00:01:15 talli - don't worry bout all the openssh updating hassles - just use telnetd 00:01:29 ok 00:01:51 usually i just login using wsftp and download my mailboxes that way 00:02:17 i go in via root because the password never changes 00:03:30 there ya go. once hailstorm is up and running, you can just upload everything to msft so you'll only need one password (if that) 00:06:06 vinod: You don't need no stinking password. MS will make sure doubleclick takes care of that for you. 00:09:09 heh 00:09:41 So has anyone swalled the .NET pill yet? 00:11:44 I've already been immunized 00:12:37 haha 00:18:04 you guys want to hear the plot of the play i'm going to see tonight? 00:18:10 it sounds pretty good 00:18:46 What happens when the woman of your dreams, although you didn't really even know you had one, washes up on your shore naked. Well, it's a love story. 00:19:02 how cute. 00:19:04 apparently, the lead actress has to walk around in her bra and panties for another part of the play, too 00:19:27 so is going to the play a bit like try before you buy ? 00:19:34 i must have done something bad to someone somewhere. vinod, is this your doing? 00:19:45 gasp! 00:19:55 hazmat! i am not so shallow! 00:20:14 lol 00:32:58 markd2 has quit ("wheeeee") 00:36:27 markd2 (~markd2@r-41.36.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 00:53:32 davb (~chatzilla@alb-24-58-161-172.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 01:13:39 I'll be darned 01:13:46 I think foxsports.com uses AOLserver 01:13:56 sweet 01:14:18 The login page looks remarkably ACS'is 01:14:21 s/is/ish/ 01:14:36 http://foxsports.lycos.com/user/register/registration.adp?registrationCallbackUrl= 01:14:37 A: http://foxsports.lycos.com/user/register/registration.adp?registrationCallbackUrl= from rbm 01:14:53 Why do I have to login to see TV listings?! Grrrr! 01:15:30 This site is unbearable... You have to download 2 Mb of Flash crap before you can see anything. 01:15:34 that is very silly. 01:15:48 yeah, they use aolserver. i've seen the developer post on the aolserver listserv 01:15:55 this is worse: Title: Unchecked Buffer in Windows Shell Could Lead to Code 01:17:26 * rbm plays elevator on xmame 01:17:38 mozilla mail still sucks 01:17:59 I must find a decent windows client. 01:18:55 they're using aolserver 3.4 01:20:15 * davb gets ready to covert word to html 01:20:55 argh! 01:21:07 davb: antiword 01:21:41 that sounds cool. problem is they use a bunch of images and are too stupid to provide me with the actual images, so I have to somehow extract them from word... 01:22:25 ohmigod, they are a$$holes 01:22:43 they scanned in a borchure from another company and put the entire image on a page, I am supposed to covert this? 01:22:52 I think I will send them a link to the US Copyright law 01:23:44 heh - that is pretty sleazy 01:24:13 no, more dumb. 01:25:27 no, vinod's not dumb. so he must be sleazy 01:25:59 i think vinod is dumb and sleazy 01:26:03 who says i can't be both *wink wink* 01:26:07 oh... wait 01:26:11 hey! 01:26:22 see? 01:28:23 going back to the light side... 01:28:24 davb has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.5 [Mozilla rv:0.9.8/20020204]") 01:37:03 argh. elevator doesn't let you continue 01:39:22 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 01:39:46 elevator? 01:41:01 markd2: Yeah, the arcade game 01:42:24 cool. I'm not familiar with that one 01:43:54 It's a classig 01:43:57 classic even 01:44:27 is that one where you're a spy going down to the bottom floor? 01:50:25 good evening 01:52:15 yo doc! 01:52:23 how's it goin', markd? 01:53:04 elevator action 01:53:45 goin' good 01:54:33 cool 01:54:36 rolf and i just ate pizza 01:54:40 we are full and tired. 01:55:01 gonna take him harness racing? 