00:01:50 <markd2> just older
00:02:10 <markd2> by the time I was on my first acs 4tcl gig, the tcl team had been gutted and Java uber-alles
00:03:36 <rbm> moo
00:09:15 <markd2> and a good moo to you too
00:10:44 <rbm> * rbm ponders writing an elevator clone in pygame
00:11:33 <rbm> how goes it markd2
00:11:34 <markd2> that would rule
00:11:38 <markd2> goes good
00:11:52 <rbm> Pygame (and SDL) are so nice
00:11:53 <markd2> installing the latest mac devtools
00:11:59 <markd2> hope they don't screw up my system
00:12:55 <rbm> On OSx?
00:12:58 <rbm> s/x/X/
00:13:11 <markd2> yep
00:13:12 <rbm> <-- would love to have an OSX machine to play with
00:13:24 <rbm> and I wish OSX would run on x86
00:13:25 <markd2> iz veddy nice :-)
00:15:55 <rbm> http://r-eality.dyndns.org/~R-ealitY/interessantes/cooling.jpg <-- What we all will need to do if CPUs keep going in the cooling power growth
00:15:55 <chump> A: http://r-eality.dyndns.org/~R-ealitY/interessantes/cooling.jpg from rbm
00:16:12 <rbm> A:|What we all will need to do if CPUs keep going in the cooling power growth
00:16:12 <chump> titled item A
00:16:58 <markd2> heh
00:17:13 <markd2> probably helps to cool off the player
00:17:34 <rbm> So you're doing this Mac devel stuff for fun or profit?
00:17:52 <rbm> Or both? :)
00:23:40 <rbm> * rbm goes to cook something to eat
00:24:00 <markd2> for fun right now
00:24:05 <markd2> hopefilly it'll lead to profit
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01:53:40 <davb> argh. i can't get debian to install graphviz
01:54:05 <davb> " Package graphviz has no installation candidate" even though it is supposed to be available...
01:55:29 <markd2> bummer
01:55:43 <davb> manly because I am not an apt guru
01:55:52 <davb> s/manly/mainly
01:56:25 <davb> ok. it works from the other machine...
01:58:19 <davb> tada. my souces.list was missing something. I thought I fixed it, but I edited the wrong line :)
02:01:54 <markd2> yay
02:03:43 <davb> now I have to figure out how to define a news submission workflow
02:09:22 <talli> whoa, davb, that would be awesome
02:09:40 <talli> are you thinking about building an ETP2 app using workflow?
02:09:43 <talli> with news?
02:11:29 <markd2> and pants?
02:11:54 <talli> and sequins?
02:14:43 <markd2> and penguins!
02:15:00 <talli> and jelly beans!
02:15:05 <markd2> woot!
02:15:08 <markd2> * markd2 dances and celebrates
02:15:27 <talli> * talli dances with his tallibot
02:15:48 <talli> and it's a salsa
02:17:19 <talli> are there many other channels on irc that have such a high human to bot ratio?
02:17:30 <talli> is there a channel JUST for bots?
02:18:08 <talli> where they can talk about the trials an tribulations of being a bot in today's america?
02:19:10 <markd2> just ask the president
02:20:09 <talli> you mean howard farkinficklerstein, the president of the largest tile retail chain in america, tiles-n-goodies?
02:22:29 <markd2> heh
02:22:33 <markd2> that dude that runs k-mart
02:22:42 <talli> no! 
02:22:45 <talli> he does?
02:22:49 <markd2> that RUINS k-mart
02:22:53 <markd2> * markd2 weeps for k-mart
02:23:05 <talli> at least we still have walmart
02:23:15 <talli> for ALL of our needs
02:24:48 <markd2> walmart is too upscale
02:25:00 <markd2> we need trashy kmarts to remind us of the American Experience
02:25:19 <talli> dunno. walmart started in arkansas
02:25:35 <davb> we have Ames...
02:25:44 <talli> is it possible to get trashy than an arkansas super-store chain?
02:25:48 <markd2> the ames around here is closing, I think
02:25:50 <markd2> oh yeah
02:25:55 <markd2> some texas super-store chain
02:26:08 <davb> talli: yes. I think News would be good becuase I can have users submission and then have it approved by an admin.
02:28:09 <talli> yeah, well that's what is needed for the new oacs.org
02:30:08 <davb> right. exactly. I will see what I can do :)
02:30:40 <davb> I have to build the permission switching stuff into the special procs that workflow calls. so it will be a fun learning experience.
02:30:41 <davb> :)
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17:49:42 <rbm> morning
17:51:02 <jim> hi
17:51:17 <markd2> hello
17:51:24 <jim> I have a weird problem with the bsd openacs install I been doing...
