IRC log of openacs on 2002-03-01

Timestamps are in UTC.

00:00:09 [talli]

mod_aolserver is basically a cheap imitation of AOLserver that plugs into apache

00:00:12 [talli]

denshi's right

00:00:32 [denshi]

but when apache2 reaches a point on non-suckitude, then the network effects of popularity become paramount.

00:00:38 [rafa]

is Apache2 solving those issues for you?

00:00:44 [talli]

not yet

00:01:06 [talli]

what the hell is apache2? is it a java server? is it a houseboat?

00:01:08 [rafa]

where do you want OACS to be in a year from now?

00:01:30 [denshi]

apache2 right now has the ability to act just like aolserver. After you add some stuff to it. But, for instance, apache2 is threaded, so it isn't hamstrung like apache1.

00:01:43 [denshi]

so, yes, apache2 right now could host oacs4 correctly.

00:01:57 [talli]

denshi, how hard is it to build the DB integration into apache2?

00:02:06 [denshi]

but part of the fun of aolserver is that the api is a small set of operations focused around what we need -- db pools, cache, adp, etc.

00:02:21 [denshi]

it's a very small api, so it's easy to work with.

00:02:28 [denshi]

apache2 right now is a monster.

00:02:47 [talli]

denshi, you've worked with tux, right?

00:02:52 [denshi]

everyone who ever wrote something for apache1 is dicking with it.

00:03:02 [denshi]

talli: 1) easy, 2) yes.

00:03:24 [talli]

well, for 1, is it worth looking into and for 2, how is that server?

00:04:09 [denshi]

but I predict that a year or so after apache2 hits release, they'll start cutting things back. I base this opinion on the apache group's previous record of releasing increasingly smaller and tighter 1.3.x versions.

00:04:29 [denshi]

on that count, the apache team is really cool.

00:05:25 [talli]

so what would it take to build make apache2 a reasonable alternative to aolserver?

00:05:34 [denshi]

talli: 1) just look at the above. yes, it's worth looking into, but it's not really worth it until the morass clears.

00:05:56 [talli]

ah, so the morass is so bad right now that you'd be firing at a moving target?

00:06:25 [talli]

what do you think of tux?

00:06:30 [denshi]

very much so. and my point on api size is a very real concern. I think the first wave of apache2 users and admins will go to bed weeping after trying to tune it.

00:06:37 [denshi]

tux is hella cool.

00:06:52 [talli]

it was written by a god like kernel hacker, ingo molnar, right?

00:06:54 [denshi]

and the latest 2.4 stable kernels just included that branch -- woo!

00:07:09 [denshi]

yup. mingo rules.

00:08:01 [denshi]

with tux, I quadrupled my simple file throughput over aolserver3.2.

00:08:15 [denshi]

and it's been a while since I did that.

00:08:15 [markd2]

I'm not surprised

00:08:25 [talli]

whoa

00:08:32 [markd2]

a simple select loop server should beat aolserver X in simple file transfer

00:08:52 [denshi]

the tux xml-rpc is reaching release, too.

00:08:58 [denshi]

markd2 is right.

00:10:00 [denshi]

but it's still cool. I should dust off my notes and finish tying nsd to use tux as a proxy. caching semi-dynamic pages in tux would be rather sweet.

00:11:29 [denshi]

I'm reading comp.databases.theory ATM, and watching Joe Celko rip another pathetic java nerd a new hole. This is almost a sport.

00:11:56 [talli]

so could tux be used as a front end to aolserver reasonably easily?

00:11:58 [rbm]

So it would be better to write a mod_fastcgi driver for AOLserver so it can run behind Apache2 or port OpenACS to apache2?

00:12:10 [rbm]

* rbm has no clue about apache2 but he has heard about the API mess

00:12:23 [rbm]

Don't they also have a mix of threads/processes ?

00:12:25 [denshi]

i have a question about that, rbm.

00:12:35 [talli]

like, rather than using apache + fastcgi to get aolserver to use things like XML-RPC and webdav, does tux have some of those things and would it be easier to link the two servers?

00:12:46 [denshi]

do we know anyone who runs the apache, fastcgi, aolserver combo?

00:12:58 [talli]

no, because fastcgi hasn't been built for aolserver

00:13:09 [rbm]

denshi: I think nobody so far. Petra Paler was the one wanting to do the fastcgi thingy

00:13:35 [talli]

ok, i gotta go to dinner

00:13:42 [denshi]

i have a question about petru -- who is this guy? He's some kind of coding monster, from what I have seen.

00:13:43 [talli]

see you guys tomorrow

00:13:47 [denshi]

by talli.

00:13:48 [rbm]

talli: I don't know how apache+fastcgi would give AOLserver webdav or xml-rpc

00:14:11 [talli]

rbm: just by letting apache handle the xml-rpc and webdav interfaces

00:14:14 [rbm]

denshi: He's around. He looks like a good programmer, though I haven't seen much of his code.

00:14:22 [rbm]

talli: Hmm, okay.

00:14:49 [rbm]

* rbm is cooking some pressure-cooked meat. Yum!

00:15:02 [talli]

ok, i gotta go. have a good night!

00:15:05 [denshi]

bye.

00:15:11 [rafa]

bye

00:15:17 [denshi]

I like talli's idea.

00:15:31 [rafa]

rbm: do we have any new docs on how to set up users/groups

00:15:40 [talli]

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00:15:43 [denshi]

bye guys.

00:16:05 [rbm]

rafa: Hmm, not that I know of.

00:16:14 [denshi]

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00:16:34 [rbm]

rafa: have you read "ACS 4 Permissions Tediously Explained"?

00:16:36 [rafa]

I asked in the bboard b'cause some peole (a lot) were kind of lost with the UI for groups

00:16:58 [rafa]

rbm: no, don't thinks so

00:17:15 [rbm]

rafa: Check new-file-storage on openacs.org. It's there.

00:17:21 [rbm]

It's mandatory reading.

00:17:31 [rbm]

brb. checking f00d

00:19:48 [rafa]

rbm: i'll have a look at it, but is more a developers guide. I am not writing a package

00:19:57 [rbm]

ah

00:20:05 [rafa]

my problems are more basic :-(

00:20:26 [rafa]

I am tryingto add users to a group. Users and already inthe system

00:20:45 [rafa]

but they don't show up in "add memebreship relation"

00:21:07 [rafa]

you know what I am talking about

00:21:09 [rafa]

?

