00:00:38 time 00:00:44 paje: time 00:00:44 Thu Feb 21 17:02:39 2002 00:00:52 .time 00:00:53 2002/02/22 00:02:21.1365 Universal 00:00:59 oh man. 00:01:08 .google talli 00:01:09 can someone get a bot to rub my back? 00:01:10 talli: http://www.kolumbus.fi/kiahan.talli 00:01:44 paje: Please scratch talli's back 00:01:45 rbm: huh? 00:01:59 paje, please pleasure denshi 00:01:59 talli: i'm not following you... 00:02:11 paje, denshi needs some love 00:02:11 talli: i'm not following you... 00:02:20 paje, offer denshi a foot rub 00:02:21 talli: huh? 00:02:32 paje, denshi would like to be shown the ways of love making 00:02:32 talli: excuse me? 00:02:47 BTW, I should break out the news... I'm going to be a daddy. 00:02:50 talli: you are in a twisty little maze of passages, all alike. 00:02:57 rbm: congrats! 00:03:10 heh 00:03:11 rbm: congrats!!! 00:03:22 there is the Zork 404 page, we need a zork bot 00:03:28 rbm: congrats!... but i heard the daddy part before. do you have more info? 00:03:38 talli, vinod, denshi: thanks :) 00:03:40 denshi, what else do you want to know? 00:03:52 you don't know how people make babies? 00:03:55 denshi: You know, reproduction. Wife is pregnant. 00:04:01 i don't think this is the channel for that 00:04:03 no, paje taught me that. 00:04:08 vinod or docwolf can help you, i think 00:04:09 lol 00:04:09 denshi: Oh :) 00:04:11 gender of child? 00:04:26 denshi: We don't know yet. But it's due in September. 00:04:31 did the ultrasound find a copy of PANDA in there? 00:04:43 * hazmat groans 00:04:51 when can he start contributing? 00:04:58 I told my wife that if it's a boy we should name him "Linus Baccus Adida Mello" :-) 00:05:06 haha 00:05:13 let's hope it's a girl 00:05:24 heheh 00:05:26 then you could name her Talli 00:05:26 i'm sure your wife is already praying. 00:05:57 vinod, when your children start roaming the earth, mine are going to beat them up 00:06:34 paje, tell vinod about it 00:06:34 talli: excuse me? 00:06:35 Anyone ever got to do multplayer gaming in xmame? 00:06:50 talli: First you have to teach paje about "it" 00:07:01 paje: talli? 00:07:01 i haven't a clue, rbm 00:07:16 paje, i fear you are a useless bag 00:07:17 OK, talli. 00:07:22 paje, thatta boy 00:07:23 talli: sorry... 00:07:32 paje: who are you? 00:07:33 i am the medicine man and oracle in Amazonian tribes. I'm also a recipient of church of mike's "full deal" package 00:07:42 paje: wife? 00:07:42 rbm: bugger all, i dunno 00:08:12 I think I'll download factoid paks for paje from infobot.org. They have everything there. 00:08:30 DavesCreature has quit ("local keyboard interrupt") 00:09:08 Paje is written in Perl BTW. The original version saves to DBM databases. The Debian package has been forked to use MySQL, so I didn't even think about installing. 00:09:21 I did download the debian source package and looked at doing a port to PostgreSQL :) 00:09:31 for an irc bot it seems appropiate. 00:09:35 to use mysql. 00:09:54 * hazmat is banished to infernal flames for suggesting use of mysql on openacs. 00:09:57 hazmat: Yes, I just don't want MySQL on my system, that's all :) 00:12:42 because you never know what might come back to haunt in a few years... 00:12:53 this is logged and google indexes it :) 00:13:22 so we shouldn't talk about talli's unfortunate cocaine habit? 00:13:31 no thats fair game. 00:13:37 its public knowledge, right? 00:13:38 TALLI COCAINE TERRORISM WHITE HOUSE 00:13:41 why is it unfortunate? 00:13:58 i'm not complaining. docwolf, you should stop judging people 00:14:05 google has indexed everything else monty has said, so I think it is well founded to say that "Monty is the true mastermind behind crackmonkey.org. He is both a monkey and on crack." 00:14:18 not that there's anything wrong with that.... 00:14:19 good point. 