00:04:31 k2pts has left #openacs 01:03:56 jim (~jim@12-233-187-5.client.attbi.com) has joined #openacs 01:04:45 argh, duh, the stupid windows machine is turned off :) 01:05:09 oh, oops :) 01:07:31 now I just have to tell my software to use that printer.... 01:08:13 I think you have to do something in win to make the printer available over the net 01:08:28 yes, I did that. that is the easy part. 01:09:19 see what happens if you do smbclient -h windows.ip.com.net.edu 01:09:58 bbiaf 01:10:09 jim has quit ("[x]chat") 01:10:17 aha 01:10:30 http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/SMB-HOWTO-10.html 01:10:30 A: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/SMB-HOWTO-10.html from davb 01:15:53 argh. I lost all the info I inputed into the stupid form 01:16:01 I will just fill it out on the windows machine :) 01:31:37 * davb completes the financial aid application 01:31:46 It looks like I am way to loaded to get any aid... 01:35:33 s/to/too 01:46:35 talli (~talli@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 01:47:17 who;s in the house on this eve? 01:47:29 heh 01:47:36 just me it looks like 01:47:59 * talli grumbles about being left alone with davb AGAIN 01:48:14 hey, you are in NYC, there must be something to do 01:48:42 friday and saturday nights are for rookies 01:49:00 oh, i see. 01:49:06 at least that's what people who need to rationalize why they don't go out on fri or sat nights like to think 01:53:10 markd2 (~Snak@r-41.181.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 02:11:48 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (Connection reset by peer) 02:12:59 loggy (~openacs-l@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #openacs 02:12:59 topic is: Free Web Toolkit | http://openacs.org | Sense of humor required 02:12:59 Users on #OpenACS: loggy talli davb til jabba_ 02:12:59 [#OpenACS] This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 02:13:22 chump (~chump@alb-24-58-160-41.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 02:13:22 hazmat (~chatzilla@adsl-66-123-57-58.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #openacs 02:13:22 andyn (~andy@12-254-190-230.client.attbi.com) has joined #openacs 02:13:22 dlk-party (dlk@as2-1-4.va.g.bonet.se) has joined #openacs 02:13:22 djg_ (~dirk@212.84.246.68) has joined #openacs 02:13:22 Psychephylax (nblyumbe@ool-18bd7775.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #openacs 02:14:06 markd2 (~Snak@r-41.181.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 02:16:00 jim (~jim@12-233-187-5.client.attbi.com) has joined #openacs 02:16:27 ok, I couldn't find out much wrt the smb thing 02:17:25 thanks jim. 02:17:33 I just used the other machine :) 02:17:36 did you get it working? 02:18:14 oic 02:21:35 the form I needed to print timed out so I had to do it all over again anyway. 02:34:54 samba isn't the easiest thing to set up, given windows is involved... 02:36:56 yeah. I never have gotten printing working in linux, even with a printer directly attached :) 03:15:29 anyone else use the new photo album package? 03:20:16 ah, it never sets package_id 03:27:27 weird, it didn't load the datamodel correctly 03:33:09 very weird. the package allegedy installed ok, but the data model does not exist. 03:42:45 oops, looks like I need some more ram in the web server 03:46:09 ah, now it works. weird. the first time the data model didn't load. I removed the package and reinstalled and now it works. 03:48:04 magic 03:51:00 argh, I need to install imagemagick 03:56:22 argh. uglr urls. 03:56:39 it shoudl be photoalbum/albumname/photoid 04:09:17 shagster (~mkovach@63.90.248.161) has joined #openacs 04:16:54 ok, that is enough excitement for me for one evening. good night all 04:16:56 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 04:26:09 heeeelllooooo? heeeeelllllooooo? 04:26:56 hi 04:27:01 hey hazmat 04:27:04 how's it going? 04:27:17 ok, i'm sleepy... 04:27:36 and getting sleepier... 04:27:38 been working on zope3 and the python repository alot... gotta get back to the job hunt soon. 04:27:42 whoof 04:28:00 what is zope3 like? i haven't been able to find any good docs of what it will consist of 04:29:19 it will be component based, little to no magic, alot more flexible. 