IRC log of openacs on 2002-02-22

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00:00:38 [rbm]
time
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paje: time
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Thu Feb 21 17:02:39 2002
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.time
00:00:53 [DavesCreature]
2002/02/22 00:02:21.1365 Universal
00:00:59 [talli]
oh man.
00:01:08 [davb]
.google talli
00:01:09 [talli]
can someone get a bot to rub my back?
00:01:10 [DavesCreature]
talli: http://www.kolumbus.fi/kiahan.talli
00:01:44 [rbm]
paje: Please scratch talli's back
00:01:45 [paje]
rbm: huh?
00:01:59 [talli]
paje, please pleasure denshi
00:01:59 [paje]
talli: i'm not following you...
00:02:11 [talli]
paje, denshi needs some love
00:02:11 [paje]
talli: i'm not following you...
00:02:20 [talli]
paje, offer denshi a foot rub
00:02:21 [paje]
talli: huh?
00:02:32 [talli]
paje, denshi would like to be shown the ways of love making
00:02:32 [paje]
talli: excuse me?
00:02:47 [rbm]
BTW, I should break out the news... I'm going to be a daddy.
00:02:50 [denshi]
talli: you are in a twisty little maze of passages, all alike.
00:02:57 [vinod]
rbm: congrats!
00:03:10 [davb]
heh
00:03:11 [talli]
rbm: congrats!!!
00:03:22 [davb]
there is the Zork 404 page, we need a zork bot
00:03:28 [denshi]
rbm: congrats!... but i heard the daddy part before. do you have more info?
00:03:38 [rbm]
talli, vinod, denshi: thanks :)
00:03:40 [talli]
denshi, what else do you want to know?
00:03:52 [talli]
you don't know how people make babies?
00:03:55 [rbm]
denshi: You know, reproduction. Wife is pregnant.
00:04:01 [talli]
i don't think this is the channel for that
00:04:03 [denshi]
no, paje taught me that.
00:04:08 [talli]
vinod or docwolf can help you, i think
00:04:09 [vinod]
lol
00:04:09 [rbm]
denshi: Oh :)
00:04:11 [denshi]
gender of child?
00:04:26 [rbm]
denshi: We don't know yet. But it's due in September.
00:04:31 [denshi]
did the ultrasound find a copy of PANDA in there?
00:04:43 [hazmat]
* hazmat groans
00:04:51 [denshi]
when can he start contributing?
00:04:58 [rbm]
I told my wife that if it's a boy we should name him "Linus Baccus Adida Mello" :-)
00:05:06 [vinod]
haha
00:05:13 [talli]
let's hope it's a girl
00:05:24 [rbm]
heheh
00:05:26 [vinod]
then you could name her Talli
00:05:26 [hazmat]
i'm sure your wife is already praying.
00:05:57 [talli]
vinod, when your children start roaming the earth, mine are going to beat them up
00:06:34 [talli]
paje, tell vinod about it
00:06:34 [paje]
talli: excuse me?
00:06:35 [rbm]
Anyone ever got to do multplayer gaming in xmame?
00:06:50 [rbm]
talli: First you have to teach paje about "it"
00:07:01 [rbm]
paje: talli?
00:07:01 [paje]
i haven't a clue, rbm
00:07:16 [talli]
paje, i fear you are a useless bag
00:07:17 [paje]
OK, talli.
00:07:22 [talli]
paje, thatta boy
00:07:23 [paje]
talli: sorry...
00:07:32 [rbm]
paje: who are you?
00:07:33 [paje]
i am the medicine man and oracle in Amazonian tribes. I'm also a recipient of church of mike's "full deal" package
00:07:42 [rbm]
paje: wife?
00:07:42 [paje]
rbm: bugger all, i dunno
00:08:12 [rbm]
I think I'll download factoid paks for paje from infobot.org. They have everything there.
00:08:30 [DavesCreature]
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00:09:08 [rbm]
Paje is written in Perl BTW. The original version saves to DBM databases. The Debian package has been forked to use MySQL, so I didn't even think about installing.
00:09:21 [rbm]
I did download the debian source package and looked at doing a port to PostgreSQL :)
00:09:31 [hazmat]
for an irc bot it seems appropiate.
00:09:35 [hazmat]
to use mysql.
00:09:54 [hazmat]
* hazmat is banished to infernal flames for suggesting use of mysql on openacs.
00:09:57 [rbm]
hazmat: Yes, I just don't want MySQL on my system, that's all :)
00:12:42 [hazmat]
because you never know what might come back to haunt in a few years...
00:12:53 [davb]
this is logged and google indexes it :)
00:13:22 [docwolf]
so we shouldn't talk about talli's unfortunate cocaine habit?
00:13:31 [hazmat]
no thats fair game.
00:13:37 [hazmat]
its public knowledge, right?
00:13:38 [docwolf]
TALLI COCAINE TERRORISM WHITE HOUSE
00:13:41 [talli]
why is it unfortunate?
00:13:58 [talli]
i'm not complaining. docwolf, you should stop judging people
00:14:05 [denshi]
google has indexed everything else monty has said, so I think it is well founded to say that "Monty is the true mastermind behind crackmonkey.org. He is both a monkey and on crack."
00:14:18 [docwolf]
not that there's anything wrong with that....
00:14:19 [davb]
good point.
00:14:35 [docwolf]
actually, cocaine can be useful, to a point.
00:14:43 [docwolf]
(it used to be an Over-the-counter treat)
00:15:18 [hazmat]
is that point, death?
00:15:20 [denshi]
that's b/c the concentrations were something like a thousand times weaker back then.
00:15:26 [talli]
and in soda.... mmm... cocain laced soda
00:15:31 [rbm]
* rbm getting a job offer from MySQL AB would be like receiving one from MS, except not as dramatic :)
00:15:47 [docwolf]
yeah.. i guess the problem now is that you don't really know what you're getting
00:15:52 [hazmat]
i had a friend who worked on ms, he had an email addr @evilempire.com
00:16:02 [hazmat]
and a jedi knight business card.
00:16:09 [talli]
luke worked at MS
00:16:09 [denshi]
the age-old process was coca leaves & soda rocks (mildly alkaline). The current process is as advanced as anything chemical engineering can provide.
00:16:13 [talli]
he said he enjoyed ut
00:16:13 [talli]
it
00:16:17 [rbm]
So I went to help a friend with his Debian box yesterday, and he tried to get me into some Quickstar network marketing thing.
00:16:46 [davb]
ack.
00:16:52 [rbm]
syn.
00:16:57 [denshi]
wait
00:17:06 [davb]
that is amway in disguise I believe
00:17:51 [rbm]
davb: That's what I thought, but he assured me it wasn't.
00:27:26 [denshi]
night all.
00:27:36 [talli]
late denshi
00:27:43 [hazmat]
nite
00:27:44 [hazmat]
hazmat has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.5 [Mozilla rv:0.9.8/20020204]")
00:27:53 [davb]
bye
00:27:59 [denshi]
Oh, before I go:
00:28:00 [denshi]
http://www.advogato.com/article/430.html
00:28:00 [chump]
A: http://www.advogato.com/article/430.html from denshi
00:28:16 [rbm]
bye?
00:28:16 [paje]
bye rbm
00:28:17 [talli]
denshi, btw, have you taken a look at any more of Tora?
00:28:26 [denshi]
A: The secret truth of Mono..
00:28:26 [chump]
commented item A
00:28:33 [rbm]
denshi: Oh.
00:29:16 [denshi]
talli: yes, I have. I'm going to go home and play with it some more. Then I'm going to play with some pset type docs and some prototyping noise. These are at the top of my mental heap.
00:29:28 [talli]
killer
00:29:34 [denshi]
I really think I need to get a job on this, just to provide impetus for scheduling.
00:29:35 [talli]
did the belgian guy get back to you?
00:29:51 [denshi]
no, he didn't. I'm not sure what the next level of harassement is.
00:30:00 [rbm]
denshi: Hahah. hilarious :)
00:30:05 [denshi]
I'm going to bug the two tora postgres contributors to see what's up.
00:30:23 [talli]
cool
00:30:52 [denshi]
bye then.
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00:39:52 [docwolf]
you guys see what walmart is doing?
00:40:08 [docwolf]
these guys have major-league brass balls.
00:40:27 [davb]
nope
00:40:40 [docwolf]
they are selling PCs -- and you, Mr. Consumer, can choose to buy one _without_ windows (!!!)
00:40:54 [docwolf]
that's right, they'll sell you a bare machine
00:40:57 [docwolf]
without the microsoft tax.
00:41:01 [davb]
cool.
00:42:17 [docwolf]
it's still too expensive though.. they sell a complete PC for $399
00:42:21 [docwolf]
(no monitor, of course..)
00:42:49 [docwolf]
if they dropped the price by like another $100
00:42:55 [docwolf]
and threw in
00:42:55 [docwolf]
http://www.lycoris.com/
00:42:56 [chump]
B: http://www.lycoris.com/ from docwolf
00:42:56 [rbm]
That advogato post is totally hilarious!
00:42:59 [docwolf]
for free..
00:44:49 [davb]
that looks neat. maybe I'll sneak it onto the wife's new computer :)
00:44:58 [docwolf]
:-)
00:45:36 [docwolf]
if walmart could squeeze another $100 out and include a monitor.. the PC industry would turn over and die.
