IRC log of openacs on 2002-03-04

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00:05:28 [rbm]
in the arsdigita release
00:06:43 [denshi]
given that aD has gone to join the great SEC filing in the sky, don't you think this should change?
00:09:08 [rbm]
The ArsDigita AOLserver is available from openacs.org
00:09:21 [rbm]
We're thinking of distributing our own aolserver
00:10:09 [denshi]
offshoot of opennsd, or has that been permanently buried?
00:11:22 [rbm]
pretty much buried. that issues that led to its creation were solved with the AOL guys.
00:14:10 [denshi]
3.3-ad13?
00:14:54 [denshi]
is anyone using 3.4?
00:16:01 [rbm]
I'm sure somebody is :)
00:16:13 [denshi]
heh
00:16:42 [talilee]
talilee (~talli@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs
00:16:49 [rbm]
hey talli
00:16:59 [talilee]
hey rbm
00:17:00 [rbm]
see my reply to your response? I'm on the ball again!
00:17:07 [denshi]
were you talking about grad school @ stanford?
00:17:09 [talilee]
yeah, i did. cool, thanks alot
00:17:27 [talilee]
stanford sucks!!!
00:17:29 [talilee]
talilee is now known as talli
00:17:36 [rbm]
* rbm just finished a new install of OpenACS 4.5 pre-beta and is taking notes of minor things to fix
00:18:00 [rbm]
denshi: I was talking about grad school in general, and mentioned Stanford as example.
00:19:42 [denshi]
ah. I have some friends there, and they\ir housing is pretty well covered by the school. So no wrries, ya?
00:19:47 [talli]
denshi, how;s your ankle?
00:20:05 [rbm]
So what's the diff between photo-albumn and photo-albumn-lite? I presume the lite package doesn't have all the copyright stuff that photo.net has?
00:20:18 [rbm]
denshi: Really?
00:20:34 [rbm]
How come the school pays for their housing?
00:21:33 [denshi]
talli: better, thx.
00:24:02 [davb]
photo album lite does not use the CR
00:24:11 [davb]
use photo album. the UI is very nice.
00:25:19 [rbm]
davb: Ah, I'm installing both, just in case.
00:25:31 [rbm]
Hmmm. adserver install failed.
00:26:09 [talli]
davb, did you see the task list for the new website?
00:27:25 [davb]
yeah. I can do the OpenFTS install if you need.
00:28:04 [talli]
oh yeah, now that neophytos is gone...
00:28:09 [talli]
ok, that's one job
00:28:20 [talli]
anyone interested in implementing the other pieces?
00:29:24 [talli]
the silence is telling :(
00:30:18 [rbm]
talli: I might be, let me just finish this and I'll get back to you.
00:30:28 [talli]
ok
00:33:31 [rbm]
hmm, photo-album is failing for me.
00:33:56 [davb]
install?
00:34:24 [rbm]
it installed okay, but when I go to /photo/ (where I mounted it) it gives me an error of an undefined proc
00:35:06 [rbm]
looks like I just needed to restart the server (I had restarted it before, but not after mounting it)
00:35:09 [davb]
the first time I installed the data model did not load, so I uninstalled and installed it again and it worked.
00:35:24 [davb]
yes, I think you do need to restart after mounting it also.
00:38:03 [rbm]
I love this picture: http://brasileiro.net:8000/photo/base-photo?photo_id=4607
00:48:24 [talli]
is rafa around?
00:48:44 [talli]
in his bibliography i found a couple of good articles
00:48:48 [rafa]
hi talli
00:48:53 [talli]
hey rafa!
00:49:09 [talli]
i've read through your article, and i'll respond to it in the thread
00:49:09 [rafa]
I am on and off, and will be off for the rest of the day in 10min
00:49:26 [rafa]
excellent, thanks
00:49:30 [talli]
mostly i'll respond to the conclusion, about apache vs. aolserver.
00:49:37 [rafa]
:-)
00:49:49 [talli]
but i also took a look at the "enterprise framework" articles you reference
00:49:52 [talli]
those are good article
00:50:10 [talli]
as far as your article, you really should mention aolserver.
00:50:11 [talli]
brb
00:50:27 [rafa]
I will improve that
00:55:18 [rafa]
have to go, see you
00:55:47 [rafa]
BTW any news about the release3?
00:58:04 [rbm]
you mean OpenACS
00:58:08 [rbm]
s/$/?/
01:01:16 [rafa]
s/release3/OACS4.2b/
01:06:09 [denshi]
denshi has quit ("denshi has no reason")
01:15:22 [rbm]
OACS 4.5beta will be released probably within the next few hours
01:45:18 [til]
til (~tils@port-212-202-128-195.reverse.qsc.de) has joined #openacs
01:45:56 [rafa]
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01:53:20 [lilo]
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02:28:55 [davb]
jim: are you around?
02:33:42 [davb]
this means there is a row "description" that already exists? psql:wp-slim-create.sql:221: ERROR: CREATE TABLE:
02:33:42 [davb]
attribute "description" duplicated
02:34:04 [davb]
I can't find a column description in wp-slim anywhere.
02:36:52 [rbm]
* rbm just fixed a bug in ref-us-zip
02:38:46 [rbm]
the apm doesn't deal well with failures.
02:39:26 [davb]
nope.
02:40:14 [rbm]
so what are you working on lately davb?
02:40:44 [rbm]
* rbm needs a break from school
02:40:59 [talli]
have you guys ever used SmoothWall? i know it was mentioned on the boards.
02:41:15 [rbm]
The fact that I have 2 not-so-good professors this semester might have something to do with it.
02:41:19 [davb]
lets see, working on the new and improved etp 2. also jim and I were trying to solve the problem that a package instance with data cannot be deleted if on delete cascade was not used properly in the data model
02:41:25 [davb]
that sounds unfun.
02:41:36 [davb]
talli: never tried it, but smoothwall is supposed to be really good.
02:41:40 [rbm]
Woot, my wife just received her diploma. She graduated Cum Laude, and I didn't know. She rocks!
02:41:47 [davb]
great!
02:41:51 [talli]
cognrats!
02:41:56 [talli]
http://www.cse.unl.edu/%7Efayad/workshops/oopsla2000/ws/index.htm
02:41:56 [chump]
A: http://www.cse.unl.edu/%7Efayad/workshops/oopsla2000/ws/index.htm from talli
02:42:07 [rbm]
* rbm flinches at the mention of oopsla
02:42:14 [rbm]
davb, talli: thanks
02:42:16 [davb]
also I think I am picking up the new category package from neophytos.
02:42:27 [talli]
A: OOPSLA 2000; Second Workshop on Enterprise Frameworks.
02:42:27 [chump]
commented item A
02:42:28 [rbm]
* rbm sighs
02:42:41 [rbm]
davb: great!
02:43:49 [davb]
And I looked at general comments and almost puked, so I feel like rewriting that to :)
02:44:12 [talli]
is general comments that bad?