00:14:35 actually, cocaine can be useful, to a point. 00:14:43 (it used to be an Over-the-counter treat) 00:15:18 is that point, death? 00:15:20 that's b/c the concentrations were something like a thousand times weaker back then. 00:15:26 and in soda.... mmm... cocain laced soda 00:15:31 * rbm getting a job offer from MySQL AB would be like receiving one from MS, except not as dramatic :) 00:15:47 yeah.. i guess the problem now is that you don't really know what you're getting 00:15:52 i had a friend who worked on ms, he had an email addr @evilempire.com 00:16:02 and a jedi knight business card. 00:16:09 luke worked at MS 00:16:09 the age-old process was coca leaves & soda rocks (mildly alkaline). The current process is as advanced as anything chemical engineering can provide. 00:16:13 he said he enjoyed ut 00:16:13 it 00:16:17 So I went to help a friend with his Debian box yesterday, and he tried to get me into some Quickstar network marketing thing. 00:16:46 ack. 00:16:52 syn. 00:16:57 wait 00:17:06 that is amway in disguise I believe 00:17:51 davb: That's what I thought, but he assured me it wasn't. 00:27:26 night all. 00:27:36 late denshi 00:27:43 nite 00:27:44 hazmat has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.5 [Mozilla rv:0.9.8/20020204]") 00:27:53 bye 00:27:59 Oh, before I go: 00:28:00 http://www.advogato.com/article/430.html 00:28:00 A: http://www.advogato.com/article/430.html from denshi 00:28:16 bye? 00:28:16 bye rbm 00:28:17 denshi, btw, have you taken a look at any more of Tora? 00:28:26 A: The secret truth of Mono.. 00:28:26 commented item A 00:28:33 denshi: Oh. 00:29:16 talli: yes, I have. I'm going to go home and play with it some more. Then I'm going to play with some pset type docs and some prototyping noise. These are at the top of my mental heap. 00:29:28 killer 00:29:34 I really think I need to get a job on this, just to provide impetus for scheduling. 00:29:35 did the belgian guy get back to you? 00:29:51 no, he didn't. I'm not sure what the next level of harassement is. 00:30:00 denshi: Hahah. hilarious :) 00:30:05 I'm going to bug the two tora postgres contributors to see what's up. 00:30:23 cool 00:30:52 bye then. 00:31:40 denshi has quit () 00:36:04 talli has left #openacs 00:39:52 you guys see what walmart is doing? 00:40:08 these guys have major-league brass balls. 00:40:27 nope 00:40:40 they are selling PCs -- and you, Mr. Consumer, can choose to buy one _without_ windows (!!!) 00:40:54 that's right, they'll sell you a bare machine 00:40:57 without the microsoft tax. 00:41:01 cool. 00:42:17 it's still too expensive though.. they sell a complete PC for $399 00:42:21 (no monitor, of course..) 00:42:49 if they dropped the price by like another $100 00:42:55 and threw in 00:42:55 http://www.lycoris.com/ 00:42:56 B: http://www.lycoris.com/ from docwolf 00:42:56 That advogato post is totally hilarious! 00:42:59 for free.. 00:44:49 that looks neat. maybe I'll sneak it onto the wife's new computer :) 00:44:58 :-) 00:45:36 if walmart could squeeze another $100 out and include a monitor.. the PC industry would turn over and die. 00:45:50 b/c that little machine is more than enough for 99.9% of people. 00:46:09 I don't think they can do both. 00:46:20 yeah, it would be tough 00:46:22 -$100 and monitor. although a 15 inch is what $79? 00:46:30 i don't know what it is these days. 00:46:55 yeah, $79 retail 00:47:06 which means walmart can do way, way better. 00:47:22 right. Inkjet printner cost less than the cartridges now. 00:47:30 haha 00:47:55 wait, you're not kidding 00:48:02 not at all. 00:48:06 oh my god 00:48:10 HP- P.2500U INKJET PRINTER USB WITH CABLE-RETAIL BOX. NEW 00:48:15 $ 39 00:48:37 walmart sells them in bubble packs on the endcaps. 