00:45:50 [docwolf]
b/c that little machine is more than enough for 99.9% of people.
00:46:09 [davb]
I don't think they can do both.
00:46:20 [docwolf]
yeah, it would be tough
00:46:22 [davb]
-$100 and monitor. although a 15 inch is what $79?
00:46:30 [docwolf]
i don't know what it is these days.
00:46:55 [docwolf]
yeah, $79 retail
00:47:06 [docwolf]
which means walmart can do way, way better.
00:47:22 [davb]
right. Inkjet printner cost less than the cartridges now.
00:47:30 [docwolf]
haha
00:47:55 [docwolf]
wait, you're not kidding
00:48:02 [davb]
not at all.
00:48:06 [docwolf]
oh my god
00:48:10 [docwolf]
HP- P.2500U INKJET PRINTER USB WITH CABLE-RETAIL BOX. NEW
00:48:15 [docwolf]
$ 39
00:48:37 [davb]
walmart sells them in bubble packs on the endcaps.
00:48:47 [docwolf]
oh my god
00:48:51 [docwolf]
when did _that_ happen?
00:49:01 [davb]
probably right before christmas.
00:49:13 [docwolf]
wow
00:49:25 [davb]
obviously it is less expensive to throw away the printer, but hp is betting you just buy ink.
00:49:29 [rbm]
A printer for $39?!?!?!
00:49:30 [docwolf]
so, expect that if the walmart thing becomes popular
00:49:38 [docwolf]
you can buy a full PC for $300 bux
00:49:41 [docwolf]
and a printer for $40
00:49:44 [rbm]
docwolf: where's that?
00:50:04 [docwolf]
rbm: walmart has made the courageous decision to offer PCs without windows
00:50:08 [rbm]
I bought an Epson C60 for $80, free shipping.
00:50:21 [davb]
that I am sure is a 10x better printer.
00:50:30 [rbm]
docwolf: I saw that, but where are you seeing these prices? walmart.com?
00:50:38 [docwolf]
yeah
00:50:39 [docwolf]
walmart.coim
00:50:43 [docwolf]
they have one for $399
00:50:48 [rbm]
davb: It's a great printer. Parallel and USB, works perfectly on Linux.
00:50:50 [davb]
right at the local walmart the printer lives. I have seen it with my own eyes.
00:50:55 [docwolf]
but knowing walmart, that price will drop drastically over the course of a year
00:51:00 [docwolf]
they are totally brutal to their suppliers.
00:51:01 [rbm]
* rbm doesn't like HP inkjets. Been burned too many times by them.
00:51:32 [rbm]
My wife studied walmart on her Marketing class. Funny that Walmart was the biggest cause of productivity increase in the U.S.
00:51:42 [docwolf]
their management is superb
00:51:46 [docwolf]
they are super-cheap people
00:51:53 [rbm]
And their distribution system is awesome.
00:51:55 [docwolf]
and their IT is killer
00:52:03 [docwolf]
I hate what walmart has done to many towns
00:52:09 [docwolf]
but... they deserved their success.
00:52:20 [rbm]
It's really hard to compete.
00:52:56 [rbm]
Walmart recently became a supercenter here in Logan. Their parking lot is _always_ full. On saturdays it's insane.
00:53:04 [davb]
actually out local walmart has went way down hill. very little selection and ever poorer quality than usual.
00:53:09 [rbm]
Meanwhile, Kmart's parking lot, next door, is almost always empty.
00:54:57 [rbm]
moo
00:55:13 [rbm]
hmm.
00:55:16 [rbm]
rbm: moo
00:55:22 [rbm]
crp
00:55:25 [rbm]
s/crp/crap/
00:55:32 [rbm]
* rbm goes to eat
00:55:44 [rbm]
Oh wait, I have to check walmart.com first
00:56:52 [rbm]
docwolf: have a URL for me? Can't seem to find this killer deal
00:58:15 [rbm]
Woot!
00:58:26 [davb]
* davb battles css
01:01:10 [rbm]
anyone can recommend a good scanner?
01:01:27 [davb]
get one with a transparancy adapter
01:01:45 [davb]
I haven't had good luck with any of them really though.
01:02:34 [davb]
actually css acts correctly and punishes me for using incorrect syntax :(
01:03:04 [docwolf]
back
01:03:06 [docwolf]
url?
01:03:23 [docwolf]
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product_listing.gsp?path=0%3A3944%3A3951%3A41937%3A86796%3A86798&dept=3944&cat=86798&sb=61&bti=0
01:03:24 [chump]
C: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product_listing.gsp?path=0%3A3944%3A3951%3A41937%3A86796%3A86798&dept=3944&cat=86798&sb=61&bti=0 from docwolf
01:26:43 [rbm]
* rbm compiles a new xmame Debian package, with ALSA and multiplayer support
01:27:16 [rbm]
* rbm compila um novo pacote xmame, com suporte ALSA e multiplayer
01:27:22 [rbm]
ick
01:50:13 [vinod]
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02:00:25 [davb]
http://www.winterspeak.com/columns/022002.html
02:00:25 [chump]
D: http://www.winterspeak.com/columns/022002.html from davb
02:00:30 [davb]
D:|The Copyright Tax
02:00:30 [chump]
titled item D
02:01:07 [davb]
D: from [AaronSw|http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000171]
02:01:07 [chump]
commented item D
02:25:36 [jim]
back
02:26:12 [rbm]
up
02:27:03 [jim]
* jim copies the entire content to chump
02:27:21 [rbm]
paje: jim?
02:27:21 [paje]
rbm: bugger all, i dunno
02:28:36 [jim]
paje: jim is jim  (just ask apt!)
02:28:37 [paje]
OK, jim.
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02:29:02 [jim]
jim?
02:29:03 [paje]
hmmm... jim is jim  (just ask apt!)
02:30:09 [jim]
davb: another wp patch?
02:36:13 [davb]
hi
02:36:59 [davb]
I fixed the patch, but didn't upload.
02:38:07 [jim]
hi
02:38:07 [paje]
hi, jim
02:38:13 [jim]
hie
02:38:21 [jim]
hullo
02:38:25 [jim]
hello
02:38:28 [davb]
jim: do you want the updated patch. all it is is changing the packge_id to parent_id int he oracle/sql/wp-slim-create.sql
02:38:32 [davb]
paje: hi
02:38:33 [paje]
privet, davb
02:38:42 [davb]
paje: hi
02:38:42 [paje]
salut, davb
02:38:44 [davb]
paje: hi
02:38:44 [paje]
what's up, davb
02:38:55 [jim]
davb: is it a patch against a patch?
02:39:01 [davb]
no, a new patch.
02:39:05 [davb]
against the cvs.
02:39:08 [jim]
so it's against cvs
02:39:11 [jim]
ok...
02:39:25 [jim]
I get rid of it, blow it all away and do it again
02:39:54 [davb]
all you need to do is create or replace wp_presentation.new I think.
02:40:06 [davb]
but sometimes its easier to start over :)
02:40:27 [davb]
sorry for the stupid mistake.
02:40:52 [jim]
np :) this is a better test if I start over and apply the patch that's there
02:40:59 [davb]
right.
02:41:05 [jim]
(btw, the drop script ran without problems)
02:41:09 [rbm]
paje: insult jim
02:41:10 [paje]
jim is nothing but a plume-plucked ass-full of penguin-molesting red dye number-9.
02:41:31 [davb]
cool. it should not affect my changes. or rather my changes should not affect the drop script.
02:41:49 [jim]
insult paje
02:41:50 [paje]
paje is nothing but a plume-plucked ass-full of clapper-clawed yoo-hoo.
02:41:55 [davb]
should I email the new patch? instead of posting another untested on to the sdm :)
02:42:00 [davb]
paje excuse
02:42:01 [paje]
davb: Fanout dropping voltage too much, try cutting some of those little traces
02:42:21 [davb]
can paje spell?
02:42:33 [jim]
umm, one sec
02:42:46 [jim]
paje, spel spell
02:42:47 [paje]
jim: huh?
02:42:55 [jim]
paje, spell spel
02:42:55 [paje]
Possible spellings for spel: spell Opel spec sped spew
02:43:06 [rbm]
paje \is smart
02:43:07 [paje]
rbm: i'm not following you...
02:43:20 [jim]
paje, follow rbm
02:43:21 [paje]
jim: what?
02:44:01 [jim]
you guys went and didit... you made a too-fun bot
02:44:50 [davb]
paje chump records URLs and stores them at http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog/
02:44:50 [paje]
davb: excuse me?
02:44:53 [davb]
darn
02:45:17 [jim]
* jim knits
02:45:52 [davb]
jim?
02:45:52 [paje]
jim is probably jim  (just ask apt!)
02:46:39 [jim]
paje, chump is a bot that keeps track of URLS, the logs can be found at http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog/
02:46:39 [paje]
OK, jim.
02:46:50 [jim]
chump?
02:46:50 [paje]
chump is, like, a bot that keeps track of URLS, the logs can be found at http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog/
02:46:53 [davb]
oh sure, he listens to you.
02:46:59 [davb]
cool
02:47:06 [jim]
I know he goeder :)
02:48:23 [jim]
paje, chump =~ s/$/ and foo./
02:48:24 [paje]
That doesn't contain '$', jim
02:48:58 [davb]
the xena/creature bot is pretty neat, but I don't know if it can remember stuff like that.
