IRC log of openacs on 2002-03-02

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01:04:45 [davb]
argh, duh, the stupid windows machine is turned off :)
01:05:09 [jim]
oh, oops :)
01:07:31 [davb]
now I just have to tell my software to use that printer....
01:08:13 [jim]
I think you have to do something in win to make the printer available over the net
01:08:28 [davb]
yes, I did that. that is the easy part.
01:09:19 [jim]
see what happens if you do smbclient -h windows.ip.com.net.edu
01:09:58 [jim]
bbiaf
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01:10:17 [davb]
aha
01:10:30 [davb]
http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/SMB-HOWTO-10.html
01:10:30 [chump]
A: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/SMB-HOWTO-10.html from davb
01:15:53 [davb]
argh. I lost all the info I inputed into the stupid form
01:16:01 [davb]
I will just fill it out on the windows machine :)
01:31:37 [davb]
* davb completes the financial aid application
01:31:46 [davb]
It looks like I am way to loaded to get any aid...
01:35:33 [davb]
s/to/too
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01:47:17 [talli]
who;s in the house on this eve?
01:47:29 [davb]
heh
01:47:36 [davb]
just me it looks like
01:47:59 [talli]
* talli grumbles about being left alone with davb AGAIN
01:48:14 [davb]
hey, you are in NYC, there must be something to do
01:48:42 [talli]
friday and saturday nights are for rookies
01:49:00 [davb]
oh, i see.
01:49:06 [talli]
at least that's what people who need to rationalize why they don't go out on fri or sat nights like to think
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02:12:59 [carter.openprojects.net]
topic is: Free Web Toolkit | http://openacs.org | Sense of humor required
02:12:59 [carter.openprojects.net]
Users on #OpenACS: loggy talli davb til jabba_
02:12:59 [ChanServ]
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02:16:27 [jim]
ok, I couldn't find out much wrt the smb thing
02:17:25 [davb]
thanks jim.
02:17:33 [davb]
I just used the other machine :)
02:17:36 [jim]
did you get it working?
02:18:14 [jim]
oic
02:21:35 [davb]
the form I needed to print timed out so I had to do it all over again anyway.
02:34:54 [jim]
samba isn't the easiest thing to set up, given windows is involved...
02:36:56 [davb]
yeah. I never have gotten printing working in linux, even with a printer directly attached :)
03:15:29 [davb]
anyone else use the new photo album package?
03:20:16 [davb]
ah, it never sets package_id
03:27:27 [davb]
weird, it didn't load the datamodel correctly
03:33:09 [davb]
very weird. the package allegedy installed ok, but the data model does not exist.
03:42:45 [davb]
oops, looks like I need some more ram in the web server
03:46:09 [davb]
ah, now it works. weird. the first time the data model didn't load. I removed the package and reinstalled and now it works.
03:48:04 [markd2]
magic
03:51:00 [davb]
argh, I need to install imagemagick
03:56:22 [davb]
argh. uglr urls.
03:56:39 [davb]
it shoudl be photoalbum/albumname/photoid
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04:16:54 [davb]
ok, that is enough excitement for me for one evening. good night all
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04:26:09 [talli]
heeeelllooooo? <echo>heeeeelllllooooo?</echo>
04:26:56 [hazmat]
hi
04:27:01 [talli]
hey hazmat
04:27:04 [talli]
how's it going?
04:27:17 [hazmat]
ok, i'm sleepy...
04:27:36 [talli]
and getting sleepier...
04:27:38 [hazmat]
been working on zope3 and the python repository alot... gotta get back to the job hunt soon.
04:27:42 [talli]
whoof
04:28:00 [talli]
what is zope3 like? i haven't been able to find any good docs of what it will consist of
04:29:19 [hazmat]
it will be component based, little to no magic, alot more flexible.
04:29:36 [hazmat]
there are docs online but i don't recall the url at the moment, its on the component architecture wiki
04:29:59 [talli]
little to no magic meaning it will be easier to get a hold of?
04:30:00 [hazmat]
http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/FrontPage
04:30:00 [chump]
B: http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/FrontPage from hazmat
04:30:04 [talli]
faster learning curve
04:30:12 [hazmat]
B: Zope3 Component Architecture
04:30:12 [chump]
commented item B
04:30:32 [hazmat]
probably more learning initially but very much flat after that.
04:30:59 [talli]
so more like OACS?
04:31:22 [talli]
meaning that to build a regular site you need more time to learn the system
04:31:22 [hazmat]
in terms of learning curve, sure.
04:31:43 [hazmat]
well, the level i'm speaking about is at python developer level.
04:31:57 [hazmat]
at the ttw level, i expect things will be similiar.
04:32:03 [hazmat]
if not easier
04:32:21 [talli]
ah, ok
04:32:22 [hazmat]
because things will be alot more explicit...