02:44:25 [davb]
not really. It can be fixed.
02:44:43 [talli]
davb, how does etp2 look?
02:44:46 [davb]
Problem is almost all the packages that use CR do it wrong.
02:44:52 [davb]
don't know I haven't looked yet.
02:44:57 [davb]
I was building shelves.
02:44:57 [talli]
ah, ok
02:45:00 [talli]
:)
02:45:08 [davb]
so I can see some of my desk.
02:45:12 [talli]
can't you get your 3 year odl to that? i mean, he's already installing windows
02:45:19 [davb]
too heavy.
02:48:25 [talli]
paje: shagster?
02:48:25 [paje]
i haven't a clue, talli
02:48:32 [talli]
paje: seen shagster?
02:48:32 [paje]
shagster was last seen on #openacs 7 days, 22 hours, 12 minutes and 12 seconds ago, saying: Hmmm...debian getting a new developer? :) [Sat Feb 23 21:38:19 2002]
02:54:28 [til]
davb: there was a posting some time ago with an extensive complaint list against general comments, have you seen that?
02:54:46 [davb]
probably.
02:55:15 [davb]
It would only take a few hours to duplicate the current functionality correctly using the CR. and make it easy to extend with rating etc...
02:56:04 [til]
is there something like a "how-to use the cr correctly" document already?
02:56:24 [davb]
I think so. the CR documentation isn't too bad.
02:58:03 [til]
http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0003Uc&topic_id=12&topic=OpenACS%204%2e0%20Design
02:58:03 [chump]
B: http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0003Uc&topic_id=12&topic=OpenACS%204%2e0%20Design from til
02:58:36 [til]
it's mostly about the ui. i agree with all of the points
02:58:45 [shagster]
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02:58:58 [til]
B: posting on general-comments
02:58:58 [chump]
commented item B
02:59:24 [davb]
I think a little form at the bottom for doing all that is much better. like at IBM developerworks.
03:02:10 [talli]
do you guys know about xandros?
03:02:11 [talli]
http://www.xandros.net/
03:02:11 [chump]
C: http://www.xandros.net/ from talli
03:02:23 [til]
i see. that's a matter of taste propably ... i would find it a bit obtrusive to have a textarea on the bottom of each of my content pages
03:02:34 [talli]
C: Xandros Linux - used to be Corel Linux. Derived from Debian
03:02:34 [chump]
commented item C
03:02:46 [til]
but the instant rating facility is cool
03:03:14 [til]
* til rates a developerworks article without having it read
03:03:59 [davb]
right, just an option.
03:04:24 [til]
yeah, options are good
03:08:35 [davb]
talli: that looks cool. it is a desktop specific distribution. the server one is seperate.
03:10:06 [talli]
yeah, it does look pretty cool
03:10:31 [talli]
it would be nice to have a debian distro that is more user friendly.
03:10:49 [talli]
but having a comercial distro of debian isn't as cool as debian itself, really
03:11:21 [davb]
that is what happened to progeny :)
03:11:25 [talli]
so far, debian has just been a bear to install. i still haven't managed to get gnome or kde downloaded and set up
03:11:30 [talli]
yeah, good point
03:11:48 [talli]
but i think xandros is backed by some serious money
03:11:59 [talli]
and they're starting with corel's commercial distro, so they have a bit of a headstart
03:12:49 [davb]
http://ts.mivu.org/default.asp?show=article&id=979
03:12:49 [chump]
D: http://ts.mivu.org/default.asp?show=article&id=979 from davb
03:13:12 [davb]
D:|Interview with Phil Long including some info about MIT OpenCourseware
03:13:12 [chump]
titled item D
03:13:54 [talli]
ah, cool
03:14:47 [davb]
I wish some stuff would appear. I could use the OCW materials along with my mentor from empire state college and build a super degree program.
03:15:21 [denshi]
denshi (toddg@linux128.ma.utexas.edu) has joined #openacs
03:16:00 [davb]
" Our primary goals for the OCW site are to have 100 courses up by September of 2002, 250 released by March of 2003, and 500 by September of 2003."
03:16:16 [davb]
I might see some benefits...
03:19:20 [talli]
yo denshi
03:19:33 [talli]
davb, is that the secret project?
03:19:42 [denshi]
yo talli
03:25:28 [davb]
talli: my degree? no.
03:37:58 [davb]
D: [OpenCourseWare Article at Syllabus Magazine|http://www.syllabus.com/syllabusmagazine/article.asp?id=5913]
03:37:59 [chump]
commented item D
03:43:56 [davb]
hmmm
03:44:03 [davb]
ETP 2 is killing aolserver.
03:45:21 [talli]
gasp! etp2 is a murderer!!!!
03:45:45 [talli]
denshi, i hear that you're unable to keep down solid food. that true?
03:47:17 [rbm]
crap crap crap crap
03:47:40 [talli]
why all the crapping?
03:48:48 [rbm]
ref-us-zipcodes crapped out on me, and now it keeps crapping more.
03:49:16 [rbm]
It takes a long time to load all this data into my wimpy K6-2 300
03:49:32 [talli]
whoa
03:49:39 [denshi]
speaking of loading....
03:49:45 [talli]
i have a k6-2 300 as a firewall in the office
03:50:08 [denshi]
I loaded the latest oacs4 today
03:50:09 [talli]
it's running openbsd and it's nutty (i think it might be the problem with why blogspace is sometimes blockec)
03:50:23 [denshi]
I couldn't help marvel over the ease of installation.
03:50:41 [davb]
* davb checks denshi's sarcasm meter
03:51:10 [denshi]
kind of darkly humorous what this community could do that aD couldn't.
03:51:25 [davb]
ah, so it was easy.
03:51:54 [rbm]
talli: I have a video with Ian Jackson (Debian Founder, CTO (or CEO?) of Progeny) where he explains what Progeny did wrong wrt to their distribution.
03:52:12 [talli]
oh yeah? that would be interesting to see...
03:52:16 [talli]
what did he say?
03:52:27 [denshi]
no, seriously, davb. Yes, tracking down all the nsd modules was a lesson in pain, and yes, it was less transparent than the 3.2.xes, but considerin the complexity increase it's hella easy.
03:52:53 [rbm]
talli: I haven't watched it yet. It's been sitting in my desk for a while. It's a recording of the Salt Lake Linux Users Group meeting that he spoke at
03:53:11 [talli]
any preview? what did you hear about it?
03:53:29 [rbm]
about the tape?
03:53:36 [talli]
yeah
03:53:41 [talli]
about the talk
03:53:51 [davb]
denshi: cool. I have installed it so many times I can't really tell anymore :)
03:54:05 [rbm]
I don't know the details. The only thing I know is that he said that Red Hat isn't bad :-)
03:54:12 [talli]
:)
03:54:34 [talli]
i bet redhat is awesome if you sign up for the redhat network
03:54:44 [rbm]
We made an .avi of Bruce Peren's talk at our last forum, but the .avi turned out to be 1 Gb large.