02:49:47 [davb]
more IE patches
02:50:04 [jim]
ok, I'm ready for the patch...
02:50:16 [davb]
ok, how shall I delvier it?
02:50:22 [jim]
umm, try this (dunno if it gonna work)
02:50:40 [jim]
/dcc send jim /path/to/wp-patch
02:50:50 [davb]
ok
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02:51:28 [davb]
oops
02:52:08 [jim]
actually, hang on one sec
02:52:13 [davb]
ok :)
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02:52:50 [davb]
woah
02:53:14 [aolserver]
* aolserver serves aol?
02:53:32 [aolserver]
* aolserver eats wp patches!
02:54:09 [jim]
/dcc send aolserver /path/to/wp-patch
02:54:44 [aolserver]
heyy! someone said my name!
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02:55:53 [aolserver]
gulp!
02:55:56 [aolserver]
burp!
02:56:04 [davb]
heh
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02:57:12 [davb]
thanks for testing this!
02:57:17 [rafa]
hi
02:57:17 [paje]
bonjour, rafa
02:57:26 [rafa]
bonjour
02:57:47 [talilee]
paje is no fun since this isn't a sex channel
02:57:59 [talilee]
paje would be really cool if someone tried to pick him up
02:57:59 [paje]
talilee: excuse me?
02:58:11 [talilee]
paje, where are you? do you have IM? what are your stats?
02:58:11 [paje]
no idea, talilee
02:58:36 [jim]
paje, webcam and netmeeting?
02:58:36 [paje]
wish i knew, jim
02:58:47 [talilee]
paje, any pics?
02:58:47 [paje]
bugger all, i dunno, talilee
02:59:46 [jim]
patch applied with no complaints/warnings
02:59:58 [rafa]
guys, some help on OACS?
03:00:13 [talilee]
no, sorry, wrong room rafa
03:00:20 [talilee]
we only talk IRC bots here
03:00:28 [talilee]
just kidding, btw
03:00:34 [talilee]
we also talk about vinod
03:00:51 [rafa]
that is cool talk (Vonod, I mean :)
03:00:52 [jim]
rafa: but only when he's here or not here :)
03:01:29 [rafa]
I have this newbie problkem with the redirect
03:01:54 [talilee]
rafa, you rafael calvo?
03:01:56 [rafa]
if file is not found it send me to the subsite page and
03:02:11 [rafa]
yes, you might have seen the post
03:02:39 [rafa]
did you change your alias Talli?
03:02:59 [talilee]
not really, this is an alternate. i think i'm still logged on in the office
03:03:21 [rafa]
thaks for the file you sent me some time ago...
03:03:30 [rafa]
s/thaks/thanks
03:03:37 [talilee]
oh, no prob
03:03:42 [talilee]
the page looks great!
03:04:15 [rafa]
It should get better though.... I am working on some document classification stuff
03:04:23 [rafa]
(my research area)
03:04:43 [rafa]
and will hopefully build something for OACS, well we have a demo
03:04:54 [rafa]
but the client doesn't want to release it yet
03:05:09 [rafa]
anyway I was trying to fix this problem
03:05:25 [rafa]
I don't get a 404, so what is the problem?
03:05:31 [talilee]
that problem is probably fixed in dotLRN
03:05:39 [talilee]
another reason they should have released the code already...
03:05:48 [jim]
davb: this time, no errors on data model install
03:06:07 [jim]
wuduidunow
03:06:10 [jim]
?
03:06:16 [rafa]
so you mean, is nit that I am missing something, it is a bug?
03:06:35 [talilee]
i imagine the subsite stuff ain't too strong in the current system
03:06:53 [rafa]
but I am not using subsite, I don't know why it send me there?
03:07:06 [talilee]
ah, dunno
03:07:51 [rafa]
when you want the error page to show up, do you just put it in the oacs init file, or somewhere else?
03:08:31 [rafa]
I mean the RP gets all the files, so 404 shouldn't really happen (?)
03:10:43 [rafa]
I just tried it on http://openacs.museatech.net/pp
03:10:51 [rafa]
and it does the right thing
03:11:00 [rafa]
so it is me..
03:15:10 [rafa]
rbm: how is the doc going?
03:17:03 [rbm]
rafa: doing some cleanup tonight "Open Architecture Community System" :-)
03:17:47 [rafa]
I like the name...
03:17:54 [rbm]
me too
03:17:59 [rafa]
do you have a new logo?
03:18:11 [jim]
davb: you still here? :)
03:18:17 [rbm]
rafa: not that I'm aware of
03:18:31 [davb]
* davb is here
03:18:43 [jim]
ok... what do I do now to test wp?
03:19:02 [davb]
create a new presentation
03:19:06 [jim]
(the data model got added no problem this time)
03:19:12 [davb]
excellent.
03:19:47 [rafa]
I will see if I can contribute a logo. I like the dog though
03:20:24 [davb]
they are having a mini lanaguage debate on speed between Perl, PHP and Java, and the smart people say, who cares the difference between 20 and 40 pages per second, hardware is cheap. developer time is expensive. ease of development is more important.
03:20:36 [jim]
ok, testing that a wp package instance can be deleted... yes, but this test was before creating anything
03:20:52 [talilee]
davb, what are you talking about?
03:21:03 [jim]
(i.e., created a wp instance, mounted, then deleted immediately)
03:21:39 [davb]
talilee: basically, the difference in speed between different platforms is not as important as the speed of the developer (ease of use, learning)
03:22:02 [talilee]
who is having the debate, though?
03:22:05 [davb]
and OpenACS gives you alot up front so customization cost is lower (or should be)
03:22:07 [davb]
cms-list
03:22:11 [talilee]
ah, ok
03:22:15 [rafa]
rbm: I am writing a short paper about OACS arch, hopefully you can give me some feedback
03:22:19 [jim]
uhoh, I accidently created a subsite instead of a wp
03:22:25 [davb]
heh
03:22:28 [jim]
tried to delete
03:22:30 [jim]
boom
03:22:31 [davb]
I hate when that happens.
03:22:40 [davb]
yes, very bad. can't do that with subsite.
03:23:21 [jim]
should be able to tho...
03:23:35 [jim]
well, nm, that problem is already known :)
03:24:55 [rbm]
rafa: okay
03:25:17 [rafa]
rbm: did you fix your visa problems?
03:25:19 [jim]
interesting... my patch was accepted?
03:28:05 [jim]
nope...
03:31:41 [jim]
wow, wp is really different
03:32:11 [jim]
much nicer ui for adding collaborators, groups easy to add
03:33:09 [rbm]
rafa: The INS returned me to student status in December.
03:33:14 [jim]
err, easy to add permissions to groups
03:33:28 [rbm]
jim: wp?
03:33:28 [paje]
it has been said that wp is really different
03:33:35 [jim]
wimpy point
03:33:43 [rbm]
oh, yes.
03:34:13 [jim]
status
03:34:23 [jim]
paje, status
03:34:24 [paje]
Since Thu Feb 21 16:53:00 2002, there have been 30 modifications and 33 questions. I have been awake for 3 hours, 43 minutes, 19 seconds this session, and currently reference 147 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode.
03:38:39 [jim]
listkeys f
03:38:54 [jim]
paje, listkeys f
03:38:55 [paje]
jim: sorry...
03:41:59 [jim]
davb: created presentation, no problem,,, created slide, no problem
03:44:36 [jim]
problem.
03:44:50 [davb]
uhoh
03:45:29 [jim]
I went to the / of my wp so you can follow where I go...
03:46:01 [jim]
I have a presentation, I click to edit it
03:46:57 [jim]
I see the list of two slides, I go to the show revisions link for one of them, still no problem
03:47:41 [jim]
but when I try to view a particular revision of a slide... boom
03:47:58 [davb]
ok. ever try that in oracle before? :)
03:48:02 [jim]
ora8.c:3930:ora_tcl_command: error in `OCIStmtExecute ()': ORA-00942: table or view does not exist
03:48:24 [davb]
ok, that sounds like an unrelated to my patch error...
03:48:27 [davb]
what page?
03:48:32 [jim]
well, most things in openacs/oracle I haven't tried until today
03:48:43 [jim]
http://dual:7000/wp/slide-revisions?slide_item_id=2720&pres_item_id=2712
03:48:43 [chump]
E: http://dual:7000/wp/slide-revisions?slide_item_id=2720&pres_item_id=2712 from jim
03:48:53 [jim]
dhump, forget E
03:49:16 [davb]
doesn't work.
03:49:28 [davb]
it would be a handy feature though :)
03:49:39 [davb]
what table does it say is missing?
03:50:16 [jim]
SQL:
03:50:17 [jim]
select i.live_revision as attach_id, a.display, i.name as file_name
03:50:17 [jim]
from cr_items i, !>>>!cd_wp_image_attachments a
03:50:17 [chump]
Label SQL not found.
03:50:35 [jim]
cd_wp_image_attachments
03:50:46 [jim]
thypo?
03:50:51 [jim]
err, typo?
03:50:52 [davb]
looks liek it.
03:50:59 [davb]
heh, its contaigious
03:51:03 [jim]
should it be cr_wp_image_attachments?
03:51:16 [davb]
i think so, but I can't find that query
03:51:25 [davb]
its not in slide-revisions-oracle.xql
03:52:05 [davb]
ah serve-slide-revision-oracle.xql
03:52:16 [jim]
/packages/wp-slim/www/serve-slide-revision.tcl
03:52:16 [jim]
?