04:32:30 [talli]
like what?
04:33:19 [talli]
ttw level?
04:33:21 [hazmat]
currently through-the-web development dealing with an implicit namespace, zope3 will shift to explicit namespaces
04:33:29 [hazmat]
through the web (ttw)
04:33:48 [talli]
ah, ok
04:33:55 [talli]
what's the ttw approach about?
04:34:06 [hazmat]
for zope2 or zope3?
04:34:13 [talli]
either
04:35:00 [hazmat]
in zope2 you never have to touch the filesystem, you can do all your development via the browser, define classes, access services, create methods, content, logic, etc. instantiate products that you might have installed.
04:36:20 [hazmat]
plus it has webdav and ftp support builtin...
04:38:08 [hazmat]
this is distinct from a user interface...
04:38:46 [hazmat]
in relating to the acs, the CMF is more akin to something in zope that provides out of the box servies, albeit of a very different nature outside of basics like membership
04:38:56 [hazmat]
one nice thing is that its drop in skinnable
04:39:10 [hazmat]
see plone.org one for example
04:39:32 [hazmat]
* hazmat realizes he should get some rest...
04:39:51 [hazmat]
cheers talli
04:39:55 [talli]
later hazmat
04:39:58 [talli]
have a good night
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12:32:00 [davb]
wow, etp still rocks.
12:32:12 [davb]
It is a piece of cake to organize and add stuff to my new site!
12:50:45 [davb]
* davb waits for ETP 2...
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14:51:01 [anlater]
Hi, I'm connected psql ciao and I want select * from table in database2 on same machine. Can I do it from pgsql? Thanks
14:56:36 [davb]
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14:57:52 [anlater]
select * from <table on other istance of database on same machine>;
14:58:07 [anlater]
Whith postgresql
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14:58:58 [davb]
inside aolserver?
14:59:16 [anlater]
inside pgsql
15:00:12 [anlater]
or inside aolserver...
15:00:19 [davb]
you want one database to be able to read tables frm another database?
15:00:28 [anlater]
yes
15:00:46 [davb]
you can do it in aolserver, but make another pool that connects to that database, but you have to use the aolserver db api. ns_db gethandle etc...
15:01:54 [anlater]
and there is something like dblink syntax: select * from table@istance2 from pgsql?
15:02:42 [davb]
not sure.
15:02:46 [davb]
I never tried it.
15:03:55 [anlater]
I remember an old tread, on bboard but I'm not finding it
15:04:31 [shagster]
If you want to use different db instance you just setup different dbpools
15:04:52 [shagster]
the you just setup a connection from the pool you want to use
15:05:27 [davb]
if I get a message Too Big when I try to boot, my kernel is too big?
15:05:44 [shagster]
Most likely...
15:06:00 [davb]
hmmm.
15:06:04 [davb]
that is annoying.
15:06:06 [davb]
:)
15:06:11 [anlater]
make bzImage ????
15:06:18 [davb]
I did :)
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15:07:28 [shagster]
Then you need to remove stuff
15:08:10 [davb]
yeah. I didn't think I had that much stuff in there :)
15:13:22 [davb]
* davb recompiles, again
15:14:17 [davb]
wow. I can't believe its the weekend already. I barely remember talking to Don last weekend about the beat
15:14:21 [davb]
s/beat/beta
15:16:10 [davb]
brb, i hope
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16:00:16 [davb]
hello again.
16:00:20 [davb]
all my modules are hosed...
16:00:24 [davb]
:)
16:18:47 [denshi]
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16:19:31 [denshi]
'ello in here!
16:19:36 [davb]
hey denshi!
16:19:39 [denshi]
has anyone seen k2pts?
16:19:47 [davb]
not since yesterday
16:20:03 [denshi]
what's his bboard post supposed to mean?
16:20:21 [davb]
I am not sure. He is SUPER busy on alot of projects. It might mean what it says.
16:20:55 [davb]
although yesterday he vowed to rewrite OpenACS because of all the crappy code, like general comments deleting all the comments after 24 hours
16:24:37 [davb]
brb, new kernel
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16:25:55 [denshi]
wtf? why doesn't he use modules?
16:26:36 [docwolf]
is neophytos giving up?
16:29:36 [denshi]
dunno. I think he's just really busy.
16:30:17 [denshi]
otoh, I've been too busy to contribute for some time now, but I didn't post a goodbye message on the main page to announce it. So it is kind of odd.
16:32:53 [denshi]
There's snow on the ground here in Dallas. That's also pretty odd.
16:33:52 [docwolf]
whoa
16:33:57 [docwolf]
snow? that's wacky
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16:44:36 [denshi]
hows your little empire today, docwolf?
