IRC log of openacs on 2002-03-07

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00:00:20 [denshi]
I don
00:00:33 [denshi]
I don't know what talli is asking for, but I think it involves goethe.
00:48:06 [davb]
davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs
00:52:15 [denshi]
davb!
00:53:12 [davb]
hi denshi.
00:53:31 [denshi]
data migration hell completed?
00:53:36 [davb]
* davb has had his eyes dilated and has to sit 5 feet away to see the screen...
00:53:55 [davb]
denshi: not quite. almost. but we can't get overtime so we go home at regular time :)
00:54:12 [denshi]
woohoo!
00:54:46 [denshi]
did you see Jun's post on /bboard about mmbase?
00:54:52 [denshi]
I'm reading their docs now.
00:55:12 [denshi]
it is, I think, the most completely insane system I have ever seen.
00:56:18 [denshi]
the persistence layer involves throwing a packet of data into a swirling black maelstrom of unmodeled chaos.
00:56:35 [denshi]
intentionally unmodeled chaos, I should point out.
00:57:14 [denshi]
The query system involves calling on the favor of ancient forgotten gods, such as Borges may have written about.
00:59:06 [denshi]
Wait, it's all becoming clear now -- mmbase is writing "The Library of Babel", from Borges' Labyrinths collection.
01:19:56 [davb]
I have heard of it before.
01:20:04 [davb]
cool.
01:20:16 [davb]
I like the features of ezpublish.
01:21:50 [davb]
http://developer.ez.no/article/static/7
01:21:52 [chump]
A: http://developer.ez.no/article/static/7 from davb
01:21:52 [talli]
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01:22:05 [davb]
A:| EZ Publish, nice CMS like features, PHP and MySQL
01:22:06 [chump]
titled item A
01:23:52 [davb]
A: has good support for adding photos to pages
01:23:52 [chump]
commented item A
01:25:08 [davb]
A: I have not looked at the actual code
01:25:08 [chump]
commented item A
01:37:36 [vinod]
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01:37:47 [vinod]
hey everyone
01:37:52 [vinod]
rbm: you there?
01:37:56 [rbm]
vinod: hey
01:38:03 [rbm]
I'm getting ready to leave to our LUG meeting
01:38:11 [vinod]
ok, cool.
01:38:23 [vinod]
i'll just type and you can read the logs later
01:38:36 [vinod]
or should i send ya an email?
01:39:14 [vinod]
basically <xsl:output media-type="text/html" encoding="iso-8859-1"/> needs to be added to openacs.xsl
01:39:39 [rbm]
oh
01:39:47 [rbm]
at the top?
01:39:50 [vinod]
then, try to regenerate the html and upload it to openacs.org and see if that fixes it
01:40:04 [rbm]
okay, I'll try as soon as I get back (in about 2 hours)
01:40:07 [vinod]
i think so (i put it just under the xsl:import tag
01:40:20 [vinod]
cool!
01:40:35 [rbm]
I think we need to re-work some things on the install guide
01:40:42 [vinod]
i'm not sure if that will fix it, but i'm hoping it will
01:41:08 [vinod]
i've made a bunch of fixes today that i need to commit
01:41:46 [vinod]
to the install guide, that is
01:41:59 [rbm]
okay.
01:42:22 [rbm]
parts of the install guide assume you're compiling PG from scratch for example, which might not be true
01:42:46 [vinod]
yeah, it all assumes that :-)
01:46:14 [rbm]
i need to look at jmarsden's oacs 4 rpms since i'm planning to make debian packages
01:46:58 [rbm]
* rbm goes out
01:47:54 [vinod]
cool!
01:48:22 [vinod]
* vinod is still looking forward to shagster's one-touch ecommerce-site-in-a-box install :-)
01:55:06 [davb]
the one that wires all the money to shagsters off-shore account?
01:55:10 [davb]
oops :)
01:55:16 [vinod]
haha
01:57:53 [denshi]
vinod, hey!
01:58:31 [vinod]
dens, hi!
01:58:57 [vinod]
* vinod has a job interview in nyc on friday
01:59:10 [davb]
cool!
01:59:28 [denshi]
for what?
01:59:33 [vinod]
yeah, i'm a little suspicious though
01:59:48 [vinod]
denshi: to be a internal medicine doctor in east harlem
02:00:30 [vinod]
i talked to the chief of medicine today and as he described the position, he kept stopping and saying "are you sure you're still interested?"
02:01:12 [denshi]
huh.
02:02:54 [denshi]
are you already in nyc?
02:03:09 [vinod]
nope - boston, but i want to make the move
02:04:41 [denshi]
..... I think I'm going to be in nyc weekend after this one.
02:05:44 [vinod]
i'll be working up here that weekend. ya gonna finally give talli that ass-whuppin he's been asking for?
02:07:20 [denshi]
yes. Then I'll mail you his pants.
02:08:32 [vinod]
ahhh... you're assuming that his "girlfriend/stalkee" isn't wearing them already
02:11:25 [denshi]
I'm assuming his stalkee will be too big for his pants.
02:13:56 [denshi]
I'm reading the log from the slashdot IRC q&a earlier today.... those guys live in a universe all their own.
02:14:00 [vinod]
ouch. i'm all for raggin on talli, but i think his stalkee deservers more respect
02:14:05 [vinod]
:-)
02:16:17 [talli]
* talli returns, only to find all of his cyber friends tearing apart his hard earned self-esteem
02:17:35 [vinod]
* vinod sheds a tear and apologizes profusely (meanwhile looking for the left hook that is coming from the other side)
02:17:38 [talli]
gasp!
02:18:59 [denshi]
* denshi looks for austin apartments...
02:19:28 [talli]
* talli prepares vinod's welcome to NYC
02:19:41 [vinod]
denshi: what? for a parking spot?
02:20:03 [vinod]
uhoh...
02:20:06 [denshi]
vinod: for a 1BR apartment near campus.
02:20:14 [talli]
denshi, why are you going to be in NYC?
02:20:30 [denshi]
going to be in Pittsburgh by next thursday. We
02:20:32 [talli]
chasing after the elusive multi-user programming language?
02:20:55 [denshi]
We're going to hit a couple parties, then head to either NYC or Toronto for a few days.
02:21:11 [denshi]
as for the language, I have my first stab at a run-time up and working.
02:21:29 [denshi]
it's pretty simple, and I know it's insufficient, but it's a start.
02:21:53 [vinod]
cool!
02:22:06 [talli]
killer
02:22:20 [talli]
why not use your idea as a undergrad project?
02:22:38 [talli]
get credit for your work, at least
02:22:45 [denshi]
god I love LISP. I went to the pub, got plastered, talked anthro to a waitress for an hour, then saw that the symbol system in LISP makes a first stab trivial.
02:22:49 [talli]
because i'm going to steal your idea real quick
02:23:00 [denshi]
talli: you read my mind. Both the research, and the stealing.
02:23:04 [vinod]
haha
02:23:17 [vinod]
you mean, god do i love beer!
02:23:22 [denshi]
that too!
02:23:49 [talli]
* talli continues rubbing his temples and peers deeper into denshi's convoluted and perverted yet amusing train wreck of a mind
02:24:11 [talli]
speaking of beer.... must get me a bottle o' guiness.
