Is there better documentation as to what are good uses (with examples) of ETP somewhere? I find the etp.museatech.net docs don't really answer that questin.
20:58:53 [davb]
it is suppoed to make it easy to enter and edit content for any type of application that generally would be implemented with one table.
21:00:13 [rbm]
one table?
21:00:32 [rbm]
doesn't FAQ have at least 2 tables?
21:01:37 [rbm]
I guess I'm not seeing the advantage of using ETP to build an app instead of just the OACS/AOLserver APIs
21:01:52 [rbm]
bbiab
21:02:36 [davb]
ok:)
21:10:34 [davb]
if you mount ETP at the site root, you should be able to use it to manage a large part of a site. You can have sections and subsections, etc. It can generate the UI and navigation for that. So alot of your work is already done.
21:11:53 [markd2]
would ETP work for a sceneraio like a small time shareware producer (fer example)
21:12:14 [markd2]
a page on each product, with 'wahtthis is', screenshots with arbitrary #of images, a download section for verious chunks of downloaded
21:12:18 [markd2]
er, downloadage
21:12:30 [markd2]
like "get the xyz version1, get the source for xyz"
21:12:39 [markd2]
it'd be nice for each of those parts of the page to be editable
21:13:36 [talli]
depending on how sophisticated the download functionality is, isn't that more in line with what subsites might offer?
21:13:56 [davb]
* davb thinks
21:14:00 [markd2]
dunno
21:14:02 [talli]
the page on each product with screenshots and whatthis is no prob with etp
21:14:06 [markd2]
I'd like just one page per product
21:14:28 [talli]
the download stuff could be a bit more complicated, although i guess ETP2 will allow for some file management capabilities, right davb?
21:14:44 [markd2]
the file management I can do myself (just links),
21:14:57 [talli]
for downloads, if you want all the stats and the versioning and so on, then i guess that's what the download module is for
21:14:59 [davb]
ETP is currently setup for one "sections" for each page. If you had a page with multiple parts, you could add attributes for each part. It uses symlinks so you could symlink to a page in the download package for the download part.
21:15:18 [markd2]
can ETP do multiple sectioins for each page?
21:15:28 [davb]
Not of the same type.
21:15:33 [markd2]
ok
21:15:47 [davb]
But I think it could (I would like it anyway)
21:16:12 [djg_]
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21:16:13 [davb]
although you can do it with a subsection for each "page" and then the "pages" are the parts of the page.
21:29:44 [talli]
davb, do you think it would be better to build OACS.org with your ETP2+workflow stuff or use the news module instead? there are a number of pieces that require an admin workflow that could be solved best with etp2+workflow, but in the interest of time might better be served with a modified news module
21:30:43 [markd2]
* markd2 should make an EditThisWorkflowNews2++
21:30:47 [davb]
talli: I have no idea when I will actually have something nice for people to use. I would love it to be done, but I think you better get the site working instead.
21:30:58 [talli]
ok
21:31:04 [davb]
oops, I forgot a whole clause in there.
21:31:21 [talli]
have you, luke or jun put any work into etp2 beyond what luke did the other day?
21:32:16 [davb]
I build a sample workflow, and have reread the workflow docs a couple of times, but I haven't been able to sit down and start actually building it. I did install it, and it works :)
21:32:26 [talli]
:)
21:32:40 [davb]
I haven't looked at the CVS in a couple of days.
21:33:18 [davb]
brb
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22:37:30 [CodeConnoisseur]
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22:37:57 [CodeConnoisseur]
wow, there is an openacs channel with people in it.
22:38:03 [markd2]
hiya!
22:38:08 [talli]
aye aye, CodeConnoisseur
22:38:15 [CodeConnoisseur]
hello all.
22:38:21 [talli]
although be careful, the bots are everywhere
22:38:38 [markd2]
hiya!
22:38:45 [CodeConnoisseur]
what bots? Same deal as on Yahoo chat servers?
22:38:53 [markd2]
paje, again!
22:38:53 [paje]
* paje spanks talli
22:38:56 [markd2]
paje, again!