01:55:06 I hear he likes the harness 01:55:13 hehe 01:55:22 he's begging to go back to the track 01:55:27 but i fear he's got a problem with gambling 01:55:31 so i'm keeping him away. 01:57:59 must....work.... 01:58:09 BACK TO WORK, SLAVE!!!! 01:58:18 uh, that must be your concience speaking 01:59:22 so i finally snapped 01:59:28 and built 01:59:32 IT 01:59:38 THE LAST PC YOU WILL EVER DESIRE 01:59:40 you've got a Megway? 01:59:41 she's hot! 01:59:43 oh 01:59:50 http://www.wolfwater.com/articles/showarticle.php?name=building-silent-pc 01:59:50 B: http://www.wolfwater.com/articles/showarticle.php?name=building-silent-pc from docwolf 02:00:15 rolf's TiBook is the loudest laptop i've ever heard 02:00:29 just the hard drive, or the fan going too? 02:00:34 fan 02:00:42 he must be doing something 'odd', 02:00:43 when it cranks up, it's super-loud 02:00:45 yeah 02:00:47 it almost never comes on for me 02:02:21 instead of using water to cool the systems (whcih makes you nervous it seems) 02:02:24 just use mercury 02:02:25 under pressure 02:02:27 that'll work better 02:04:09 markd2: Yes, that's the game. 02:04:34 an awesome game 02:05:21 mercury, eh... 02:05:59 and friction-fit hoses 02:09:07 this PC 02:09:10 that i built 02:09:19 is essentially silent. totally freaky. 02:09:29 can't hear it over the ambient noise in the room. 02:09:40 you should get some noise-cancellation technology too 02:09:43 for that last little bit 02:09:54 hehe 02:11:05 even i'm not that nuts-o 02:12:49 I dunno 02:13:03 making the machine and writing it up on the internet sounds obsessive compulsive 02:13:10 hehe 02:13:17 jabba__ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:13:18 * markd2 prescribes some zoloft 02:13:21 actually, i was just getting annoyed with the SilentPC yahoo group 02:13:29 you're probably maniac / depressing too 02:13:40 b/c they give all kinds of weird advice 02:13:43 i'm manic 02:18:06 docwolf: silent pc? What CPU do you have? My biggest complaint with newer CPUs is that you need to ear ear plugs when you're working because of the fan noise 02:18:16 s/^ear/wear/ 02:18:27 you need to ear wear plugs? :-) 02:19:15 markd2: Well, the ^ is to match "ear" from the beginning of the phrase. If, however, I had used s/ear$/wear/ then you'd be correct. 02:20:00 ah 02:20:05 I could never get those regexps 02:20:24 * rbm hits markd2 repeatedly with Mastering Regular Expressions 02:20:33 ow! ow! ow! 02:21:01 put it under your desk. 02:21:07 * rbm continues to chug away in converting this ACS Permissions tediously explained 02:21:13 converting HTML to docbook is tedious 02:21:18 MDF is a great sound insulator 02:21:55 BTW, if any of you have hardware lying around that you don't want anymore, I accept donations :) 02:21:58 unless you have a cheap desk made from some other material... 02:22:13 P120? 02:22:24 P200 also 02:22:32 davb: P2's and above. Anything else isn't worth the shipping :) 02:23:09 ok. 02:23:25 I have an incredible array of 486 class devices that still work. 02:23:39 or did when they were taken out of service. 02:34:43 denshi has quit () 02:37:36 http://www.wplug.org/pipermail/wplug/2002-January/002292.html 02:37:37 C: http://www.wplug.org/pipermail/wplug/2002-January/002292.html from markd2 02:38:18 C:|someone who recycles old computers and makes them available to struggling communities in Mexico 02:38:18 titled item C 02:39:00 C: more elaboration : http://www.wplug.org/pipermail/wplug/2002-January/002295.html 02:39:01 commented item C 03:11:42 I just had a cool idea. 03:12:05 I am going to setup an ETP for my top secret project under a restricted directory. 03:12:34 I really should switch over my business site to OpenACS 4. I am trying to sell it to people :) 03:16:38 or you could say, "it's *so* good, even i can't afford it, but i might be able to get you a deal" 03:16:54 heh 03:16:59 ETP has bugs. 03:17:13 If you create a folder, then a subfolder of that and stick ETP int it, it seems to break... 03:17:19 investigating. 