02:24:11 [talli]
brb
02:24:17 [denshi]
hahaha. Thank you.... I think.
02:24:30 [denshi]
red wine for me... brb
02:24:56 [vinod]
oh - the peer pressure... brb
02:25:37 [talli]
vinod, aren't hindus both temperant and vegetarian?
02:25:49 [talli]
what were you to do in wisconsin?
02:26:26 [denshi]
I was under the impression that hindus are severly *not* temperant, and avoid beef.
02:26:48 [talli]
perhaps i have the term wrong, which would not be a first
02:26:54 [vinod]
* vinod is unclear of the word temperant
02:27:03 [vinod]
wow, that was a good sentence
02:27:05 [talli]
termerance != abstaining from alcohol?
02:27:36 [denshi]
I have yet to meet a hindu who doesn't drink. You may be thinking of sikhs.
02:27:40 [talli]
temperance = * Restraint in the use of or abstinence from alcoholic liquor
02:28:00 [vinod]
ahh.. possibly, talli, but when in wisconsin, you do as the wisconsinites. religion be damned :-)
02:28:00 [denshi]
oops.. not sikhs, jains.
02:28:06 [talli]
haha
02:28:11 [denshi]
what, drink to stay warm?
02:28:21 [talli]
jains ought to be commended, and then laughed at
02:28:38 [talli]
whoops
02:28:39 [vinod]
denshi: that and to support the local economy
02:29:01 [denshi]
IIRC, jains also avoid garlic.
02:29:16 [talli]
* talli realizes that he has just ruined his political ambitions for the mayoral seat of varanasi
02:29:25 [talli]
IIRC, jains avoid stepping on ants
02:29:43 [denshi]
I feel the need to support religions that discourage bad breath.
02:30:04 [vinod]
yep, and in some extremes, they wear masks over their mouths to prevent microorganisms from being inhaled
02:30:08 [talli]
denshi, i too support vinod's quest to lead a cult
02:30:42 [denshi]
he should join the /. crew then.
02:30:55 [talli]
i could never be a jain. it would undermine my belief that vinod MUST BE CRUSHED!!!
02:31:04 [vinod]
yes - organized religions of all types are easy targets for ridicule (except for Vinodiasm)
02:31:04 [denshi]
before you came back in, I was reading their irc log from today.
02:31:30 [talli]
vinodiasm? is that some kind of lower form of sexual arousal?
02:31:40 [talli]
ugh
02:31:49 [denshi]
I could buy vinod as a bodhisattva.... not sure of what, though.
02:32:06 [talli]
that irc log must be the worst recording of nazi propoganda...
02:32:43 [denshi]
it's just nuts. taco is crying about suing alterslash for copyright infringement.
02:32:49 [talli]
no way!
02:32:50 [vinod]
denshi: wow, high praise (i think)
02:33:01 [docwolf]
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02:33:06 [talli]
irony will never cease!
02:33:13 [docwolf]
so i says, find it yourself you baloney
02:33:15 [denshi]
HELLO! MCFLY! What has the /. crew EVER written!! (Except a manual for poor grammar, of course.)
02:33:18 [talli]
that being said, here comes docwolf
02:33:19 [docwolf]
you make me want to wretch
02:33:30 [docwolf]
oh, is this thing on?
02:33:33 [vinod]
docwolf: stop talkin to rolf
02:33:34 [docwolf]
hi everybody!
02:33:58 [denshi]
hello, mr. wolf.
02:34:01 [rzolf]
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02:34:09 [denshi]
gah! run for it!
02:34:33 [rzolf]
more importantly, how does little Jose Farkas feel about that.
02:35:12 [talli]
vinod, good point
02:35:15 [docwolf]
oh my
02:35:25 [docwolf]
stop dissing our alternative lifestyle
02:35:33 [vinod]
ok, i know i've sunk too low when talli complements me
02:35:40 [docwolf]
the miata is a masculine vehicle
02:35:42 [talli]
at least the kid will never want for corrective eye wear
02:35:53 [docwolf]
http://www.pixyland.org/peterpan/
02:35:54 [chump]
B: http://www.pixyland.org/peterpan/ from docwolf
02:35:56 [docwolf]
he told me so
02:36:10 [talli]
docwolf, is lasik the bane of your existence?
02:36:43 [rzolf]
wait, is rosie odonnell gay now??
02:36:54 [talli]
all of a sudden
02:37:04 [talli]
she just woke up one morning and POOF! she was gay
02:37:15 [rzolf]
so i'm going to have to figure out a new celebrity crush.
02:37:20 [vinod]
haha
02:37:26 [rzolf]
this is just like when i found out mindy cohn was gay.
02:37:57 [docwolf]
i thought she was a big tom cruise fan
02:38:06 [talli]
we'll always have liberace, though
02:38:11 [docwolf]
liberace was gay?
02:38:19 [talli]
he wasn't?
02:38:26 [docwolf]
he's 100% man
02:38:38 [rzolf]
guys, please stop shattering my world view.
02:39:02 [talli]
where, oh where, docwolf did you find peter pan's website?
02:39:16 [rzolf]
at pixyland, duh.
02:39:23 [talli]
touche
02:39:29 [bartt]
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02:39:54 [bartt]
Hello all, any body there?
02:39:58 [talli]
nope
02:40:11 [docwolf]
pixyland isn't too far from here
02:40:16 [talli]
denshi, don't think i missed your questioning of my relevance
02:40:16 [denshi]
nobody here but us chickens.
02:40:19 [rzolf]
* rzolf misplaced the Wham! album again.
02:40:21 [docwolf]
nor is DEREK SMART, THE TACO SUPREME
02:40:29 [denshi]
oh god.
02:40:37 [vinod]
hi bartt
02:41:01 [bartt]
Has anyone noticed how comments are automatically deleted from the database after a while?
02:41:01 [talli]
derek , tell us about your latest discovery in the world of amazing deals and low low prices
02:41:07 [talli]
uh oh
02:41:16 [talli]
davb and k2pts have been discussing that one
02:41:26 [bartt]
Hi vinod, I'm here to bug you all with a question
02:41:42 [vinod]
bug away :-) no guarantees on the answer
02:42:23 [bartt]
I learned about the disappearing comments while working with ETP. Don't know if it is specific to ETP though. Should I ping davb?
02:42:54 [bartt]
Isn't k2pts out of reach? Didn't he slip away ...
02:42:55 [talli]
bartt, apparently the general comments get wiped out of the db every 24 hours
02:43:18 [vinod]
ummm.. davb may have looked into it. here's what i know (or think i know)
02:43:21 [talli]
you may want to ping neophytos at k2pts@cytanet.com.cy
02:43:30 [talli]
or post something to the bboards
02:43:34 [vinod]
bboard and gc both store content as acs_messages
02:43:56 [bartt]
I've taken a peek at the general comments package but nothing stood out as obvious.
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02:44:08 [talli]
wait... how did we all of a sudden start talking about OACS?
02:44:13 [talli]
can we get back off track?
02:44:21 [vinod]
bboard has a proc that does garbagecollection to delete messages that are no longer relevant, but it deletes all acs_messages which aren't relevant to bboard (i.e. every gc message)
02:44:30 [bartt]
That is right vinod, so I also took a look at acs_messages but the documentation wasn't very useful.