03:54:50 [talli]
or if you use the redhat network during "offpeak hours"
03:54:52 [rbm]
s/Peren's/Perens'/\
03:54:56 [talli]
oh, cool
03:55:06 [talli]
you get the big boys to come to salt lake, huh?
03:55:08 [rbm]
talli: BTW, Installing KDE or Gnome under Debian is really easy.
03:55:22 [davb]
just stay away from Ximian!
03:55:22 [talli]
how do you do it?
03:55:29 [talli]
ximian is a nightmare
03:56:03 [davb]
it screwed up alot of my system. but I have expunged it from my hard drive. although nautilis is a nifty photo browser.
03:56:04 [talli]
rbm: i tried to search through the debian site for the .deb package to apt-get for both KDE and Gnome, but had issues
03:56:30 [talli]
with apt-get install -u KDE, it tells me there are all sorts of dependencies unmet
03:56:33 [denshi]
"ximian: you can't uninstall evil"
03:56:40 [rbm]
talli: You could, for one way, try to install al application that depended on gnome, and it'd install all the packages it needed.
03:56:46 [davb]
heh.
03:56:47 [talli]
ah
03:56:51 [davb]
isn;t there a task for them?
03:56:59 [rbm]
s/al/an/
03:57:01 [talli]
well, i was able to install apt-get install gnome-core
03:57:15 [rbm]
talli: What's the "-u" for? I never used it.
03:57:47 [talli]
-u is for upgrade, i believe. or to show all the packages that will be upgraded/updated
03:57:49 [rbm]
There's also auto-apt
03:58:03 [talli]
what's that?
03:58:47 [rbm]
It's a version of apt (IIRC) that downloads everything a package requires recursively.
03:58:48 [denshi]
a bad idea, is what it is.
03:58:59 [rbm]
I never used it.
03:59:12 [talli]
ah, denshi comes with an opinion... do tell denshi!!!
03:59:36 [talli]
denshi, do you run linux on your workstation?
03:59:46 [rbm]
* rbm re-installs oacs 4.5 pre-beta
03:59:47 [denshi]
while we're talking debian, can I complain about the cycles in the dependency graph?
03:59:58 [rbm]
denshi: what graph?
04:00:01 [davb]
ow, my brain!
04:00:03 [denshi]
talli: debian since '99.
04:00:25 [talli]
do you carry proof in your wallet? do you have a tattoo that says that?
04:00:27 [denshi]
for instance: today I installed g++. Or tried to.
04:00:49 [denshi]
g++ depends on g++-2.95 .... which depends on g++.
04:01:05 [talli]
ugh
04:01:10 [davb]
oops
04:01:10 [talli]
that's not good
04:01:12 [denshi]
I thought it was just a version problem, you know, one is a number behind? No.
04:01:30 [denshi]
Over 2.5 years, I have seen this problem WAY too often.
04:02:12 [denshi]
Debian is still the nicest distro, which I suppose says a lot more about how bad the software industry is..
04:02:39 [denshi]
but still, the idea of setting apt to run hither and thither as it will terrifies me.
04:02:44 [talli]
or how little revenue is generated from having a distro
04:03:11 [denshi]
I just know it would get stuck in one of those tangles of dependencies and never come out.
04:03:26 [talli]
i think that's the prob i have with kde right now
04:03:46 [talli]
i finally installed windowmaker in order to have a desktop (and window maker ain't half bad)
04:03:51 [denshi]
I managed to do that twice.. some core packages were uninstalled to allow something else, then the 'el
04:04:04 [denshi]
damn qwerty boards.
04:04:16 [talli]
yeah, some of the core packages are broken in fact
04:04:28 [talli]
at least when i tried to install from sid
04:04:28 [denshi]
as I was saying, the 'else' then wouldn't install b/c a core package was missing.
04:04:33 [davb]
talli: also icewm is cool.
04:04:46 [talli]
icewm? i'll have to try that...
04:04:57 [davb]
it has a start button.
04:05:01 [talli]
i'm kinda into the idea of a stripped down desktop without a whole lot of bloat
04:05:08 [davb]
very nice, easy to fool around with.
04:05:09 [talli]
all i need is a nice way to launch apps, really
04:05:12 [davb]
its pretyy small.
04:05:18 [talli]
i'll check it out, thanks
04:06:56 [denshi]
how about multi-package transactional apt installs?
04:07:00 [denshi]
rbm?
04:07:21 [talli]
denshi, you ever have any more thoughts about your new programming languages?
04:08:23 [denshi]
I've devoted a time slice to reading through some materials on the implementation of lisp interpreters.
04:08:30 [rbm]
denshi: I've never experienced problems with Debian's packaging system that I couldn't solve with at most one extra command. And I have had g++ installed for about 3 years.
04:09:08 [denshi]
and I think, possibly, my abstraction could be simpler than I think.
04:09:32 [denshi]
I am also looking for a new apartment. That should be notably harder.
04:11:28 [rbm]
* rbm adds a header to his .muttrc to output a message on outlook clients
04:12:20 [rbm]
http://www.jaredsmith.net/jared/outlook.jpg
04:12:20 [chump]
E: http://www.jaredsmith.net/jared/outlook.jpg from rbm
04:13:37 [davb]
heh
04:13:38 [rbm]
anybody has outlook here?
04:13:44 [rbm]
I want to test this
04:13:47 [talli]
nope.
04:13:53 [davb]
we are switching to outlook at work but not until the end of the month,
04:14:46 [rbm]
because of the calendaring stuff?
04:14:47 [davb]
problen is, almost 100% of Outlook users can't choose their mail client.
04:14:54 [denshi]
bbiam
04:14:56 [denshi]
denshi has quit ("denshi has no reason")
04:15:00 [davb]
no, we have groupwise. because we can, I guess :(
04:15:11 [rbm]
so what's the reason for outlook?
04:15:18 [talli]
davb, you run windows at work?
04:15:38 [davb]
no clue. we are switching from novell to windows 200 for the server. we could keep groupwise, but I don't make the decisions.
04:15:42 [davb]
talli: yep.
04:15:56 [davb]
I still plan on sneaking in a linux box one of these days and setting up dotlrn
04:16:41 [davb]
no clue is actually the reason. the powers that be have none.
04:16:44 [davb]
:)
04:17:33 [talli]
did they read about outlook in some magazine and decide that's what they had to have?
04:17:45 [davb]
http://slashdot.org/articles/02/03/04/0047215.shtml?tid=172
04:17:45 [chump]
F: http://slashdot.org/articles/02/03/04/0047215.shtml?tid=172 from davb
04:17:53 [davb]
F:|Captain Crunch's firewall!
04:17:54 [chump]
titled item F
04:17:59 [davb]
talli: undoubtedly
04:18:09 [talli]
ugh
04:18:16 [davb]
Basically, think dilbert without the pointy hair.
04:18:39 [davb]
also, have you seen the CDW commercials? Our IT guy is Fred.