22:38:57 [paje]
* paje spanks talli
22:39:05 [talli]
one more!
22:39:25 [markd2]
paje, again!
22:39:25 [paje]
* paje spanks talli
22:39:31 [CodeConnoisseur]
you two bots?
22:39:41 [markd2]
talli is a bot
22:39:42 [talli]
affirmative.
22:39:43 [markd2]
I'm not
22:39:58 [talli]
but i'm a bot that runs on punch cards and fortran
22:40:09 [CodeConnoisseur]
heh
22:40:22 [markd2]
we're hoping to recode talli into object fortran
22:40:27 [CodeConnoisseur]
are y'all long time acs developers?
22:41:02 [talli]
i'm not
22:41:06 [CodeConnoisseur]
I've been trying to learn more about acs
22:41:09 [talli]
markd2 seems to act like he is
22:41:26 [talli]
at least when he's not going on and on about the elegance of cobol
22:41:38 [talli]
CodeConnoisseur, have you been on the boards?
22:41:41 [davb]
define "long time"
22:41:58 [CodeConnoisseur]
not really...I found this board indirectly.
22:42:07 [CodeConnoisseur]
been working on getting gentoo installed.
22:42:17 [talli]
* talli reaches for his slide rule and dictionary to respond to davb
22:42:34 [CodeConnoisseur]
got dragged to IRC to get my questions answered.
22:42:35 [talli]
gentoo seems cool, but it doesn't quite look ready
22:42:41 [talli]
have you tried debian?
22:42:58 [CodeConnoisseur]
long time: long enough to know a thing or two about acs.
22:43:17 [talli]
davb is too modest
22:43:33 [talli]
he know the OACS in and out
22:43:36 [markd2]
davb is a god
22:43:41 [CodeConnoisseur]
davb sounds familiar...perhaps from the openacs.org web site?
22:44:07 [talli]
CodeConnoisseur, btw, try and use the "O" in front of ACS. we don't have anything to do with aD anymore. sorry to be pedantic
22:44:14 [CodeConnoisseur]
I've been trying to put two and two together and figure out what's what between arsdigita and open acs.
22:44:50 [CodeConnoisseur]
oacs? hmmm...why not oasis?
22:44:53 [CodeConnoisseur]
;-)
22:44:57 [markd2]
ÖAÇS
22:45:00 [talli]
aD no longer exists. the openacs maintains the tcl code
22:45:24 [markd2]
aD dumped tcl for java, then folded
22:45:40 [CodeConnoisseur]
ah...that's one key of the puzzle I've been trying to figure out.
22:46:14 [CodeConnoisseur]
I read Greenspun's book and it goes on and on about the virtues of Tcl, then I go look at ACS and see it's in Java.
22:46:18 [CodeConnoisseur]
weird, weird, weird.
22:46:35 [markd2]
yeah
22:46:48 [markd2]
aD threw out acs 3, and started on acs 4 from scratch. got about 80% there, then threw it out
22:46:51 [CodeConnoisseur]
then I find OACS, but can't tell from the sparse docs if it also is converting to Java with OACS 4 releast.
22:46:54 [markd2]
and started on acs "4.5" / java from scratch
22:46:57 [CodeConnoisseur]
release.
22:47:00 [markd2]
lord I hope not
22:47:51 [talli]
yeah. i think we're asking for some serious confusion with OACS4.5. but oh well. people would have been confused no matter what
22:48:02 [CodeConnoisseur]
but what were they aiming to accomplish?
22:48:11 [talli]
WORLD DOMINATION
22:48:25 [CodeConnoisseur]
lol...a Gates wannabe?
22:48:27 [markd2]
supposedly a Java product would be easier to sell into Big Clients
22:48:30 [talli]
unfortuantely, they did not realize that markd2 stood in their way
22:48:41 [markd2]
MUAHAHAHAHAHA
22:49:15 [CodeConnoisseur]
markd2: you killed the company?
22:49:43 [talli]
he killed the company, but he did not kill the deputy
22:50:09 [talli]
cocainnnnnnne...