00:21:46 [rafa]

if you try to add them through user Profile you get an error

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00:35:29 [rafa]

hi davb

00:57:08 [davb]

hi rafa

00:58:24 [davb]

wow, my aolserver lgo is 143mb

01:01:57 [davb]

uhoh. favicon.ico is screwing up the rp

01:03:06 [davb]

oops. forgot load.sql

01:03:17 [davb]

hmmm I installed it on the db before I dumped it.

01:04:55 [davb]

ah. the relkov stuff is missing from my pg, I wonder why

01:19:57 [davb]

aha. search is fixed!

01:21:53 [k2pts]

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01:22:04 [k2pts]

paje: k2pts?

01:22:04 [paje]

you are Neophytos Demetriou, one of the minds behind OpenACS-Search and other nifty stuff.

01:22:08 [k2pts]

:)

01:22:18 [k2pts]

who changed blah, blah, blah?

01:22:38 [k2pts]

paje: no, k2pts is blah, blah, blah, blah :)

01:22:38 [paje]

...but k2pts is Neophytos Demetriou, one of the minds behind OpenACS-Search and other nifty stuff....

01:22:59 [k2pts]

paje: paje?

01:22:59 [paje]

rumour has it i am the medicine man and oracle in Amazonian tribes. I'm also a recipient of church of mike's "full deal" package

01:23:16 [k2pts]

paje: hazmat?

01:23:16 [paje]

i heard hazmat was somebody that drinks often from the river lethe

01:23:26 [k2pts]

paje: docwolf?

01:23:26 [paje]

k2pts: i haven't a clue

01:23:37 [markd2]

paje: psychephylax?

01:23:37 [k2pts]

paje: markd2?

01:23:37 [paje]

i haven't a clue, k2pts

01:23:37 [paje]

markd2: wish i knew

01:23:44 [markd2]

markd2 is a dork

01:23:46 [davb]

hi k2pts!

01:23:46 [markd2]

markd2?

01:23:49 [k2pts]

hey dave

01:23:56 [k2pts]

hey markd2

01:24:13 [markd2]

k2d2

01:24:21 [k2pts]

:) hey

01:24:29 [davb]

http://www.thedesignexperience.org/search/

01:24:29 [chump]

A: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/search/ from davb

01:24:39 [davb]

A:| Search the chump, now live

01:24:39 [chump]

titled item A

01:26:16 [hazmat]

lethe, is the greek river the dead drink from to forget their lives before they go to hades.

01:26:47 [k2pts]

hazmat: hi, I miss the greek word for that

01:28:24 [k2pts]

cancel that, it is the greek word. I was reading it wrong

01:29:27 [davb]

now I just need to turn on RSS support for the weblog.

01:29:30 [davb]

and redesign ETP

01:29:33 [k2pts]

in Greek, truth is written as a-lethia (something that's not going to be forgotten)

01:30:12 [k2pts]

davb: I was going to write rss support (for using feeds from other sites but things kept me busy all the time)

01:30:42 [davb]

no problem. I might get around to it. I need it for the top-secret project.

01:30:59 [k2pts]

you do? that's great... :)

01:31:40 [k2pts]

in that case, I can forward you some stylesheets that I have found online plus the table definition for the channels...

01:31:53 [davb]

sure.

01:31:57 [davb]

thanks.

01:32:09 [k2pts]

np, thank you :)

01:32:43 [davb]

k2pts: I found a bug in acs-service-contract. I submitted a patch but there is no acs-sc package in the sdm.

01:35:55 [k2pts]

I have seen the patch...it doesn't check the contract_name when deleting, right?

01:36:13 [k2pts]

davb: email sent

01:36:24 [davb]

right, also the signature was wrong (varchar,varchar) instead of (varchar,varchar,varchar)

01:36:27 [davb]

cool.

01:37:03 [k2pts]

there are some stylesheets from rss 0.9 to 1.0, from 1.0 to xhtml (and text) etc

01:37:36 [k2pts]

you can see a small example in xsl.tcl/.adp

01:37:55 [davb]

nifty.

01:41:41 [k2pts]

have you tried it already? I was catching up with the email alerts

01:41:46 [k2pts]

from the openacs forusm

01:42:03 [davb]

no not yet. I am fixing the screw ups I made when I moved my site over to openacs 4 :)

01:42:12 [k2pts]

ah ok

01:43:18 [k2pts]

davb: the table definition (you 'll need to change objects to acs_objects). I was playing with the tree_sortkey mechanism when I started working on this one...

01:43:27 [davb]

ok.

01:44:42 [davb]

ah, fixed.

01:44:55 [davb]

basically I added a whole bunch of new files, but forgot to cvs add them

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01:46:26 [davb]

k2pts: you are saving entire RSS files and XSLing them to display?

01:47:12 [k2pts]

the table you'll see is for storing metadata about a channel

01:47:16 [davb]

right.

01:47:19 [k2pts]

you'll need another table for the feeds

01:47:46 [davb]

ok. but the plan was to store the xml right in the database?

01:47:52 [k2pts]

the idea is pretty simple but it needs someone to spent some time to implement it

01:48:19 [k2pts]

not necessarily, you can extract the stories and save them in a separate table

01:48:35 [k2pts]

this will allow you to keep "good links", let me explain

01:48:43 [davb]

ok

01:49:32 [k2pts]

for example, you can rate channels (so you have an idea which channels are more interesting) but you could also have ratings on the stories from each channel.

01:49:53 [davb]

aha.

01:49:56 [k2pts]

the stories that are not likely to change

01:50:13 [davb]

this should almost be a different pacakge than the one that collects the RSS feeds...

01:50:14 [k2pts]

I think this was an element introduced in the last version of the RSS specification about that

01:50:23 [k2pts]

yeap

01:50:27 [davb]

ok.

01:50:35 [k2pts]

let me give you some of my thoughts

01:50:56 [k2pts]

it would take me just a few hours to implement something minimal but didn't had the time to get it going

01:51:56 [k2pts]

the interval field is used to specify the refresh rate...this should be done using a scheduled proc...

01:52:38 [k2pts]

if timeLastRefresh - timeLastChange is more than a week, you increase the interval

01:52:48 [k2pts]

interval defaults to '1 hour'

01:53:30 [k2pts]

the rest of the fields in the table are obvious, I think. Let me know if you have any questions about those...