03:52:36 [davb]
only in oracle version too :)
03:53:30 [jim]
did I get the corrected table name right?
03:53:45 [davb]
yes.
03:53:52 [davb]
another patch.
03:53:53 [davb]
:)
03:54:28 [davb]
anyway. can you go into sql*plus. to check the wp_presentation object was created correctly?
03:54:30 [jim]
ok, so this patch just fixes more problems
03:55:11 [jim]
I'm not sure I can tell :) can I shoot stuff at you?
03:57:26 [jim]
SQL> select * from wp_presentations;
03:57:33 [jim]
ORA-00942: table or view does not exist
03:58:02 [davb]
oh, that seems bad.
03:58:08 [jim]
cr_wp_presentations exists
03:59:20 [davb]
ok. that is weird, everything seems to be prefixed with cr
03:59:55 [davb]
anyway. I think you need to check acs_objects using the id of the presentation to see what the context_id is. it should not be -100
04:00:24 [davb]
I found this in the comments for the oracle sql: Presentations have no context_id....should they? Answer: Yes their context id should
04:00:25 [davb]
-- point to the package_id of the instance of this wimpy point.
04:00:25 [davb]
-- (There could be multiple instances.)
04:00:42 [davb]
duh. it took be 5 mins to change it. I can't believe that was wrong for so long.
04:00:55 [jim]
I've seen that comment before
04:01:09 [davb]
and I wasn't getting paid $$$ by aD to fix it :)
04:01:32 [jim]
should we have signed our lives away to them?
04:01:36 [talilee]
now davb, there's no use beating a dead horse...
04:01:42 [talilee]
unless you can get a laugh out of it
04:01:54 [talilee]
so, beat on!
04:02:04 [davb]
heh
04:02:15 [jim]
we'd be 0wn3ed by the vc fiends right now
04:02:18 [davb]
ok. you win.
04:03:48 [davb]
really though, it must have taken almost as long to write that in the comments as it did to fix it.
04:03:49 [jim]
SQL> select o.context_id from acs_objects o where o.object_id=2713;
04:03:49 [jim]
CONTEXT_ID
04:03:49 [jim]
----------
04:03:49 [jim]
2712
04:03:53 [davb]
cool!
04:04:27 [davb]
ok. I will submit my new patch to fix that context_id, then make another patch for the cd_wp_presentations bug.
04:04:48 [davb]
thanks a million!
04:05:08 [jim]
good idea... might even be a good idea to file a bug and attach the patch to the bug report
04:05:20 [jim]
you're welcome
04:05:59 [jim]
btw, even with oracle running...
04:06:08 [jim]
q-bert still runs well :)
04:06:40 [talilee]
this question may be heretical, but is SDM worth porting or should the app be scrapped and something just built from the ground up?
04:07:04 [talilee]
i've never been able to figure out how to use the things, and honestly i've spoken with very few who have.
04:07:14 [talilee]
* talilee waits to be barraged with stuff
04:07:43 [davb]
talilee: scrapped.
04:07:50 [jim]
given it hasn't been ported yet, we don't really know anymore how good it is
04:07:53 [davb]
A new pacakge using worklfow and ticket-tracker is the way to go.
04:07:57 [jim]
(no current data)
04:08:11 [davb]
* davb is not volunteering
04:08:29 [talilee]
davb, i agree. now we need to find a volunteer.... i think i know someone actually
04:08:32 [davb]
and file-storeage or something to accept the patches I think. also it needs to hook to CVS
04:08:48 [davb]
I lost my patch...
04:09:02 [davb]
oops, nm
04:09:04 [jim]
I still have it
04:09:25 [jim]
aww, the snake got the qbert!
04:09:53 [davb]
thanks. I found it and submitted it. tomorrow I'll do the other one.
04:10:25 [davb]
time to go. thanks again.
04:10:59 [talilee]
talk to you tomorrow davb
04:16:56 [davb]
bye
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04:36:33 [rafa]
any ideas about my problem? I am sure is pretty simple, but I can't find it.
05:04:49 [talilee]
rafa, i can't help you as i've never touched any tcl in my life.
05:04:57 [talilee]
but i'm sure the bboards would be of help :)
05:06:14 [rbm]
what's the problem?
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05:30:17 [rafa]
rbm: give me a couple of min. the bug is in the bboard
05:55:51 [rafa]
rbm:are you there?
05:56:38 [rbm]
yes
05:57:09 [rafa]
sorrey, the prob. is proably simple...
05:57:56 [rafa]
the page not found gives sends me to /www/subsite page
05:58:01 [rafa]
see http://ebt.ee.usyd.edu.au:8004/g
05:58:33 [rafa]
I changed the aolserver init and it points to the /global/file....html
05:58:51 [rafa]
ideas? what am I forgeting?
06:00:55 [rbm]
Have you looked under acs-admin?
06:01:12 [rbm]
I'm not ultra familiar with all the intracies of subsite
06:01:40 [rbm]
* rbm compila o Visual Package Builder da Corel por curiosidade
06:01:43 [rafa]
well I am not using subsite... and I did look at the parameters of mainsite in the admin
06:01:52 [rbm]
argh. sorry. wrong window.
06:02:13 [rafa]
:-)
06:02:30 [rafa]
I installed Komodo1.2 yesterday, have you tried it?
06:02:53 [rbm]
no.
06:03:02 [rbm]
That's the devel thing from activestate right?
06:03:09 [rafa]
yes
06:03:17 [rbm]
rafa: I don't know about your problem... sorry.
06:03:45 [rafa]
ok, thanks
06:10:50 [hazmat]
rafa, komodo is fairly cool if you're doing cross-language dev (esp. xsl) but otherwise its too slow imo...
06:56:49 [rbm]
* rbm goes to bed
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13:26:58 [davb]
Hi al
13:28:41 [davb]
s/al/all
13:32:15 [davb]
Reading on the Web
13:32:17 [davb]
oops
13:32:22 [davb]
http://members.aol.com/ddpattison/reading.html
13:32:22 [chump]
F: http://members.aol.com/ddpattison/reading.html from davb
13:32:28 [davb]
F:|Reading on the Web
13:32:29 [chump]
titled item F
13:33:45 [davb]
F:", there are three strategies for designing websites or webpages: visual, informational, narrative"
13:33:45 [chump]
commented item F
13:35:23 [davb]
F: very informative, way more useful than the standard Nielsen "readers are dumb"
13:35:23 [chump]
commented item F
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13:49:06 [davb]
http://www.eastgate.com/patterns/Patterns.html
13:49:06 [chump]
G: http://www.eastgate.com/patterns/Patterns.html from davb
13:49:14 [davb]
G:|Patterns of Hyptertext
13:49:14 [chump]
titled item G
14:19:14 [davb]
yeah!
14:19:41 [davb]
I got 404s working by turning off the directory listing in the .tcl config file. I don't wan't directory listings anyway.
14:20:03 [davb]
I wonder if the 404 can by an adp/tcl template.
14:21:46 [davb]
it seems not. darn
15:00:20 [davb]
all right. etp::get_content_items is not working the same outside of the etp tree.
15:03:22 [davb]
its running a different query for some reason, I am calling it with the same parameters.
15:03:46 [davb]
including the correct -package_id for the etp instance I want to get the data from
15:09:14 [davb]
ok. I submitted the patch for cd_wp_prensentations typo
15:13:11 [davb]
never mind about the etp stuff. I just was finding the wrong query...
15:27:36 [davb]
its using the wrong parent_id in the query.
15:28:15 [davb]
aha. the package_id is being used as an extended attribute instead of the package_id
15:28:57 [davb]
yippee! A misplaced space.
16:14:23 [davb]
http://www.ektron.com/ewebeditpro.cfm
16:14:23 [chump]
H: http://www.ektron.com/ewebeditpro.cfm from davb
16:14:30 [davb]
H:|eWebEditPro
16:14:30 [chump]
titled item H
16:14:50 [davb]
H: very powerful WYSIWYG editor, non-free
16:14:50 [chump]
commented item H
16:15:27 [davb]
H: works with IE and Netscape 4 or higher!
16:15:28 [chump]
commented item H
16:15:52 [davb]
H: no Mac browser support :( , looks like not even IE mac is supported.
16:15:52 [chump]
commented item H
16:16:37 [davb]
H: ack, make the Windows clients only. Must be active X
16:16:37 [chump]
commented item H
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16:35:48 [talilee]
hey guys
16:35:53 [davb]
hi talilee!
16:35:59 [talilee]
how's it going davb?
16:36:09 [davb]
good. I am rebuilding my site with openacs 4 and css.
16:36:16 [davb]
etp rocks btw :)
16:36:35 [talilee]
nice
16:36:37 [talilee]
good to hear
16:36:54 [talilee]
i need to find out what the status is on the rebuild. you may want to ping luke about it
16:37:01 [davb]
I need to work on some more docs when I am done. there is alot of information hidden in the code :)
16:37:04 [talilee]
i know he and jun have discussed rebuilding some of the pieces
16:37:10 [davb]
Yes I should.