03:17:29 it won't let you _then_ add a subtopic 03:18:35 i haven't got a chance to investigate ETP much yet. i'm working on getting bboard to behave 03:18:47 great! 03:18:49 wait for ETP 2 03:19:07 will do - i read lukes doc and everyones comments and they seemed to make sense 03:19:12 I might be able to have some workflow stuff in it next week. 03:19:18 awesome! 03:19:32 note to all - davb is now the workflow guy 03:19:36 except I am worried that every screen adds 2 or 3 rows in a workflow table. 03:19:49 that for basic UI stuff is useless. 03:19:50 :) 03:20:24 so workflow might not be a super replacement for widget-view widget-edit widget-edit-2 kind of stuff. 03:20:30 hmmm.. yeah, i'm not too good at determining when things like that will start affecting performance 03:20:37 me neither. 03:20:44 I know 512MB ram sure helps alot! 03:20:50 haha 03:21:21 it takes minutes to startup OACS 4 with 256, but with the extra ram it restarts in less than 30 secs 03:21:33 (running X in the too that is) 03:22:12 throw a couple more netscapes into the mix 03:22:27 yeah, that always improves performance :) 03:23:13 oops :) [07/Mar/2002:22:18:35][12062.1925126][-conn282-] Error: Ns_PgExec: result statu\ 03:23:13 s: 7 message: ERROR: -20000: This folder does not allow subfolders to be creat\ 03:23:13 ed 03:23:59 markd2 has quit ("Bork") 03:24:51 oops. the new etp is grabbing another packages content... 03:26:21 its not setting the parameters in cr_folders correctly. 03:27:39 hmmm, that didn't help 03:29:48 ah new error at least :) 03:30:06 thank god for small miracles :-) 03:30:42 actually I was wrong. it still says I am not allowed to create subfolders. 03:30:51 d'oh 03:31:12 I think it is because I mounted etp in a sub-subfolder. the fodler above is empty. 03:31:30 it is not a cr_folder, just a site_map node. 03:32:00 and I did this on the live site instead of the test server. that'll teach me! 03:34:06 :-) 03:34:33 * vinod is hoping to learn from davb's mistakes 03:34:39 but i probably won't 03:34:46 hmmm. I have TWO packages now. packge_name and package_name_Edit_This_Page 03:35:11 weird. 03:35:22 you mean in the APM? or installed on the site map 03:36:15 APM 03:36:17 argh 03:36:22 all the folders are there.... :) 03:36:22 wow - that is weird 03:36:30 in site-map anyway 03:37:00 its too late. now Ihave about 8 extra etp instances I don't need :( 03:37:13 ugly 03:37:45 and never mind about the double packages, I added those :) 03:38:24 the cloud of mystery thins a bit :-) 03:38:37 * davb tries unmounting and deleting the packages... 03:38:55 it seems to be not working... 03:39:26 i'm always scared to start that prcess because drop_scripts suck 03:39:52 this is worse. deleting a apackage_instance. there is really no code to actually do this. 03:40:04 if a pcakge has not data, it should work though. 03:40:05 ahhh 03:40:22 I think I will have to do it from psql. 03:45:58 something is making my delete pl/pgsql procs take way too long. 03:48:04 the delete function may actually have been workiing, just really slowly. 03:49:25 ok, anyone who is awake, what music are you listening to? I am listening to Classic Jazz Corner by dr. horner from Live365.com 03:50:06 i'm watching the news 03:50:13 ah, sure :) 03:50:48 ok, ok... i'm waiting for the simpsons to come on 03:51:01 heh 03:52:00 * vinod is loading his fixed bboard package in oracle 03:52:11 It is almost a full time job just to keep up with MS security patches at work for 40 PCs. 03:52:16 wow oracle! 03:52:53 lemme tell ya - oracle is sloooow on a machine with 192 mb 03:53:10 yes. it is slow on a machine with 320mb too :) 03:53:30 woohoo - datamodel loaded. i don't think i've ever made changes without at least 1 typo 03:53:37 I haven't installed on this new one though. 