16:44:57 [docwolf]
hehe. the wolfcave is buzzing
16:45:13 [docwolf]
we have been working for like 20 hours non-stop to get our demo out the door
16:46:18 [denshi]
so when do we get to see it?
16:46:33 [docwolf]
hehe.. soon enough
16:46:43 [docwolf]
we are making the interface into a total amazon ripoff
16:46:46 [docwolf]
it's pretty funny
16:47:09 [denshi]
have you seen brains4zombies.com?
16:47:18 [denshi]
it's an excellent amazon ripoff.
16:51:58 [docwolf]
hehe. really?
16:52:03 [docwolf]
cool
16:52:13 [docwolf]
we are just sort of aping the layout, because people are familiar with it.
16:52:20 [docwolf]
we made all the graphics ourselves (gulp...)
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16:53:47 [davb]
* davb returns defeated
16:54:02 [davb]
ok. I am dling a new kernel 2.4.18, anything bad about it?
16:55:12 [denshi]
umm... I think I heard there was a patch in 2.4.17.-pre6 that was mistakenly left out of 2.4.18, but I don't think it's damaging.
16:55:31 [denshi]
I can't remember which list I read that on. I need to handle my mail better.
16:55:47 [davb]
yeah me to..
16:58:15 [denshi]
i think it was from the TUX list. so no worries.
16:58:55 [talli]
i think it was that there was a patch in 2.4.18r4 that was left out of 2.4.18 but you can get it from ac's kernel
16:58:55 [davb]
ok.
16:59:07 [talli]
something like that
16:59:11 [davb]
ah.
16:59:20 [davb]
talli: where can I get that?
16:59:39 [talli]
uhm...
16:59:44 [davb]
heh, thats ok :)
16:59:48 [talli]
i don't really know. maybe ac's websites?
16:59:58 [shagster]
What, an AC kernel?
17:00:08 [talli]
shagster, is that bad?
17:00:09 [shagster]
ftp.kernel.org
17:00:22 [davb]
that is where i got the regular one :)
17:00:32 [shagster]
it is in /pub/linux/people/alan
17:00:50 [davb]
ok I do make menuconfig, make dep,
17:00:52 [shagster]
I think....
17:00:57 [davb]
next do I need to do make clean?
17:01:04 [talli]
shagster, i've been looking for you...
17:01:18 [shagster]
what did I do now?
17:01:19 [shagster]
:)
17:01:20 [davb]
I have conflicting directions and I am easily confused :)
17:01:33 [talli]
how's all that email stuff you've been working on?
17:01:58 [shagster]
davb: ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/alan/
17:02:06 [shagster]
talli, going slowly..
17:02:28 [shagster]
I've been bring up a new link this week...
17:03:59 [talli]
shagster, do you have any specs or anything to flesh out your ideas?
17:04:37 [shagster]
I worked on the specs some this week. I should have something solid beginning of next week...
17:04:45 [talli]
very cool
17:04:54 [talli]
i'd really like to see something when you have it
17:05:02 [talli]
are you familiar with webmin?
17:05:07 [shagster]
Yes...
17:05:22 [talli]
is it any good?
17:05:27 [shagster]
I use it quite a bit from some servers
17:05:32 [denshi]
http://alterslash.org
17:05:33 [chump]
C: http://alterslash.org from denshi
17:05:45 [shagster]
You have to be careful with it (it can do wacking things at times)
17:05:52 [shagster]
but it works really well for me...
17:06:14 [talli]
good to know
17:07:00 [shagster]
? "Every few months Debian developers release a new official version of Debian. "
17:07:11 [denshi]
C: a digest for slashdot.
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commented item C
17:07:12 [talli]
the reason i ask is that there's an effort to build a project that could provide a full system for nonprofits out of the box (email, db, web, etc.)
17:07:20 [shagster]
What is there time for for a month?
17:07:48 [talli]
denshi: how long before slashdot starts sending out cease and desists to these kinds of sites?
17:08:27 [shagster]
talli: Kewl. I'd love to see something like that for non-profits
17:08:36 [talli]
yeah
17:08:46 [davb]
talli: slashdot doesn't own the comments :) and the provide the news stories as an XML feed...
17:08:52 [talli]
ah, ok
17:09:03 [talli]
so they're going to screw themselves, huh?
17:09:10 [talli]
charging for their crap
17:09:21 [davb]
oh yeah, I wouldn't pay for it....
17:09:34 [shagster]
well, paying for it -without- ads
17:09:37 [talli]
the alterslash ui is much much better
17:09:46 [shagster]
that is what lynx is for :)
17:09:56 [talli]
shagster: :)
17:10:00 [davb]
heh.
17:10:00 [talli]
touche
17:10:01 [denshi]
I'm going to go frolick in the snow. Then play with the latest oacs4.