02:44:48 [talli]
* talli goes back to get another beer and hopes this channel decides to talk about something less relevant before he gets back
02:45:23 [talli]
damn
02:45:37 [bartt]
So I should take a look at bboard. Thanks for the pointer vinod. Talli, thanks for k2pts's e-mail address. Carry on ...
02:45:45 [vinod]
i think the problem is in bboard_garbage_collect in bboard-procs.tcl
02:47:39 [talli]
k2pts was talking about rewriting messaging and comments, but i don't know if he just threw that out there
02:48:10 [talli]
B: docwolf's therapist's homepage
02:48:11 [chump]
commented item B
02:54:50 [davb]
bartt, let me search the log. there is a sweeper proc in bboard that deletes the comments...
02:56:03 [talli]
denshi, i'm reading the slashdot logs now
02:56:08 [bartt]
davb, I'll take a at my logs too
02:56:11 [talli]
now wonder those asses make bad code
02:56:16 [talli]
their complete idiots
02:57:03 [denshi]
true.
02:57:09 [davb]
13:47:27 <k2pts> the problem with general_comments is in the bboard_garbage_collect_postgresql function
02:57:10 [davb]
13:47:49 <k2pts> both bboard messages and general comments are stored as object_type='acs_message'
02:57:36 [denshi]
I'm reading Jonathan Rees' master's thesis. This guy is some kind of mutant.
02:57:46 [talli]
who's he?
02:58:10 [davb]
is that from the summer of langauges you referred to before?
02:58:18 [denshi]
primary developer on T, about which I linked to before.
02:58:25 [talli]
ah, right
02:58:59 [davb]
good night all!
02:59:03 [vinod]
bartt: the get_orphans query needs another and clause that checks to see if bboard_message__message_p is true
02:59:06 [denshi]
I'm reading this and thinking his brain must not fit entirely inside his skull - he must keep his back-up brain strapped around his torso.
02:59:06 [talli]
see ya davb
02:59:09 [denshi]
night davb
02:59:14 [vinod]
night davb
02:59:27 [bartt]
night davb
02:59:27 [davb]
denshi: very interesting
02:59:29 [davb]
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02:59:34 [talli]
i keep my back up brain... wait.
02:59:46 [bartt]
I'll give if a wirl vinod.
02:59:47 [talli]
* talli goes to look for where he left his backup brain
03:00:30 [denshi]
maybe you left it with your stalkee?
03:00:37 [talli]
oh, right
03:00:47 [vinod]
bartt: actually, that won't work. bboard_message__message_p only checks to see if the message_id is in acs_messages (grrr!)
03:00:55 [talli]
that bitch. i'll have to sneak through her window tonigth to get it back...
03:01:27 [denshi]
have you developed that?
03:01:31 [vinod]
talli: that might be a good time to install that webcam, ya know
03:01:42 [talli]
oh, right. good idea vinod
03:01:59 [talli]
i guess i should use your experience more often
03:03:10 [bartt]
vinod, the get_orphans query hasn't been ported either. There appears to be some unfinished work here.
03:03:52 [denshi]
hey, where did doc & igorzolf go?
03:04:18 [talli]
tending to jose, i assume
03:04:19 [vinod]
bartt: actually, it's a PG only query. it's called from the function above only if the db_type is postgresql
03:05:19 [bartt]
Still shouldn't the query be in the postrgresql.xql file? If only for consistency.
03:05:30 [vinod]
right - definitely
03:07:35 [denshi]
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03:08:06 [talli]
vinod, where are you going at the beginning of april?
03:09:12 [vinod]
to russia and finland. my father is going for work and i'm tagging along :-)
03:09:22 [talli]
whoa. not bad
03:09:45 [vinod]
yeah - should be cool!
03:10:04 [vinod]
he's a PhD in allergy and will be giving some talks, so he's volunteered me to talk about "medical informatics"
03:10:16 [talli]
haha. nice
03:10:18 [vinod]
of course, now i gotta make some BS up
03:10:42 [talli]
tell them about general comments. what will they know?
03:10:51 [vinod]
haha
03:11:25 [denshi]
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03:11:31 [vinod]
"ok, now that we've briefly mentioned the word medicine, I'm going to dive into the sql files."
03:15:37 [rzolf]
"the problems of bioinformatics are boring, and the people who work on them are boring people" -- James D. Watson
03:16:04 [vinod]
heh - yeah but what did Watson ever do that was important ;-)
03:16:20 [vinod]
but i do find bioinformatics boring
03:17:09 [vinod]
i find medical informatics slightly less boring, but neither is as fun as medicine or computer science by themselves
03:17:19 [rzolf]
sadly, that is how watson would start his lectures at bioinformatics conferences.
03:17:52 [vinod]
wow
03:18:14 [rzolf]
then he would go into his standard spiel about how he scientifically deduced that "food and sunlight make people happy"
03:18:49 [rzolf]
make a few off-color comments, offending asians and or women
03:19:06 [rzolf]
then show some slides of former colleagues, and make fun of their research
03:19:11 [rzolf]
then wrap it up.
03:19:29 [vinod]
heh - makes rms look warm and engaging
03:20:03 [rzolf]
my uncle played smithers to watson's burns for about 8 years.
03:20:12 [vinod]
really!
03:20:15 [rzolf]
yeah.
03:20:38 [vinod]
did he slowly become more and more insane or was he always like that?
03:20:39 [talli]
whoa. so who's who in boca?
03:21:17 [rzolf]
he was always like that. however his research into the "Sunlight and Eating" theory of happiness got more involved as the years went on.
03:21:53 [rzolf]
it is genius. whomever would have thought that being outside during the daytime, and eating food would make people happy?
03:22:02 [bartt]
vinod: the crux seems to be to identify an acs_message as a message posted on a forum but no longer linked to a forum. Isn't this going to be impossible without a sub-object type or a skinny table like general_comments?
03:22:05 [vinod]
haha
03:22:40 [rzolf]
this is all 2nd hand knowledge passed on from my uncle, of course.
03:22:46 [vinod]
bartt: at first glance i think so (haven't looked too deep)
03:22:57 [rzolf]
but I did see one of his ridiculous conference speeches in NYC.
03:23:02 [talli]
where was watson while he was doing this research?
03:23:03 [vinod]
bartt: bboard_message should really be a subtype of acs_message
03:23:22 [rzolf]
my uncle worked with him when he was at NIH in bethesda.
03:23:29 [rzolf]
now he's back at cold spring harbor
03:23:33 [bartt]
That is what I think!
03:24:10 [bartt]
And so should general_comment.
03:24:49 [rzolf]
the coolest thing about watson is that he readily admits there were 2 other teams that came to the same conclusion as he and crick, its just that they worked extra hard to publish the paper first, so they could claim all the credit.
03:24:54 [vinod]
right. but i think we need to look at acs_messaging and make sure it's built properly before we build on top of it. when i ported it, i thought that it wasn't quite done right
03:26:28 [chris__]
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03:26:54 [chris__]
quick question: how to get the cvs of oacs4 in totality? download all the latest?