00:48:47 oh my god 00:48:51 when did _that_ happen? 00:49:01 probably right before christmas. 00:49:13 wow 00:49:25 obviously it is less expensive to throw away the printer, but hp is betting you just buy ink. 00:49:29 A printer for $39?!?!?! 00:49:30 so, expect that if the walmart thing becomes popular 00:49:38 you can buy a full PC for $300 bux 00:49:41 and a printer for $40 00:49:44 docwolf: where's that? 00:50:04 rbm: walmart has made the courageous decision to offer PCs without windows 00:50:08 I bought an Epson C60 for $80, free shipping. 00:50:21 that I am sure is a 10x better printer. 00:50:30 docwolf: I saw that, but where are you seeing these prices? walmart.com? 00:50:38 yeah 00:50:39 walmart.coim 00:50:43 they have one for $399 00:50:48 davb: It's a great printer. Parallel and USB, works perfectly on Linux. 00:50:50 right at the local walmart the printer lives. I have seen it with my own eyes. 00:50:55 but knowing walmart, that price will drop drastically over the course of a year 00:51:00 they are totally brutal to their suppliers. 00:51:01 * rbm doesn't like HP inkjets. Been burned too many times by them. 00:51:32 My wife studied walmart on her Marketing class. Funny that Walmart was the biggest cause of productivity increase in the U.S. 00:51:42 their management is superb 00:51:46 they are super-cheap people 00:51:53 And their distribution system is awesome. 00:51:55 and their IT is killer 00:52:03 I hate what walmart has done to many towns 00:52:09 but... they deserved their success. 00:52:20 It's really hard to compete. 00:52:56 Walmart recently became a supercenter here in Logan. Their parking lot is _always_ full. On saturdays it's insane. 00:53:04 actually out local walmart has went way down hill. very little selection and ever poorer quality than usual. 00:53:09 Meanwhile, Kmart's parking lot, next door, is almost always empty. 00:54:57 moo 00:55:13 hmm. 00:55:16 rbm: moo 00:55:22 crp 00:55:25 s/crp/crap/ 00:55:32 * rbm goes to eat 00:55:44 Oh wait, I have to check walmart.com first 00:56:52 docwolf: have a URL for me? Can't seem to find this killer deal 00:58:15 Woot! 00:58:26 * davb battles css 01:01:10 anyone can recommend a good scanner? 01:01:27 get one with a transparancy adapter 01:01:45 I haven't had good luck with any of them really though. 01:02:34 actually css acts correctly and punishes me for using incorrect syntax :( 01:03:04 back 01:03:06 url? 01:03:23 http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product_listing.gsp?path=0%3A3944%3A3951%3A41937%3A86796%3A86798&dept=3944&cat=86798&sb=61&bti=0 01:03:24 C: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product_listing.gsp?path=0%3A3944%3A3951%3A41937%3A86796%3A86798&dept=3944&cat=86798&sb=61&bti=0 from docwolf 01:26:43 * rbm compiles a new xmame Debian package, with ALSA and multiplayer support 01:27:16 * rbm compila um novo pacote xmame, com suporte ALSA e multiplayer 01:27:22 ick 01:50:13 vinod has left #openacs 02:00:25 http://www.winterspeak.com/columns/022002.html 02:00:25 D: http://www.winterspeak.com/columns/022002.html from davb 02:00:30 D:|The Copyright Tax 02:00:30 titled item D 02:01:07 D: from [AaronSw|http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000171] 02:01:07 commented item D 02:25:36 back 02:26:12 up 02:27:03 * jim copies the entire content to chump 02:27:21 paje: jim? 02:27:21 rbm: bugger all, i dunno 02:28:36 paje: jim is jim (just ask apt!) 02:28:37 OK, jim. 02:29:00 talilee (~talli@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 02:29:02 jim? 02:29:03 hmmm... jim is jim (just ask apt!) 02:30:09 davb: another wp patch? 02:36:13 hi 02:36:59 I fixed the patch, but didn't upload. 