03:53:44 hopefully the drop script works :) 03:54:35 heh 04:01:55 OK I deleted all the content_items and cr_folders 04:02:50 did the drop script work? 04:03:08 hmm. posts to the aD bboardl 04:03:12 I didn;t try it. I am trying to jus get rid of the bogus instances I mounted. 04:03:12 bboards even 04:03:40 and Michael Yoon replied. What's up there? 04:03:57 apm_package__delete fails if a package owns any acs_objects in the system, but does not try to delete them. this is were on delete cascade does the work for you (if it was used :) 04:04:10 rbm: wow! 04:04:24 davb: right 04:05:31 doing it manually actually worked. although there were few revisions. 04:05:45 actually content_item__delete does work to delete the revisions for you at least. 04:06:05 but wow the functions are running really slow. 04:06:15 davb: so what's ETP good for anyways? Since you seem to be on top of the game there. 04:06:32 rbm: everything :) 04:06:44 davb: A little more detail please? 04:06:58 I looked at it a while ago and it was great. 04:07:11 actually it is good for site-provided content. I haven;t looked at accepting visitor submissions like news etc... 04:07:35 So it's a way for different people to submit and organize content right? 04:07:37 You can specify a content_type and assign templates to it. very nice. 04:07:57 sure. if you set the permissions you could have different sections for different people or groups. 04:08:32 How about building other applications/packages on top of it? What would be some things that would make sense to build on ETP? 04:08:36 the next version looks like it iwll be even easier to use. 04:08:56 rbm: I am going to build a classified ad system, job posting, etc.... 04:09:06 but for that I need the user-submitted stuff :) 04:09:15 davb: Oh. I'd be interested in the classified ads system. 04:09:23 Sure :) I will share. 04:09:40 I'm thinking of building an inventory tracking system with it. 04:09:41 actually I will probably solicit feedback on a design. 04:09:58 would it need to synch with another database or something? 04:10:20 Possibly. I think I'll have to have something where clients will synch with it. 04:10:32 It might be able to do that. if I can do it, ETP should be able to do it. 04:10:39 Which I don't know how I'll do yet 04:11:13 because you will be able to assign workflows to the ETP types. and the stages at the workflow can fire pl/pgsql procs that "do stuff" 04:11:40 davb: ?? What are you referring to? You lost me there. 04:11:43 you can provide templates to acs_workflow so that it manages the page flow between the different application states. 04:12:19 rbm; etp itself has no provisions to keep track of stuff like the status of an inventory. I can imagine there is a process of some sort that it goes through. 04:12:37 so workflow could be added to make sure all the steps were taken etc.. 04:12:39 davb: Don't I have to have the datamodel for my application? 04:12:46 rbm; Yes :) 04:12:57 I should stop asking dumb questions and just RTFM 04:13:09 workflow just handles the transitions between steps. 04:13:23 I guess I'm not familiar with workflow either. 04:13:38 Debian's Postgres update scripts are nice. 04:13:41 I am probably not explaining it well. I just started to understand it myself this afternoon. 04:13:50 darn. I was using source. 04:14:15 I could not get OpenFTS to work without the source because I needed to compile intarray from the contrib directory. 04:14:46 davb: Just install the Debian contrib package 04:14:59 ah, duh. I'll try that! 04:15:04 (PostgreSQL contrib package that is) 04:15:32 davb: apt-cache show postgresql-contrib 04:15:53 intarray - RD-tree data structure using GiST index 04:16:05 exactly :) 04:16:52 I will have to upgrade my database myself, but that sounds cool. 04:17:28 I seem to have expunged the errant package instances. :) 04:18:29 ok. thanks! good night. 04:20:38 'nite 04:23:02 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 04:27:25 argh 04:27:51 you can't have bind variables that are reserved words in oracle 04:28:26 so ... 