16:37:25 [davb]
But I figure I will rebuild my personal site more than once, so I will just go for it :)
16:37:44 [talilee]
good point
16:38:06 [davb]
plus if it breaks, it won't be a big deal :)
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16:50:31 [talilee]
yo markd2
16:50:35 [markd2]
wow. full house today
16:50:44 [talilee]
half of them are bots
16:50:50 [talilee]
paje, say hello to markd2
16:50:58 [davb]
paje: insult talli
16:50:58 [paje]
talli is nothing but an hasty-witted stack of malodorous bat toenails.
16:51:05 [markd2]
heh
16:51:05 [talilee]
hey now
16:51:12 [markd2]
paje: 5 + 7
16:51:13 [paje]
12
16:51:19 [davb]
its infobot
16:51:19 [talilee]
paje, would you like to come over and "feed my fish"?
16:51:20 [paje]
bugger all, i dunno, talilee
16:51:21 [markd2]
karma tallee?
16:51:21 [paje]
tallee has neutral karma
16:51:29 [markd2]
literal tallee
16:51:35 [davb]
paje: excuse
16:51:36 [paje]
davb: You need to upgrade your VESA local bus to a MasterCard local bus.
16:51:42 [markd2]
tallee is a vinod lover
16:51:44 [markd2]
tallee?
16:51:44 [paje]
tallee is a vinod lover
16:51:53 [talilee]
oh man
16:51:55 [davb]
chump?
16:51:56 [paje]
hmmm... chump is a bot that keeps track of URLS, the logs can be found at http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog/
16:51:56 [rbm]
hey, full house!
16:51:59 [talilee]
good thing i'm talilee
16:52:15 [rbm]
Or is it a straight flush? :)
16:52:21 [markd2]
talilee is a vinod lover
16:52:32 [talilee]
oh... them's fightin' words markd2
16:52:33 [markd2]
talilee is also | a ballie locking the ear twist
16:52:33 [paje]
okay, markd2.
16:52:37 [markd2]
talilee?
16:52:37 [paje]
talilee is probably a vinod lover
16:52:38 [markd2]
talilee?
16:52:38 [paje]
somebody said talilee was a ballie locking the ear twist
16:52:53 [markd2]
paje again! is <action> spanks talilee
16:52:54 [paje]
OK, markd2.
16:52:56 [markd2]
paje: again!
16:52:56 [paje]
* paje spanks talilee
16:52:58 [talilee]
and proud of it!
16:53:07 [talilee]
oh, now we're getting somewhere!
16:53:07 [davb]
how much do you hate this design so far? http://24.58.162.46:8001
16:53:14 [rbm]
markd2 sure knows about paje :)
16:53:22 [talilee]
that's a cool design
16:53:26 [markd2]
wplug has an infobot
16:53:27 [talilee]
i kinda like it
16:53:30 [markd2]
it rules
16:53:55 [davb]
thanks. I want to eventually have to suck photos out of photodb and sprinkle them around the home page
16:54:01 [talilee]
davb, how far from done is it?
16:54:11 [davb]
that is just the home page :).
16:54:14 [talilee]
i think the design experience up top needs a little sompin sumpin
16:54:15 [rbm]
paje: slashdot
16:54:16 [paje]
Slashdot - Updated 2002-02-22 16:30:05 | The Skeptical Environmentalist | Linux *Won't* Fail on the Desktop? | On the Subject of OpenGL 2.0 | Blizzard, Bnetd Respond on Bnetd Shutdown
16:54:21 [davb]
I will put it up soon.
16:54:35 [davb]
yeah. I will add a logo and some more navigation to the etp sections.
16:54:45 [rbm]
davb: looks nice. The pictures are kinda small though.
16:54:47 [davb]
also I want a custom 404 page that has a search box.
16:54:48 [talilee]
cool. how long did it take to build with etp?
16:55:02 [davb]
talilee: 10 mins. I was dorking around with the css for hours though :)
16:55:11 [talilee]
whoa. nice
16:55:21 [davb]
I imported all my old weblog into etp. that took a while to get right.
16:55:32 [talilee]
yeah... import is a nasty job
16:55:41 [talilee]
that's how ross perot got his billions - data migration
16:55:58 [talilee]
just get some monkeys to move data from one place to another. the job no self-respecting primate would do.
16:56:01 [davb]
ah. yeah we are doing it at work (data migration) from hell to hell sqaured.
16:56:18 [davb]
dbase III-alike to access
16:56:26 [talilee]
ouch!
16:56:36 [davb]
we are almost done though.
16:56:41 [talilee]
do you need to just migrate the code or the whole db?
16:56:53 [talilee]
check out an app called EZdezign
16:56:56 [davb]
it is being recoded. the application is pretty complex.
16:57:02 [davb]
is it free? we are cheap.
16:57:06 [davb]
:)
16:57:07 [talilee]
it can reverse engineer a DBIII data model
16:57:16 [davb]
ah, kinda late for that now, but thanks!
16:57:17 [talilee]
the demo is free, but the app is also pretty cheap
16:57:20 [talilee]
ah, ok
16:57:26 [davb]
we hired consultants instead.
16:57:41 [davb]
also out old data model really, really sucked.
16:57:43 [talilee]
ah. i think it's a bit cheaper than that :)
16:58:07 [talilee]
well, it reverse engineers it into entity relatiopnship diagrams
16:58:17 [talilee]
which are helpful to figure out just how much the data models sucks
16:58:29 [davb]
you can not possibly imagine.
16:58:41 [davb]
luckily its really not that big an application.
16:59:25 [talilee]
where's that bastard shagster, btw? i gotta a question for him...
16:59:32 [davb]
nice comeback on the bboard.
16:59:36 [davb]
talli that is.
17:00:08 [davb]
hmmm. I think I need a custom query to extract all the etp instances and provide links to them...
17:00:14 [talilee]
thanks davb
17:00:33 [talilee]
i don't think peter has any idea how much he annoys people in OACS
17:00:48 [talilee]
at least how offensive his suggestions on the boards are
17:03:15 [talilee]
you know, with all this stuff about Mono and Gnome, i'm surprised no one is talking abotu portable.NET, the dotGNU project
17:03:34 [talilee]
which is seemingly keeping up with mono, even though it's being totally built by just one guy
17:03:42 [hazmat]
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17:03:45 [hazmat]
good morning
17:04:01 [talilee]
he's working full time and he started six months earlier, but he bootstrapped on linux and is writing the app in C
17:04:06 [talilee]
hey hazmat
17:04:10 [talilee]
i was going to ping you...
17:04:14 [hazmat]
ack
17:04:24 [talilee]
i saw there was a gig in DC for a nonprofit looking for a zope developer
17:04:44 [talilee]
i saw it a couple of days ago... lemme see if i can find the info for you. actually, are you still paying attention to nosi?
17:04:56 [hazmat]
yup. i just applied yesterday. the person leaving the post said they would give me a recommendation.
17:05:02 [talilee]
oh, cool
17:05:07 [talilee]
what's the gig?
17:05:09 [davb]
til: didn't you code the group_member_p already? someone on the bboard made one for oracle.
17:05:12 [talilee]
nosi is a mess, btw
17:05:18 [hazmat]
we were competing for the same job actually, he got it, but he's more qualified now anyways.
17:05:26 [talilee]
at least from what i can gather. a bunch of chickens with their head cut off
17:05:39 [til]
* til wakes up
17:05:42 [hazmat]
the job would be doing web development for a legal defense for the poor.
17:05:47 [talilee]
ah, cool
17:05:56 [hazmat]
i can't write english this morning too well...
17:05:58 [talilee]
is it mostly a CMS app?
17:06:04 [til]
davb: no, i was just talking about it ... someone with the nick xemacs5 here said he did it
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17:06:18 [davb]
til: ah. thanks. sorry to wake you up :)
17:06:21 [hazmat]
mainly, its a lot of different things. mainly cms info portal, multiple sites.
17:06:31 [talilee]
hazmat, have you been paying attention to nosi? what do you think?
17:06:44 [til]
waking up is a good thing, sometimes at least
17:06:48 [hazmat]
i remember watching it a while ago, its fizzled much as of recent.
17:07:00 [til]
you know who xemacs5 is?
17:07:11 [til]
a very old editor?
17:07:13 [hazmat]
i wanted to clarify the write up of some my comments from the phone conversation we had last july.
17:07:16 [davb]
I think I did, but forgot :)
17:07:21 [hazmat]
but i never got arround to it ;)
17:08:23 [hazmat]
theres alot of people like that. i was suprised when originally everyone was so astute @ nosi... i think openacs and zope are the cream of the crop when it comes to open source web dev.
17:09:03 [talilee]
hazmat, that's certainly so. the prob with nosi is that no one understands what the hell open source and free software is
17:09:36 [talilee]
it just sounds like a nice idea, but they don't really understand the philosophical underpinnings that are pretty critical to software dev
17:09:56 [til]
nosi?
17:09:56 [paje]
rumour has it nosi is a mess, btw
17:10:17 [talilee]
uhm, that's seriously not a good thing to have the bot say
17:10:27 [talilee]
can we get rid of the thing, actually? he's kind of annoying
17:10:50 [rbm]
talilee: :) I can make it so he only responds when addressed.