22:50:28 [CodeConnoisseur]
well, seriously, what was so wrong with 3, that they rebuilt 4 from scratch?
22:51:15 [talli]
CodeConnoisseur, you missed the soap opera. unfortunately the network pulled the plug and it won't be syndicated
22:51:22 [markd2]
heh
22:51:33 [talli]
the real answer is that your questions lead to a loooooooooooong story
22:51:38 [markd2]
yeah
22:52:12 [CodeConnoisseur]
I've seen bits and pieces of the soap opera...read Greenspun's book, then saw that little monotribe on Eve Anderson's home page...
22:52:20 [talli]
ugh
22:52:20 [markd2]
heh
22:52:22 [CodeConnoisseur]
I'm just trying to put it together.
22:52:49 [talli]
try and stop. it just gets worse
22:53:03 [CodeConnoisseur]
I'm not so much interested in what politics went down as where things stand technically.
22:53:17 [talli]
ah... well that's another long story...
22:53:25 [markd2]
acs 4 when dropped by aD had some good stuff in it, but wasn't finished
22:53:31 [markd2]
the OACS folks picked up the ball and ran with it
22:53:39 [markd2]
doing the last 20% (which of course takes another 80% of the time)
22:53:52 [CodeConnoisseur]
Greenspun's philosophy and approach to software is very much in tune with my own, and his technical decisions seem right on cue most of the time.
22:53:55 [talli]
and making it work with both Oracle and PostgreSQL
22:54:56 [CodeConnoisseur]
I have an Oracle background...but I've been developing Windows based software these past few years.
22:55:32 [CodeConnoisseur]
I'm trying to move away from Microsoft into a Unix world and I want to get into web-development because that is the future of things.
22:56:00 [rbm]
hey hey
22:56:02 [talli]
you mean the InterWeb? i think i've heard of that
22:56:30 [CodeConnoisseur]
InterWeb? never heard of it.
22:56:35 [talli]
i have a great idea for a business for the InterWeb... I'm goign to sell BOOKS!!!!
22:57:08 [CodeConnoisseur]
I just think more and more apps, esp. database oriented apps are going to be deployed via browsers in the future.
22:57:23 [docwolf]
good evening
22:58:03 [talli]
oh man.
22:58:12 [talli]
the doctor is back
22:58:13 [CodeConnoisseur]
especially within large firms with heterogenious environments.
22:59:10 [docwolf]
yeah, the doctor is in. everyone head for the hills...
22:59:28 [CodeConnoisseur]
Where does OACS 4 stand? The website seems to be quite a bit out of date.
22:59:37 [talli]
ugh
22:59:47 [talli]
it's in beta right now
22:59:58 [talli]
actually, it shoudl go into beta today
23:00:02 [talli]
OACS 4.5
23:00:10 [talli]
whatever that means
23:00:15 [docwolf]
this thing has been in testing longer than mozilla
23:00:20 [talli]
haha
23:00:40 [markd2]
ouch
23:01:03 [talli]
maybe because there are all these trolls that hang around community with their noses in the air because they can spell M-B-A
23:01:08 [talli]
and M-D
23:01:23 [CodeConnoisseur]
Can it be set up with Apache? I tried to set up AOLServer, but after a full day of trying without success to get it to host more than one URL, I gave up.
23:01:25 [docwolf]
uh oh. HULK SMASH.
23:02:15 [talli]
AOLserver doesn't do virtual hosting very well
23:02:25 [docwolf]
talli: hahaha
23:02:35 [CodeConnoisseur]
sounds like y'all really had some serious politicking going on surrounding this whole system.
23:02:36 [talli]
i'll HULK SMASH you docwolf
23:03:01 [talli]
OACS is very tightly integrated with a lot of the features specific to AOLserver
23:03:06 [talli]
so it doesn't run with apache
23:03:43 [talli]
there are ways to do virtual hosting, but it's not as easy as with apache
23:03:53 [talli]
hopefully, in aolserver 4 they'll solve this problem
23:04:05 [CodeConnoisseur]
when is AOLS 4 due out?