04:18:50 [talli]
not familiar withthem
04:19:07 [davb]
oh well. :) trust me its funny.
04:19:22 [talli]
:)
04:19:47 [rbm]
"OpenACS Community System"? DOesn't this sound like "Based on NT Technology"?
04:19:59 [talli]
haha
04:20:04 [talli]
yes. why not/
04:20:43 [rbm]
Should I remove the mentions of OpenNSD off the installer?
04:21:22 [talli]
i think so. it's kind of a dead project. it's intent was to get AOL to pay some attention, and they've responded
04:21:23 [davb]
rbm: yeah. opennsd is not a product you can download.
04:21:48 [rbm]
* rbm does so. Also fixes some wrong links on the installer while he's at it
04:21:56 [davb]
cool.
04:22:12 [rbm]
Hmm, we need to make the Oracle driver available from our website too, don't we?
04:22:22 [davb]
yes, I think so.
04:22:23 [talli]
it might help
04:22:35 [rbm]
I wonder for how long the aD site will be up. Don't think our installer should be telling people to download the driver off ad.com
04:22:56 [talli]
no, i don't think so either
04:23:14 [rbm]
I'll change the link to point to the "software.adp" page. How does that sound?
04:23:21 [rbm]
(on openacs.org)
04:23:38 [davb]
cool.
04:23:39 [talli]
makes sense
04:23:44 [denshi]
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04:23:56 [denshi]
sweet holy jesus that was a long compile.
04:23:56 [talli]
go away denshi!
04:24:02 [denshi]
* denshi hides
04:25:10 [rbm]
We should also have AOLserver 3.3ad13 on oacs.org, but we onl have 3.2ad12
04:25:47 [denshi]
i just dled 3.3ad13 today, and that version is broken.
04:25:57 [denshi]
we might need to find a new copy.
04:26:15 [denshi]
i mean, the tarball on ad.com is incomplete.
04:29:01 [davb]
I think I must go. good night!
04:29:08 [denshi]
avoid
04:29:15 [denshi]
avoir, I mean.
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later
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06:07:48 [til]
rbm: are you still there? what header is this that does that neat outlook trick?
06:31:35 [chrismj]
newbie Q: I added myself as admin to fresh oacs4.2b install (from cvs) and some other users, but they can't comment on a note I wrote in /notes. how do they do that?
06:31:50 [chrismj]
do I need to make a sub-directory and load general-comments somewhere? what else?
06:33:15 [til]
* til loads notes
06:34:32 [til]
have you mounted general-comments=
06:34:37 [til]
?
06:34:54 [chrismj]
no--where to do that? just any random directory?
06:35:12 [chrismj]
then is it automagically linked from notes? or do I have to edit the .adp page for notes or something?
06:35:15 [til]
yeah, for example /general-comments/ would make sense i think
06:35:26 [chrismj]
thx. will do.
06:36:03 [til]
i don't know ... i am not sure if notes has commenting built in ...
06:36:17 [chrismj]
also, under /admin/groups/ I find that there are no groups defined--but how can that be, with my users having permissions under "Registered Users" group? where is that group in groups?
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06:37:39 [chrismj]
well, back to notes, I don't mean to bang on it so much--I'm just trying to understand the system. I can't get any other user to add/edit a note, even though the notes app has perms set to allow that for "registered users" through inherited permissions
06:38:29 [chrismj]
notes has permissions: Registered Users, general_comments_create --how do I interpret this?
06:39:23 [til]
under /admin/groups only groups that are specific to that particular subsite are listed, in most cases Main Site (mounted at /). something like that. i dont understand it actually
06:39:55 [chrismj]
is there a place that a bunch of the modules are documented? I just want to load many of them up and see how they work (together)
06:40:31 [til]
oh, i see ... the privilege general_comments_create has no effect on the notes package, it is only useful for general-comments. you have to give "write" permission to the users that you want to allow to edit notes
06:40:42 [chrismj]
e.g. how would I allow a user to add a page and then allow other users to edit that page (a la wiki)? I notice edit-this-page has that, but I'm not sure the process.
06:41:18 [chrismj]
ok,... not sure how to do that, though (give these users, who are in the group "Registered Users" which I can't find anywhere) to have that privelege
06:41:37 [til]
in site-map -> permissions
06:41:41 [chrismj]
do I need to stick the users in a new group?
06:41:51 [til]
no, registered users should work
06:42:25 [chrismj]
ah... ok, checking on that....
06:42:53 [til]
the docs are under /doc/ - i am not aware of any other place ... also i'm afraid you have to install the package first to read them. or you manually point your browser at the package-name/www/doc directories
06:43:26 [chrismj]
ok, will try that. thanks!
06:43:27 [til]
the simplest wiki-like approach is the page package
06:43:45 [til]
* til catches up ;)
06:44:45 [chrismj]
what are all these other perms, such as acs_reference_create? how do I determine which are valid/used for notes? look at its source?
06:44:45 [til]
also notes bombs if you don't enter a title ... this is just silly, even more for a package that is supposed to demonstrate the system
06:45:30 [chrismj]
toobad. as soon as I can get up to speed with the system and the community (i.e. cvs, common practices) I can contribute fixes to stuff.
06:45:53 [til]
good q ... maybe looking in the doc suffices. there were some discussions on the bboards about how stupid it is that all privileges get stuffed in the same dropdown box and what could be done to make it better
06:46:00 [chrismj]
I want this to work for my own site, and I have a lot of things I want to do for my site that would naturally go back into oacs.
06:46:39 [chrismj]
or a simple solution for many problems is to have more explanatory text accompanying the permissions page (and most other pages)
06:47:03 [til]
but there is some kind of priv hierarchy: read, write, admin and delete are the four top-level privs, all others are derived
06:47:50 [til]
have you read the "For Developers" section of /doc/?
06:47:57 [til]
there is some stuff on privs
06:48:08 [chrismj]
some... yeah, will be re-reading much of that in the coming weeks.
06:48:34 [chrismj]
can't find notes doc, it's not listed in the list of "installed packages" in /doc/
06:48:36 [chrismj]
that's funny
06:48:44 [til]
also make sure to click on the heading "For Developers" in /doc/, there is a bigger index beneath it
06:49:09 [til]
no that's sad ;)
06:49:32 [til]
well, if a package does not have a www/doc/ directory then it won't be listed there
06:49:45 [chrismj]
will check on that
06:51:31 [chrismj]
nope, no www/doc in notes package. toobad.
06:51:40 [chrismj]
now I know more about the system, though! thanks!
06:52:29 [til]
you're welcome
06:53:31 [til]
do you have a fresh cvs checkout of oacs and specifically notes installed?
06:53:43 [chrismj]
yeah, as of earlier this week (...
06:54:19 [til]
could you confirm that there is still an error when adding a note without title? in that case i'll enter a bug report
06:54:31 [chrismj]
2/27=last wed.)
06:54:36 [til]
that annoyed me so much when i first tried oacs
06:54:55 [chrismj]
sure... I guess it might crash notes. is there a way you recovered? just reload or delete the note?