03:27:45 [vinod]
http://openacs.org/faq/one?scope=public&faq_id=23#4
03:27:45 [chump]
C: http://openacs.org/faq/one?scope=public&faq_id=23#4 from vinod
03:27:51 [denshi]
umm.... cvs -d:pserver:blahblahblah:/openacs-4 co openacs-4
03:28:00 [vinod]
C:| How to Get OpenACS 4 CVS
03:28:00 [chump]
titled item C
03:28:03 [denshi]
I forget what blahblahblah means.
03:28:14 [chris__]
ok... I saw something like that but with openacs-core, and I didn't want just that.
03:28:32 [vinod]
instead use 'openacs-4' - that gets everything
03:28:37 [denshi]
the above grabs everything in the distro
03:29:43 [bartt]
vinod: which package will remain in the end: acs-messaging or acs-mail?
03:30:23 [chris__]
got it. thx
03:30:32 [vinod]
bartt: i'm not sure. i think it was going to be acs-mail, but i don't like the way it deals with the CR
03:31:26 [vinod]
it basically requires you to create your own content_item and stick the id into a column in acs_mail. I think it should subclass cr_revisions instead (kinda like acs-messaging does)
03:31:42 [vinod]
of course, that is my fault, since I added CR functionality to acs-mail :-)
03:32:15 [vinod]
but i didn't know anything about the CR back then, so I just followed the template that acs-mail followed with acs-content (the lightweight replacement of the CR)
03:32:28 [bartt]
So what originally seemed to be a small oversight might have much larger implications.
03:33:10 [vinod]
right. and again, i still don't know enough to decide whether what acs-mail does now is bad in terms of performance or extensibility
03:33:16 [vinod]
it just *seems* wrong to me
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03:34:12 [vinod]
acs-mail does have more MIME handling capabilities and it's has the potential to receive and process incoming mail, but i think all of that would be easily transferred to acs-messaging
03:36:47 [bartt]
Should we make Don aware of this so that he can decide how to go about the beta release? I'm happy to post a message on the OpenACS bboard.
03:38:42 [vinod]
yeah, i think i mentioned it to him a while back and he agreed that i should try to improve acs-messaging, but I dropped the ball because of time constraints (and brain constraints)
03:39:08 [vinod]
go ahead and post to the bboards
03:43:21 [bartt]
OK vinod.
03:43:57 [chris__]
what's the ETA for the beta release
03:45:04 [vinod]
chris__: i think soon (next couple days?). don't know more than that
03:51:16 [vinod]
bartt: got a question for you.
03:51:52 [vinod]
are you able to get 404 redirects working without hacking any code, just by using the .../redirects param in nsd.tcl?
04:04:09 [rbm]
* rbm moos
04:05:26 [rbm]
vinod: I'll need that xslt line again. You guys talked so much that it got past my log :)
04:06:02 [vinod]
heh - hold on
04:07:04 [vinod]
<xsl:output media-type="text/html" encoding="iso-8859-1"/>
04:07:22 [vinod]
i put it just under the <xsl:import> tag
04:07:23 [rbm]
* rbm adds it to openacs.xsl
04:08:06 [rbm]
I wonder where can we find chuck.xsl so we can put the URL there
04:09:23 [rbm]
BTW, I learned how to make man pages from docbook the other day. Pretty spiffy.
04:10:00 [vinod]
cool!
04:10:22 [rbm]
Much easier than writing nroff directly, albeit much more verbose.
04:12:44 [rbm]
vinod: have you committed your install guide changes yet?
04:13:01 [rbm]
I wanted to convert the ACS Permissions Tediously Explained into the docs set as well.
04:13:20 [vinod]
nope. i'm generating the html right now to make sure i didn't break anything. should be done in a minute
04:13:36 [rbm]
vinod: Okay. I guess you can check what's on openacs.org then.
04:13:44 [rbm]
I mean, wrt to the gremlins
04:13:48 [vinod]
rbm: yeah - that should definitely go in the developer's guide somewhere
04:13:54 [rbm]
I wonder if it's CVS doing something funk
04:13:58 [rbm]
s/$/y/
04:14:42 [vinod]
weird
04:15:57 [rbm]
* rbm attempts the conversion to Docbook
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* denshi goes the fuck home. Night all.
04:17:15 [rbm]
night
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04:17:46 [bartt]
vinod: just got back in.
04:18:36 [bartt]
I used a combination of the redirects params and the modification of the request processor advocated by k2pts
04:20:14 [rbm]
bartt: What modification? This would probably by good to add to the FAQ
04:20:22 [bartt]
As I understand it this gives you the best of both worlds: the modification of the request processor redirects 404 errors to the page of param 404 in the redirects section while the other error messages are not handled by the request processor but taken care of by aolserver.
04:20:51 [bartt]
rdm: I'll add my changes to the FAQ. Good idea.
04:20:59 [rbm]
bartt: Please do
04:22:06 [bartt]
By using the /redirects params all redirection parameters are in the same place. I know that the config file is being demoted but because of the errors handled by Aolserver one can not use APM parameters.
04:22:41 [bartt]
Please visit any random page on http://www.7-sisters.net/ and you'
04:22:56 [bartt]
ll see an example of the 404 redirect.
04:23:37 [rbm]
cool
04:23:46 [rbm]
funky background
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Background at the request of my partner :)
04:25:36 [rbm]
Hmmm, how to do colors in Docbook
04:26:51 [vinod]
bartt: thanks for the explanation. very helpful
04:28:35 [rbm]
vinod: Do you know how to do colors in docbook?
04:29:08 [vinod]
nope. haven't gotten that far yet
04:29:29 [rbm]
hmmkay
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brb
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hithere
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talli: are you there?
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05:45:52 [rbm]
hi
05:50:59 [vinod]
rbm: i have an ugly solution to the funky A problem
05:52:46 [vinod]
we can replace each &#160; in openacs.xsl with <![CDATA[&nbsp;]]> and we'll get &nbsp; instead of the funky A
05:57:00 [rbm]
oh, the xsl thing didn't work?
05:57:13 [rbm]
I'm working on Docbook'ifying the ACS Permissions doc
05:57:18 [rbm]
I think that document is very important
05:57:30 [rbm]
Converting tables is ugly
05:57:47 [vinod]
i don't think so. openacs.org/doc/openacs-4 has the new version, right?
05:58:00 [vinod]
cuz there are still funky A's there
05:58:07 [rbm]
vinod: No, I have to manually update it
05:58:11 [rbm]
Let me do it really quirk
05:58:12 [vinod]
oh
05:58:15 [rbm]
err, quick
05:58:36 [rbm]
Sorry if I made you waste time thinking it didn't work (maybe it did)
05:59:01 [vinod]
np - if it works, i'll be happy :-)
05:59:03 [rbm]
It's updated now
05:59:22 [rbm]
hmmm, still there
05:59:41 [vinod]
yup. damn
06:00:08 [rbm]
You know what I bet it is?
06:00:24 [rbm]
Something funky in the AOLserver we're runnig
06:00:50 [rbm]
Hmmm, we're running 3.3.1ad13, that should do okay shouldn't it?
06:01:24 [vinod]
i think that should have all the internationalization stuff
06:01:32 [rbm]
[07/Mar/2002:00:50:17][10446.17111045][-conn4785-] Notice: ns_getform using encoding iso8859-1 for charset iso-8859-1
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[07/Mar/2002:00:50:18][10446.17112070][-conn4786-] Notice: Someone grabbed /doc/openacs-4/permissions-design.html but we weren't able to offer a comment link because this page isn't registered in the db
06:01:32 [rbm]
[07/Mar/2002:00:50:36][10446.17121288][-conn4787-] Notice: ns_getform using encoding iso8859-1 for charset iso-8859-1
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Looks like it's setting the encoding right
06:02:31 [vinod]
yeah.