23:04:27 [CodeConnoisseur]
I've gotta do virtual hosting if I'm going to support multiple clients.
23:04:46 [markd2]
Jerry Asher has some patches that do vhosting
23:04:56 [markd2]
I've not used 'em
23:05:10 [CodeConnoisseur]
are they on Freshmeat or SourceForge?
23:05:22 [talli]
CodeConnoisseur, why do you need virtual hosting?
23:05:51 [CodeConnoisseur]
one box, one ip address, several customer's web-sites.
23:05:59 [talli]
i'm the head of an OACS shop and we haven't had any compelling need for virtual hosting
23:06:29 [talli]
if you're going to build a site in OACS, you're going to use a pretty heavy system
23:06:52 [CodeConnoisseur]
I'm just starting out, so can't afford to have bigger set up until I get the customers.
23:06:53 [talli]
and if you're goign to host client sites, you might want to look at getting more than one IP
23:07:07 [talli]
what kind of systems are you looking to build?
23:08:01 [CodeConnoisseur]
I'm still researching...but right now, just planning to start with Linux and PostgreSQL on a 1.7ghz box with 2 to 4 hds in a RAID configuration.
23:08:35 [talli]
collocated or at home?
23:08:38 [CodeConnoisseur]
I am not building sites that's gonna have 100,000 hits a day...more like 1,000.
23:08:54 [talli]
what kind of application do you need?
23:09:06 [CodeConnoisseur]
At home. SDSL
23:09:40 [CodeConnoisseur]
The first customer is a courier firm in Atlanta. They need customers to log in, place an order, track their order, etc. in real time.
23:09:59 [talli]
SDSL can be dangerous for that
23:10:18 [CodeConnoisseur]
They're ok with potential down times.
23:10:33 [CodeConnoisseur]
We're trying to do proof of concept sort of thing.
23:10:37 [talli]
eitehr way, the number of IPs are not a big deal. you can get more relatively cheaply
23:10:51 [CodeConnoisseur]
true.
23:10:59 [markd2]
my colofacility just gave me 3 more for free
23:11:03 [talli]
have you used the OACS yet? have you used any web apps?
23:11:20 [talli]
evaluated any of them yet?
23:11:33 [CodeConnoisseur]
Like I said, I am just getting started in full-time web-development.
23:11:51 [CodeConnoisseur]
I've been looking at PhpNuke, PostNuke, Yabbse, and now OpenACS
23:12:01 [hazmat]
Yabbse?
23:12:03 [talli]
yabbse?
23:12:15 [markd2]
yet another bbs environment?
23:12:18 [talli]
haha
23:12:27 [CodeConnoisseur]
yeah. a fork of yabb
23:12:43 [CodeConnoisseur]
se probably means "special edition"
23:12:44 [talli]
phpnuke and postnuke aren't really application toolkits, AFAICS
23:12:57 [markd2]
docwolf is the phpnuke expert
23:13:11 [talli]
OACS is in the same class as zope and webware
23:13:17 [talli]
but takes a different approach
23:13:19 [CodeConnoisseur]
they are pretty basic...more a content manager than anything.
23:13:27 [talli]
right
23:13:45 [CodeConnoisseur]
I haven't looked at zope and webware...are they GPL'd?
23:13:51 [hazmat]
no
23:13:57 [talli]
but they're open
23:14:03 [hazmat]
both are gpl compatible afaik
23:14:08 [talli]
hazmat, isn't zope moving towards a gpl license?
23:14:17 [hazmat]
Zpl2.0 is gpl compatible
23:14:22 [hazmat]
i'm not sure about webware off hand
23:14:26 [talli]
webware is under a python license
23:14:31 [talli]
1.0 i think
23:14:45 [talli]
so more BSD than GPL, IIRC
23:15:06 [talli]
if you like the philg approach, then OACS is your way to go
23:15:13 [talli]
zope and webware are more OOP
23:15:23 [talli]
hazmat is the one to talk to about zope
23:15:23 [CodeConnoisseur]
hmmm...freshmeat down?