06:55:44 [til]
no need to recover - the note just won't be entered in the database. click back, enter a title, and voila it works
06:56:29 [chrismj]
that's funny. now I can't add a note. just edit the only one I have there. I'm just going to url /notes/ as admin
06:56:46 [til]
?? permission denied or server error?
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06:57:12 [chrismj]
I go to /notes/, observe that there is one note called test1, and there is no button or anything to add another note.
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06:58:17 [til]
are you sure you are site-wide admin?
06:58:34 [chrismj]
yeah...
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06:59:02 [chrismj]
how would I check that? I'm the only admin user that I originally registered.
06:59:11 [chrismj]
and I can access everything
06:59:25 [til]
if you can go to /admin/ then you are most likely admin
06:59:42 [til]
why notes doesn't let you add anymore is beyond my imagination
06:59:53 [chrismj]
oh well.
07:00:20 [chrismj]
when I edit the one note I have and remove the title, I get evil error code spewing out.
07:00:38 [til]
yep, that's the confirmation i sought. thanks
07:00:50 [jim]
you'd have to figure out why that error happens
07:01:05 [chrismj]
cool. now looking in notes code for my problem. will look for that one too.
07:01:11 [chrismj]
can't spend too much time on it, though for now.
07:01:47 [til]
it's because title is not null in the data model and it's not in ad_page_contract
07:02:21 [chrismj]
what's ad_page_contract? a mechanism for checking on form data?
07:03:15 [chrismj]
please do submit that bug to the relevant location with your info, so the knowledge is not lost. that's why I'm implementing my site in the first place: so much of my knowledge and collaboration with others is not lost.
07:03:20 [hazmat]
and documentation and setting default vars
07:03:31 [chrismj]
cool.
07:04:45 [til]
bug submitted
07:05:27 [chrismj]
wow! cool. you could tell me where to record stuff as I go along or search for bugs... would it be in the oacs site, or bboards?
07:05:40 [til]
openacs.org/sdm
07:06:01 [jim]
chrismj: and documenting the page and the variables that get exported to the corresponding html template
07:06:29 [chrismj]
set create_p [ad_permission_p $package_id create]
07:06:40 [jim]
"what am I for", "what do I get", "what data sources do I make available to my template"
07:07:03 [chrismj]
this is the relevant line from index.tcl, it doesn't allow a new note to be created when one exists. what does it mean?
07:08:13 [jim]
chrismj: somehow the user doesn't have create permission on $package_id
07:08:25 [til]
forget what i said above, there are five initial privileges, i missed "create"
07:08:38 [jim]
(that is, if create_p is 'f')
07:08:48 [jim]
is this a notes porting effort?
07:09:17 [chrismj]
well, I have oacs4.2b-cvs as of 2/27 and wanted to understand notes, maybe not a good place to start.
07:09:38 [jim]
no, actually that's a pretty good place to start
07:09:42 [chrismj]
I'm admin, and there is no ability to create more than one note. I still don't understand how your explanation would apply if I'm using admin
07:10:15 [jim]
could you have the page display some more of the variables?
07:10:51 [jim]
does your ad_page_contract have a -properties section?
07:11:12 [chrismj]
not sure... just wading into this mess, still finding up from gravity.
07:11:26 [til]
admin should include create priv in my opinion
07:11:45 [chrismj]
I'm sure it does... well, I could make the first note.
07:11:52 [jim]
as admin?
07:12:20 [jim]
some communicating between pages is probably in need of adjustment
07:13:00 [chrismj]
just granted myself create priv just to make sure in perms for notes, but that didn't change anything
07:13:38 [jim]
(note that nvl in oracle becomes coalesce in postgres+openacs)
07:14:09 [til]
when changing the permissions are you accessing the permission page via the site-map? i am asking because if you click on the "admin" link in /notes/ then it is for one specific note, not the whole package
07:15:03 [jim]
(which makes less than good sense, but this is just an example package meant to introduce you to the kernel)
07:15:15 [chrismj]
ok, for notes/www/index.tcl, the ad_page_contract has a properties section with create_p:onevalue. what does that imply?
07:16:04 [jim]
that create_p will be made available to notes/www/index.adp, as a string
07:16:21 [chrismj]
got it.
07:16:36 [jim]
I was just gonna ask you to put that in there :)
07:16:52 [til]
jim: as far as i know this serves only documentation purposes currently, it has no effect wether you leave it out or not
07:16:55 [chrismj]
<if @create_p@ eq 1>
07:16:58 [chrismj]
<if @create_p@ eq 1>
07:16:59 [chrismj]
then in index.adp, we have ]\
07:17:01 [chrismj]
oops.
07:17:44 [chrismj]
that line determines if one can create a new note. so it's not being set correctly if there already is one note.
07:17:55 [jim]
somewhere in your index.adp, could you put "<p>the value of create_p is '@create_p@'</p>"
07:18:44 [jim]
eq 1?
07:18:47 [jim]
hmmm
07:18:56 [jim]
do put that in
07:19:10 [jim]
let's see what it turns out to be
07:19:11 [chrismj]
it shows '1' for that value, even though I can't add a note.
07:19:25 [chrismj]
that's weird.
07:19:30 [jim]
ok, so a different thing is wrong...
07:19:43 [jim]
you do in fact have the required create permission
07:20:14 [jim]
you see a button or link offering to create another note?
07:20:17 [til]
maybe you cannot see the picture of the add button for some reason
07:20:58 [jim]
err,
07:21:10 [chrismj]
no. but I did when there were no notes. now I don't see the create button. it's not obvious to me now what puts that in in the .adp page... I thought it would be near that test we just discussed.
07:21:17 [jim]
you do in fact have the required create permission, -and- index.tcl is aware of that
07:21:25 [til]
<img border=0 src=add> ... points to add.gif
07:21:33 [chrismj]
that could very well be it. I think that my browser is f*ing up and can't load an image. wow. that would suck.
07:21:41 [til]
woah
07:21:48 [chrismj]
will test with another browser (or three).
07:22:18 [jim]
ok, so the reason you can't add is you don't see a way to?
07:22:33 [til]
ok, now why on earth do they have to use a f***ing image instead of a standard submit button???
07:22:42 [chrismj]
yep. that's too bad. bad, bad, **BAD** mozilla 0.9.8.
07:23:16 [chrismj]
yep, the image was not viewable because of a bug in mozilla, and it should be a normal button rather than an image. that's a bug that should be changed.
07:23:36 [jim]
til: dunno... it was part of the notes demo
07:23:45 [chrismj]
[good dog, Galeon. you show that mozilla]
07:24:07 [jim]
I guess they wanted to show the magical changing button shape trick
07:24:15 [til]
chrismj: maybe you want to enter it in the sdm?
07:24:18 [chrismj]
how could you submit when using lynx, then??? [testing]
07:24:43 [til]
poor lynx
07:25:00 [chrismj]
yep, can't access it except with a browser that doesn't block images. must change.