01:53:44 [k2pts]

a minimal ui would be

01:54:32 [k2pts]

something that adds new channels...more sophisticated is to httpget userland's channels (available as an xml file)

01:55:28 [davb]

to provide a list to pick from?

01:55:34 [davb]

good idea.

01:55:46 [k2pts]

exactly

01:55:58 [k2pts]

you might also want to check out syndic8.com

01:56:15 [davb]

right. I think they have a list of available channels.

01:56:19 [hazmat]

sounds cool

01:57:02 [k2pts]

the clumsy approach is to have a tcl proc that provides the feed as a multirow...a better approach is to use a-s-c but leave that for later (there's a reason I'm tellin you to do that for now)

01:57:18 [davb]

ok.

01:57:37 [davb]

Right, I figure it is better to get something working anyway.

01:57:47 [k2pts]

the contract will be used to add new portlets on the new portals package...

01:57:54 [davb]

ah, cool.

01:58:03 [k2pts]

but once you have the basic functionality ready, we could add features together

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01:58:15 [davb]

very good.

01:58:47 [k2pts]

I could put some time on this one late next week (once I write the openfts documentation)

01:58:56 [davb]

k2pts: is the plan to just keep the lastest items from a feed in the database? or archive them?

01:59:01 [k2pts]

but if you have something ready by then it would be extremely helpful

01:59:26 [davb]

I might be able to work on it, but I have a few other things I need to get going before.

01:59:27 [k2pts]

I was going to mention an archived_p for each channel but then again I'm not so sure

01:59:32 [k2pts]

ok

01:59:51 [k2pts]

let me explain why not archived_p

02:01:12 [davb]

http://www.thedesignexperience.org/ircblog

02:01:12 [chump]

B: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/ircblog from davb

02:01:18 [davb]

B: testing chump

02:01:18 [chump]

commented item B

02:02:30 [k2pts]

IIRC, I have not added an archived_p field since the new RSS specification requires that feed providers specify for how long some story will be available...therefore you could archive the stories link (which would happen automagically if a user chooses to bookmark it or if a moderator selects it as a featured item)....some of what I have just mentioned is not openacs functionality, just some ideas I have had about featuring items (think of it a

02:02:30 [k2pts]

s general-features as in general-comments)

02:03:04 [k2pts]

davb: have you created the www/global/notfound.adp file

02:03:05 [davb]

that sounds good.

02:03:17 [davb]

yes. it is just a search box for now.

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02:03:53 [k2pts]

I got a request error

02:04:01 [davb]

hmmm.

02:04:26 [davb]

me too.

02:05:39 [davb]

ok

02:05:48 [k2pts]

i know how to do it

02:07:33 [davb]

weird: Error: GET /favicon.ico

02:07:33 [davb]

while executing

02:07:33 [davb]

"ad_raise notfound"

02:07:33 [davb]

(procedure "rp_serve_abstract_file" line 32)

02:07:33 [davb]

invoked from within

02:07:34 [davb]

"rp_serve_abstract_file [acs_root_dir]/www/global/notfound.adp"

02:08:25 [davb]

oops.

02:08:32 [k2pts]

what's wrong?

02:08:33 [davb]

my fault, I didn't commit the notfound.adp

02:08:40 [k2pts]

:)

02:08:42 [k2pts]

ok

02:09:44 [davb]

much better

02:10:12 [k2pts]

looks good

02:10:23 [k2pts]

wanna a usability tip?

02:10:26 [davb]

sure!

02:10:41 [k2pts]

imho you should include the context bar as well

02:10:55 [davb]

ok good idea.

02:11:22 [davb]

I need to actually build tempaltes for everything except the home page :)

02:11:38 [k2pts]

that way the user knows where he is approx, so he can backtract and search for the item he is looking for

02:12:10 [davb]

so the context bar is built from whatever directory the missing item is in?

02:12:20 [davb]

cool.

02:12:26 [k2pts]

exactly

02:12:55 [davb]

I really want to build an automatic navigation from the sitemap, but its very tricky.

02:13:05 [davb]

not sure.

02:13:19 [k2pts]

also,

02:13:19 [davb]

I don't remember reading it in Don't Make Me Think.

02:14:08 [k2pts]

what would be great (Lars I hope you're reading this) is have something similar to Lars keywords thing but within the context...for example

02:14:40 [k2pts]

www.example.com/forums/that great post about ketchups

02:15:06 [k2pts]

so you could search and provide search results from the forums with keywords "that great post about ketchups"

02:15:16 [davb]

aha. cool.

02:15:22 [k2pts]

note that you only search the forums

02:15:54 [davb]

I was going to put something in the 404 page that looked for a referrer from google etc... and did an automatic search for the search terms.

02:16:21 [davb]

this is the same thing, only simpler, just grab the bad part of the URL and it becomes the search terms.

02:16:34 [k2pts]

that would be cool but I think Google doesn't allow automatic queries

02:17:25 [davb]

What I mean is, I am breaking alot of URLs that google probably previously pointed to :) So if I grab the referrer string, I can parse the search they did at google, and stuff it into openfts.

02:18:34 [k2pts]

sounds great

02:19:44 [davb]

excellent. I got the chump XSL scheduled procs running in openacs 4.

02:19:59 [k2pts]

dave, it's almost 4:30 in the morning here, have to get some sleep :) we talk later...let me know if you make any progress with the rss stuff

02:20:05 [k2pts]

hey that sounds great

02:20:12 [davb]

ok, good night (morning)

02:20:55 [k2pts]

q: you mean: grab chump's rss feeds with a cheduled proc and display?

02:21:26 [davb]

no, chump outputs XML, i convert it to HTML and RSS every 5 mins.

02:21:47 [davb]

I should stuff it int he database :)

02:21:48 [k2pts]

one final note: it's a bit tricky to get 0.9 xsl stylesheets to work for you since you have to transform 0.9->1.0->xhtml

02:22:20 [davb]

ok.

02:22:39 [k2pts]

I tried once and it was a PITA but it should work if you just take your time

02:22:58 [k2pts]

anyway, dave, thanks again and we stay in touch

02:23:04 [k2pts]

bye

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bye

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02:43:23 [rbm]

http://www.brasileiro.net/photodb/photo.tcl?photo_id=73

02:43:23 [chump]

C: http://www.brasileiro.net/photodb/photo.tcl?photo_id=73 from rbm

02:43:32 [rbm]

C:|December Icicles in Utah.

02:43:32 [chump]

titled item C

02:47:09 [rbm]

Do you think this is a photo.net-worthy picture?