06:02:56 [vinod]
so are you generating these with xsltproc and then manually copying them to their web locations?
06:03:58 [rbm]
No, I have a symlink from /web/openacs/doc/openacs-4 to my home dir ~/rmello/openacs-4
06:04:13 [rbm]
In that dir I have a cvs checkout of acs-core-docs
06:04:22 [vinod]
got it
06:04:25 [rbm]
I need to put a cron job doing that checkout for us.
06:04:41 [rbm]
It was the simpler way I found of doing things without breaking links for the 3.x release.
06:05:11 [rbm]
s/checkout/update/
06:08:53 [rbm]
vinod: So I guess we should try your next trick
06:09:20 [vinod]
ok... i'll try it and if it seems to work here, i'll commit in a couple minutes
06:10:04 [rbm]
vinod: k. let me know when and I'll update
06:13:28 [vinod]
rbm. i just did a little test
06:13:50 [vinod]
i symlinked acs-core-docs/www to my openacs-4 installtion and everything looked great
06:14:09 [rbm]
vinod: Oh?
06:14:12 [vinod]
then i symlinked my acs-core-docs/www to my openacs 3.2.5 installation and i got the gremlins
06:14:18 [rbm]
AHA!
06:14:32 [vinod]
my feelings exactly :-)
06:14:46 [rbm]
Probably the ad_html foo then.
06:15:52 [vinod]
so lemme try my ugly trick. if it works, we'll know that we can take it out once openacs.org moves to v4
06:16:16 [rbm]
* rbm reminds himself that The problem is usually in the most stupid place instead of the most complex place
06:16:27 [vinod]
haha
06:16:54 [rbm]
I find that to be more and more true.
06:17:15 [jim]
These (debian developer) applicants are put on hold due to some problem with the application or some other reason:
06:17:20 [vinod]
yeah, i think you're right. i was helping someone through getting daemontools to work today
06:17:22 [jim]
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
06:17:39 [rbm]
The other day I spent one hour trying to debug a network connection to my computer, looking at the cables, switches, using testers, etc. I then remembered that my iptables firewall was up...
06:18:10 [rbm]
jim: Yikes!
06:18:18 [rbm]
jim: Where are you seeing this?
06:18:29 [vinod]
and we kept going deeper and deeper. turned out he had a shell open on another computer with scroll-lock pressed down, so it couldn't reboot
06:18:38 [jim]
nm.debian.org, click on applicants, scroll down :)
06:19:00 [rbm]
vinod: Ahahah
06:19:12 [rbm]
Why's RMS's application held?
06:19:18 [jim]
dunno
06:20:23 [jim]
he's passed advocate, assigned an AM, passed identity, passed philosophy (duh :) he made that philosophy :)
06:20:28 [vinod]
haha
06:21:16 [jim]
* You Application Manager has not approved you to the DAM, they should explain why.
06:21:46 [jim]
* Tasks and Skills to be checked by AM.
06:21:46 [rbm]
Wow. Gotta have balls of steel to reject RMS
06:22:09 [jim]
it doesn't look like a rejection...
06:22:26 [jim]
he wrote emacs, right?
06:22:32 [jim]
and gcc?
06:22:51 [jim]
they know who he is, they should pass him :)
06:23:09 [rbm]
20/02/2002: On hold, Richard still not ready for T&S
06:23:26 [rbm]
I think it's just a time conflict probably
06:23:49 [rbm]
I wonder if rms wants to maintain any packages or just get to vote on debian issues. Probably the latter.
06:23:58 [rbm]
Or even run for DL
06:25:02 [jim]
he certainly could take the packages that has stuff he wrote... he would have that right
06:40:43 [rbm]
vinod: Quick, <br> in docbook?
06:41:51 [vinod]
i'm not sure. i don't think i've seen it used - everything that i've seen has been in <para>'s
06:42:00 [vinod]
there's gotta be some equivalent though
06:42:54 [rbm]
I'd hope so.
06:47:39 [vinod]
this post suggests that there is no equiv
06:47:42 [vinod]
http://archive.linuxfromscratch.org/mail-archives/blfs-dev/2001/10/0006.html
06:47:42 [chump]
D: http://archive.linuxfromscratch.org/mail-archives/blfs-dev/2001/10/0006.html from vinod
06:48:04 [vinod]
D:| br tags in docbook?
06:48:04 [chump]
titled item D
06:48:51 [rbm]
yikes
06:49:09 [vinod]
i don't know if he's an authority or not
06:49:15 [rbm]
I'll just use <para>, no biggie
06:50:11 [vinod]
ok. my test seemed to work. i'm gonna commit the docs now
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vinod, did it commit?
07:01:26 [vinod]
it's working on it (damn dialup)
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07:05:32 [rbm]
ah, okay :)
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07:06:29 [rbm]
sighs... converting tables to docbook is tedious
07:07:30 [rbm]
vinod: Yohoo! Looks like it worked!
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07:08:14 [rbm]
errr, looks like now gremlins are showing up in other places...
07:08:23 [rbm]
http://openacs.org/doc/openacs-4/permissions.html <-- look at the table half-way through the page
07:08:24 [chump]
E: http://openacs.org/doc/openacs-4/permissions.html from rbm
07:08:31 [rbm]
chump: shut up please
07:08:31 [chump]
Not understood: shut up please
07:08:40 [rbm]
paje: insult chump
07:08:41 [paje]
chump is nothing but a bawdy mound of fool-born cold sores.
07:08:48 [rbm]
paje: thanks
07:08:48 [paje]
my pleasure rbm
07:08:56 [rbm]
Now that's a polite bot.
07:09:13 [vinod]
:-)
07:09:17 [rbm]
midnight already. time for cinderella to leave
07:09:28 [vinod]
hmmmm... that's not good - i'll have to investigate tomorrow
07:10:22 [rbm]
sighs, only converted 2 out of 7 tables in this document.
07:10:56 [rbm]
paje: joke
07:10:56 [paje]
rbm: excuse me?
07:13:16 [vinod]
ok, i think those gremlins are happening for the same reason, except they're coming from the XML sheet, rather than the XSL. I'll have to think about that
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07:17:40 [vinod]
ok me need sleep
07:17:52 [vinod]
talk to ya later rbm
07:18:02 [rbm]
later
07:18:04 [rbm]
paje: joke
07:18:05 [paje]
i guess joke is "DOS=HIGH" Hmm, I knew it was on something...
07:18:09 [rbm]
paje: joke
07:18:09 [paje]
joke is Always forgive my enemies. They hate that.
07:18:35 [rbm]
* rbm goes to bed too
07:18:36 [vinod]
heh. i forgive you paje
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anyone awake?
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hi bye
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yonod
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wb
15:06:59 [vinod]
morning all
15:07:17 [vinod]
* vinod curses mornings that start before noon
15:07:17 [markd2]
with tempa-cheer
15:07:26 [markd2]
the worst thing about mornings
15:07:28 [davb]
hi!