23:16:01 [hazmat]
i get alot of shit all the time for releasing gpl zope software... gotta run.
23:16:25 [CodeConnoisseur]
What's webware's site? I get a gazillion googles
23:17:02 [CodeConnoisseur]
python is good....at least I like what I've seen of it so far.
23:17:24 [CodeConnoisseur]
I'd rather stay in a scripting world for web-development if at all possible.
23:17:59 [hazmat]
webware.sf.net
23:19:09 [CodeConnoisseur]
whaddya mean you're catching flack for releasing gpl zope?
23:19:13 [hazmat]
although if you're looking for rapid development with an existing toolkit that handles alot of the basics (auth, membership) and has several addon modules already , openacs is a really good place to look.
23:19:52 [rbm]
I should compile and test-drive AOLserver 4 one of these days
23:19:53 [hazmat]
CodeConnoisseur: alot of zope people prefer the bsd style licenses...
23:20:16 [CodeConnoisseur]
I definitely like the concept of openacs...not entirely sold on aolserver and tcl, though.
23:20:55 [hazmat]
for this problem domain tcl seems like a good fit most of the time, ie for the general case of querying a db, and formatting responses.
23:20:55 [CodeConnoisseur]
Greenspun's arguments make good sense technically, but I get too many "huh?"'s when I talk to customers.
23:20:55 [rbm]
CodeConnoisseur: You can do Java and Python with AOLserver, integrating very well with OpenACS.
23:21:22 [rbm]
CodeConnoisseur: I get that too. Just point them to aol.com and say "It works for them"
23:21:43 [markd2]
plus tcl is really easy to learn
23:21:49 [markd2]
it's like the maintainable subset of perl
23:21:56 [CodeConnoisseur]
heh...that's funny, because I usually ween them *off* aol when I come along.
23:22:29 [rbm]
what does that mean?
23:23:03 [davb]
CodeConnoisseur: for virtual hosting, run apache in from of AOLserver as a proxy. works great.
23:23:12 [CodeConnoisseur]
They usually have a lot of complaints about AOL and I help them find a new ISP.
23:23:44 [CodeConnoisseur]
hmmm...now there's an idea. got a howto?
23:23:59 [rbm]
AOL as an ISP has nothing to do with aol.com. As a very complex production environment, you can't go much further than aol.com and digitalcity.com
23:25:39 [CodeConnoisseur]
true, but how do you disassociate those two concepts in your "average joe" customer? They see AOL as terrible service...they naturally see aol.com as more the same.
23:25:41 [markd2]
also, aol the isp (e.g. using the aol client) is a wholly different technology than webby stuff (like aol.com)
23:26:04 [CodeConnoisseur]
i.e. they're predisposed to disbelieving.
23:26:48 [rbm]
CodeConnoisseur: That's your job as a consultant.
23:26:52 [CodeConnoisseur]
davb: what would the howto be called for the apache proxying for aolserver?
23:27:15 [talli]
CodeConnoisseur, i might get yelled down for this, but really the best part of the OACS is aolserver
23:27:47 [rbm]
CodeConnoisseur: Just look in the apache docs for mod_proxy, and have aolserver listening on a port other than 80
23:27:51 [markd2]
right on talli!
23:28:00 [CodeConnoisseur]
rbm: I do my best to educate, but when you're new to a group of clients, too many "ideas" at the beginning overwhelms.
23:28:04 [talli]
AOLserver truly rocks. if you're looking for a strong db integration, AOLserver is amazing
23:28:17 [rbm]
* rbm agrees with talli
23:28:24 [CodeConnoisseur]
rbm: thanks...will do.
23:28:27 [rbm]
And the AOLserver C code is plain beautiful.
23:28:59 [rbm]
* rbm compiles AOLserver 4.0
23:29:13 [talli]
it doesn't seem like anyone in the OACS community would care if tcl was replaced with another language, but people would be upset if AOLserver disappeared all of a sudden
23:29:15 [CodeConnoisseur]
ok...I'll give it another go...this time with Apache proxying...I can at least fire up AOLServer on different ports (already did that).