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06:43:25 [talilee]

heeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllllllllloooooooooooo? <echo>heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllllllllooooooooooooooo?</echo>

06:56:39 [rbm]

helloooo ooooo oooo oooo ooo

06:56:44 [talilee]

hey rbm

06:56:49 [rbm]

'sup talli?

06:56:50 [talilee]

how are you this eve?

06:56:58 [rbm]

sick. full of homework :(

06:57:03 [talilee]

ugh

06:57:10 [talilee]

you gotta get out of that school thing

06:57:10 [rbm]

But, I'm happy. Gotta be, always!

06:57:12 [talilee]

it's no fun

06:57:27 [talilee]

always? we might not get a long....

06:57:54 [talilee]

what was your homework tonight/

06:57:55 [talilee]

?

06:57:56 [rbm]

talilee: 2 more months for graduation, then 4 months of 'vacation' (my first in 10 years), then back to school.

06:58:13 [talilee]

whoof. where are you going on vacation?

06:58:23 [rbm]

talilee: No where :) I'll stay here

06:58:29 [rbm]

vacation from school :)

06:58:45 [talilee]

:)

06:58:58 [talilee]

masters in cs, i assume, when you get back?

06:59:14 [rbm]

We might go to Vegas since my parents are coming for my graduation. Not sure yet though. Ah, and I'll take them to Lava Hot Springs in Idaho, so I'll travel a little bit.

06:59:29 [talilee]

cool

06:59:50 [rbm]

talilee: I think so. A lot of people want me to do an MBA, but I'm not sure. Another prof in Biology wants me to do a bioinformatics masters with him.

07:00:08 [talilee]

neat

07:01:20 [talilee]

what are you leaning towards?

07:01:24 [talilee]

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07:01:25 [rbm]

I'm not sure I know which direction to explore in my career. It'd be hard to leave bioinformatics if I did that masters, whereas a CS masters is more general.

07:01:36 [talli]

ah, good point

07:02:30 [rbm]

I wish I could go to a better school, but $$ is tough.

07:03:00 [talli]

yeah, that's understandable. but some master's program pay, don't they?

07:03:06 [talli]

i think stanfrod pays for masters

07:03:09 [rbm]

USU does have some interesting projects happening in the CS field though.

07:03:37 [rbm]

talli: I'm sure I could get into a better school with a fellowship, but there's the cost of moving, finding a job to pay for rent, rent, etc. etc.

07:03:42 [rbm]

Schools don't pay for that.

07:04:16 [talli]

ah, good point

07:04:33 [rbm]

Probably the rent of a basement apartment in Stanford is my entire month's salary

07:04:41 [talli]

ugh

07:04:50 [talli]

i think you may be right about that

07:05:16 [talli]

i just got an email about how i can make some money by learning the secrets of the rich

07:05:18 [rbm]

I thought about getting a job so I can make some money, to later go back to school...

07:05:40 [rbm]

A friend of mine is working for HP and they will pay for his masters.

07:05:41 [talli]

i think the secret is to talk about secrets that aren't really secrets since they been SPAMMED EVERYWHERE

07:05:54 [rbm]

However, nobody is hiring international folks, so I'm SOL

07:06:09 [talli]

bummer

07:07:21 [rbm]

I can't go back to Brazil with only an undergrad.

07:07:35 [talli]

is that what you eventually want to do?

07:07:47 [rbm]

I think so.

07:07:54 [talli]

cool

07:08:02 [talli]

are there many CS jobs in brazil?

07:09:29 [rbm]

talli: Not really. I'd probably have to put my own business. Everybody does VB or Delphi in Brazil.

07:09:49 [talli]

do VB or Delphi run on Debian? ;)

07:10:06 [rbm]

Businesses pay an insane amount of taxes in Brazil though. If you pay it all you can't stay in business. It's just impossible.

07:10:23 [rbm]

Kylix does. VB I don't want to get close to.

07:10:42 [talli]

what's kylix?

07:10:48 [rbm]

* rbm is reminded that he has to do his taxes again

07:11:17 [rbm]

kylix is Delphi for Linux. It's free (beer) if you are doing open source software even.

07:11:20 [talli]

* talli is depressed because rbm reminded him he has to do his taxes again

07:11:36 [rbm]

* rbm intercepts talli's tax return on the mail

07:11:46 [talli]

damn. again.

07:12:07 [talli]

btw, i've been speaking with some guys at the FSF about the OACS and nonprofits

07:12:14 [rbm]

I heard that.

07:12:24 [rbm]

I was talking to one guy in #debian-br about .LRN

07:12:41 [rbm]

We really need better documentation and a batter website

07:12:44 [talli]

one of the things they said was that they'd like to try and help get some developer work into the OACS community

07:12:46 [rbm]

s/batter/better

07:13:04 [talli]

like, get someone to build evolution connectivity to OACS

07:13:06 [rbm]

The software is there, and it's great.

07:13:09 [rbm]

talli: OHHHH!

07:13:13 [talli]

yeah

07:13:25 [rbm]

You know what would be cool?

07:13:36 [talli]

my name in lights?

07:13:56 [rbm]

A way to sync OpenACS content with a desktop app. SOAP or XML-RPC or the sorts.

07:14:10 [talli]

their goal is to see some consistency across various groupware apps like PHPgroupware and evolution

07:14:25 [talli]

so DB apps in the free world can all interact reasonably well

07:14:43 [talli]

maybe it's GPL.NET ;)

07:15:02 [talli]

yeah, a way to sync OACS content with a desktop app would be cool

07:15:03 [rbm]

I was looking at this inventory tracker app that a friend wants to build. They'd have a site on the 'net where people could reserve stuff (it's a video game store), and the stores would have desktop apps that would sync with the website every night through dial-up

07:15:16 [talli]

nice.

07:15:30 [talli]

you may want to check with docwolf about inventory apps, though :)

07:15:35 [rbm]

why?