07:25:15 [chrismj]
or at least detect that condition and act accordingly.
07:26:23 [chrismj]
* chrismj gets hungry for positive feedback--reaches for rocky road
07:26:33 [til]
adaptive button look would definitely be overkill for the notes package ;)
07:26:38 [chrismj]
thanks to you all for struggling through this with me.
07:26:56 [chrismj]
til: then I propose to change to standard button and never worry again.
07:27:28 [jim]
I just did a tiny thing of a package...
07:27:36 [til]
chrismj: ok, you want to enter it in the sdm?
07:28:07 [chrismj]
til: yeah, will do. thx!
07:28:36 [chrismj]
jim: sounds neato, it's a feature I am vitally interested in (to go by your earlier description)
07:29:14 [jim]
you mean my tiny package?
07:29:35 [chrismj]
yeah. [vaguely remembering discussion].
07:29:39 [til]
* til forgot all about music theory
07:29:52 [chrismj]
I can see the correct answer looking at the links when mousing-over.
07:30:01 [chrismj]
if that is the intent...
07:30:23 [jim]
yeah, another bug...
07:30:46 [til]
oh no, i just wanted to start cheating ;-)
07:31:14 [jim]
but before, you could see the answer because it was the only visited link, and showed up in another color
07:31:37 [chrismj]
hehe... I guess what I was more interested in (reviewing comments) was the idea of the list-scrambler and rnd generator, but I like your page as well--it's cool!
07:31:49 [chrismj]
yeah, cool that you fixed that.
07:32:05 [chrismj]
til: haha!
07:32:12 [chrismj]
til: about the cheating... :)
07:32:35 [jim]
chrismj: ahh
07:33:01 [jim]
the random number generator is in the aolserver tcl api as ns_rand
07:33:06 [chrismj]
cool...
07:33:30 [jim]
if you don't give it a limit, you get a float from 0 - 1
07:33:46 [jim]
if you do, you get an integer from 0 to limit-1
07:33:58 [chrismj]
cool... will be using soon...
07:35:42 [jim]
then, a list scrambler could be implemented as, "pick a random number as big as the number of list items, iterate thru the list, adding to a new list every one but the picked one... alter the list, return the item
07:36:06 [jim]
then repeat that as long as you have items in the original list
07:37:10 [jim]
(I didn't find an "ldelete" or "lremove")
07:41:15 [chrismj]
yeah, too bad you didn't find one of those. I was trying to think of a less expensive way to make the random list.
07:44:49 [chrismj]
ok, remembered to add bug for add note image. must continue with some other tasks...
07:45:30 [chrismj]
* chrismj nonchalantly sticks freezing feet in fireplace to thaw: Austin is 22F
07:46:56 [til]
mmh, grilled feet
07:47:17 [til]
how much is 22F in C?
07:47:53 [chrismj]
it's below 0. lemme see...
07:48:30 [chrismj]
about -5.5C??
07:48:42 [til]
brr
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11:21:33 [bigkevmcd]
is anybody running OpenACS 4.x ?
11:38:49 [chrismj]
bigkevmcd: sure, several ppl are. I am just starting out myself, using a cvs version I downloaded of 4.2prebeta from last week.
11:39:27 [bigkevmcd]
chrismj: I see plenty about it not working with PG7.2...
11:39:47 [bigkevmcd]
and that concerns me...
11:39:58 [bigkevmcd]
as I'm in the process of migrating a couple of 7.1.x boxes to 7.2
11:40:18 [bigkevmcd]
(I don't think I desperately need 7.2 for anything other than bugfixes)
11:52:28 [chrismj]
well, bigk, I'd stay with what works (7.1) for now and migrate with the others; that's my strategy.
11:53:11 [chrismj]
if oacs4.x is a priority for you. You may have other priorities with pg7.2, which would make it tougher
11:54:10 [bigkevmcd]
thanks for the advice
13:01:15 [rbm]
morning all
13:01:33 [rbm]
bigkevmcd: I just installed OpenACS 4.5 pre-beta on PG 7.2 yesterday night. Works great.
13:01:54 [bigkevmcd]
thanks rbm...that's the kinda thing I was wanting to hear...
13:01:56 [rbm]
bigkevmcd: A few weeks ago the thing that was causing problems with PG 7.2 was corrected.
13:02:15 [bigkevmcd]
I've had 3.x versions running for nearly a year, no problems...but I've changed jobs...
13:02:24 [bigkevmcd]
and I wanna set up a 4.x system for a demo
13:02:28 [rbm]
And let me tell you that 4.x is awesome.
13:02:48 [rbm]
I played with the photo-album and it's nice, although I can already think of improvements for it :)
13:16:47 [chrismj]
sweet! reports of pg7.2 working... that's great rbm!
13:23:28 [rbm]
chrismj: np
13:23:59 [rbm]
* rbm returns to homework
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14:23:19 [rbm]
wb guys
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15:09:19 [davb]
hi
15:09:25 [davb]
big data converstion today
15:11:06 [rbm]
hey davb
15:23:19 [rbm]
davb: SystemURL is set on the aolserver .tcl conf file?
15:23:57 [rbm]
davb: ?
15:32:04 [davb]
rbm: I don't think so.
15:32:20 [davb]
Try site-map -> acs-kernel -> parameters
15:32:27 [rbm]
I'm there
15:32:41 [davb]
system information from there I think :)
15:32:42 [rbm]
oh, nm. I wasn't therle
15:33:12 [davb]
I'm actually busy today :) but I'll be in and out.
15:33:19 [rbm]
Weird, shouldn't this have been set when I installed oacs 4?
15:34:06 [rbm]
OACS 4 rocks
15:44:38 [rbm]
hmmm, I'm seeing quite a number of errors on the logs with oacs 4 + PG 7.2
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16:16:30 [rbm]
wb talli, markd2
16:16:38 [talli]
hey rbm
16:16:57 [rbm]
talli: Did you see the "favorites" discussion earlier today?
16:18:10 [talli]
yeah, i'm going to post to it
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16:18:14 [talli]
it sounds great!
16:18:31 [talli]
it was one of the ideas i originally had for developer.openacs.org
16:18:49 [talli]
each package should have a section where you can assign bboard threads that are relevant to its use
16:18:57 [talli]
that make sense?
16:20:24 [rbm]
I did'nt get the last comment
16:20:36 [rbm]
I was messing with the bboard package, and it looks like it'll do the job
16:20:39 [talli]
well...
16:20:49 [rbm]
* rbm wishes he didn't have to do any more homework
16:21:03 [rbm]
s/bboard/bookmarks/
16:21:17 [talli]
imagine that each package has a page or its own subsite where you can view its docs, download the package and post bugs, features, etc.
16:21:30 [talli]
on this page/subsite, there is also a bookmark section
16:21:44 [talli]
in this bookmark section are all the bboard threads that discuss this particular package
16:21:52 [talli]
so, for instance take the portals package.