17:11:06 [rbm]
or if people are not happy, put him to sleep
17:11:14 [talilee]
yeah, only when addressed
17:11:17 [davb]
also tali: that is logged :)
17:11:27 [talilee]
what he just said is not a good thing to be logged, at least for me
17:11:28 [rbm]
paje: forget nosi
17:11:29 [paje]
rbm: I forgot nosi
17:11:30 [til]
i asked paje in private before but thought i'd share his opinion on nosi
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17:11:54 [davb]
will paje pick up stuff that is after #
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17:12:20 [davb]
argh: the gimp interface is just enough different to seriously annoy photoshop users.
17:12:21 [rbm]
hmm. that didn't do it.
17:12:25 [talilee]
well, nosi is something that i'm at least peripherally involved in. and i've made it pretty clear i think it's a mess. but i don't want it to be made a canonical joke
17:12:37 [davb]
ah.
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17:13:03 [til]
ok, sorry
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17:13:31 [rbm]
talilee: there you go. Now paje is in address mode.
17:13:44 [talilee]
thanks
17:13:55 [davb]
so it only remembers if you say paje: etc...
17:13:57 [davb]
?
17:14:52 [rbm]
davb: It only talks when you address him, but it listens :)
17:14:57 [rbm]
time?
17:15:00 [davb]
ok.
17:15:01 [rbm]
won't work, but
17:15:03 [rbm]
paje: time?
17:15:03 [paje]
Fri Feb 22 10:16:58 2002
17:15:05 [rbm]
will.
17:15:34 [talilee]
rbm, you may want to ask paje to specify the time zone, too ;)
17:15:39 [talilee]
i've got 12:15
17:15:44 [rbm]
talilee: I guess :)
17:16:38 [davb]
ok, spiffy logo will have to wait until I can access photoshop :(
17:21:00 [davb]
thats is good enough http://24.58.162.46:8001
17:22:20 [talilee]
davb, i'm having issues with your CSS on mozilla on win
17:22:41 [talilee]
if you shrink the browser, the text runs onto the pages
17:23:07 [davb]
really? its pretty simple. hmmm. it shouldn't do that.
17:23:26 [davb]
IE, must be breaking the rules, or assuming something :)
17:23:45 [davb]
the text should pop underneath the photos...
17:24:27 [rbm]
It happens on mozilla 0.9.8 Linux as swell.
17:25:42 [davb]
I expect mozilla is right.
17:25:46 [til]
opera/linux too ...
17:25:50 [davb]
darnies.
17:26:12 [rbm]
Anyone have experience with Qt and Gtk?
17:26:16 [davb]
that means I will have to wait until after the weekend to convert. I won't have time to test on mozilla until then.
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17:32:26 [hazmat]
rbm,yes to both.
17:35:00 [hazmat]
rbm, did you have a question regarding them...
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17:45:40 [rbm]
hazmat: Yes, what can you tell me about them?
17:45:46 [rbm]
pros & cons
17:46:00 [rbm]
and which is better when used with python.
17:46:04 [hazmat]
are you programming in native languages (c++ and c)
17:46:06 [hazmat]
ah.
17:46:17 [hazmat]
what platforms are you targeting?
17:46:18 [rbm]
I was hoping to use Python, but I'll probably use native langs as well.
17:46:37 [rbm]
hazmat: Windows and Linux. Macs (< 10) would be a bonus.
17:49:25 [hazmat]
well personally i like the qt api alot, its clean and well designed, but its problematic deploying for multiple platforms. for qtv3 the python windows bindings aren't completly ready (plus additonal licensing concerns), but their is the added benefit that it works on embedded devices like the ipaq and sharp zaurus. the python bindings are nice, and programming it in c++ is nice as well (alot of this is subjective).
17:50:50 [rbm]
okay. Good to know. And Gtk?
17:54:03 [hazmat]
wxwindows/wxpython should also get consideration.
17:54:51 [hazmat]
my biggest problem with wx, is that it feels rather clunky but it was designed after MFC so it inherits alot of the same feel to assist transition for MFC programmers.
17:55:00 [hazmat]
clunky from api perspective.
17:56:48 [hazmat]
hth
17:57:19 [talilee]
qt is now GPL compliant?
17:57:23 [talilee]
is that true?
17:57:46 [rbm]
hazmat: I've considered wmWindows/wxPython. But it didn't work well on Macs (wxPython that is)
17:57:51 [hazmat]
qt on unix and embedded platforms is gpl licensed (dual licensed) actually.
17:58:09 [rbm]
hazmat: Didn't they GPL the windows version as well?
17:58:11 [talilee]
so it's not free on win? what is the scheme on win?
17:58:16 [hazmat]
none of those toolkits works well on mac versions less than X
17:58:21 [hazmat]
if at all.
17:58:47 [hazmat]
they have a semi-free (non-commericial usage) for windows for qt 2.3.2 not qtv3
17:59:06 [talilee]
what is qtv3 under?
17:59:08 [hazmat]
its only gpl compatible if you make a license alteration which they detail on site.
17:59:35 [hazmat]
qtv3 is gpl on unix
17:59:38 [talilee]
so if you're not building proprietary apps, it's gpl?
17:59:44 [davb]
http://www.unclebear.com/freerpgs/
17:59:45 [chump]
I: http://www.unclebear.com/freerpgs/ from davb
17:59:50 [davb]
I:| Free RPGs
17:59:51 [chump]
titled item I
18:00:01 [hazmat]
if you're not buying a separate license than its gpl.
18:00:27 [talilee]
well, let me ask it this way then...
18:00:54 [hazmat]
nothing to say an opensource project from buying a license and distributing cross-platform that i'm aware of, but i'm not a lawyer.
18:01:01 [talilee]
if someone were to build a gui config utility for OACS (not a project, a thought i had this morn) could you use qt as free software?
18:01:02 [hazmat]
s/say/stop
18:01:13 [hazmat]
for unix
18:01:27 [talilee]
and for win?
18:01:42 [hazmat]
odd, i'm doing a bit of the samething right now for zope3 (a gui configurator for xml files) and just went through these questions.
18:01:46 [rbm]
For win, you could use qt 2.3 for free.
18:02:04 [rbm]
But not 3.0
18:02:06 [hazmat]
if you make a license alteration.
18:02:15 [talilee]
what kind of license alteration?
18:02:16 [hazmat]
assuming the original was gpl
18:02:54 [talilee]
well, everything would be GPL, so the question is only if qt would be available for use
18:03:19 [talilee]
btw, i had lunch with bradley kuhn, vp of the FSF, and ravi kanna, the new development director of the FSF, the other day
18:03:27 [talilee]
it was a lot of fun. good guys. bradley is a cool geek
18:03:37 [hazmat]
one other thing distributing wxpython and gtk python is a bit easier since there are binaries for windows. the pyqt binaries also require separate distribution of a qt dll while the others include dlls for their underlying toolkits.
18:03:54 [talilee]
they are becoming aware of the OACS, and are interested in getting involved to bridge a lot of gaps between similar projects
18:04:17 [hazmat]
cool.
18:04:46 [rbm]
hazmat: And Gtk?
18:04:52 [rbm]
hazmat: pros & cons?
18:05:03 [talilee]
gtk is fully gpl, right? no questions?
18:05:07 [hazmat]
didn't i already do that?
18:05:09 [hazmat]
lgpl
18:05:16 [talilee]
ah, cool
18:05:19 [talilee]
cross platform/
18:05:20 [talilee]
?
18:05:27 [rbm]
hazmat: not that I can see.
18:06:03 [hazmat]
gtk xp - win32 (still a little flakey), unix, mac osx (i've heard rumors)
18:06:24 [rbm]
hazmat: You did wx and told m about the binaries for windows. But I was more interested in how good the toolkit is
18:06:39 [hazmat]
did you see that?
18:07:07 [hazmat]
gtk, programming it in c is a bitch imo. macro hell, which granted can happen to any sufficiently large c app, and alot of casting. fortunately the python bindings hide most of that from you. in python the system is very nice. the one thing is that you don't get native widgets which qt and wxpython would give you for windows. also i'm not sure what state the mac port is in, though i've heard rumors of its existence. the wingide.
18:07:09 [rbm]
hazmat: e.g. I knew the Qt API is very clean and nice, and the licensing info was good. But how's GTK's api? I heard it was a messy thing.
18:07:10 [hazmat]
yah.
18:07:24 [hazmat]
sorry if i spammed. chatzilla was being wierd.
18:08:28 [rbm]
If I were to do Python+Qt, I would look into purchasing BlackAdder, from theKompany because my boss won't live without a GUI builder.
18:08:58 [hazmat]
out of curosity where do you work?
18:08:59 [talilee]
blackadder seemed like a cool tool
18:09:40 [hazmat]
i'd rather use wingide for python coding and qtdesigner for a gui builder.
18:09:59 [hazmat]
besides it cheaper ;)
18:10:00 [talilee]
my one problem with the Kompany is that the association with anything that starts with K in america is with the KKK
18:10:06 [rbm]
hazmat: I work for the USU Space Dynamics Lab. We're going to build some apps for the Utah State Office of Education and the Utah Department of Health. We just finished one ACS 4.x Classic app for the Utah Office of Education.
18:10:43 [talilee]
i guess their german, right? i'm not suggesting nazism, just that their not in the US and would miss that
18:10:58 [hazmat]
i have problems with the Kompany , mainly because i bought one of their programs kapital, and it sucked... crashed consistently, not where i want to put my finances.
18:10:59 [talilee]
at least Konquerer, Kompany, etc.
18:11:07 [rbm]
hazmat: But BlackAdder gives you Win Qt license.