02:38:07 hi 02:38:07 hi, jim 02:38:13 hie 02:38:21 hullo 02:38:25 hello 02:38:28 jim: do you want the updated patch. all it is is changing the packge_id to parent_id int he oracle/sql/wp-slim-create.sql 02:38:32 paje: hi 02:38:33 privet, davb 02:38:42 paje: hi 02:38:42 salut, davb 02:38:44 paje: hi 02:38:44 what's up, davb 02:38:55 davb: is it a patch against a patch? 02:39:01 no, a new patch. 02:39:05 against the cvs. 02:39:08 so it's against cvs 02:39:11 ok... 02:39:25 I get rid of it, blow it all away and do it again 02:39:54 all you need to do is create or replace wp_presentation.new I think. 02:40:06 but sometimes its easier to start over :) 02:40:27 sorry for the stupid mistake. 02:40:52 np :) this is a better test if I start over and apply the patch that's there 02:40:59 right. 02:41:05 (btw, the drop script ran without problems) 02:41:09 paje: insult jim 02:41:10 jim is nothing but a plume-plucked ass-full of penguin-molesting red dye number-9. 02:41:31 cool. it should not affect my changes. or rather my changes should not affect the drop script. 02:41:49 insult paje 02:41:50 paje is nothing but a plume-plucked ass-full of clapper-clawed yoo-hoo. 02:41:55 should I email the new patch? instead of posting another untested on to the sdm :) 02:42:00 paje excuse 02:42:01 davb: Fanout dropping voltage too much, try cutting some of those little traces 02:42:21 can paje spell? 02:42:33 umm, one sec 02:42:46 paje, spel spell 02:42:47 jim: huh? 02:42:55 paje, spell spel 02:42:55 Possible spellings for spel: spell Opel spec sped spew 02:43:06 paje \is smart 02:43:07 rbm: i'm not following you... 02:43:20 paje, follow rbm 02:43:21 jim: what? 02:44:01 you guys went and didit... you made a too-fun bot 02:44:50 paje chump records URLs and stores them at http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog/ 02:44:50 davb: excuse me? 02:44:53 darn 02:45:17 * jim knits 02:45:52 jim? 02:45:52 jim is probably jim (just ask apt!) 02:46:39 paje, chump is a bot that keeps track of URLS, the logs can be found at http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog/ 02:46:39 OK, jim. 02:46:50 chump? 02:46:50 chump is, like, a bot that keeps track of URLS, the logs can be found at http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog/ 02:46:53 oh sure, he listens to you. 02:46:59 cool 02:47:06 I know he goeder :) 02:48:23 paje, chump =~ s/$/ and foo./ 02:48:24 That doesn't contain '$', jim 02:48:58 the xena/creature bot is pretty neat, but I don't know if it can remember stuff like that. 02:49:47 more IE patches 02:50:04 ok, I'm ready for the patch... 02:50:16 ok, how shall I delvier it? 02:50:22 umm, try this (dunno if it gonna work) 02:50:40 /dcc send jim /path/to/wp-patch 02:50:50 ok 02:51:12 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 02:51:26 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 02:51:28 oops 02:52:08 actually, hang on one sec 02:52:13 ok :) 02:52:41 aolserver (~aolserver@12-233-187-5.client.attbi.com) has joined #openacs 02:52:50 woah 02:53:14 * aolserver serves aol? 02:53:32 * aolserver eats wp patches! 02:54:09 /dcc send aolserver /path/to/wp-patch 02:54:44 heyy! someone said my name! 02:55:05 rafa (rafa@ebt.ee.usyd.edu.au) has joined #openacs 02:55:53 gulp! 02:55:56 burp! 02:56:04 heh 02:56:55 aolserver has quit (Client Quit) 02:57:12 thanks for testing this! 02:57:17 hi 02:57:17 bonjour, rafa 02:57:26 bonjour 02:57:47 paje is no fun since this isn't a sex channel 02:57:59 paje would be really cool if someone tried to pick him up 02:57:59 talilee: excuse me? 02:58:11 paje, where are you? do you have IM? what are your stats? 02:58:11 no idea, talilee 02:58:36 paje, webcam and netmeeting? 