17:10:10 [talli]
snow?
17:10:14 [denshi]
bye gentlemen.
17:10:16 [talli]
with a bum ankle?
17:10:17 [davb]
snow? we don't have snow in new york!
17:10:25 [talli]
in texas?
17:10:26 [denshi]
indeed, there is snow on the ground here in Texas.
17:10:34 [talli]
and pigs flying in hell
17:11:30 [denshi]
* denshi processes a mixed metaphor, generates a signal 11, and dumps core.
17:11:53 [davb]
* davb tests new kernel
17:11:55 [talli]
ugh. if you're dumping core, you may want to see a doctor
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17:11:58 [talli]
docwolf? vinod?
17:12:01 [denshi]
anyway, I'm tired of looking at talli @ 33kbps. So I'm gone.
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17:16:41 [davb]
yeah!
17:16:46 [davb]
everything seems to work except sound.
17:19:52 [talli]
you know, for all of the things i've said about linux, the FSF and RMS really have done something totally amazing with the a free OS
17:20:00 [talli]
the kernel, IMO, is the least impressive thing
17:20:13 [talli]
all of the GNU utils are totally incredible, like gcc and glibc
17:21:10 [davb]
true
17:21:46 [talli]
all of the OSS kernels out there require them. that's pretty impressive
17:22:02 [davb]
right.
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17:43:28 [davb]
sound works
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19:56:46 [davb]
http://orgwis.gmd.de/~bscw/papers/boston-95/BOSTON.html
19:56:46 [chump]
D: http://orgwis.gmd.de/~bscw/papers/boston-95/BOSTON.html from davb
19:57:08 [davb]
D:|Supporting Collaborative Information Sharing with the World Wide Web:The BSCW Shared Workspace System
19:57:08 [chump]
titled item D
19:57:36 [davb]
D:[BCWS|http://orgwis.gmd.de/projects/BSCW/]
19:57:36 [chump]
commented item D
20:01:34 [davb]
http://wiley.ed.usu.edu/docs/ososs.pdf
20:01:34 [chump]
E: http://wiley.ed.usu.edu/docs/ososs.pdf from davb
20:01:52 [davb]
E:|Online self-organizing social systems: The decentralized future of online learning [pdf]
20:01:52 [chump]
titled item E
20:04:41 [davb]
BLURB: Look at [Coversant|http://www.free-conversant.com], they have email to bboard down!
20:04:41 [chump]
F: Look at [Coversant|http://www.free-conversant.com], they have email to bboard down! from davb
20:05:02 [davb]
F: Maybe even looking at the URLs, or email headers will give us some hints
20:05:02 [chump]
commented item F
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http://www.aiga.org/content.cfm?CategoryID=38
20:42:04 [chump]
G: http://www.aiga.org/content.cfm?CategoryID=38 from davb
20:42:15 [davb]
G:| AIGA Symbols and Signs
20:42:15 [chump]
titled item G
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20:45:36 [davb]
hi rbm, markd2
20:46:19 [davb]
http://www.linesandsplines.com/
20:46:19 [chump]
H: http://www.linesandsplines.com/ from davb
20:46:32 [davb]
H:| Lines and Splines : Typography Weblog
20:46:33 [chump]
titled item H
20:46:44 [davb]
one of these days I will get the chump links into the database...
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http://www.provenanceunknown.com/edit/style.html
20:47:05 [chump]
I: http://www.provenanceunknown.com/edit/style.html from davb
20:47:13 [davb]
I:|Web Copy Style Guide
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titled item I
20:53:05 [markd2]
http://www.wplug.org/~evand/chick/
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J: http://www.wplug.org/~evand/chick/ from markd2
20:53:24 [markd2]
The Little OS. Religion for the Mac faithful.
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J:| The Little OS. Religion for hte Mac faithful
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titled item J
20:56:15 [rbm]
hey davb, markd2
20:56:24 [rbm]
* rbm flinches at the mention of splines
21:02:28 [markd2]
seems like old splines
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21:07:42 [talli]
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21:07:49 [talli]
hey guys
21:08:07 [rbm]
hey talli
21:08:59 [rbm]
@#?$?!@#$?!?!?
21:09:01 [rbm]
??
21:10:15 [rbm]
I'm bedind on openacs posts
21:10:31 [talli]
he posted this morning
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and don followed up on it
21:10:49 [rbm]
* rbm goes to catch up
21:11:26 [hazmat]
interesting
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* rbm finishes catching up
21:32:23 [rbm]
whew! That was a lot of mail
21:32:35 [rbm]
argh, my fingers are feezing
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freezing even
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21:33:07 [rbm]
paje: insult winter
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winter is nothing but a common-kissing bag of unmuzzled pods.