04:29:36 there are docs online but i don't recall the url at the moment, its on the component architecture wiki 04:29:59 little to no magic meaning it will be easier to get a hold of? 04:30:00 http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/FrontPage 04:30:00 B: http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/FrontPage from hazmat 04:30:04 faster learning curve 04:30:12 B: Zope3 Component Architecture 04:30:12 commented item B 04:30:32 probably more learning initially but very much flat after that. 04:30:59 so more like OACS? 04:31:22 meaning that to build a regular site you need more time to learn the system 04:31:22 in terms of learning curve, sure. 04:31:43 well, the level i'm speaking about is at python developer level. 04:31:57 at the ttw level, i expect things will be similiar. 04:32:03 if not easier 04:32:21 ah, ok 04:32:22 because things will be alot more explicit... 04:32:30 like what? 04:33:19 ttw level? 04:33:21 currently through-the-web development dealing with an implicit namespace, zope3 will shift to explicit namespaces 04:33:29 through the web (ttw) 04:33:48 ah, ok 04:33:55 what's the ttw approach about? 04:34:06 for zope2 or zope3? 04:34:13 either 04:35:00 in zope2 you never have to touch the filesystem, you can do all your development via the browser, define classes, access services, create methods, content, logic, etc. instantiate products that you might have installed. 04:36:20 plus it has webdav and ftp support builtin... 04:38:08 this is distinct from a user interface... 04:38:46 in relating to the acs, the CMF is more akin to something in zope that provides out of the box servies, albeit of a very different nature outside of basics like membership 04:38:56 one nice thing is that its drop in skinnable 04:39:10 see plone.org one for example 04:39:32 * hazmat realizes he should get some rest... 04:39:51 cheers talli 04:39:55 later hazmat 04:39:58 have a good night 04:51:06 til has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05:00:48 markd2 has quit ("wheeeee") 05:07:53 dlk-party has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 07:45:22 dlk (dlk@as2-1-4.va.g.bonet.se) has joined #openacs 09:19:37 chrismj (~chrismj@cs6668179-9.austin.rr.com) has joined #openacs 09:28:30 dlk is now known as dlk-afk 11:40:12 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 12:32:00 wow, etp still rocks. 12:32:12 It is a piece of cake to organize and add stuff to my new site! 12:50:45 * davb waits for ETP 2... 13:26:30 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 13:26:31 chrismj has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:27:22 chrismj (~chrismj@cs6668179-9.austin.rr.com) has joined #openacs 13:49:31 OscarM (~a@ool-18b958-184.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #openacs 13:49:38 OscarM has left #openacs 14:48:25 anlater (~antonio@212.34.222.62) has joined #openacs 14:51:01 Hi, I'm connected psql ciao and I want select * from table in database2 on same machine. Can I do it from pgsql? Thanks 14:56:36 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 14:57:52 select * from ; 14:58:07 Whith postgresql 14:58:26 dlk-afk has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:58:58 inside aolserver? 14:59:16 inside pgsql 15:00:12 or inside aolserver... 15:00:19 you want one database to be able to read tables frm another database? 15:00:28 yes 15:00:46 you can do it in aolserver, but make another pool that connects to that database, but you have to use the aolserver db api. ns_db gethandle etc... 15:01:54 and there is something like dblink syntax: select * from table@istance2 from pgsql? 15:02:42 not sure. 15:02:46 I never tried it. 15:03:55 I remember an old tread, on bboard but I'm not finding it 15:04:31 If you want to use different db instance you just setup different dbpools 15:04:52 the you just setup a connection from the pool you want to use 15:05:27 if I get a message Too Big when I try to boot, my kernel is too big? 15:05:44 Most likely... 15:06:00 hmmm. 15:06:04 that is annoying. 15:06:06 :) 15:06:11 make bzImage ???? 15:06:18 I did :) 15:06:23 dlk (dlk@as2-1-4.va.g.bonet.se) has joined #openacs 15:07:28 Then you need to remove stuff 15:08:10 yeah. I didn't think I had that much stuff in there :) 15:13:22 * davb recompiles, again 15:14:17 wow. I can't believe its the weekend already. I barely remember talking to Don last weekend about the beat 15:14:21 s/beat/beta 15:16:10 brb, i hope 15:16:11 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 15:25:39 docwolf (~docwolf@adsl-34-207-203.bct.bellsouth.net) has joined #openacs 16:00:10 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 16:00:16 hello again. 16:00:20 all my modules are hosed... 16:00:24 :) 16:18:47 denshi (toddg@linux128.ma.utexas.edu) has joined #openacs 16:19:31 'ello in here! 16:19:36 hey denshi! 