07:18:11 [rbm]

Python is so nice

07:18:18 [talli]

ok, i need to go to bed before i eat anymore

07:18:29 [talli]

yes, a good python web framework would be great

07:18:42 [talli]

and, no hazmat, not zope

07:19:13 [talli]

i've been receiving the daily digest from the webware community, though, and it's not so great

07:19:25 [talli]

at least, not the same quality as OACS

07:19:38 [rbm]

I'm not familiar with webware

07:19:52 [rbm]

Wait, PyWX for AOLserver has a webware adaptor

07:20:01 [talli]

yeah

07:20:07 [rbm]

You could probably tie to AOLserver.... hmmmm, tasty

07:20:13 [talli]

http://webware.sourceforge.net

07:20:13 [chump]

D: http://webware.sourceforge.net from talli

07:20:15 [rbm]

s/AOLserver/OpenACS/

07:20:33 [talli]

D: some crazy thing that docwolf rambles about

07:20:33 [chump]

commented item D

07:20:49 [talli]

yeah, but i don't know how much you'd really want to tie the two

07:20:54 [talli]

or, what you'd do that for

07:21:09 [talli]

ok, i need to go to sleep before i eat anymore

07:21:16 [talli]

talk to you tomorrow

07:21:23 [rbm]

'nite

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17:35:54 [davb]

hello

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17:41:19 [markd2]

hi

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18:14:43 [talilee]

hey k2pts

18:14:47 [k2pts]

hey talilee

18:14:48 [davb]

hi k2pts

18:14:53 [k2pts]

hi davb

18:15:20 [k2pts]

did anyone knew that the general-comments packages is f*cked up

18:15:33 [davb]

no, I haven't tried to use it.

18:15:44 [talilee]

how fucked is it?

18:15:54 [k2pts]

I just realized it today...and I'm bit mad about that...

18:16:02 [k2pts]

too much

18:16:06 [talilee]

how so?

18:16:14 [k2pts]

all comments are deleted

18:16:22 [talilee]

whoops

18:16:25 [k2pts]

after 24 hours...

18:16:27 [davb]

k2pts: what is the status on the new category system?

18:16:29 [davb]

that is bad.

18:16:37 [k2pts]

davb: sorry, no status yet

18:16:40 [davb]

ok :)

18:16:46 [k2pts]

everything is too messy these days

18:17:07 [k2pts]

I feel that I should start rewrite most of the packages...;

18:17:17 [davb]

I might want to take a stab at it and combine with my other keywords work.

18:17:33 [davb]

k2pts: yeah, try to resist the temtation.

18:17:59 [k2pts]

davb: the categorization package is not very difficult...unless you want to store dmoz categories and provide a consistent way to be used through out the system (from other packages)

18:18:13 [davb]

well that is the plan :)

18:18:50 [davb]

that is what I was working on for cr_keywords. (consistent API/UI for the whole system)

18:18:59 [k2pts]

davb: I was running the general-comments package for a small website I did for me and my friends

18:19:09 [k2pts]

but I wonder what else lies hidden ...

18:19:30 [davb]

is it just the postgresql version? or oracle too?

18:19:51 [k2pts]

no one could have realized that on a test machine unless he was running a test instance for more than 24 hours

18:19:54 [davb]

I was just going to add general comments to my web site.

18:20:12 [davb]

right. I usually relaod the data model more often than that.

18:20:13 [k2pts]

I don't know...I was so angry that I didn't even want to check it out...I'm gonna rewrite it

18:21:32 [k2pts]

at least I will know that it was my fault if I mess everything up

18:21:57 [davb]

k2pts: if I create a custom content_type, say etp_page_revision, and another custom type that is a subtype of that, do I need a seperate serach service contract for both? of just the top level one?

18:22:38 [k2pts]

davb: about categorization, I still think we need a general package. I meant to reply to the thread but I'm waiting until things cool a bit...

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18:22:56 [davb]

sure, np.

18:23:58 [k2pts]

it depends on what behavior you want...if you gonna display them (objects from both content types) in the same way...it doesn't matter...but the general guideline is that you need separate implementations for separate content types

18:24:23 [k2pts]

does that make sense?

18:24:35 [davb]

ok, that is what I thought. So custom types for ETP will need to provide a service contract for themselves.

18:24:52 [k2pts]

I think that's the right way to go for it....

18:24:54 [davb]

but we might have some ETP API to make it easier.

18:25:15 [davb]

That is what I did for my weblog.

18:25:33 [k2pts]

davb: ETP is pretty cool but you should really try to keep an instance as a content section...then you need a site-wide for cms

18:25:49 [talilee]

davb and k2pts: luke just posted a solicitation for comments on ETP 2

18:25:53 [k2pts]

an instance of etp is a content section but you still need a separate package to manage those content sections

18:26:10 [k2pts]

talilee: I have seen it, that's why I'm writing these

18:26:19 [k2pts]

IMHO

18:26:24 [davb]

k2pts: yes. I noticed that. I wasn't sure how to handle that on my site. I will be rebuilding it :)

18:26:34 [davb]

k2pts: so one ETP to rule them all?

18:26:46 [k2pts]

also, a content sections should be able to handle user-contributes content

18:27:03 [davb]

that is part of my goals also.

18:27:06 [k2pts]

right

18:27:09 [k2pts]

also, :)

18:27:24 [davb]

I don't think Luke mentioned it. I think the custom admin/UI pages per application can take care of that.

18:27:58 [k2pts]

you need to parameterize the index page for each etp (content section)...that's gonna be used as mounting different page-flows to handle the same content-type in different situations

18:28:14 [davb]

yes, I thought of that.

18:28:37 [davb]

bbiab...

18:28:45 [k2pts]

I can continue but I should get back to rewrite: messaging, general-comments, ...

18:29:04 [k2pts]

I'm thinking to do it using OR postgresql

18:29:14 [k2pts]

any objections?

18:36:46 [k2pts]

davb: news for etp don't work for me. do you have any idea what's wrong?

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18:38:11 [k2pts]

hey vinod

18:38:54 [vinod]

hey k2pts

18:39:04 [vinod]

* vinod waves

18:39:26 [talilee]

helllloooo vinod

18:39:40 [talilee]

just the dude i'm looking for...

18:40:14 [vinod]

oh you must want some other vinod.

18:40:24 [vinod]

i'm new here

18:40:26 [talilee]

i've got this horrible itch in all of the areas in which i perspire alot

18:40:39 [talilee]

i was wondering if i could send you some snapshots of the rash?

18:40:47 [talilee]

hint hint

18:41:10 [vinod]

haha - yup, i think that might be enough to make me quit medicine

18:41:44 [talilee]

good!

18:41:51 [talilee]

then you can spend allllll day in this channel

18:41:53 [talilee]

with me

18:42:13 [vinod]

unless you still have that itch...

18:42:42 [vinod]

davb: congrats on the oacs4 migration!

18:51:10 [talilee]

so is anyone going to subscribe to slashdot?