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21:33:54 [rbm]
Too bad neophytos is leaving.
21:34:02 [markd2]
leaving?
21:34:28 [rbm]
markd2: Yeah, he posted to the bboards this morning
21:35:01 [markd2]
:-(
21:37:58 [rbm]
anybody that does docbook around/
21:38:03 [rbm]
s,/,?,
21:38:38 [davb]
time to get the pizza, bbiab
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22:09:32 [rbm]
vinod! Just th man I was looking for.
22:09:40 [vinod]
hey rbm!
22:09:44 [vinod]
how goes it?
22:09:57 [rbm]
vinod: making the final changes into the docs. Almost done.
22:10:03 [vinod]
excellent
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22:10:27 [rbm]
vinod: I added a variable to the top index.xml that creates a "version" variable, so that you can do "&version;" anywhere and have it replaced with our current version.
22:10:39 [vinod]
nice!
22:11:45 [rbm]
I looked at what the PG guys did, and copied it. I hope it works :)
22:11:57 [rbm]
been typing M-x query-replace a lot :)
22:12:02 [vinod]
haha
22:12:02 [rbm]
s/typing/doing/
22:12:25 [vinod]
brb - gotta get my laundry
22:12:35 [rbm]
vinod: BTW, what do I need to change in my debian setup to use your modified .xsl?
22:12:41 [rbm]
(with the logo and all)
22:18:32 [chrismj]
new question: why does http://yourdomain.com show up all over the place, even though I've changed SystemURL in acs-kernel?
22:19:42 [chrismj]
I've even gone through the code and done a database dump, and indeed, there is http://yourdomain.com stuck in a table called acm_parameter_values, but when I go to acm admin and look at parameters, there is no URL to change in the list of parameters!
22:20:03 [davb]
chrismj: check your AOLserver config file.
22:20:34 [davb]
bbl eating
22:20:47 [chrismj]
oh, one more thing: when I startup nsd, I get "Caching SystemURL for 151 to http://yourdomain.com
22:24:47 [vinod]
rbm: i don't think you need to change anything, as long as you have docbook-xsl installed
22:24:53 [vinod]
one thing
22:25:45 [vinod]
i just looked at my openacs.xsl file and it does an <xsl:import> of a local URI. we should probably change that at some point to a HTTP URI
22:26:40 [vinod]
so right now, it requires that you have all the docbook xsl files on your machine (and in the exact location specified), which shouldn't be a problem since we both use debian
22:28:31 [chrismj]
how can I prevent AOLServer from caching this incorrect SystemURL--I think it's getting it from a bogus database entry, which I don't understand why it's in there in the first place
22:28:48 [chrismj]
because I can't seem to modify the bogus database entry
22:29:00 [rbm]
vinod: let's change that now then.
22:30:29 [chrismj]
s/acm_parameter_values/apm_parameter_values/
22:33:44 [rbm]
hmm, can't find the url though
22:36:22 [vinod]
rbm: yeah, me neither. aD had their own repository that they pointed to. i'm not sure if there's a public one or not
22:37:02 [vinod]
chrismj: the caching shouldn't be a problem. whenever you update the value, the cached value should be thrown out. the question is why the update doesn't stick.
22:39:39 [chrismj]
vinod, the update sticks: in another table. but it's seemingly hard-coded in this apm_parameter_values table, and in looking through the code, I can't even figure out how/why AOLServer tries to cache it from that table, because the rest of the code uses the table that clearly shows my updated URL
22:42:18 [chrismj]
e.g. I load /pvt/home for my user, and it shows the URL as http://yourdomain.com ; now, the source of that page is pulling that from ad_url, so I try to figure out where ad_url could have been set using a value from apm_parameter_values by grepping all files for both terms.
22:44:11 [chrismj]
I get the intersection occurring in /packages/acs-tcl/tcl/defs-procs.tcl
22:44:23 [chrismj]
looking at that file, I find ad_url defined as
22:44:39 [chrismj]
proc ad_url{} {
22:45:05 [chrismj]
return [ad_parameter -package_id [ad_acs_kernel_id] SystemURL]
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}
22:45:33 [vinod]
weird. i just changed my SystemURL. apm_parameter_values got updated appropriately and /pvt/home shows the new url
22:45:57 [chrismj]
really! I got CVS of oacs earlier this week.
22:46:22 [vinod]
i don't think anything has been changed recently, either...hmmm
22:46:32 [chrismj]
maybe it's a little bug in mine? I don't really think it could be. that's why I bring up the AOLServer message: "Caching SystemURL" upon startup
22:47:11 [vinod]
but it gets that value from apm_parameter_values. so the bug is not the caching, but the fact that yourdomain.com is still in apm_parameter_values
22:47:32 [chrismj]
right--indeed, a new pg_dump shows the value yourdomain.com unchanged in apm_parameter_values
22:47:55 [vinod]
chrismj: how did you change SystemURL? via the site-map?