16:19:39 has anyone seen k2pts? 16:19:47 not since yesterday 16:20:03 what's his bboard post supposed to mean? 16:20:21 I am not sure. He is SUPER busy on alot of projects. It might mean what it says. 16:20:55 although yesterday he vowed to rewrite OpenACS because of all the crappy code, like general comments deleting all the comments after 24 hours 16:24:37 brb, new kernel 16:24:41 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 16:25:55 wtf? why doesn't he use modules? 16:26:36 is neophytos giving up? 16:29:36 dunno. I think he's just really busy. 16:30:17 otoh, I've been too busy to contribute for some time now, but I didn't post a goodbye message on the main page to announce it. So it is kind of odd. 16:32:53 There's snow on the ground here in Dallas. That's also pretty odd. 16:33:52 whoa 16:33:57 snow? that's wacky 16:35:39 talilee (~talli@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 16:36:29 talli has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:36:36 talilee is now known as talli 16:44:36 hows your little empire today, docwolf? 16:44:57 hehe. the wolfcave is buzzing 16:45:13 we have been working for like 20 hours non-stop to get our demo out the door 16:46:18 so when do we get to see it? 16:46:33 hehe.. soon enough 16:46:43 we are making the interface into a total amazon ripoff 16:46:46 it's pretty funny 16:47:09 have you seen brains4zombies.com? 16:47:18 it's an excellent amazon ripoff. 16:51:58 hehe. really? 16:52:03 cool 16:52:13 we are just sort of aping the layout, because people are familiar with it. 16:52:20 we made all the graphics ourselves (gulp...) 16:53:40 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 16:53:47 * davb returns defeated 16:54:02 ok. I am dling a new kernel 2.4.18, anything bad about it? 16:55:12 umm... I think I heard there was a patch in 2.4.17.-pre6 that was mistakenly left out of 2.4.18, but I don't think it's damaging. 16:55:31 I can't remember which list I read that on. I need to handle my mail better. 16:55:47 yeah me to.. 16:58:15 i think it was from the TUX list. so no worries. 16:58:55 i think it was that there was a patch in 2.4.18r4 that was left out of 2.4.18 but you can get it from ac's kernel 16:58:55 ok. 16:59:07 something like that 16:59:11 ah. 16:59:20 talli: where can I get that? 16:59:39 uhm... 16:59:44 heh, thats ok :) 16:59:48 i don't really know. maybe ac's websites? 16:59:58 What, an AC kernel? 17:00:08 shagster, is that bad? 17:00:09 ftp.kernel.org 17:00:22 that is where i got the regular one :) 17:00:32 it is in /pub/linux/people/alan 17:00:50 ok I do make menuconfig, make dep, 17:00:52 I think.... 17:00:57 next do I need to do make clean? 17:01:04 shagster, i've been looking for you... 17:01:18 what did I do now? 17:01:19 :) 17:01:20 I have conflicting directions and I am easily confused :) 17:01:33 how's all that email stuff you've been working on? 17:01:58 davb: ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/alan/ 17:02:06 talli, going slowly.. 17:02:28 I've been bring up a new link this week... 17:03:59 shagster, do you have any specs or anything to flesh out your ideas? 17:04:37 I worked on the specs some this week. I should have something solid beginning of next week... 17:04:45 very cool 17:04:54 i'd really like to see something when you have it 17:05:02 are you familiar with webmin? 17:05:07 Yes... 17:05:22 is it any good? 17:05:27 I use it quite a bit from some servers 17:05:32 http://alterslash.org 17:05:33 C: http://alterslash.org from denshi 17:05:45 You have to be careful with it (it can do wacking things at times) 17:05:52 but it works really well for me... 17:06:14 good to know 17:07:00 ? "Every few months Debian developers release a new official version of Debian. " 17:07:11 C: a digest for slashdot. 17:07:11 commented item C 17:07:12 the reason i ask is that there's an effort to build a project that could provide a full system for nonprofits out of the box (email, db, web, etc.) 17:07:20 What is there time for for a month? 17:07:48 denshi: how long before slashdot starts sending out cease and desists to these kinds of sites? 17:08:27 talli: Kewl. I'd love to see something like that for non-profits 17:08:36 yeah 17:08:46 talli: slashdot doesn't own the comments :) and the provide the news stories as an XML feed... 17:08:52 ah, ok 17:09:03 so they're going to screw themselves, huh? 17:09:10 charging for their crap 17:09:21 oh yeah, I wouldn't pay for it.... 17:09:34 well, paying for it -without- ads 17:09:37 the alterslash ui is much much better 17:09:46 that is what lynx is for :) 17:09:56 shagster: :) 17:10:00 heh. 17:10:00 touche 17:10:01 I'm going to go frolick in the snow. Then play with the latest oacs4. 