15:07:32 [markd2]
is they come at such an *inconvenient* time of day
15:07:49 [vinod]
markd2: exactly - i thought i was the only one that noticed
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15:09:46 [markd2]
if I get enough sleep, morning's not bad
15:10:05 [markd2]
but I've been helping a friend with db problems on an animal rescue site til midnight for a couple of nights this week
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so my sleep scheduled is *all* messed up
15:10:20 [vinod]
same here, except that 'enough' is undefined for me
15:10:26 [vinod]
markd2: cool!
15:10:43 [vinod]
the animal rescue site, that is
15:10:46 [markd2]
but it's now nice and fast
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http://1-800-save-a-pet.com
15:10:53 [chump]
F: http://1-800-save-a-pet.com from markd2
15:11:02 [markd2]
f:| ACS(3) based animal resuce
15:11:06 [vinod]
is that the old arfdigita?
15:11:06 [markd2]
F:| ACS(3) based animal resuce
15:11:07 [chump]
titled item F
15:11:12 [markd2]
based on arfdigita
15:11:24 [markd2]
it's actually run by one of the original AOLserver guys (and my old boss at AOL)
15:15:03 [vinod]
now, there's a model employee... working for the boss years after he leaves the company :-)
15:16:00 [markd2]
heh
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I like the cause, and Doug's a great guy.
15:16:27 [markd2]
plus it lets me put 'practical dba experience' on my résümê
15:16:53 [markd2]
s/practical dba experience/changing stuff at random until things work/
15:17:11 [vinod]
haha - easy typo to make
15:17:19 [markd2]
happens to me *all* the time
15:19:19 [davb]
hey that is what we do here too!
15:22:12 [jim]
hello
15:22:23 [davb]
hi jim
15:22:47 [vinod]
hi jim
15:23:51 [jim]
my current adventure is installing openacs on a bsd machine following the directions in http://www.orchardlabs.com/freebsd/
15:24:18 [jim]
and I found everything eventually, but some of the links are bad on the site...
15:25:14 [davb]
vinod: are those going in the offical docs?
15:25:25 [vinod]
really? can you keep track of the broken links and send to gilbert or me or rbm
15:25:36 [vinod]
davb: i think so
15:25:44 [jim]
sure... or post them here?
15:26:02 [vinod]
i know i discussed this with gilbert a while ago, but can't remember what we decided
15:26:08 [jim]
I was thinking of doing that...
15:26:39 [jim]
ok, lemme start by posting the bad links here... and go from there
15:27:40 [rbm]
morning
15:28:26 [vinod]
morning rbm
15:34:59 [rbm]
morning vinod
15:37:42 [jim]
sec, trying to get emacs working again (segfaulting every time I start it)
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:-(
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15:46:59 [vinod]
http://cornerhost.blogspot.com/?/2002_03_03_cornerhost_archive.html
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G: http://cornerhost.blogspot.com/?/2002_03_03_cornerhost_archive.html from vinod
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G:| Solve a problem - get $100
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titled item G
15:47:38 [vinod]
G: from davb's web hosting provider
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commented item G
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15:54:09 [davb]
cool. thanks vinod, I didn't even know that :)
15:55:25 [davb]
I hope he fixes that last one, i keep getting messages from uptime that my domains are missing every once in a while...
15:56:00 [davb]
oh yeah, we just went live with the new system...
15:56:50 [vinod]
is this the db conversion that you've been working on?
15:57:34 [jim]
ok, went thru the whole thing, found two bad links
15:57:51 [jim]
( could be resolved by copying files to there)
15:58:15 [jim]
both of them are at http://www.orchardlabs.com/freebsd/aolserver.html
15:59:07 [jim]
first one, you'll see a section heading, "Now let's start the AOLServer installation. We will need to patch the Makefile before the installation."
15:59:46 [jim]
in step 4 of that section, You can use wget to get this file from <BAD-LINK>http://www.orchardlabs.com/freebsd/aolserver-3.4-FreeBSD.patch</BAD-LINK>.
16:00:36 [jim]
then, scrolling down, a section heading reads "Install nscache, nsrewrite, nssha1, nsxml"
16:01:06 [jim]
then, in step 1, Download the <BAD-LINK>FreeBSD Extra AOLServer Modules</BAD-LINK>.
16:01:16 [jim]
that's both of them
16:02:23 [vinod]
ok, lemme email gilbert
16:04:15 [jim]
now I found it strange, that the freebsd install instructions in openacs.org/new-file-storage is a link, that points to the place with these bad links...
16:04:37 [davb]
we probably should move all those files over to openacs.org...?
16:05:16 [jim]
as a matter of fact, I got both of the files I needed from openacs.org by browsing new-file-storage
16:06:28 [jim]
I wonder if getting rid of the link and copying all those instructions over would do it
16:06:47 [vinod]
davb: yeah, the bsd docs should be right alongside the other install docs
16:07:30 [jim]
but Gilbert may have done work on his local copy, and needs to resolve it so everything's up to date?
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16:15:49 [markd2]
vinod is the BSDM
16:15:52 [markd2]
er, the BSD-man
16:18:02 [vinod]
hey now, let's not deprive talli of that title. especially after all the money he spent on whips and chains
16:21:52 [markd2]
that's true
16:21:58 [markd2]
paje: vinod?
16:22:07 [jim]
oops, got another one
16:22:11 [markd2]
* markd2 wishes we could add factoids to paje
16:22:18 [paje]
markd2: no idea
16:22:39 [markd2]
paje: talli is the BSDM
16:22:39 [paje]
OK, markd2.
16:22:43 [markd2]
paje: talli?
16:22:44 [paje]
hmmm... talli is the BSDM
16:22:50 [jim]
markd2 is a factoid wisher!
16:22:51 [markd2]
ok, you gotta give it to paje explicitly
16:22:58 [jim]
markd2?
16:23:03 [markd2]
the infobot in #wplug picks up stuff on its own
16:23:11 [markd2]
which can have hilarious (and sometimes informative) results
16:23:23 [jim]
ok, so you made it less noisy, that's probably good...
16:23:29 [davb]
rbm turned that off...
16:23:33 [vinod]
wait, markd2 is giving it to paje explicitly - sounds like mard2 is the BSDM
16:23:44 [jim]
paje, markd2 is a factoid wisher!
16:23:44 [paje]
OK, jim.
16:23:50 [jim]
markd2?
16:23:58 [jim]
paje markd2?
16:23:58 [paje]
it has been said that markd2 is a factoid wisher!
16:24:18 [jim]
paje, forget markd2
16:24:18 [paje]
jim: I forgot markd2
16:24:23 [markd2]
but if you just do
16:24:32 [davb]
yeah, rbm put paje in address mode so it only replies if directly addressed.
16:27:46 [rbm]
I put paje in addressing mode because talli said he was annoyed by it
16:27:56 [rbm]
I actually liked it when it just picked up stuff on his own
16:28:21 [rbm]
paje: joke?
16:28:21 [paje]
it has been said that joke is "DOS=HIGH" Hmm, I knew it was on something...
16:28:43 [rbm]
I need to teach him a better way to reply to joke requests
16:29:01 [rbm]
paje: tell talli about joke
16:33:21 [jim]
paje: joke?
16:33:22 [paje]
"Only wimps use tape backup: real men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)" - Linus Torvalds
16:33:34 [jim]
paje: joke?