22:47:56 [chrismj]
I know that after changing SystemURL in acs-kernel I have to write out the xml file...
22:48:06 [chrismj]
via acs-kernel parameters
22:48:09 [davb]
chrismj: site-map, scroll down ACS Kernel parameters
22:48:21 [vinod]
chrismj: you mean in the package-manager?
22:48:21 [davb]
then go to system information
22:48:47 [chrismj]
will do in a sec...
22:48:49 [davb]
thre are alot of parameters for those packages that are not mounted at the site map there.
22:48:58 [vinod]
a-HA
22:49:10 [davb]
mine still says http://yourdomain.com
22:49:20 [davb]
I think you have to explicitly set it there.
22:49:24 [vinod]
chrismj: i think you probably changed the param in the package manager. so you only changed the 'default' value, not the actual value
22:49:26 [chrismj]
righteo--and it says that in emails sent out when you change the pasword, etc.
22:49:42 [chrismj]
ok--that's helpful
22:49:58 [davb]
probably a bug in the setup page, you are supposed to change it on that last screen.
22:49:58 [chrismj]
look in site-map?
22:50:01 [vinod]
it's not a very clear interface
22:50:09 [vinod]
go to /admin/site-map
22:50:12 [davb]
on the site map page, underneath the actual site map.
22:50:55 [chrismj]
got it, on site map page, following acs-kernel link. cool!
22:51:44 [davb]
cool.Mozilla has tab-completion in the URL location bar!
22:52:13 [chrismj]
thanks!! but note, this is wildly confusing--two ways to seemingly set the same parameter, but no clear way to find the other if you've changed one.
22:52:41 [chrismj]
thanks again, all. Is there a bug tracking system I could enter a note about this "feature" that I have wrestled with?
22:52:45 [vinod]
you're right. the admin interface is incomplete and confusing
22:53:00 [vinod]
http://openacs.org/sdm
22:53:00 [chump]
K: http://openacs.org/sdm from vinod
22:53:12 [chrismj]
will try
22:53:18 [vinod]
K:| OpenACS Software Development Manager
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titled item K
22:53:42 [vinod]
K: report bugs and assign them to davb
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commented item K
22:54:07 [davb]
aigh!
22:54:13 [talli]
davb has bugs?
22:54:18 [davb]
shhhhh!
22:55:49 [davb]
should I post to the bboard that my site is running OpenACS 4 early?
22:56:10 [vinod]
yeah!
22:56:25 [vinod]
have you set up comments or bboard yet?
22:56:30 [davb]
then people can check out search
22:57:27 [vinod]
hmmm.. how come the search-results page doesn't highlight the search term in the snippet. didn't it used to do that?
22:57:33 [davb]
comments has a big reported by neophytos that it eats comments after 24 hours.
22:57:38 [davb]
it should.
22:57:52 [davb]
it only shows the first 200 chars or so. if the snippet isn't in there it doesn't show.
22:58:00 [vinod]
ouch! about the gc bug
22:58:08 [davb]
I want to check it out.
22:59:15 [davb]
I made a comment and will check it tomorrow...
23:00:50 [davb]
general comments uses acs_message?
23:00:59 [vinod]
yeah
23:01:06 [davb]
it is so small, I can't imagine where a bug could be.
23:01:17 [davb]
I think neophytos was right. he wanted to rewrite it.
23:01:56 [vinod]
i've wanted to rewrite every package that i've ported so far (except maybe notes)
23:01:57 [davb]
argh, I can't volunteer for that too :)
23:01:59 [vinod]
no... even notes
23:01:59 [davb]
heh
23:02:05 [davb]
that is only one table!
23:02:11 [vinod]
haha
23:02:51 [davb]
I really want to get the category stuff working.
23:03:03 [vinod]
acs-messaging, download, and ticket-tracker all use the CR inappropriately (they subtype content-item instead of content-revision)
23:03:08 [davb]
I can't see anywhere _why_ the comments would disapper.
23:03:13 [davb]
that is wacky
23:03:17 [davb]
ick,
23:03:21 [davb]
that breaks search.
23:03:24 [davb]
and everything!
23:03:25 [vinod]
exactly
23:03:41 [davb]
even _I_ know how to use the CR.
23:03:50 [vinod]
i was trying to build an sdm and kept getting so frustrated because it's impossible to use download and ticket-tracker as a foundation
23:03:57 [davb]
right.
23:04:01 [davb]
too bad.
23:04:08 [davb]
first rewrite ticket-tracker.
23:04:11 [vinod]
i actually rewrote download to do things right
23:04:21 [davb]
Psychephylax: is probably lucky he didn't use ticket tracker.