18:11:09 [hazmat]
their based out of socal
18:11:17 [hazmat]
they have employees all over the world.
18:13:06 [hazmat]
rbm: this is true, but its only qt2.2.4 (from website) so if you want the data access stuff from qtv3...
18:13:36 [rbm]
hazmat: Not really. I was looking into using gadfly or something like that.
18:14:04 [hazmat]
um.. you'd be better off with the zodb, imo.
18:14:50 [rbm]
hazmat: It'll be small apps. How big is zodb?
18:15:08 [rbm]
hazmat: And would I need zodb running as a daemon or something?
18:15:20 [hazmat]
small. its embedded within the app.
18:15:32 [rbm]
hazmat: Ah, good. Thanks for the tip then.
18:16:37 [hazmat]
it gives you transactions and more transparent persistence as major advantages and it allows multi-threaded programming.
18:16:44 [hazmat]
www.amk.ca has a tutorial
18:17:37 [hazmat]
well its been fun, but i should do some work today ;) cheers
18:17:57 [rbm]
thanks hazmat
18:18:59 [hazmat]
np
18:22:46 [til]
rbm: i found tcl/tk very useful to do cross platform gui's ... although it's propably better suited for the small- quick hack kind of project
18:23:54 [til]
also via tcl lists it's easy to interface it to an openacs server
18:25:38 [rbm]
til: Yes, I've considered Tk as well, especially since it works on Macs and there are no licensing issues.
18:31:09 [til]
particularily nice i found the interactive features of wish, so that one can manipulate the running programm via a shell ... is python capable of something comparable?
18:33:21 [rbm]
til: Yes, and more.
18:34:02 [hazmat]
btw. regarding pygtk (i'm investigating for a possible switch in toolkit), the windows version doesn't handle threading too well apparently.
18:34:35 [hazmat]
which only relates to multiple threads updating the gui not multiple threads in a program per say.
18:35:10 [talilee]
does qt run all right on GNOME?
18:36:07 [talilee]
where is that bastard denshi when you need him?
18:36:43 [hazmat]
talilee: yes
18:37:21 [talilee]
thanks hazmat
18:39:13 [talilee]
apropos of htis convo, check out the latest article on slasdhot
18:39:16 [talilee]
paje, slashdot
18:39:17 [paje]
Slashdot - Updated 2002-02-22 18:10:21 | Coding with KParts | Lawsuit Over Crippled Charley Pride Music Disks Settled | The Skeptical Environmentalist | Linux *Won't* Fail on the Desktop?
18:56:38 [rbm]
hazmat: have you looked at gconf?
18:56:46 [hazmat]
no
19:00:39 [rbm]
hazmat: ok
19:00:44 [rbm]
brb
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20:40:40 [denshi]
all hail the coming of the bastard.
20:41:34 [vinod]
* vinod hails
20:43:17 [denshi]
I can't talk too much today, but I want to throw out a question, in response to Don's version number question: -- should we call the release 5.0?
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20:57:55 [jim]
rbm: ayh?
21:03:18 [jim]
rbm: I'll just put this out so you can see it... gonna have lunch in a sec...
21:04:42 [jim]
rbm: I have located a debian developer in Salt Lake City, UT who is happy to sign your key... within a few limitations, he's very flexible and available to do so. When you get back, I'll give you the details
21:04:44 [rbm]
jim: hey
21:04:54 [jim]
ok, you're here :)
21:05:02 [rbm]
Just arrived at work
21:05:04 [jim]
I just got off the phone with him
21:05:11 [rbm]
jim: Oh cool.
21:05:19 [jim]
he says:
21:05:39 [jim]
- does open-source business and contract work out of his ome
21:05:42 [jim]
home
21:05:43 [rbm]
I have a friend here at the univ. who's also applying to be a DD. He said he got his key signed by someone in SLC but I thought he had said the guy was passing by SLC.
21:06:25 [rbm]
jim: Is that a question?
21:06:31 [jim]
- was president of linux users group in his area
21:06:58 [jim]
- has home address publicised, as well as his phone number
21:07:51 [jim]
so, I can give you those things now, and you should make arrangements with him to get your key signed
21:08:49 [jim]
if you're in SLC now or will be today, you could probably drop by his house
21:09:00 [jim]
or, at the next user group meeting
21:09:55 [jim]
but if user group meeting, let him know in advance so he can have his laptop with his key stuff ready
21:10:18 [jim]
how do you want to proceed?
21:11:00 [rbm]
jim: Either. Does he want to come to _our_ user group meetings?
21:11:11 [rbm]
I was thinking of going to SLC tomorrow morning.
21:11:18 [jim]
you'll have to ask him :)
21:11:23 [rbm]
I'm not in SLC now.
21:11:25 [jim]
what meeting?
21:11:33 [rbm]
We're having an install fest tomorrow
21:12:08 [jim]
given I just got off the phone with him, good chance he might be available to make arrangements with now
21:12:56 [jim]
he also said it's possible he'd need a few days advance notice
21:13:21 [jim]
but...
21:13:26 [jim]
wanna call him?
21:13:35 [rbm]
jim: what about someone applying for DD that already has had his key signed by a DD? Can he sign my key?
21:13:54 [jim]
yes
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21:15:35 [jim]
I dunno if the "web of trust" extends in that manner in the case of not-debian-devel-yet, but you can apply and work on the signatures as you go
21:17:04 [rbm]
jim: Sure, I'll give him a call.
21:17:12 [rbm]
/msg me his phone #
21:17:15 [talilee]
denshi, you there?
21:17:18 [jim]
ok
21:19:52 [denshi]
yup
21:19:58 [talilee]
hey
21:20:18 [talilee]
i wanted to talk to you about building a GUI config for AOLserver
21:20:44 [denshi]
let me push it off for a few minutes
21:20:51 [talilee]
ok
21:21:52 [rbm]
jim: Thanks. Put it in my Visor.
21:22:27 [jim]
talilee: might also think about debian configuration... there is a special interface for doing that called debconf...
21:22:52 [talilee]
that sounds cool
21:23:06 [jim]
(i.e., a package such as aolserver or openacs can get its config information from the debconf interface)
21:23:20 [talilee]
GUI?
21:23:55 [talilee]
and what if the configurator runs on something other than debian?
21:24:02 [jim]
the debconf interface can do about 4 or 5 different styles of ui
21:24:17 [talilee]
windows, etc. or if aolserver is run on someting other than debian? is debconf portable?
21:25:10 [jim]
it may be possible to factor in such a manner that would allow you to grab info from debconf or from a separate source
21:25:32 [jim]
I'm not personally familiar with debconf...
21:25:47 [jim]
but I have to learn it sometime anyway
21:26:46 [jim]
so I'm willing to try squeezing it in after I learn iptables, and content repository
21:26:58 [talilee]
haha
21:27:10 [talilee]
that sounds like a decent idea
21:27:40 [talilee]
but from what i understand aolserver is nice because its configuration scripts are single centrally located files
21:27:55 [talilee]
why couldn't those be connected directly?
21:28:10 [jim]
also nice is that you can factor into many files...
21:28:10 [talilee]
especially if debconf doesn't port to bsd
21:29:17 [jim]
did you already mention your targets? win, linux, bsd, mac?
21:29:28 [talilee]
all of the above
21:29:36 [jim]
mac osx and mac < osx?
21:29:43 [talilee]
i didn't mention the targets, but the gui would have to run on windows for sure
21:29:50 [talilee]
that would be the number one target, actually
21:29:59 [jim]
mac < osx?
21:30:03 [talilee]
it may be that a browser solution would be better
21:30:10 [talilee]
no, i don't think less than osx would be a big deal
21:30:24 [jim]
oic,
21:30:39 [jim]
I can't follow a conversation :)
21:30:48 [jim]
win is your #1 target
21:30:57 [jim]
what about cygwin?
21:31:17 [talilee]
this is a configuration thing, not something to run aolserver
21:31:26 [talilee]
so it would connect to the server
21:31:33 [talilee]
which would be a linux box
21:31:46 [talilee]
but the interface would be on a lcient
21:32:01 [talilee]
so like i said, a java or browser app would probably be better
21:32:41 [talilee]
oh, and cygwin should be avoided for the class of user i'm talking about.
21:33:35 [hazmat]
is this a rehash of the gui toolkit discussion from earlier today?
21:33:42 [talilee]
no
21:33:54 [talilee]
but it's the reason i was asking all the questions
21:38:58 [jim]
ohh, I see
21:39:14 [jim]
the server would always be a linux box?
21:39:27 [rbm]
talilee: How about just using the ns/admin web interface that went away with 3.x but that was revived by somebody else?
21:39:28 [hazmat]
communication over xml-rpc ?
21:39:57 [rbm]
talilee: That way the config thing would run on any browser with no Java crap.
21:39:57 [talilee]
rbm, didn't know that existed
21:40:08 [talilee]
rbm, where is it?
21:40:15 [rbm]
talilee: Oh, You didn't use AOLserver 2.x?
21:40:24 [talilee]
nope
21:40:56 [rbm]
talilee: With ns/admin you could configure all of AOLserver and its modules. It has excellent help, even separated by novice, medium, expert.
21:41:12 [talilee]
rbm, that's cool
21:41:21 [talilee]
sounds like what i'm looking for
21:41:29 [rbm]
talilee: I don't remember where it's at. Do a search at the AOLserver mailing list. The guy who made the port to 3.x posted it there.