17:10:10 snow? 17:10:14 bye gentlemen. 17:10:16 with a bum ankle? 17:10:17 snow? we don't have snow in new york! 17:10:25 in texas? 17:10:26 indeed, there is snow on the ground here in Texas. 17:10:34 and pigs flying in hell 17:11:30 * denshi processes a mixed metaphor, generates a signal 11, and dumps core. 17:11:53 * davb tests new kernel 17:11:55 ugh. if you're dumping core, you may want to see a doctor 17:11:57 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 17:11:58 docwolf? vinod? 17:12:01 anyway, I'm tired of looking at talli @ 33kbps. So I'm gone. 17:12:07 denshi has quit ("denshi has no reason") 17:16:39 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 17:16:41 yeah! 17:16:46 everything seems to work except sound. 17:19:52 you know, for all of the things i've said about linux, the FSF and RMS really have done something totally amazing with the a free OS 17:20:00 the kernel, IMO, is the least impressive thing 17:20:13 all of the GNU utils are totally incredible, like gcc and glibc 17:21:10 true 17:21:46 all of the OSS kernels out there require them. that's pretty impressive 17:22:02 right. 17:37:46 andyn has quit (Remote closed the connection) 17:37:46 chrismj has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:41:17 dlk has quit ("You have to reboot a Windows machine to fix a problem? Surely you jest?") 17:43:28 sound works 18:55:46 anlater has quit ("[x]chat") 19:12:09 shagster has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:56:46 http://orgwis.gmd.de/~bscw/papers/boston-95/BOSTON.html 19:56:46 D: http://orgwis.gmd.de/~bscw/papers/boston-95/BOSTON.html from davb 19:57:08 D:|Supporting Collaborative Information Sharing with the World Wide Web:The BSCW Shared Workspace System 19:57:08 titled item D 19:57:36 D:[BCWS|http://orgwis.gmd.de/projects/BSCW/] 19:57:36 commented item D 20:01:34 http://wiley.ed.usu.edu/docs/ososs.pdf 20:01:34 E: http://wiley.ed.usu.edu/docs/ososs.pdf from davb 20:01:52 E:|Online self-organizing social systems: The decentralized future of online learning [pdf] 20:01:52 titled item E 20:04:41 BLURB: Look at [Coversant|http://www.free-conversant.com], they have email to bboard down! 20:04:41 F: Look at [Coversant|http://www.free-conversant.com], they have email to bboard down! from davb 20:05:02 F: Maybe even looking at the URLs, or email headers will give us some hints 20:05:02 commented item F 20:39:42 rbm (rmello@fslc.usu.edu) has joined #openacs 20:42:04 http://www.aiga.org/content.cfm?CategoryID=38 20:42:04 G: http://www.aiga.org/content.cfm?CategoryID=38 from davb 20:42:15 G:| AIGA Symbols and Signs 20:42:15 titled item G 20:43:32 markd2 (~Snak@166.102.30.109) has joined #openacs 20:45:36 hi rbm, markd2 20:46:19 http://www.linesandsplines.com/ 20:46:19 H: http://www.linesandsplines.com/ from davb 20:46:32 H:| Lines and Splines : Typography Weblog 20:46:33 titled item H 20:46:44 one of these days I will get the chump links into the database... 20:46:49 talli has left #openacs 20:47:05 http://www.provenanceunknown.com/edit/style.html 20:47:05 I: http://www.provenanceunknown.com/edit/style.html from davb 20:47:13 I:|Web Copy Style Guide 20:47:13 titled item I 20:53:05 http://www.wplug.org/~evand/chick/ 20:53:05 J: http://www.wplug.org/~evand/chick/ from markd2 20:53:24 The Little OS. Religion for the Mac faithful. 20:53:32 J:| The Little OS. Religion for hte Mac faithful 20:53:32 titled item J 20:56:15 hey davb, markd2 20:56:24 * rbm flinches at the mention of splines 21:02:28 seems like old splines 21:04:11 markd2 has quit ("practice time") 21:07:42 talli (~talli@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 21:07:49 hey guys 21:08:07 hey talli 21:08:59 @#?$?!@#$?!?!? 21:09:01 ?? 21:10:15 I'm bedind on openacs posts 21:10:31 he posted this morning 21:10:36 and don followed up on it 21:10:49 * rbm goes to catch up 21:11:26 interesting 21:32:19 * rbm finishes catching up 21:32:23 whew! That was a lot of mail 21:32:35 argh, my fingers are feezing 21:32:40 freezing even 21:32:59 paje (~paje@slxwy.dorms.usu.edu) has joined #openacs 21:33:07 paje: insult winter 21:33:07 winter is nothing but a common-kissing bag of unmuzzled pods. 21:33:43 markd2 (~Snak@r-41.137.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 21:33:54 Too bad neophytos is leaving. 