23:04:33 [vinod]
heh
23:04:39 [talli]
what about new-ticket?
23:04:44 [davb]
ok. I will start with general comments. should be easy.
23:04:56 [vinod]
new-ticket is a 3.x module - i haven't looked at it
23:04:58 [davb]
I think ticket-tracker is the best one of the bunch....
23:05:10 [talli]
ah, ok
23:05:11 [davb]
is does use workflow though. which is correct.
23:05:31 [vinod]
right
23:05:43 [davb]
first I will read the requirements doc. I can't imagine they spent more then a few hours working on it the way it looks.
23:13:43 [davb]
darn.
23:14:32 [davb]
I am trying to get the context bar to derive from the URL, even on a missign page, so if I do www.thedesignexperience.org/sectionname/missingpage the context bar says Home->Section instead of Home
23:15:51 [davb]
I wonder if ANYONE like the Workspace link in the context_bar
23:17:03 [vinod]
not me - i'd rather it just be a breadcrumb trail
23:17:25 [davb]
that is another new feature :)
23:18:10 [davb]
ETP is screwing up and not giving me the correct erro page when I request a missing file.
23:18:17 [vinod]
have you got 404's working? (I suppose i could just check :-) )
23:18:29 [davb]
yes.
23:18:35 [davb]
except under ETP instances
23:18:41 [davb]
or at least the weblog one
23:19:09 [vinod]
hmm.. i can't even get them to work. did you change any openacs code? or just change the nsd.tcl file
23:19:21 [davb]
vinod: no I cheated.
23:19:37 [davb]
you can just change the tcl file though. but if you use the change I made, you can template it!
23:20:20 [vinod]
yeah. i've seen bart and neophytos discussing it on the bboard. is that the change you made?
23:20:42 [davb]
yep!
23:20:50 [davb]
of course, it is not working all the way :)
23:20:52 [vinod]
the problem is, i can't even get 404 to redirect to /global/not-found.html
23:21:09 [vinod]
i'm getting the same error that henry is: http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=00048m&topic_id=12&topic=OpenACS%204%2e0%20Design
23:21:16 [davb]
hmmm.
23:21:28 [davb]
what is in your tcl config file?
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ns_param NotFoundResponse /global/file-not-found.tcl
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ns_section ns/server/${server}/redirects
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ns_param 404 "/global/file-not-found.html"
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ns_param 403 "/global/forbidden.html"
23:21:52 [davb]
ah.
23:21:59 [davb]
I use that, that I posted
23:22:04 [vinod]
hmmm... let me try that
23:22:26 [vinod]
is that under ns/server/.../redirects ?
23:22:35 [davb]
ns/server/parameters I think
23:22:48 [davb]
ns/server/servername actually
23:23:04 [davb]
these too, but I didn't set them
23:23:06 [davb]
ns_param NotFoundResponse /global/file-not-found.tcl
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ns_param ServerBusyResponse /global/busy.html
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ns_param ServerInternalErrorResponse /global/error.html
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ns_param ForbiddenResponse /global/forbidden.html
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ns_param UnauthorizedResponse /global/unauthorized.html
23:23:24 [davb]
which is probably why I am getting that error.
23:23:33 [vinod]
d'oh! i already had those, but it still isn't working
23:23:51 [vinod]
i wonder if having both the /redirects and the named ones causes problems
23:25:01 [davb]
maybe.
23:25:14 [davb]
that won't work without the change neophytos suggested.
23:25:48 [davb]
weird.
23:26:05 [davb]
it must be going to the 404 page or something. I can't get to the notfound page.
23:26:53 [davb]
aha. etp has ns_returnnotfound hard coded in.
23:27:03 [davb]
looks like we need an OpenACS proc to handle error pages.
23:28:50 [davb]
weird.
23:29:13 [rbm]
hmmm. my &version; trick is not working
23:29:30 [rbm]
Probably some SGML<->XML difference/annoyance
23:29:42 [vinod]
rbm: really? I thought that would work
23:29:57 [rbm]
vinod: me too. I'm investigating why it didn't.
23:30:13 [rbm]
I just played bubble bobble over the network with a friend. That was awesome!
23:30:56 [vinod]
bubble bobble?
23:30:59 [talli]
awesome? sounds gross.
23:31:21 [rbm]
vinod: did you never play bubble bobble in arcade machines? It's a classic arcade game.
23:31:22 [chrismj]
davb: just looking around the weblog pages, and it seems that the link from the main weblog page to yesterday's page isn't working...
23:32:01 [davb]
ok. I'll look at it. thanks!
23:32:21 [vinod]
rbm: wow - don't remember that one. and i was an arcade geek
23:32:36 [rbm]
vinod: I have the rom, do you have mame installed? :-)
23:32:46 [rbm]
You'll love it if you like arcade games.