21:41:53 [rbm]
talilee: Or go to Michael Cleverly's Community UberSearch: http://www.cleverly.com/aolserver/
21:43:19 [jim]
is that the thing with the default passwd of x?
21:44:40 [talilee]
all right, gotta take a shower (finally) talk to you guys later
21:44:43 [talilee]
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21:45:50 [rbm]
jim: No. That's the control port.
21:46:34 [rbm]
Phew! Things smell cleaner now that talilee has left :) (NOTICE: just a joke because Tali just said "<talilee> all right, gotta take a shower (finally) talk to you guys later")
21:46:50 [rbm]
Gotta be careful with these logged things.
21:53:02 [denshi]
at least rbm still has a future political career...
21:55:36 [k2pts]
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21:58:20 [rbm]
denshi: :)
21:58:37 [k2pts]
hi roberto, how's it going?
21:59:46 [hazmat]
hi k2pt2!
21:59:58 [k2pts]
hazmat: how's it going? long time no see
22:00:52 [hazmat]
going pretty well, i've been on vacation for little while. just getting back into work mode.
22:00:57 [talilee]
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22:01:03 [k2pts]
hey talli
22:01:08 [talilee]
hey k2pts
22:06:53 [rbm]
hey k2pts
22:07:07 [rbm]
paje: nickometer k2pts
22:07:08 [paje]
'k2pts' is 22% lame, rbm
22:07:29 [denshi]
paje: nickometer talilee
22:07:29 [paje]
'talilee' is 0% lame, denshi
22:07:35 [denshi]
wow.
22:07:45 [k2pts]
what does lame means? :)
22:07:51 [denshi]
paje: nickometer denshi
22:07:52 [paje]
'denshi' is 0% lame, denshi
22:07:55 [denshi]
heh.
22:08:18 [denshi]
lame means........ passe, cliched, and slightly dorky?
22:08:35 [rbm]
nickometer just calculates how lame a nick in.
22:08:44 [rbm]
s/in/is/
22:08:52 [denshi]
paje: google dictionary lame
22:08:52 [paje]
denshi: i'm not following you...
22:08:54 [rbm]
paje: nickometer t3RR1f1c
22:08:54 [paje]
't3RR1f1c' is 99.9148% lame, rbm
22:09:02 [k2pts]
rbm: I asked you for an explanation and you give five unknown words :)
22:09:13 [denshi]
paje: nickometer l33t
22:09:13 [paje]
'l33t' is 91.69% lame, denshi
22:09:26 [denshi]
you'd think that would be an instant 100% winner.
22:10:02 [rbm]
k2pts: :) Sorry. I just think it's kind of fun. The "2" in your nick is what's giving your nick the 22% lame status
22:10:20 [rbm]
paje: nickometer 1337
22:10:20 [paje]
'1337' is 95.01% lame, rbm
22:10:55 [talilee]
paje: nickometer hermandelgadofunkelberger
22:10:55 [paje]
'hermandelgadofunkelberger' is 0% lame, talilee
22:10:58 [talilee]
booya
22:11:21 [rbm]
paje: seen vinod?
22:11:21 [paje]
vinod was last seen on #openacs 1 hours, 29 minutes and 47 seconds ago, saying: hails [Fri Feb 22 13:43:29 2002]
22:11:39 [k2pts]
paje: seen k2pts?
22:11:39 [paje]
k2pts was last seen on #openacs 0 seconds ago, saying: paje: seen k2pts? [Fri Feb 22 15:13:34 2002]
22:12:45 [hazmat]
paje: excuse
22:12:46 [paje]
hazmat: Bad cafeteria food landed all the sysadmins in the hospital.
22:15:05 [rbm]
paje: k2pts?
22:15:05 [paje]
no idea, rbm
22:15:20 [rbm]
k2pts: Give your description for paje
22:15:25 [rbm]
paje: karma for k2pts
22:15:26 [paje]
k2pts has neutral karma
22:15:29 [k2pts]
how can I do that
22:15:32 [rbm]
paje: k2pts++
22:15:50 [rbm]
k2pts: Say "paje: k2pts is blah blah blah"
22:16:44 [k2pts]
paje: k2pts is blah blah blah blah :)
22:16:44 [paje]
OK, k2pts.
22:16:50 [k2pts]
paje: k2pts?
22:16:50 [paje]
i guess k2pts is blah blah blah blah :)
22:16:55 [k2pts]
:)
22:16:56 [rbm]
*lol*
22:17:46 [k2pts]
paje: rbm?
22:17:46 [paje]
somebody said rbm was a brainless wonder or my master
22:17:46 [hazmat]
paje: hazmat is someone who drinks often from the river lethe
22:17:47 [paje]
bugger all, i dunno, hazmat
22:18:22 [hazmat]
sigh... bots are way too complicated for me apparently.
22:19:22 [rbm]
hazmat: ??
22:19:29 [rbm]
paje: hazmat is someone who drinks often from the river lethe
22:19:29 [paje]
bugger all, i dunno, rbm
22:19:33 [rbm]
funny
22:19:41 [rbm]
paje: forget hazmat
22:19:41 [paje]
rbm, I didn't have anything matching hazmat
22:19:44 [rbm]
paje: hazmat is someone who drinks often from the river lethe
22:19:44 [paje]
no idea, rbm
22:19:50 [rbm]
paje, hazmat is someone who drinks often from the river lethe
22:19:50 [paje]
rbm: i don't know
22:20:00 [rbm]
* rbm scratches head
22:20:15 [hazmat]
i think paje has been drinking from there as well.
22:24:58 [rbm]
paje: hazmat?
22:24:58 [paje]
hazmat is somebody that drinks from often from the river lethe
22:25:03 [rbm]
oops
22:25:18 [rbm]
okay, fixed that
22:25:36 [k2pts]
paje: seen k2pts?
22:25:36 [paje]
k2pts was last seen on #openacs 0 seconds ago, saying: paje: seen k2pts? [Fri Feb 22 15:27:31 2002]
22:25:39 [hazmat]
thx
22:25:53 [rbm]
apparently somebody had made as entry "who" that was confusing him.
22:25:59 [rbm]
s/as/an/
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22:26:32 [k2pts]
later guys
22:26:35 [k2pts]
paje: bye bye
22:26:36 [paje]
k2pts: sorry...
22:26:41 [k2pts]
you should be
22:27:11 [k2pts]
later guys :)
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22:49:39 [jim]
rbm: "who" is a question word... paje will think it's a question instead, so you can \who
22:49:48 [jim]
"who"?
22:49:55 [jim]
who?
22:50:32 [jim]
davb: ayh?
22:56:31 [jim]
oh, hmm, guess not...
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23:11:10 [jim]
davb: in case you're listening or reading the logs, changing line 28 of packages/wp-slim/www/serve-slide-revision-oracle.xql to read " from cr_items i, cr_wp_image_attachments a" fixed the problem... I can now view revisions of slides
23:13:21 [jim]
uhoh
23:13:24 [jim]
another problem
23:13:39 [jim]
this one is probably not related to the db
23:14:25 [jim]
* jim eliminates some doubt by hammering the server
23:18:44 [jim]
separate problem....
23:19:04 [bakataro]
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23:19:18 [jim]
the package is not differentiating between presentations belonging to particular instances
23:20:05 [denshi]
rolf, is that 'stupid root vegtable'?
23:20:05 [jim]
yes, you have the context ID of a presentation pointing at a wimpy package instance...
23:20:45 [bakataro]
no, taro is a generic male suffix that implies you are a samauri
23:21:45 [jim]
but the queries that get list of presentations evidently don't filter out presentations belonging to other instances
23:22:51 [bakataro]
well. taro might also mean root vegetable.
23:22:58 [bakataro]
i don't know that much japanese.
23:23:03 [bakataro]
hence, the nick. ;-)
23:23:35 [denshi]
i'm going to call you 'bakadono'.
23:25:26 [denshi]
denshi is now known as rzolf-no-ookii-chinpoko
23:26:51 [rzolf-no-ookii-chinpoko]
man, these Qt dev libs are monsterously large.
23:26:52 [bakataro]
hey now.
23:29:54 [rzolf-no-ookii-chinpoko]
I'm just going on what's been said on the fuckedcompany board.
23:31:05 [rzolf-no-ookii-chinpoko]
ookii nai, semai n desu?
23:31:11 [rzolf-no-ookii-chinpoko]
rzolf-no-ookii-chinpoko is now known as denshi
23:31:16 [denshi]
better.
23:31:38 [denshi]
bakadono, how did you escape from docwolf's lair?
23:33:53 [bakataro]
hm
23:34:13 [bakataro]
no-komento regarding ookii/semai chinpoko
23:36:24 [denshi]
haha
23:36:51 [denshi]
you were not so bashful when detailing your how your nefarious deeds brought down aD.
23:37:34 [bakataro]
everyone knew about my cheese habit.
23:37:45 [bakataro]
and how it played a huge role in aD's demise
23:39:03 [jim]
this I gotta hear...
23:39:13 [jim]
what was your cheese habit?
23:39:33 [denshi]
you might want to wait for the movie.
23:39:46 [jim]
too much to read? :)
23:39:48 [bakataro]
the founders all had at least a brick a day cheese habit.
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