'update foo where foo_size = :size' fails because 'size' is a reserved word in oracle 05:22:17 anybody alive? 05:24:54 * rbm downloads 05:45:38 vinod has quit ("changing universes") 07:26:55 chrismj (~chrismj@cs6668179-9.austin.rr.com) has joined #openacs 07:27:40 I just loaded the bboard application for the first time, and it says I need to restart the server. can I do that from the web admin interface? 07:57:57 andyn has quit ("leaving") 07:57:58 chrismj has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:00:50 chrismj (~chrismj@cs6668179-9.austin.rr.com) has joined #openacs 09:06:25 chrismj has quit ("[BX] Amount of time you people were funny: -59 minutes 42 seconds") 13:23:12 dlk (dlk@walter.ita.chalmers.se) has joined #openacs 13:30:49 davb (~dave@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 14:30:22 davb has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:44:20 markd2 (~markd2@r-41.102.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 15:57:15 morning all 16:07:44 dlk has quit () 16:07:49 hi 16:07:49 hello, markd2 16:07:57 how are you, paje? 16:07:58 you know how it is 16:08:00 vinod? 16:08:00 somebody said vinod was dumb and sleazy 16:08:04 vinod? 16:08:04 vinod is dumb and sleazy 16:08:08 yay! 16:08:14 22 / 7. 16:08:20 22.0 / 7.0 16:08:20 3.14285714285714 16:08:23 pi! 16:08:34 again! is spanks talli 16:08:36 again! 16:08:39 paje: again! 16:08:40 * paje spanks talilee 16:08:50 again! is also spanks talli 16:08:50 okay, markd2. 16:08:54 paje: again! 16:08:54 * paje spanks talilee or spanks talli 16:08:58 grrr 16:09:01 forget again! 16:09:14 again! is spanks talli | spanks talilee 16:09:18 paje, again! 16:09:19 * paje spanks talilee or spanks talli 16:09:20 paje, again! 16:09:20 * paje spanks talilee or spanks talli 16:09:23 forget again! 16:09:28 again! is spanks talli 16:18:39 Lots of spanking going on...and I missed it :) 16:20:58 paje, again! 16:20:58 * paje spanks talilee or spanks talli 16:21:02 forget again! 16:21:04 literal again! 16:21:04 markd2: again! =is= spanks talilee or spanks talli 16:21:12 paje, forget again! 16:21:12 markd2, I didn't have anything matching again 16:21:17 paje, forget again 16:21:17 markd2, I didn't have anything matching again 16:21:20 hmmmm 16:22:43 paje, again! 16:22:43 * paje spanks talli 16:25:16 k2pts (~nkd@adsl-168-174.cytanet.com.cy) has joined #openacs 16:25:24 paje, again! 16:25:24 * paje spanks talli 16:25:25 much better 16:25:28 :) 16:25:40 markd2: how's it going? 16:25:44 going well 16:25:49 the weather is turning nice here 16:25:58 so I have the windows open, enjoying the breeze 16:25:59 the weather is always nice in Cyprus 16:26:12 It's like summer here already 16:26:35 california's weather is much like Cyprus (but we've got more humidity here) 16:27:08 paje, again! 16:27:08 * paje spanks talli 16:27:16 paje, again! again! 16:27:16 k2pts: sorry... 16:27:24 paje, ok again! 16:27:24 * paje spanks talli 16:27:36 paje, just one more again! 16:27:36 k2pts: excuse me? 16:27:48 paje, again! one more time that is 16:27:48 OK, k2pts. 16:27:54 paje, again! 16:27:54 * paje spanks talli 16:28:09 paje, again! 16:28:09 * paje spanks talli 16:28:17 paje, again! 16:28:17 * paje spanks talli 16:28:32 paje: talli didn't get back to my email, again! 16:28:32 k2pts: sorry... 16:28:35 paje, again! 16:28:35 * paje spanks talli 16:28:49 hey talli 16:28:51 this channel gets better and better 16:28:53 hey k2pts 16:29:06 The weather here was nice on tuesday and wednesday (not to the point of opening windows though) and then yesterday we got a pile of snow. 16:29:13 luckily it melt pretty quickly 16:29:13 wow 16:29:30 talli: do you like spanking? 16:29:41 And I'm hearing tractors outside so I think it snowed last night too 16:29:54 i like paje's spanking 16:29:58 :) 17:22:16