23:33:07 [rbm]
I dislike most of today's games. They focus completely on graphics and the games are not really fun.
23:33:11 [markd2]
yeah
23:33:14 [vinod]
what's mame again?
23:33:19 [rbm]
bubble bobble
23:33:25 [rbm]
wait, name or mame?
23:33:28 [markd2]
although Baldur's gate is a nice blalance for me
23:33:47 [rbm]
vinod: I built a newer version of mame with network play support, and put it on debian packages. Want it?
23:34:45 [vinod]
sure. i don't play games much anymore. i think i burned myself out as a kid. now, i like reading books (weird, huh?)
23:35:06 [talli]
reading?
23:35:15 [rbm]
vinod: I love books. I got the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy for my b-day
23:35:21 [davb]
oops: [02/Mar/2002:18:36:35][10930.5125][-conn1-] Error: return: failed to redirect '404': exceeded recursion limit of 3
23:35:30 [vinod]
davb: that's what i've been getting
23:35:40 [davb]
I only get it with the ETP pages...
23:35:49 [vinod]
talli: did i say reading? i meant to say drinking alcohol
23:35:54 [davb]
if I specify a nonexistent page, of course
23:35:57 [talli]
ah. alcohol.
23:36:03 [talli]
* talli drools
23:36:07 [vinod]
haha
23:36:28 [vinod]
davb: right. i think ns_returnnotfound doesn't work as it should (or maybe the RP is messing it up?)
23:36:31 [rbm]
vinod: http://www.brasileiro.net/roberto/bin
23:36:36 [davb]
I forgot the etp index.vuh does not handle missing pages. neither does the templates.
23:36:52 [davb]
well I though its turned off in my RP :)
23:37:28 [rbm]
BTW, if somebody wants a copy of SQLWork built with the Oracle 8.1.7 libs, I have that in the same dir. Also an .iso of the Linuxcare rescue cd.
23:38:11 [davb]
aha!
23:38:18 [davb]
etp-procs.tcl us still using it.
23:39:09 [davb]
I think we need rp_notfound rp_othererror etc.. procs so we can abstract out the error page serving.
23:39:26 [davb]
ns_returnnotfound is called by a couple other packages, mostly CMS.
23:39:48 [davb]
* davb loves CVS
23:40:11 [davb]
I am developing on a local CVS repository on my desktop and updating to the server.
23:40:59 [talli]
the subversion guys are making good progress on their app
23:41:43 [vinod]
davb: cool! you're on your way to becoming a markd2 :-)
23:41:51 [davb]
cool. I am coverted to the version-control faith, I am not tied to CVS as such.
23:41:52 [davb]
heh
23:43:01 [davb]
wohoo!
23:43:11 [davb]
the context bar for the error page works.
23:44:50 [davb]
I just put set context_bar [ad_context_bar ""] in the master template for the 404 page.
23:44:51 [rbm]
vinod: looks like I got the entity version to load, but am getting other errors now.
23:45:25 [davb]
darn.
23:45:46 [vinod]
rbm: what errors?
23:45:54 [davb]
i have a www/openacs directory and a package mounted at openacs, the 404 error goes to the directory and the context bar doesn't work :(
23:46:14 [rbm]
vinod: hang on
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oops, wrong button
23:48:12 [rbm]
* rbm hands davb some epic4
23:48:40 [davb]
sorry, I like my windows. I am using nautilus to browse directories full of picutres! :)
23:49:46 [rbm]
vinod: Weird. Do you have a working-with-xml.xml under developers-guide ?
23:50:56 [vinod]
no, i took that out. it's basically talking about how aD is moving all xml work to oracle
23:51:06 [vinod]
are there still references to it?
23:51:50 [rbm]
my index.xml seems to think so.
23:52:13 [rbm]
When did you remove that reference?
23:52:45 [vinod]
a while ago. when i did the first html generation
23:53:05 [rbm]
hmmm
23:53:08 [vinod]
yeah, they are still in index.xml - not sure how i missed that
23:53:19 [vinod]
they can be taken out
23:53:34 [vinod]
line 37 and line 163
23:53:53 [rbm]
vinod: I grabbed a new index.xml and the line is still there: <!ENTITY working-with-xml SYSTEM "developers-guide/working-with-xml.xml">
23:54:09 [rbm]
I'll commit a new version.
23:54:11 [vinod]
right. mine too. that's a mistake on my part.
23:55:15 [vinod]
you'll also need to delete the &working-with-xml; later in the file
23:57:36 [rbm]
did that
23:59:08 [rbm]
okay, it's building the html now.
23:59:21 [rbm]
* rbm now looks for sect1's without xreflabels. grrrr!!