16:33:34 [paje]
"Only wimps use tape backup: real men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)" - Linus Torvalds
16:33:37 [jim]
paje: joke?
16:33:37 [paje]
joke is, like, "DOS=HIGH" Hmm, I knew it was on something...
16:33:53 [jim]
sorry :)
16:34:44 [rbm]
jim: There you go. How do you make him reply like that?
16:35:05 [jim]
paje: joke?
16:35:06 [paje]
rumour has it joke is "DOS=HIGH" Hmm, I knew it was on something...
16:35:14 [jim]
lemme try a few more
16:35:15 [jim]
paje: joke?
16:35:15 [paje]
"Only wimps use tape backup: real men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)" - Linus Torvalds
16:35:17 [jim]
paje: joke?
16:35:17 [paje]
joke is probably Always forgive my enemies. They hate that.
16:35:27 [jim]
Paje, I forgive you
16:35:28 [paje]
jim: excuse me?
16:36:37 [jim]
paje, boo is <reply>oooh! ya skared me!
16:36:37 [paje]
OK, jim.
16:36:44 [jim]
paje, boo
16:36:44 [paje]
oooh! ya skared me!
16:37:35 [jim]
paje, joke
16:37:35 [paje]
joke is "DOS=HIGH" Hmm, I knew it was on something...
16:37:38 [jim]
paje, joke
16:37:39 [paje]
"Only wimps use tape backup: real men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)" - Linus Torvalds
16:37:41 [jim]
paje, joke
16:37:41 [paje]
joke is Always forgive my enemies. They hate that.
16:37:47 [jim]
paje, forgiven
16:37:47 [paje]
ooooh! I hate that!
16:38:14 [jim]
paje, botsnack
16:38:14 [paje]
thanks jim :)
16:38:46 [talli]
* talli is a bot and would also like a botsnack
16:39:35 [markd2]
talli: botsnack
16:40:00 [talli]
* talli greedily eats his botsnack like a hyena on a carcass
16:43:49 [rbm]
* rbm heads to the lab. bbiab
16:44:10 [markd2]
heh
16:47:06 [davb]
it is getting really bad over here. I am actually considering trying to rewrite this system with Office XP/Access 2002...
16:48:43 [davb]
down their student's throats just because it's fashionable. IMHO
16:48:43 [davb]
+Java is a terrible first language. They end up spending most of the time in
16:48:43 [davb]
+their introductory CS classes dealing with the sheer complexity of the
16:48:43 [davb]
+language, hence not having time to learn what's truly important.
16:48:46 [davb]
argh
16:48:53 [davb]
although that is a good quote too...
16:49:02 [davb]
"Emacs religion: control excess, and all shall be saved."
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16:58:56 [talli]
denshi, denshi, doo da, doo da
16:59:12 [denshi]
denshi is now known as denshithebot
16:59:21 [talli]
talli is now known as tallithebot
16:59:31 [davb]
denshit hebot?
16:59:37 [davb]
:)
16:59:43 [tallithebot]
* tallithebot challenges denshithebot to a no holds barred bot duel
17:00:06 [denshithebot]
* denshithebot attacks tallithebot with his plasma cannon
17:00:51 [tallithebot]
* tallithebot raises his shields in time to deflect denshithebot plasma shot and returns with a bolt of high energy energy ray
17:01:11 [tallithebot]
emphasis on the energy
17:01:17 [denshithebot]
* denshithebot equips the modified talli-pants
17:02:36 [jim]
* jim programs all the bots to dance irish line jigs :)
17:03:03 [denshithebot]
* denshithebot dances a high-step jig.
17:03:12 [tallithebot]
* tallithebot is overcome by a powerful urge to hop with hands on hips
17:03:15 [tallithebot]
* tallithebot likes it
17:03:51 [jim]
* jim located a problem in the build for the pgdriver, also another possible problem: the driver might be version 2.0
17:04:31 [jim]
the first problem is the includes for pg werent' where the driver expected them; quick makefile adjustment fixed that
17:05:45 [jim]
* jim programs all the bots to crash an episode of "Who's Line Is It, Anyway?"
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17:09:13 [jim]
(not sure my fix was the preferred one)
17:17:19 [tallithebot]
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17:45:40 [rbm]
is there a utility that will take a string of text and convert to binary?
17:46:34 [davb]
try uuencode...
17:46:51 [davb]
wait, that is backwards :)
17:47:07 [markd2]
what kind of binary?
17:47:17 [markd2]
there's always gzip :-)
17:47:23 [davb]
excellent question. that is what I was going to say.
17:47:31 [rbm]
sorry, like I want to convert "foobar" into "01101100101001"
17:47:54 [davb]
using ASCII codes?
17:48:06 [rbm]
yep
17:49:07 [rbm]
anybody know of one such util off the top oof their heads
17:49:45 [davb]
sorry. I did a search, looks like it is an assignment for alot of classes :)
17:51:43 [rbm]
It's not for me.
17:51:57 [rbm]
I'm just trying to come up with a logo and it'd be cool to have some binary writing on it
17:52:07 [rbm]
It's simple to do, but I'm kind of in a hurry
17:52:09 [davb]
that would be cool. logo for what?
17:52:50 [rbm]
The computer science department :)
17:53:07 [davb]
aha. well I think you are obligated to write it yourself then :)
17:53:14 [rbm]
:)
17:53:23 [rbm]
I found a table. That will do :)
17:53:38 [davb]
cool.
17:53:56 [davb]
crazy job posting: "Candidates need to have about 1 year of experience with .Net ('dot net'). (.Net is still in beta...ie, it has not been released to the general public as yet in GA (General Availability) status.) "
17:54:10 [davb]
how can you have 1 year of experience with an unavailable technology??
17:54:15 [davb]
even MS doesn;t have 1 year.
17:57:57 [rbm]
davb: Stupid people. Lots of marketing.
17:58:20 [rbm]
Whoever posted this job probably doesn't even know what .NET is besides what's on the MS ad in the magazine
18:10:38 [davb]
there is no place cool to work in albany,,, :(
18:25:37 [k2pts]
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18:25:43 [davb]
hello k2pts
18:25:46 [k2pts]
hey davb
18:26:16 [k2pts]
bartt was asking about the comments issue...I wrote about that in another chat but here it goes again:
18:26:40 [k2pts]
The problem with general-comments is caused by bboard_garbage_collect...The problem is that both bboard messages and general_comments are stored with object_type='acs_message' (which is wrong IMHO)...that way whenever bboard_garbage_collect_postgresql runs it deletes all comments since they do not exist in the bboard_forum_message_map table...
18:27:37 [markd2]
ouch
18:27:40 [davb]
I think bartt was researching ways to fix this.
18:28:42 [k2pts]
the right way to fix this is subtype acs_message with bboard_message and general_comment and use these when storing
18:29:27 [k2pts]
the ugly fix is to include an "and" clause in the sql for bboard_garbage_collect to check if acs_message exists in the general_comments table
18:30:20 [k2pts]
s/bboard_garbage_collect/bboard_garbage_collect_postgresql
18:31:32 [k2pts]
davb: did you have the chance to work on the RSS package?