18:51:20 [vinod]

subscribe?

18:51:50 [talilee]

yeah, they are implementing a subscription system.

18:52:10 [vinod]

wow - 1224 comments on that article

18:52:18 [talilee]

yeah, and 64 over 4

18:55:28 [davb]

k2pts: It might be conflicting with the news content_type from the news package. do you have that installed? otherwise I think it might be a date query used to generate one of the attributes...

18:55:33 [k2pts]

no

18:55:50 [k2pts]

what I have to do?

18:55:52 [davb]

bbiab again... demo of new access database application

18:56:16 [davb]

k2pts: I think the answer is in the bboards.

18:56:58 [vinod]

talli: i don't think i read slashdot enough to make it worthwhile

19:11:25 [k2pts]

davb: i have searched the bboard but I can't find the right thread...there are many threads but they are old...I remember reading something recently...Could you point me to the right direction?

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20:01:39 [talli]

hey denshi

20:01:56 [denshi]

hey talli. has the stalking paid off?

20:02:07 [talli]

not yet. haven't chased anymore

20:02:10 [talli]

will do so this weekend

20:02:55 [denshi]

what about that actress from the train?

20:03:17 [denshi]

rbm, you here?

20:03:30 [talli]

yeah, that's the one i need to do a little more work on

20:03:55 [loggy]

* loggy is already logging

20:04:47 [talli]

denshi, how complete is TUX right now? does it have webdav, soap and xml-rpc interfaces yet?

20:05:34 [denshi]

think through your question a little bit more.

20:05:55 [talli]

uhmm....

20:06:04 [denshi]

TUX is a kernel implementation for transfer protocols, like HTTP and FTP.

20:06:12 [talli]

denshi, are you truly as all knowing and powerful as they say?

20:06:20 [talli]

ah, i thought tux was a webserver

20:06:46 [denshi]

I am not Denshi the Grey, whom once you knew. I am Denshi the White, who has returned from death.

20:07:01 [denshi]

You have no color, and I cast you from our order and the council.

20:07:29 [denshi]

anyway...

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20:08:09 [denshi]

xml-rpc and soap are semantically quite similar to the above -- they are different forms of messaging, and yes, there are tux implementations of such.

20:08:37 [talli]

sooo... tux could be used as a front end for aolserver in order to have these implementations?

20:09:01 [denshi]

webdav is a larger beast, which combines a few enhancement to the above transfer methods with a big package of state handling (about locks, mu controls, etc).

20:10:38 [denshi]

so you could use TUX or another proxy server to talk, eg, the webdav version of HTTP and transmute it to something aolserver users could handle, but you would also need to build the stateful functionality in your nsd application.

20:10:44 [denshi]

that is at least my theory.

20:11:01 [talli]

ok, well forget about webdav for a second

20:11:07 [talli]

what about soap and xml-rpc

20:11:39 [denshi]

I'm also being conservative -- you *can* use TUX as a full-fledged webserver with dynamic content, for instance there are some screwballs building php into tux. But php in the kernel???? *shudder*

20:11:58 [denshi]

xml-rpc? no prob. Let me check my mail spool.

20:12:15 [talli]

ugh

20:12:30 [talli]

i don't want tux to do that kind of screwy thing, like php in the kernel

20:13:03 [talli]

but if one used tux to handle things like soap and xml-rpc and pass the calls to aolserver, than would be a pretty nice solutoin, at least it sounds cool

20:15:05 [denshi]

yeah, looks like tux xml-rpc is done.

20:15:36 [talli]

what would it take to get aolserver and tux to play nicely?

20:15:43 [denshi]

but what would a sensible transform look like?

20:15:59 [talli]

dunno. you're the hacker :)

20:16:19 [denshi]

* denshi realizes he is, in fact, wearing his hacker hat.

20:16:30 [talli]

the alternative is to build the interfaces directly into aolserver, which means also supporting the dev of those things

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20:19:47 [AaronSw]

hello guys and gals

20:19:55 [AaronSw]

i've got an aolserver question

20:20:03 [AaronSw]

i'm running aolserver behind apache (to do vhosting)

20:20:24 [AaronSw]

so i have aolserver listening on port 82, and apache proxying to it

20:20:47 [AaronSw]

this works great except for when aolserver does a redirect, because on redirects it adds a port 82 to the url and thus bypasses the apache proxy

20:21:00 [AaronSw]

how do i stop it from doing that?

20:21:36 [denshi]

talli, I have found my example.

20:22:15 [denshi]

hmm....

20:23:28 [talli]

hey AaronSw!

20:23:31 [talli]

welcome back

20:23:33 [AaronSw]

talli!

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20:25:14 [AaronSw]

hey markd2 and vinod

20:25:23 [AaronSw]

any idea how to get aolserver to leave off the port when redirecting?

20:25:26 [vinod]

hey AaronSw

20:25:43 [talli]

hey denshi, what did you find?

20:25:48 [markd2]

* markd2 roks the haus

20:26:07 [denshi]

talli: my example was aaron: here is the answer to yesterday's question.

20:26:16 [vinod]

AaronSw: sorry, not off the top of my head...

20:26:23 [talli]

ah, i see

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20:26:55 [davb]

talli: NSSOap provides SOAP and can be modified for XMLRPC for AOLserver

20:27:11 [talli]

davb: cool

20:27:24 [talli]

but is anyone supporting NSsoap right now?

20:27:27 [davb]

AaronSw: with virtual servers?

20:27:46 [davb]

talli: me :) I am working with the developers to get it working with OpenACS one of these days.

20:28:01 [AaronSw]

davb, what do you mean by that?

20:29:03 [davb]

AaronSw: if you specify the port number with nssunix it shows it shows the port number in the URL, if you leave it out you don't see it.

20:29:28 [AaronSw]

oh, i'm not using nsunix -- it's just a normal server on 82

20:29:45 [talli]

davb: cool!

20:30:54 [davb]

AaronSw: aha. I read the rest of the log...

20:31:47 [davb]

talli: also ns_xmlrpc works. I was using it until yesterday.

20:40:38 [talli]

davb: how do i upgrade to xfree864.2 with debian?

20:40:47 [talli]

i've tried apt-get upgrade x-window-system

20:41:03 [talli]

(btw, i can't seem to get xfree864.1 to work :()

20:42:09 [denshi]

talli, are you using an nvidia card?

20:42:50 [davb]

talli: I installed debian with NO x server etc...