16:22:23 [talli]
if someone has a question about portals, they can first go to the portals page/subsite where they can RTFM
16:22:47 [talli]
if they can't find it there, they can look in its bookmarks section to view all the previous threads that might have touched on their problem
16:22:58 [talli]
finally, if they don't find anything they can post something new
16:22:59 [talli]
make sense?
16:24:22 [rbm]
Yeah, that'd be pretty neat.
16:24:37 [talli]
it might cut down on the amount of redundant threads
16:24:43 [talli]
fewer RTFM posts
16:24:57 [talli]
and centralize the responses to certain questions and problems
16:26:55 [rbm]
just have to come up with a way to implement it.
16:27:05 [rbm]
brb, gotta finish homework
16:27:09 [talli]
enjoy
16:44:21 [davb]
rbm: the SystemURL is not getting set. We noticed a little while ago. The form at the end of the intall probably should be setting it.
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16:52:03 [cro]
good morning
16:53:02 [markd2]
hello
16:53:26 [cro]
I just asked this question on the bboards, but wondered if I could get a quicker answer. :-)
16:53:59 [cro]
I don't understand what the purpose of ad_page_contract's -properties is.
16:54:19 [cro]
And how is it different from the other variable names you pass to a_p_c
16:54:41 [davb]
I think it is there to build documentation from.
16:54:50 [cro]
e.g. ad_page_contract { docs go here } { a_var:onevalue } -properties { title:onevalue }
16:55:06 [davb]
so that an adp builder knows what variables the tcl script outputs
16:56:37 [cro]
That's what I thought, but I'm still confused, I guess because in an associated .adp
16:56:53 [cro]
you can have statements like <property name="title">Title of Page</property>
16:57:41 [cro]
Also there doesn't appear to be any way to gather the docs for the "-properties" switch.
17:01:59 [davb]
probably not, likely it was planned, but never implemented fully.
17:02:19 [cro]
ok
17:02:31 [davb]
cro: that might be it, the property tag. I forgot about that.
17:02:45 [davb]
take a look at the examples in the ACS Templating doc section. they are really helpful.
17:02:55 [cro]
OK
17:02:58 [cro]
Thx.
17:15:39 [rbm]
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17:59:51 [k2pts]
hey guys
18:02:17 [rbm]
hey neophytos. Glad to see you around.
18:02:23 [k2pts]
hey roberto
18:02:27 [rbm]
k2pts: Thanks for that message, btw.
18:02:30 [markd2]
heya!
18:02:31 [k2pts]
np
18:02:37 [k2pts]
just wanted to fill you in
18:02:45 [k2pts]
hey markd2
18:03:21 [rbm]
Unfortunately, when you were most active in OpenACS I was most swamped with other things, and only now (when you are swamped) I am returning to full activity.
18:03:35 [markd2]
hmmm... maybe you're actually the same?
18:03:43 [markd2]
I've never seen you in the same place at the same time, except on IRC
18:03:50 [markd2]
then again, I've never seen either you, except on IRC...
18:03:55 [k2pts]
"Exactly so, one who is learning fresh details concerning any of office or art always proceeds in darkness, and receives no guidance from his original knowledge, for if he not left that behind he would get no farther nor make any progress; and in the same way, when the soul is making most progress it is travelling in darkness, knowing naught" -- St. John of the cross.
18:04:33 [rbm]
cool
18:04:50 [rbm]
markd2: One day I'll grab a web cam so you "see" me :)
18:05:02 [k2pts]
I'm just busy with other stuff these days. As I mentioned in my email, I'm still gonna contribute code
18:05:31 [k2pts]
rbm: that would be great...and congartulations for your wife...
18:05:51 [rbm]
k2pts: I'm interested in digging into th searching module. I also would like to understand more about acs service contract and all that good stuff you were talking about the other day
18:05:56 [rbm]
k2pts: thanks :)
18:06:45 [k2pts]
I'll be hang around in the IRC channel...actually I logged in to offer some help with stuff I have seen at the bboard (was in the army past couple of days)
18:07:50 [k2pts]
rbm: I did some improvements on the search package...I just didn't release it because it was unfinished when I started working on new stuff...then the new openfts version was released and I hold development for a while
18:08:05 [rbm]
k2pts: I see.
18:08:20 [k2pts]
rbm: mostly the package-specific search stuff etc
18:08:35 [rbm]
I have a project at work that is currently in ACS 4.2 classic, and we'll be porting it to OpenACS, so maybe i'll get paid to do openacs work for the first time :)
18:09:24 [k2pts]
I was never paid to do OpenACS development but as I said in my email, I was compensated more than I deserve by getting to know all of you better :)
18:10:29 [rbm]
k2pts: That's the greatest thing I've gotten with OpenACS as well. To get to know and work with giants and experience.
18:10:44 [k2pts]
rbm: about the favorites package that I have read on the bboard...it should not be done as part of the bookmarks package. Here comes the explanation:
18:11:20 [k2pts]
you need a separate package...much like general-comments, i.e. general-favorites
18:11:58 [k2pts]
you could then mark url links, articles, threads or anything else under your favorites stuff
18:12:18 [k2pts]
in the same way OpenACS needs a general-featured-stuff package
18:12:51 [k2pts]
that way you can select/feature items from the bboard package, or etp, or ...
18:14:18 [rbm]
makes sense
18:14:22 [k2pts]
rbm: you can think of service contracts as a message redirector at the application level...if you were thinking of it in terms of design patterns, the service contracts package is a mix of an "abstract factory", adapter, and mediator (probably more general than that)
18:15:38 [k2pts]
the improved service contracts package that Don mentioned in the bboards is going to use XML files to keep the specification of service contracts or their implementations...that way we won't have to port contracts/implementations specifications between different rdbms
18:16:55 [rbm]
cool
18:25:42 [k2pts]
rbm: I have to head out and we'll talk later...could you tell davb that I'll contact him about the RSS stuff and the categorization package?
18:26:42 [k2pts]
markd2: I'm gonna put a picture of me online so that you know how I look like :) (I only have one digital picture of myself and I'm not smiling there -- I usually do)
18:26:55 [markd2]
heh
18:26:55 [markd2]
cool
18:26:57 [rbm]
sure
18:27:05 [k2pts]
l8r guys
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18:33:24 [k2pts]
the image is huge (350K), it's gonna be available only for a while :)
18:34:58 [k2pts]
it was taken while working on the acs-service-contract package this summer
18:38:44 [markd2]
hence the glazed look in the eyes :-)
18:39:01 [k2pts]
yeap (actually, I was mad at the person taking the picture at the moment :)
18:39:06 [markd2]
heh
18:39:09 [markd2]
what's that on the t-shirt?
18:40:12 [k2pts]
(this is at a friend's house) it's a spider (it's the logo of a local ISP)...the t-shirt I was wearing was taken from his collection (mine was dirty from work)
18:41:12 [k2pts]
rbm: have you downloaded, so that I can remove it :)
18:43:14 [rbm]
yeah
18:43:15 [rbm]
:)
18:43:47 [k2pts]
ok it's not online now :) I hope I'll have a better one soon...