17:52:05 <jim> I got it to the point where I can do restart-aolserver
17:52:39 <jim> I do so, it seems to come up, is accessable to localhost, but not outside localhost
17:53:31 <til> hi
17:54:22 <til> jim: other stuff on that machine can be reached from outside? like ping, other webservers etc.
17:54:33 <jim> til: yes
17:54:55 <jim> I'm sshing into it now
17:55:00 <til> and what exactly happens when you try to access aolserver?
17:55:21 <jim> hmm, it doesn't even seem to be up now
17:55:46 <til> ps aux|grep nsd ...
17:56:23 <til> oh it's bsd, sorry ... no idea if that was correct then
17:57:08 <jim> it looks (from other things) like it might not be up
17:58:22 <jim> it'
17:59:17 <jim> there exists an aolserver in ps
18:00:10 <til> isnt the process called nsd in bsd too?
18:00:32 <jim> yes, nsd (which is nsd8x, I guess)
18:00:58 <til> wether nsd8x or 7 depends on the symbolic link in aolserver/bin
18:03:27 <til> can you stop and start it?
18:09:35 <jim> one sec
18:09:56 <jim> I'm not sure how to do it with daemontools (which I think might be the problem)
18:10:41 <til> sorry, cant help with that
18:13:54 <jim> ok, np... let me see if I can get the thing back
18:39:34 <jim> ok, the thing's back up, and same thing...
18:40:43 <jim> I can access it from the box it's on, but from nowhere else (I get timeouts from everything outside of the local net, and connection refused from inside)
18:43:16 <til> did you try accessing it by ip-address instead of hostname?
18:43:24 <jim> no, will do
18:44:21 <jim> immediate connection refused from outside
18:44:51 <jim> lemme see if it's still responding on its own box
18:45:08 <jim> yep
18:45:49 <til> weird
18:45:54 <rbm> argh. 6 deg F here.
18:45:58 <markd2> brrr!
18:46:04 <rbm> And I thought winter was over.
18:46:07 <markd2> we're set to drop 40 degrees F by this time tomorrow
18:46:18 <rbm> "drop" to 40 degrees!!?!?
18:46:22 <markd2> yep
18:46:28 <rbm> markd2: You suck!
18:46:37 <markd2> drop "by"
18:46:41 <markd2> sorry
18:46:45 <rbm> :-)
18:46:48 <jim> drop -to- 40 degrees?? or drop 40 degrees?
18:46:54 <markd2> drop *by*
18:47:03 <jim> what's the temp now?
18:47:15 <markd2> 60s
18:47:22 <markd2> supposed to be 20 by tomorrow
18:47:35 <jim> where are you again? :)
18:47:41 <markd2> Western Pennsylvania
18:47:43 <markd2> near Pittsburgh
18:47:45 <jim> ahh
18:48:07 <rbm> If I had money I'd go skiing. The day is beautiful for skii.ng
19:09:27 <markd2> 35371 / 1024
19:09:27 <paje> 34.5419921875
19:09:40 <markd2> 9964 / 1024
19:09:41 <paje> 9.73046875
19:09:51 <talli> 2/0
19:09:53 <markd2> 1229640 / 1024
19:09:53 <paje> 1200.8203125
19:10:16 <talli> markd2 / rbm
19:14:32 <markd2> oacs should come up with their own version control software
19:14:35 <markd2> to compete with subVersion
19:14:38 <markd2> call it 'perVersion'
19:15:30 <talli> or our own blogging system
19:15:34 <talli> called flogging
19:16:31 <talli> i think the reason so many blogging type people link to other bloggers is in order to validate their own lower form of life
19:18:52 <markd2> yep
19:19:02 <markd2> and it keep us (er, them) from having to do anything original
19:24:43 <rbm> what's a blog?
19:25:52 <talli> a blog is the the indentation left by your butt on your seat after you've been reading too many people's online journals
19:27:22 <markd2> heh
19:27:28 <markd2> so how do you really feel?
19:27:50 <talli> like a ladybug on a spring morning
19:37:58 <hazmat> * hazmat gets some bug spray
19:38:11 <talli> ouch
19:44:14 <rbm> lac
19:57:43 <markd2> yow
19:58:00 <markd2> paje, yow
19:58:00 <paje> I know things about TROY DONAHUE that can't even be PRINTED!!
19:58:53 <talli> paje, that's never stopped me
19:58:53 <paje> talli: huh?
19:59:02 <talli> huh yourself
20:08:03 <markd2> huh
20:09:28 <hazmat> hazmat is now known as randomcomment
20:09:33 <markd2> heh
20:42:53 <markd2> 60 / 1.5
20:42:54 <paje> 40
20:43:11 <markd2> 40 * 60
20:43:24 <markd2> 2400
21:13:55 <shagster> Burp
21:25:18 <jim> I think I found my problem from before... it seems several dns servers are reporting different things...
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23:32:05 <talli> anybody home this eve?
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