23:30:03 [CodeConnoisseur]
I've learned a lot here, already. :-)
23:30:22 [talli]
CodeConnoisseur, the nice thing about the OACS community is that it's very helpful
23:30:23 [CodeConnoisseur]
Just to clarify...OACS is all 100% Tcl with none of that Java non-sense, right?
23:30:39 [talli]
we're can be curmudgeony, but people help people out a lot
23:30:45 [talli]
no, completely java-lesss
23:30:47 [CodeConnoisseur]
talli: I find that generally true of all the Open communities so far.
23:30:49 [talli]
except for some chat crap
23:31:02 [rbm]
paje: insult talli
23:31:03 [paje]
talli is nothing but a squishy ooze of unoriginal snake snot.
23:31:14 [markd2]
there's some db-stored-procedure stuff too
23:31:17 [talli]
right on paje!
23:31:29 [talli]
markd2, i am?
23:31:29 [CodeConnoisseur]
paje is a bot?
23:31:38 [rbm]
paje: who are you?
23:31:39 [paje]
well, i am the medicine man and oracle in Amazonian tribes. I'm also a recipient of church of mike's "full deal" package
23:31:41 [talli]
i didn't know i had any stored procedure
23:31:59 [talli]
if paje is a bot, then i am too. dammit.
23:32:23 [rbm]
* rbm notices that 4.0 is in beta2
23:32:27 [markd2]
talli is a stored procedure
23:32:44 [talli]
* talli feels all 4GL-y
23:33:02 [markd2]
peanut butter and 4GLy
23:33:05 [talli]
rbm, i tried downloading AOLserver4 today but my connecting was bad
23:33:07 [davb]
rbm: that sounds promising...
23:33:24 [CodeConnoisseur]
should I play with OACS 4 or 3? This is mostly play at the moment...probably won't *have* to depend on stability of OACS for a couple months.
23:33:26 [talli]
is there any FAQ or readme file in it that talks abotu what's new?
23:33:41 [rbm]
I wish I knew autoconf better to convert AOLserver to it.
23:34:01 [CodeConnoisseur]
hmmm...I wonder if gentoo has aolserver in their portage tree, yet.
23:34:14 [rbm]
CodeConnoisseur: 4.5, definitely. http://openacs.org/doc/
23:34:22 [rbm]
What's gentoo?
23:34:33 [talli]
gentoo linux
23:34:39 [CodeConnoisseur]
linux distro
23:34:40 [talli]
they're porting the BSD ports system to linux
23:34:45 [rbm]
Ahh
23:34:53 [rbm]
talli: eh? why?
23:35:05 [talli]
dunno. why not?
23:35:15 [rbm]
I guess that's a better question :)
23:35:16 [CodeConnoisseur]
thanks...I'll look at 4.5, then....I'd actually been avoiding it on account of suspecting it was Java port of Tcl version.
23:35:20 [markd2]
gentoo ben
23:35:33 [markd2]
that was acs/java 4.0
23:35:37 [rbm]
CodeConnoisseur: OpenACS is all Tcl.
23:35:37 [markd2]
a java port of the tcl version
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23:36:04 [talli]
talli (~talli@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs
23:36:53 [CodeConnoisseur]
well, maybe I'll be making contribs to OpenACS one day. Greenspun definitely sold me on the system...but I got totally lost in...I guess you'd call it "the soap opera" aftermath.
23:37:49 [rbm]
what's the
23:38:01 [rbm]
what's the -mcpu= line for AMD K6-2?
23:38:35 [CodeConnoisseur]
later
23:38:49 [talli]
l8
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23:58:30 [talli]
rbm, virtual hosting is supposed to be improved in aolserver 4, right?
23:58:44 [talli]
or is it supposed to "work"?
23:59:20 [rbm]
talli: Everything is virtual host ready in AOLserver 4, and it works out of the box
23:59:28 [talli]
nice
23:59:34 [rbm]
By "everything" I mean all the APIs and such.
23:59:39 [talli]
ah, ok