18:44:03 [rbm]
upload your portrait to oacs.org
18:44:16 [k2pts]
when I have a better img :) I will
18:44:32 [k2pts]
I'm probably gonna get myself a digital cam, one of these days
18:46:07 [hazmat]
good morning
18:46:16 [k2pts]
hey hazmat
18:46:18 [hazmat]
or otherwise as the case may be.
18:46:24 [k2pts]
evening :)
18:46:35 [markd2]
surly afternoon
18:46:41 [markd2]
er, early afternoon
18:47:05 [hazmat]
* hazmat feels like he should fine some halfling tabac
18:47:31 [markd2]
"I'd like to return this halfling tabac, it is scrratched"
18:49:28 [hazmat]
* hazmat looks for the k2pts's picture but it isn't there.
18:49:46 [k2pts]
gonna put it online in a moment...(read the disclaimer above, first :)
18:50:34 [hazmat]
so i shouldn't upload it to new-file-storage? ;)
18:50:41 [k2pts]
nooooo :)
18:51:10 [k2pts]
ok, it's online :)
18:54:21 [k2pts]
hazmat: did you get it :)
18:54:37 [hazmat]
got it, nice t-shirt ;)
18:54:56 [k2pts]
thanks, it's not there anymore :)
18:55:42 [hazmat]
damm it, didn't get to save it.
18:56:07 [k2pts]
:)
18:56:14 [k2pts]
wanna put it back online
18:56:15 [k2pts]
?
18:56:30 [hazmat]
no worrries.
18:56:37 [hazmat]
so to return the favor...
18:56:37 [k2pts]
rbm: I'm sure you'll like this one, http://www.forbes.com/asap/1999/1004/070_print.html
18:56:50 [k2pts]
hazmat: it's there now
18:59:54 [k2pts]
hazmat: did you get it?
19:00:11 [hazmat]
yes
19:00:16 [hazmat]
obliterate it.
19:00:18 [hazmat]
;)
19:00:30 [hazmat]
i have a really bad photo of myself up online...
19:00:31 [k2pts]
what's does "obliterate" means? :)
19:00:39 [k2pts]
where's it?
19:00:45 [hazmat]
destroy, terminate with extreme prejudice.
19:00:50 [k2pts]
yeap
19:00:51 [k2pts]
:)
19:01:22 [hazmat]
i'll msg you with the addr...
19:01:40 [k2pts]
:) ok
19:03:58 [k2pts]
anyone wanna know the address for Kapil's image?
19:03:59 [k2pts]
:)
19:06:33 [markd2]
heh
19:12:10 [talli]
yo
19:33:47 [k2pts]
later guys
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19:46:46 [davb]
darn. missed him.
19:47:16 [davb]
back to the "plan? what's a plan?" data conversion
19:48:02 [talli]
haha
19:48:15 [talli]
magazines don't write about "plans"
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20:33:54 [rbm]
moo
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21:28:19 [davb]
time to go. we are only a half-day behind schedule. not bad at all.
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22:12:41 [hazmat]
does anyone know where i can get a hold of the aD mapserver ?
22:14:17 [rbm]
hmmm, no
22:14:49 [hazmat]
:(
22:15:13 [rbm]
it's not in ad.com?
22:20:12 [hazmat]
nope
22:20:22 [hazmat]
it was at mapserver.arsdigita.com
22:20:26 [hazmat]
but its no longer there.
22:20:49 [hazmat]
searching ad gives no relevant alternative
22:21:43 [markd2]
maybe drop Karl Goldstein (?) a mail message. I think he wrote it
22:21:46 [markd2]
and would have a copy around
22:22:06 [hazmat]
good idea.
22:22:09 [hazmat]
thx
22:22:17 [markd2]
n'pleasure
22:22:31 [markd2]
I was gonna check the ex-ad group and get his current email, but it's down for maintenance right now
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22:47:34 [hazmat]
markd2: thanks again :)
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23:03:34 [rbm]
hmmm, anyone knows what I have to do to tell the request processor about a cgi app that I want to run?
23:05:01 [cro]
rbm: I didn't have any trouble setting that up--I just configured the nsd.tcl file.
23:05:13 [cro]
It had to be in the /cgi-bin directory, though.
23:05:22 [rbm]
cro: with OACS 4?
23:05:35 [cro]
I think so--I don't have that box running anymore.
23:05:41 [cro]
so I can't check directly, sorry.
23:05:43 [rbm]
Okay, I'll give it a try
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23:10:52 [til]
rbm: did you test the funny header for outlook that you were talking about yesterday?
23:11:45 [til]
i'd like to put it in my muttrc too, but did not find any info on the picture you posted unfortunately
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23:51:50 [denshi]
anyone awake?
23:51:57 [talli]
yo denshi
23:52:34 [rbm]
til: Well, there are two parts: the first one just displays an info message on Outlook. The second one tricks Outlook into thinking that the message is uuencoded, when in fact it's not. Any other client would be able to display that message but not Outlook.
23:53:09 [rbm]
So with the second trick the outlook user sees nothing of the e-mail, and he sees the info warning
23:54:19 [til]
aha ... so it is not possible to show the info bar and the message at the same time? or are the two tricks unrelated?
23:54:36 [rbm]
til: There is
23:54:53 [rbm]
I have in my .muttrc for a couple days now, but don't have an outlook client to test this on
23:55:29 [til]
could you send me the headers? i might have some guinea pigs here
23:55:34 [rbm]
my_hdr X-message-flag: Please consider using an e-mail program other than Outlook. It's insecure.
23:55:45 [jim]
hi...
23:55:48 [rbm]
hey jim
23:56:16 [jim]
some postgres questions; about to build another site
23:56:24 [til]
rbm: thanks, will try
23:56:31 [rbm]
til: let me know if it works
23:56:35 [jim]
should I go with 7.1.3?
23:56:40 [jim]
or 7.2?
23:56:40 [rbm]
Go Jim! Go Jim!
23:56:43 [til]
yep
23:56:58 [rbm]
jim: I installed OACS 4.5 pre-beta on PG 7.2 this weekend. Had no trouble.
23:57:31 [jim]
what did you feed to pg's configure scritp?
23:57:51 [rbm]
jim: Nothing. I used the Debian packages :)
23:58:00 [jim]
ahh
23:58:03 [jim]
on sid?
23:58:05 [rbm]
Yeah
23:58:27 [jim]
heh... keep it backed up :)
23:58:31 [rbm]
Before I used sid, I just did --with-tcl I think
23:59:05 [jim]
that builds tcl as a possible pl language?
23:59:34 [rbm]
jim: I run three machines on sid, including 2 production ones. I don't have any problems with it, I just watch the lists to make sure it's "safe" to upgrade. And I upgrade using dselect-upgrade
23:59:38 [rbm]
jim: yeah