20:42:53 [talli]

no, ati rage 128

20:43:00 [davb]

then upgraded to unstable/sid

20:43:05 [davb]

then installed all the X stuff.

20:43:07 [talli]

it says that no screens can be found

20:43:11 [talli]

i did upgrade to sid

20:43:28 [davb]

yeah, but you installed X first, right? :)

20:43:39 [talli]

and i tried apt-get upgrade x-window-system and apt-get install x-window-system and it says that the versions are already the latest

20:43:44 [talli]

yeah, i did install X first

20:43:57 [davb]

yeah you /etc/X11/XF86-Config is broken.

20:44:03 [talli]

damn

20:44:11 [davb]

try dpkg-reconfigure xserver

20:44:16 [talli]

ah, thanks

20:44:26 [davb]

I fiddled with the settings until mine worked :)

20:44:45 [talli]

ah, xserver package not installed

20:44:59 [davb]

ok that is the wrong name probably...

20:45:04 [talli]

not fully installed, rather

20:45:10 [denshi]

??? isn't that a bug? x-window-system shouldn't install without that.

20:45:12 [davb]

that also sounds bad.

20:45:39 [talli]

maybe i should remove the packages and try to reinstall?

20:45:42 [davb]

that is why I did't install X. going frm 3 to 4 is a pain.

20:45:52 [davb]

maybe.

20:46:35 [denshi]

davb -- maybe?

20:46:35 [davb]

oops mine says that too.

20:46:54 [davb]

argh. its dpkg-reconfigure something

20:47:52 [davb]

try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86

20:48:02 [talli]

THANKS

20:48:05 [davb]

np

20:48:06 [talli]

sorry

20:48:09 [talli]

caps lock

20:53:06 [talli]

hallelujah! it worked!

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20:53:31 [davb]

cool!

20:53:59 [davb]

I wonder what version of ETP neophytos was using that news was broken.

20:54:08 [davb]

I think it is fixed it later CVS

20:54:24 [talli]

cool

20:54:41 [talli]

luke just wrote us an email saying he hacked up a first etp2 try

20:54:46 [talli]

tgfl

20:54:53 [talli]

thank god for luke

20:55:46 [markd2]

the force is strong with that one

21:01:12 [davb]

wow!

21:03:18 [davb]

of course he did, I just went live with my ETP1 based site :)

21:03:24 [talli]

davb: wow that luke's already done the work?

21:03:43 [davb]

yeah, he is fast.

21:03:55 [talli]

yeah, he does shit like that. sometimes we have to hold him back on client sites because they didn't pay for his extra work :)

21:04:02 [davb]

heh

21:04:17 [davb]

hey if he is bored put him to work on the rest of OpenACS 4!

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21:07:25 [denshi]

hey chrismj, til, & neo!

21:07:29 [k2pts]

I could not resist to comment davb's post. I have contacted the nssoap project leader some time ago and he didn't even reply...

21:07:32 [k2pts]

hey denshi

21:07:37 [til]

hi

21:07:39 [denshi]

hey chrismj, are you from austin?

21:08:04 [chrismj]

yep. we know each other?

21:08:13 [davb]

k2pts: oh. I have emailed him. Sometimes he does take a LOOOOOOONG time to respond.

21:08:23 [andyn]

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21:08:24 [denshi]

i know all things that pass through austin. muhahahahaha!

21:08:40 [k2pts]

* k2pts is still waiting for a reply. it's been a couple of months now :)

21:08:50 [denshi]

er.. I don't think so. I'm Todd G in meatspace. I'm trying to get together an austin oacs social.

21:08:51 [davb]

wow. I will have to whack him over the head.

21:08:58 [chrismj]

denshi: do tell.

21:09:10 [davb]

I still haven't gotten it working correctly, but I have fixed some bugs in the aolserver modules.

21:09:11 [chrismj]

denshi: sweet!

21:09:18 [k2pts]

davb: that's great

21:09:24 [k2pts]

good to hear that

21:09:52 [k2pts]

* k2pts thinks that davb is working harder than anyone else on the openacs project (vinod too)

21:10:02 [talli]

k2pts: me thinks you're right

21:10:07 [davb]

heh, vinod has been slacking off lately

21:10:11 [davb]

:)

21:10:18 [davb]

darn, he's not here, its no fun to pick on him.

21:10:18 [talli]

but don't tell davb because he thinks he needs a CS degree to have skillZ ;)

21:10:30 [davb]

no I need a CS degree to get $$$

21:10:34 [talli]

ah, ok ;)

21:11:02 [k2pts]

anyways, have to head out and continue rewriting openacs

21:11:08 [talli]

davb: after getting sick of trying to figure out the correct dependencies for GNOME and KDE, i just apt-got xfce

21:11:09 [talli]

very cool

21:11:10 [davb]

good luck.

21:11:16 [davb]

talli: excellent.

21:11:17 [talli]

k2pts, drop me a line later

21:11:30 [k2pts]

I'll drop you one now

21:11:32 [k2pts]

:)

21:11:33 [talli]

but, are the windows always suppsoed to be stuck to one corner?

21:11:50 [davb]

I don't think so. you can't move them?

21:11:54 [talli]

no, i can't

21:12:05 [davb]

try alt-click-drag on the border

21:12:11 [talli]

ah, ok

21:12:13 [davb]

I think that worked for me.

21:12:23 [talli]

ok

21:12:26 [davb]

Xchat's title bar kept getting stuck off the top of my screen.

21:14:33 [davb]

k2pts: BTW news works on my version of ETP

21:14:43 [k2pts]

not mine

21:15:07 [chrismj]

anyone here configured oacs4 with exim as mta?

21:15:15 [davb]

for sending out?

21:15:22 [chrismj]

davb: yeah

21:15:27 [davb]

I use my ISPs SMTP server.

21:15:40 [talli]

davb: i still can't move any of the windows

21:15:53 [chrismj]

davb: rather than mess with exim?

21:15:56 [talli]

and all of the windows open and get stuck in the center corner

21:16:35 [davb]

chrismj: yes. set ns_param Mailhost mail.isp.net in the aolserver config file.

21:16:44 [davb]

the center corner?

21:16:57 [talli]

yes, the corner in the middle of the screen :)

21:17:02 [talli]

the upper left corner

21:18:26 [davb]

does alt-click on the border give you a 4-arrow move cursor?

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21:22:57 [talli]

davb, no, it doesn't

21:24:02 [davb]

hmmmm.