02:58:36 wish i knew, jim 02:58:47 paje, any pics? 02:58:47 bugger all, i dunno, talilee 02:59:46 patch applied with no complaints/warnings 02:59:58 guys, some help on OACS? 03:00:13 no, sorry, wrong room rafa 03:00:20 we only talk IRC bots here 03:00:28 just kidding, btw 03:00:34 we also talk about vinod 03:00:51 that is cool talk (Vonod, I mean :) 03:00:52 rafa: but only when he's here or not here :) 03:01:29 I have this newbie problkem with the redirect 03:01:54 rafa, you rafael calvo? 03:01:56 if file is not found it send me to the subsite page and 03:02:11 yes, you might have seen the post 03:02:39 did you change your alias Talli? 03:02:59 not really, this is an alternate. i think i'm still logged on in the office 03:03:21 thaks for the file you sent me some time ago... 03:03:30 s/thaks/thanks 03:03:37 oh, no prob 03:03:42 the page looks great! 03:04:15 It should get better though.... I am working on some document classification stuff 03:04:23 (my research area) 03:04:43 and will hopefully build something for OACS, well we have a demo 03:04:54 but the client doesn't want to release it yet 03:05:09 anyway I was trying to fix this problem 03:05:25 I don't get a 404, so what is the problem? 03:05:31 that problem is probably fixed in dotLRN 03:05:39 another reason they should have released the code already... 03:05:48 davb: this time, no errors on data model install 03:06:07 wuduidunow 03:06:10 ? 03:06:16 so you mean, is nit that I am missing something, it is a bug? 03:06:35 i imagine the subsite stuff ain't too strong in the current system 03:06:53 but I am not using subsite, I don't know why it send me there? 03:07:06 ah, dunno 03:07:51 when you want the error page to show up, do you just put it in the oacs init file, or somewhere else? 03:08:31 I mean the RP gets all the files, so 404 shouldn't really happen (?) 03:10:43 I just tried it on http://openacs.museatech.net/pp 03:10:51 and it does the right thing 03:11:00 so it is me.. 03:15:10 rbm: how is the doc going? 03:17:03 rafa: doing some cleanup tonight "Open Architecture Community System" :-) 03:17:47 I like the name... 03:17:54 me too 03:17:59 do you have a new logo? 03:18:11 davb: you still here? :) 03:18:17 rafa: not that I'm aware of 03:18:31 * davb is here 03:18:43 ok... what do I do now to test wp? 03:19:02 create a new presentation 03:19:06 (the data model got added no problem this time) 03:19:12 excellent. 03:19:47 I will see if I can contribute a logo. I like the dog though 03:20:24 they are having a mini lanaguage debate on speed between Perl, PHP and Java, and the smart people say, who cares the difference between 20 and 40 pages per second, hardware is cheap. developer time is expensive. ease of development is more important. 03:20:36 ok, testing that a wp package instance can be deleted... yes, but this test was before creating anything 03:20:52 davb, what are you talking about? 03:21:03 (i.e., created a wp instance, mounted, then deleted immediately) 03:21:39 talilee: basically, the difference in speed between different platforms is not as important as the speed of the developer (ease of use, learning) 03:22:02 who is having the debate, though? 03:22:05 and OpenACS gives you alot up front so customization cost is lower (or should be) 03:22:07 cms-list 03:22:11 ah, ok 03:22:15 rbm: I am writing a short paper about OACS arch, hopefully you can give me some feedback 03:22:19 uhoh, I accidently created a subsite instead of a wp 03:22:25 heh 03:22:28 tried to delete 03:22:30 boom 03:22:31 I hate when that happens. 03:22:40 yes, very bad. can't do that with subsite. 03:23:21 should be able to tho... 03:23:35 well, nm, that problem is already known :) 03:24:55 rafa: okay 03:25:17 rbm: did you fix your visa problems? 03:25:19 interesting... my patch was accepted? 03:28:05 nope... 03:31:41 wow, wp is really different 03:32:11 much nicer ui for adding collaborators, groups easy to add 03:33:09