18:32:39 [davb]
k2pts: no. I have been going crazy with this stuff. apparently they hired someone who is not actually a real programmer to build this system :(
18:33:15 [davb]
k2pts: ah, exactly. (re: bboard/acs_message/gc)
18:33:35 [k2pts]
you mean RSS
18:33:50 [davb]
k2pts: right I have not looked at RSS yet.
18:34:00 [k2pts]
ok
18:34:17 [k2pts]
I've got to head out and catch up with stuff. we talk later
18:34:47 [davb]
ok.
18:34:53 [k2pts]
l8r
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18:35:13 [davb]
I can't think this week....
18:42:37 [davb]
I have a cool idea. links to docs from admin pages.
18:43:14 [davb]
RSS-Support has one. I wonder how hard it would be to build it to automatically add a link to the docs to the admin page templates.
18:49:57 [davb]
acs-workflow is cool!
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18:50:11 [davb]
you can add a template form for each action.
18:53:17 [davb]
now I have to figure out how to automagically assign a case to the person who initiates it and go right to the page.
18:56:51 [hazmat]
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18:57:02 [davb]
its really neat. you define the process, then point to the templates for each step.
18:57:58 [haz_work]
acs-worflow rulz ;)
19:00:51 [davb]
every time I reread the OpenACS 4 docs, I understand a little bit more.
19:01:34 [davb]
the first time, usually I learn nothing and go away confused :) then I read a few more times and finally I understand it. I think it is my lack of basic programming background.
19:09:00 [markd2]
* markd2 asks an rpm rtfm since he's too lazy too look it up
19:09:03 [markd2]
what's the syntax to update a package
19:09:18 [markd2]
say I got an rpm that fixes something in the base install, and I want to apply it
19:14:00 [haz_work]
rpm -Uvh foo.rpm
19:14:01 [haz_work]
?
19:14:11 [markd2]
* markd2 goes try
19:14:25 [haz_work]
* haz_work applies retroactive disclaimer
19:14:27 [markd2]
hazmat++
19:14:30 [markd2]
thanks!
19:14:34 [haz_work]
np
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20:06:07 [davb]
* davb wonders if using workflow to create UIs will generate an enormous amount of rows of workflow, start/finish data that is unecesary for most tasks...
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20:50:45 [davb]
rbm is loading tcl packages in OpenACS 4.2?
20:50:55 [rbm]
davb: ACS, not OpenACS
20:51:01 [davb]
ah!
20:51:09 [davb]
* davb promises to read better next time
20:51:13 [rbm]
But I don't see why there would be a problem with OpenACS
20:51:31 [davb]
do you do it as an AOLserver Tcl Module?
20:52:28 [rbm]
No, as a regular Tcl module, just like you'd load in tclsh
20:52:33 [davb]
cool.
21:03:27 [davb]
I need to take apart a multirow datasource in tcl. Any ideas?
21:06:18 [davb]
is a db_multirow and a template::multirow the same format?
21:06:21 [davb]
* davb hopes...
21:17:17 [davb]
* davb gets ready to make onion soup
21:20:10 [davb]
see ya later!
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22:02:01 [jim]
davb: shouldn't that be easy?
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22:02:18 [jim]
oh, oops :) gone :)
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23:19:05 [talli]
hello boys
23:19:12 [talli]
markd2 and denshi
23:24:57 [talli]
anyone here?
23:25:01 [markd2]
hiya
23:25:08 [talli]
hello markd2
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23:36:37 [markd2]
* markd2 wonders if talilee is a bot too
23:37:02 [talli]
talilee is an evil bastard
23:37:06 [talli]
don't screw with him
23:37:40 [markd2]
* markd2 notes not to screw with talilee
23:37:53 [talli]
is markd2 a bot?
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23:38:09 [markd2]
nope, just meatware
23:38:19 [talli]
haha
23:38:48 [talli]
i have an update on my efforts to chase down a woman i met on a subway. is anyone lame enough to listen to my narcissism?
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23:39:10 [hazmat]
* hazmat thinks of better things to do
23:39:26 [talli]
is that a yes?
23:39:48 [hazmat]
* hazmat like email the logs to talli's business assoc. Muhahahaha... :-)
23:40:16 [talli]
i have biznarse associates?
23:40:34 [hazmat]
so did you get her name?
23:40:50 [talli]
i got her name from the website of the theater that her play is at
23:40:52 [talli]
but today...
23:40:52 [markd2]
sure!
23:41:02 [talli]
a friend of mine was speaking with a coworker
23:41:07 [markd2]
his business associates probably wouldn't mind
23:41:16 [talli]
her coworker was complaining that she had to go to her best friend's play tonight
23:41:33 [talli]
my friend asker her the name of the play and her coworker said, "seascape with sharks and dancers"
23:41:42 [talli]
my friend asked her, "is your friend noelle?"
23:41:51 [talli]
her coworker replied, "yeah, do you know her?"
23:42:03 [talli]
so... long story short, i'm going to the play tonight with the girl's best friend
23:43:21 [hazmat]
congrats... hopefully you'll get an intro.
23:43:29 [talli]
i am. after the show
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23:44:03 [markd2]
be sure to wear your crotchless gorilla suit, Talli
23:45:05 [denshi]
considering the numbers of pants we've stolen, that's all Talli has left to wear.
23:45:08 [talli]
do you think i should go with the gorilla suit or the paltform heels and bondage straps?
23:45:09 [vinod]
word on the street is that talli might have a social life
23:45:21 [markd2]
Definintely the gorilla suit
23:45:24 [markd2]
it makes a good first impression
23:45:45 [talli]
why have my pants become the center of attention? vinod's the one with the pants problem
23:46:06 [vinod]
the first step is admitting you have a problem
23:47:03 [markd2]
* markd2 takes the first step
23:47:08 [markd2]
I admit Talli has a problem with pants
23:47:19 [vinod]
good for you markd2
23:47:24 [markd2]
* markd2 smiles
23:47:49 [vinod]
so talli, are you going for the actress or for the best friend?
23:47:52 [vinod]
or both?
23:48:21 [talli]
* talli resents that an entire channel on the internet believes he has a pants problem
23:48:23 [rbm]
first step?
23:48:23 [paje]
i think first step is admitting you have a problem
23:48:34 [talli]
the best friend has a boyfriend
23:48:42 [talli]
i am shooting for the actress.
23:49:11 [vinod]
talli - don't worry bout the pants thing
23:49:17 [vinod]
we think that's the least of your problems
23:49:22 [markd2]
that's where the gorilla suit comes in handy
23:49:36 [markd2]
you don't have to worry about pants - just use the set that's already there
23:49:40 [talli]
* talli goes to get a banana - a crotchless banana
23:50:08 [denshi]
rrrouah!
23:50:38 [talli]
* talli wonders if denshi has been around a few too many gamma rays lately...
23:50:54 [talli]
denshi, did you just transform or something? what's up with the scream?
23:51:06 [vinod]
lol
23:51:10 [denshi]
my, uh, keyboard coughed.
23:55:02 [talli]
* talli can't wait for jose farkas to grow up and lead us to the promised land
23:57:36 [rbm]
Everybody upgraded their openssh daemons yet?
23:58:06 [talli]
i upbraided my openssh demon today
23:58:15 [talli]
he was getting saucy
23:59:21 [markd2]
heh
23:59:23 [markd2]
I be up to date