21:24:34 [davb]

somewhere on the xfce control bar is a button to configure it. or try left or right clicking on the background.

21:25:18 [davb]

well, I must go home. good luck!

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21:37:27 [til]

chrismj: got exim with oacs working?

21:38:40 [til]

does exim work standalone already?

21:39:14 [chrismj]

til, yeah, I can send mail out using mail erc.

21:39:17 [chrismj]

etc.

21:40:13 [til]

ok ... where does oacs fail sending mail?

21:40:59 [chrismj]

oacs fails when I change the password of admin through the web interface, giving

21:41:11 [chrismj]

could not connect to locahost:25 erro

21:41:43 [denshi]

can you post the whole operation trace from the error log?

21:41:57 [chrismj]

let me get it...

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21:47:17 [denshi]

hazmat!

21:47:25 [hazmat]

hi denshi

21:47:47 [denshi]

mike wyzowski!

21:49:07 [chrismj]

still looking for the relevant errors in my logs to fix exim send problem

21:49:59 [til]

if it really says "locahost:25" like you typed above then i know where the error is ;)

21:53:11 [talli]

rbm: you still here?

21:53:53 [denshi]

rbm has been idle for 14 hours. That's enough time to flee to canada.

21:54:05 [talli]

canada!!!!

21:55:01 [denshi]

* denshi thinks he hears a baritone chorus line singing 'o canada'

21:56:42 [markd2]

* markd2 hears so cartoons singing 'blame canada'

21:57:01 [talli]

* talli hears canada and thirsts for beer

21:57:09 [talli]

* talli and badger pelts

21:57:25 [markd2]

nooo!

21:57:27 [markd2]

not badger pelts!

21:57:31 [markd2]

* markd2 blames canada anyway

21:57:48 [denshi]

don't worry, markd2... they took the badgers out of the pelts already.

21:57:55 [markd2]

yay!

21:58:06 [markd2]

* markd2 pelts denshi with badgers

21:58:19 [denshi]

unfortunately, they dumped the angry, pelt-less badgers in your house.

21:58:34 [markd2]

that's ok.

21:58:36 [markd2]

I'll take good care of them

21:58:38 [denshi]

watch out - they stain.

21:58:53 [markd2]

* markd2 has some furniture needing refinishing

21:58:58 [chrismj]

yeah, I have ns_section ns/parameters,... then ns_param MailHost localhost

21:59:16 [chrismj]

can't get ns_sendmail to work through exim, though.

21:59:55 [hazmat]

is your exim setup relaying from locahost?

22:00:38 [chrismj]

not sure--(newbie exim) I can send mail out using localhost e.g. `mail user@blah.com`

22:01:36 [talli]

anyone know the package for mozilla in debian unstable? i checked the site and it says its mozilla-browser but apt-get says there ain't nobody named that around here

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22:01:55 [denshi]

haha-- the badgers got him.

22:02:09 [til]

talli: just mozilla?

22:02:21 [talli]

well, anything that will get me mozilla

22:02:38 [talli]

but just the mozilla browser would be enough

22:02:41 [talli]

or even opera

22:03:16 [til]

then try apt-get mozilla ... at least that's how i got mozilla. i think you won't get it without chat and news (not sure though)

22:03:31 [denshi]

http://packages.debian.org/unstable/non-us/mozilla-browser.html isnt' working?

22:03:31 [chump]

E: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/non-us/mozilla-browser.html from denshi

22:03:32 [talli]

i tried that... lemme try again

22:03:39 [talli]

no, it's not working for me

22:03:50 [talli]

it says it can't find it in the db

22:04:20 [denshi]

post the error.

22:04:32 [til]

talli: did you apt-get update recently?

22:05:19 [talli]

hmmm... good point

22:05:36 [talli]

silly me

22:09:30 [til]

chrismj: did you look in the server log? search for the last occurence of the word "error", maybe there's some more info on the mail problem

22:10:44 [talli]

denshi: i raise my middle finger in the direction of austin, texASS

22:12:15 [chrismj]

til, well, I could simply not have localhost relaying on. I'm checking that now.

22:12:25 [talli]

talli laughs harder since loggy sits on a server on his LAN

22:12:33 [denshi]

oops.

22:12:56 [talli]

* talli commands denshi to bow. again

22:13:00 [chrismj]

my oacs log grows like 1000 lines per minute or something stoopid, so it's fairly futile to search for something that occurred *over 20 minutes ago*!!!

22:13:20 [talli]

chrismj: the correct spelling is "stoopiT"

22:13:39 [chrismj]

hehe

22:14:24 [til]

chrismj: not if it was the only error that occured ... e.g. with emacs you could go to the end of the file, C-r error and voila

22:17:10 [denshi]

chrismj: just grep the damn thing for 'cannot connect' or 'localhost:25'.

22:18:45 [chrismj]

will try grepping.

22:20:06 [til]

grep -C5 will output 5 lines before and after the match

22:22:22 [chrismj]

btw, is there some reason that the log is 190MB now after running since last night?

22:23:28 [chrismj]

* chrismj quickly scans <server>-err.log, all 190MB of it, for errors on sending mail

22:26:10 [denshi]

you know, that's a big log for one day.

22:26:36 [chrismj]

sure is. is this configurable? :)

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22:35:54 [denshi]

alter debuglevel in your nsd.tcl file. Sadly, I don't remember all the params.

22:35:56 [chrismj]

k, got exim going. stoopit me: didn't have local relaying on for exim, didn't have exim running as daemon. don't know why that state was the initial one for my linux distro.

22:36:05 [denshi]

It was much more configureable in nsd2, and will be again in nsd4.

22:36:23 [chrismj]

got past the mailing error, should have my admin account back shortly. thanks for your support of this newbie

22:36:36 [denshi]

congrats. I usually just kick my MTAs.

22:37:09 [chrismj]

will alter debuglevel. that's ridiculous (either my install is hugely error-full, or debuglevel is too hig.

22:38:24 [denshi]

do you have an ass-load of ecommerce warnings in that log?

22:41:07 [denshi]

well, it's time to take this weekend down to the Gingerman. good night all.

22:41:25 [chrismj]

night!

22:41:41 [chrismj]

I'm out as well. solved the problem, must head out to do work elsewhere. bye all.

22:42:12 [chrismj]

* chrismj looking through 190MB logs one more time, just for memories...

22:42:19 [chrismj]

* chrismj grabs a printout of said logs

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