21:34:02 leaving? 21:34:28 markd2: Yeah, he posted to the bboards this morning 21:35:01 :-( 21:37:58 anybody that does docbook around/ 21:38:03 s,/,?, 21:38:38 time to get the pizza, bbiab 22:09:21 vinod (~vinod@208-59-181-78.s1348.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs 22:09:32 vinod! Just th man I was looking for. 22:09:40 hey rbm! 22:09:44 how goes it? 22:09:57 vinod: making the final changes into the docs. Almost done. 22:10:03 excellent 22:10:11 chrismj (~chrismj@cs6668179-9.austin.rr.com) has joined #openacs 22:10:27 vinod: I added a variable to the top index.xml that creates a "version" variable, so that you can do "&version;" anywhere and have it replaced with our current version. 22:10:39 nice! 22:11:45 I looked at what the PG guys did, and copied it. I hope it works :) 22:11:57 been typing M-x query-replace a lot :) 22:12:02 haha 22:12:02 s/typing/doing/ 22:12:25 brb - gotta get my laundry 22:12:35 vinod: BTW, what do I need to change in my debian setup to use your modified .xsl? 22:12:41 (with the logo and all) 22:18:32 new question: why does http://yourdomain.com show up all over the place, even though I've changed SystemURL in acs-kernel? 22:19:42 I've even gone through the code and done a database dump, and indeed, there is http://yourdomain.com stuck in a table called acm_parameter_values, but when I go to acm admin and look at parameters, there is no URL to change in the list of parameters! 22:20:03 chrismj: check your AOLserver config file. 22:20:34 bbl eating 22:20:47 oh, one more thing: when I startup nsd, I get "Caching SystemURL for 151 to http://yourdomain.com 22:24:47 rbm: i don't think you need to change anything, as long as you have docbook-xsl installed 22:24:53 one thing 22:25:45 i just looked at my openacs.xsl file and it does an of a local URI. we should probably change that at some point to a HTTP URI 22:26:40 so right now, it requires that you have all the docbook xsl files on your machine (and in the exact location specified), which shouldn't be a problem since we both use debian 22:28:31 how can I prevent AOLServer from caching this incorrect SystemURL--I think it's getting it from a bogus database entry, which I don't understand why it's in there in the first place 22:28:48 because I can't seem to modify the bogus database entry 22:29:00 vinod: let's change that now then. 22:30:29 s/acm_parameter_values/apm_parameter_values/ 22:33:44 hmm, can't find the url though 22:36:22 rbm: yeah, me neither. aD had their own repository that they pointed to. i'm not sure if there's a public one or not 22:37:02 chrismj: the caching shouldn't be a problem. whenever you update the value, the cached value should be thrown out. the question is why the update doesn't stick. 22:39:39 vinod, the update sticks: in another table. but it's seemingly hard-coded in this apm_parameter_values table, and in looking through the code, I can't even figure out how/why AOLServer tries to cache it from that table, because the rest of the code uses the table that clearly shows my updated URL 22:42:18 e.g. I load /pvt/home for my user, and it shows the URL as http://yourdomain.com ; now, the source of that page is pulling that from ad_url, so I try to figure out where ad_url could have been set using a value from apm_parameter_values by grepping all files for both terms. 22:44:11 I get the intersection occurring in /packages/acs-tcl/tcl/defs-procs.tcl 22:44:23 looking at that file, I find ad_url defined as 22:44:39 proc ad_url{} { 22:45:05 return [ad_parameter -package_id [ad_acs_kernel_id] SystemURL] 22:45:08 } 22:45:33 weird. i just changed my SystemURL. apm_parameter_values got updated appropriately and /pvt/home shows the new url 22:45:57 really! I got CVS of oacs earlier this week. 22:46:22 i don't think anything has been changed recently, either...hmmm 22:46:32 maybe it's a little bug in mine? I don't really think it could be. that's why I bring up the AOLServer message: "Caching SystemURL" upon startup 22:47:11 but it gets that value from apm_parameter_values. so the bug is not the caching, but the fact that yourdomain.com is still in apm_parameter_values 22:47:32 right--indeed, a new pg_dump shows the value yourdomain.com unchanged in apm_parameter_values 22:47:55 chrismj: how did you change SystemURL? via the site-map? 22:47:56 I know that after changing SystemURL in acs-kernel I have to write out the xml file... 22:48:06 via acs-kernel parameters 22:48:09 chrismj: site-map, scroll down ACS Kernel parameters 22:48:21